Bigfoot Society - West Virginia Bigfoot and Sasquatch in Land Between the Lakes, Kentucky | BFRO Bigfoot Researcher | Larry Sidwell

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

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Very good. How are you? I'm doing great. Having a great central Iowa day, nice and windy. but the sun's out. I'm loving it. How's it over there in West Virginia? It's warm, sunny, and windy also. Gotta love it. Trees are just now starting into peak around here, so it's really nice.

So I'm having you on today, Larry, because I got this crazy idea that it would be cool to chat with a few BFRO investigators. So I did some dig in through the reports on BFRO.net. And the cool thing about that website is, you know, it tells who the investigator was that was involved with the case. And so reached out to a few. You were nice enough to agree to coming on the podcast. And this is your first time chatting on a podcast, right? Yes, it is. I'm excited.

That's awesome. The other cool thing about the BFRO is that they have a little write-up about the investigator. And, man, you have, I'm seeing you've gone, I would say at least 25 expeditions over the years going back through 2012. It's pretty impressive. Oh, thank you. And I've got a few more. I've got to add on. We just did a Pleasant Hill Lake thing with Bad Moneymaker.

in Ohio. Oh, yeah. We're grown, drone flight. And I just got back from the Kentucky Bigfoot, the KBRO's expedition. And so when I leave two weeks, we're going to East Tennessee. Lori Wade has an expedition in East Tennessee. She always does two or three a year. So got more to do.

Wow, that's amazing. You are getting all over the place. I love that. I just actually talked to a gentleman from East Tennessee. He had some pretty wild stories. He had some folklore tales. And he was talking about, you know, some sightings his family had over the years of, you know, a Bigfoot type creatures. And it just seems like that eastern Tennessee area, there's some wild stuff up in that hills for sure.

Yeah, I'm anxious to get down there. I've been in North Georgia and Western North Carolina, but I've not done the eastern Tennessee yet. So this would be interesting to be in the, I guess it's a Cherokee National Forests where it's going to be. Okay, okay. Larry, let's start with the beginning. What was it that first got you into the big footing thing? What was it that first got your interest? Well, I did when I was growing up, I saw the old Patterson Gimlin film in my hometown theater on one Saturday afternoon.

and I saw it and I was a believer at that point, but then I kind of, you know, over the years ago, you're working, going through school, and everything kind of got away from it. Then I saw the BFRO's website and saw that they had an expedition coming up in Kentucky, and I signed up for that one, and it had to be postponed for some reason I can't remember then,

and I ended up transferring to the West Virginia expedition. And that was in 2012 and went. And we had tons of activity on that expedition. The first night we were out on the trail, I was the guy with the guy named Tyler Bounds, who was, who is a big northwest. Yep. North Western.

I don't know if you know. I've heard the name. Yes. Yeah. He was our leader. One group, we had a home run knock that first night. And I was sold at that point. I mean, there was no way it was anything other than something hitting it.

I mean, it was like a biggest four by four in the woods hitting a big oak tree. Wow. And then we went out and some other groups had a class A on a thermal. Unfortunately, it was the only thermal we had that didn't record. I wasn't with friends were. They watched this thing for about 10 or 15 minutes. It was tree peaking. and their usual, you know, checking us out kind of behavior.

Then the last night we came back and we did some call blasting with Managahela down in the, down this road where we were at down in the off the Blackwater River. And that's where our campsite was. We just camp, some call blasting up. Nothing really happened. We went back to camp about 2.30. We all went to bed. And I lay, I could not go to sleep in the tent.

I was like my bones were aching. We'd hike so much. And a couple, I think it was at least two across the river behind my tent. My tent was close to the river, came up into our campsite and pushed on the top of my tent. I saw the hand really. Really? Yes. This was probably at 3.30.30 in the morning.

Everybody else was asleep and snoring. I think I was probably the only person to wake in camp. And they messed around their camp. camp for a while picking up things, moving, rubbing on stuff. And I was scared to death. I mean, I was just literally terrified. And to the point where I picked up my key fob, my truck was right up the hill from me and was ready to hit the emergency alarm if it got crazy.

