Bigfoot Society - When Goliath Walked Right Up to Him! | Kentucky

Episode Date: November 2, 2025

What happens when a U.S. Army veteran follows a trail of massive footprints into a Kentucky river valley—and finds himself face-to-face with something not supposed to exist?In this gripping and deeply unsettling episode, we sit down with Tom Shay, a seasoned Bigfoot researcher with 38 years in the field. From his first sighting in 