But they moved on. The big puts did. There were some chatter, weird chatter going on, some grunts. And the next morning I got some talk to the other people there. there was three other campers there, three other tent sites, I should say. And we ended up going down to the river and found a partial print down where they crossed the river in the side of the bank. And so that was exciting. It was the 2012 West Virginia expedition.

That was my first. And at the time I was living in the Outer Banks, North Carolina, so it was hard for me to get back and forth. You know, it was a long haul. So I ended up going on a couple of. of expeditions a year there. And we went back to the same area in 2013. We had some activity that year that wasn't as much. And, you know, some of these expeditions, you'll have tons of activity and others. You won't have hardly any. It's just, you know, sometimes they don't want to play. So your first, that's incredible, your first Bigfoot expedition in 2012, you had a Bigfoot

come to your tent and press down on the tent. That's just, that's some crazy wild style. I don't know how it can get much better than that. I wouldn't have been able to get back to sleep myself. I didn't go back to sleep until the mother nature was calling and I was too scared to even go outside. It was scary. And the next morning, finally we had some daylight and everybody else got us and I told them what happen and they were like we've been feared things across the river from us a couple of brown

figures that we couldn't really you know pinpoint what they were and this was days before any of us had i didn't have a thermal imager none of the group i was with had a thermal imager sure if that's stuff just going on across uh one of the guys up the river something that got into his tent messing around we didn't know somebody or whatever so he ended up moving his entire tent down to our area and stay in there. And the sad part is that area where we're camping and they no longer allow camping. It's in the Little Banagahela Wildlife Reserve. Okay.

I guess they had lots of people doing, you know, things they shouldn't do down in there. So they stopped camping along the river there, but it's an awesome place. Wow. That sounds incredible. You know, I've talked to a few gentlemen from West Virginia. I've talked to, you know, people like Joe Purdue, Dr. Russ Jones. It just sounds like the area, like people don't realize how crazy for Bigfoot the West Virginia area is. Even to the extent, like it's almost, you know, as crazy as the Pacific Northwest.

Do you have any thoughts regarding that? Oh, yeah. It's really taken off around here. I mean, you just go around some of the areas down around Marlinton and area and talk to people and little most of them are pretty open about it they'll uh they'll uh they'll tell you know that they've had these encounters numerous years through their family from their grandfathers and uh and talking about you know the wild man of the woods or whatever you know what they call them or whatever and uh they sutton is now doing a uh a bigfoot festival uh in june and it's a second

year this year and uh it's a second year and uh it's amazing how it's grown and we were the first year we were on like a question answer panel me and a couple other big good guys here Charles Kimbrough from Virginia and Greg Langdon. And we were on stage for almost two hours. It was supposed to be like an hour of thing when these people were just asking questions and they really minded about it. And so yeah, Russ Jones and Darren Pavarnock were the leaders of the first expedition, first and second expedition in West Virginia, I went on. Okay.

Russ is a great guy. He is. It really seems like he is, yeah. Let's, just so I don't forget it, you mentioned that you were able to go out to Ohio to do some work with Matt Moneymakers. Is there anything that you can share from how that experience went? Okay, yeah, it was at Pleasant Hill Lake Park, the Muskingham, I can pronounce that right, watershed district. and they had a sighting in their primitive campground a year before. So Louis Andre is the, he's in charge of the naturalist, and he does special events for the park,

decided to set up a thing. And he and Suzanne Farincheck got together and they kind of got this thing together. We get volunteers. There's 12 volunteers. We went out. And what happened was we decided to do. who BAM wanted to do. This is like a project he'd been wanted to do for a long time using a thermal drone.

And so a guy named Robert Evans, he lives in St. Augustine, Florida. He has some really nice drone equipment. And they got it all together, got him up here. We all were over there the first of September. And we were there a week getting up with. There was a lot of planning involved. And it was a whole festival. I mean, it was with a family and everything.

They had a VFP dinner on Friday night. And during the VFP dinner, we were able to fly the drone and in real time transmit the drone images back to a big screen TV. Wow. So the participants in the VFP dinner, and Matt narrated, and I was the radio man between Matt and Robert Evans, who was flying the drone, the drone pilot. And we were able to, you know, we didn't see any big foot. but we, you know, a lot of deer and stuff there, people were able to see the technology. Unfortunately, at that time of year, the, the, the, the, uh, the tree canopy layer was kind of hard to get down here. You could see down in some mirrors.

We had to go long-inch woods. And, uh, it's a, it was really a great thing. I mean, the technology, this, uh, the thermal imager was, was 640 resolution. I mean, he could bring it in, bring it out. And we flew it. We flew five missions each night. We had five batteries. So we flew each five missions the first night.

The second night, they had a town hall down at the park. And a big screen set up there. And the end of it after the, after the town hall meeting where people, you know, were discussing their sightings in the area and all this. It's mainly in the Mohican Forest,

Mohican State Park area. Okay. Yeah, this borders, that there's a lake between the park and the Pleasant Hill Lake Park, between Mohican Park. And so the people were, they did, they talked about their sightings, like in a town hall, like they did on finding Bigfoot. And so we flew it again that night. I mean, things were a lot smoother the second night. We'd had some internet issues the first night, and we worked all that out.

But the second night, we were able to, it was flawless. We did so much more stuff. had a lot more gear. We actually had two bucks fighting. Oh, cool. And, yeah, it came out really nice. And it looks like we're going to do it again next year, the first weekend of October. We're going to repeat it.

Matt Moneymaker will be coming back there. And it was a pleasure to get to work with Matt for a week and get to really know him. And he is so passionate about the research. That is fascinating. It sounds like there's, you know, there's probably some plans in order to to fine tune that in the future. I just, just, you know, you can have an audience seeing live a, you know, looking for a big foot. That just, that blows my mind. I mean, that, that makes for a very cool future to do with big footing.

Or you could have multiple people watching and, you know, more people are going to notice things, you know, logically than, you know, just one person looking at the footage. And like, that's, it could get really, really cool. Yeah, they were able to tell us where things were because we're looking at a, oh, wow. TV, a phone-sized screen and or laptop. And we're not able to see the full projection. And they were telling us to go right, go left.

And so we'd have the drone go right, left, you know, and it was, it was really, it was really amazing. That is awesome. Yeah. Matt has some very interesting forward-thinking ideas when it comes to utilizing technology and Bigfoot research. And hopefully someday I'll be able to chat with him if you're listening, Matt. Hey, the offer is always open. Well, let's talk some more about your expeditions over the years, Larry.

You know, that first expedition, you had some really crazy things happen. You know, was it a thing where, you know, did things get even more wild over the years at different expeditions? Or was that 2012 kind of the epitome of how wild things got for you? This is Matt Rogers from Las Culture East us with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Colteristers with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands. you can keep or switch every 30 days, so you can choose the ones that match your everyday spending.

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Plus, I had a Class A siting in Lamb's. between the lakes in 2019. Oh, I'd be interested in that. Charlie Raymond had a big BFRO expedition and land between the lakes. And I was actually able to get a catch one, or not catch one, but get to watch one for very few seconds. But it was definitely a big thought. And it took a long time to get that Class A. So listeners may know that, you know, land between the lakes usually comes up when, you know, people are talking about dog man.

But there's also Bigfoot reported in that area in Kentucky, correct? Larry? Absolutely, yeah. We were only, you know, it's the land between Kentucky and Berkeley Lake. Sure. It's forested area. It's protected area. And, yeah, there's a lot of dog ban. There was the alleged monster that killed the people that no one seems to find a lot of evidence about now.

But it was rumors that went around. But we went there two years, and the first year we had a little bit of the activity. The second year, we had quite a bit of activity with Knox and a lot of knocks in that area. And then the night I saw, we had split the group up. There was the intersection of two Forest Roads, Forest Service Roads. Forest Service roads and we decided myself and other guy

stayed at the crossroads of the roads and then we split up in four different groups one went north, southeast and west and went down and then we had time we were going to do time knocks

between the four one at 50 every 15 minutes a group was going to do knocks after the second group we had knocks right across the road from us I mean me and the other gentleman or they were close.

So I got up walking over to the road and the main intersection and was thirming down where the knocks were coming at. And I have to look down the road going to the south and we had two girls down there. They were down about 150, 200 yards down the road. And I noticed they turned on their white light, which kind of spooked me.

I was open. There was a lot of activity going on. We were all, we had the hair on their necks, you know, that, that syndrome kind of coming up, our kicking in. It just, it was just, there was a lot of activity going on. And they turned their white lights when they did. It illuminated at the road, and the big foot crossed the road, about halfway between me and them, went across the road.

And it was just, it was a huge and fast. And it was, I was just very lucky that they had it illuminated. with white light, right? It had actually shown and it came through there. And it was pretty, pretty amazing. We reenacted it a couple of times. Okay. I think Charlie has my interview on his YouTube with the Kentucky Bigfoot Research. Oh, awesome. Yeah, very good. I'll have to definitely check that out. So you saw the Bigfoot cross the road illuminated by white light, correct? By white light, yes. So, you know, you know, thinking back to that time, were you able to, you know, see things pretty clear?

Did you actually, did you see anything about its face or what are some details maybe you remember about it? The, just the broadness of its shoulders, the length of its arms, the way it walked, it was hunched over. I won't say walk. It was moving pretty quick. It crossed a 25-foot area in about three steps. Wow. And extremely fast. I didn't see the facial details.

And, but it was no doubt my mind what I saw. That's the only thing it could have been. I mean, you know, it was just, yeah, this the size of it. And the quickness it moved and quiet. I think what happened when they turned on the white light, it had been kind of probably in that area where we heard the knocks, it came out of that area. It came across.

I think we spooked it when the white lights turned on. They were actually illuminating the ground. They found what they thought was the track there and we're looking at it with the white light. They couldn't see it very good with their red lights that we use at night on heights. And so I was actually good glimpse of it, good look at it. That is incredible. Do you, you know, over the years when you're going on different expeditions, do you ever, find, you know, do you ever encounter anything that is weird, but definitely not Bigfoot?

Do you ever run across the past of any other could be cryptids or other weird things in the woods? Orbs. Really? Yes, we had a lot of orbs, especially in land between the lakes. We were actually watching one the night that we saw the Bigfoot. There was a red one up in the trees where we were watching, and people encountered them the entire. expedition down there. Both years, we had orbs.

That's about the only other thing I've really, we had actually an orb, go near this, a lot of cemeteries in the land between the lakes, old family plots and stuff. And had some one of the groups. A really good researcher was there, investigator, and had them saw them.

So it was, yeah, they were just a lot of orbs. We get them just about everywhere we go, it seems like. You had mentioned when you're talking about land between the lakes. I believe you said that it was the ledge monster. Is that correct? The what now? You had said that there were reports of some kind of monster beside the dog man. Yeah, well, they weren't sure it was a dog man or Bigfoot or whatever.

There was a group of campers killed. Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. Yep. That old legend, I think you've probably heard that one. The infamous legend, I believe, from the 1980s of the campground, it was almost pretty much a massacre in a way. Yeah, they said there were bodies and the trees and everything.

Not good. No, no. No one's able to find any evidence with the police department during things. Exactly. That's a tricky thing about that. And I know that that is opening up a can of worms with some. listeners and I may get some emails, which I welcome the Dogman community. It's very, very passionate, and they're doing some great research down there for sure. Are you still actively

going on Bigfoot expeditions, Larry? Oh, yes, yes, yes. I've got a couple more coming up, and actually, I'm going to be hosting a BFRO, West Virginia expedition next September, 14th, 17th. And I'll have it here. I can't give the location, but it'll be in a great spot. And that's open for registration now on BFRO.com. On our site, you can go in and talk. And then I'll, you know, we select people, people that want to do it. Then I'll interview them and see if they're, they're. Oh, wow. And we've already got a lot of presentation.

People signed up. We've got B-mills, Monarch. Agahela and Charles Kimbrough are going to be presenters at night. So it looks like we're getting it together. I'm getting a lot of inquiries already. I've already selected about six people. I didn't know that on an expedition. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

Yeah. As their calls, talks to you and make sure, you know, we're not getting people in that are going to hoax and do crazy, you know, do things that just aren't in the interest of the expedition. I like that. You have to, they send their stuff into Caroline Curtis, the secretary of the BFRO, and then she gets it back out to the organizer, and then we make a phone call. And a lot of the repeaters, we don't call back our people at repeaters. It's the newbies I usually call up and, you know, really want to make sure that they know what they're getting into. And there is a charge involved. I mean, we have to get insurance and permit.

Exactly. So we try to keep it as reasonable as we can. But we have expenses, you know, for scouting, scouting trips and everything. In the last few minutes that we have, Larry, I've got one more question for you. You know, you've gone on so many different expeditions. And, you know, pretend you're speaking to someone, maybe a listener who, you know, wants to go look for Bigfoot, have their first expedition. How do they need to be prepared? what things would you recommend?

Well, there's so many different ways to approach it. You know, you can go in and come to you. You can hike, night hike and trail. I make sure you're in fairly good condition, which I need to get myself back in shape. They make a good tradition, make sure you're, you know, good shoes. I highly encourage people not to do it alone. Sure.

I always have some, you know, that's, you know, people get lost. and, you know, you can have, always have an audio recorder. Just have an open mind. Remember not everything it happens in the woods. Not every noise is a big foot. You know the different night sounds. You know what a bard owl sounds like. Know what a coyotes sounds like.

And coyotes have got so many different sounds they can make. You know, listen for knocks and howls and just, you know, like I say, Find a friend that's interested in it. Get it and, you know, it'll get, if you go out and start having activity and try to pick out an area that there's, it's active. You can go on the BFRO site and we break it down by state and county where you're at, you know, pick out an area that's near you and just going and hit some of the trails that most of the state parks and state forests are really, you know, open to it.

There seems to be activity just about every national. forest, especially in the East Coast, or we have activity in sightings. And, you know, you can start out with just a red headlamp and, you know, walkie-talkies and things. And, you know, you can get into where you'll get addicted. Then you'll end up buying $1,000. Right. And it's not.

Thank God, thermal limit. They've gotten cheaper over the last few years. So, and it's just real good affordable unit. I love the equipment. even if you don't see a bigfoot, it is still a really fun camping trip that you're getting out in nature, and we all could use a lot more of that. Yes, that's 99% of it. Just getting out in nature and meeting old friends.

That's a great thing on these expeditions. We only get together some of us two or three times a year, and we get together and talk about our stories and our research. and we try new things just to, you know, try to make it easier for us. The last expedition I was at in Kentucky this fall, we actually had activity right in base camp. Wow. During a presentation, Managa Hela was playing some audio. And we had box and whoops and eye shine right in base camp. No way.

During the presentation. That's incredible. I will tell the area because it's an active research area. Sure. But yeah, it's been crazy there. We were doing him at 11 o'clock in the morning one day. And he was doing his audio presentation, and we had whoops and knocks over the hill right behind us from where we were doing it. Oh, wow.

That is incredible. I mean, what an experience that must have been. She's... Larry, thank you so much for hanging out and sharing your experience with Bigfoot over the years. This has been very informational. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Before you go, I always like to give the guest a chance.

Is there any things that people can do to follow up with what you're. you're doing or would the best thing be to keep an eye on the BFRO website? What do you think? Just keep an eye on the BFRO website. I don't have a blog or anything. Sure. Keep up with the BFRO website. We've been kind of quiet in West Virginia lately with reports.

So I haven't had a lot to do, but they seem to come in big groups. So hopefully we'll be coming out there real soon. And you can keep up with, like I said, the BFRAG. FRO website and looking at the reports and just checking with the newest ones coming in. Fantastic. Well, thanks so much for coming on. Larry, have a good day. You too. Thank you. The views and opinions expressed are those of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bigfoot Society. Any content provided by our guests are not

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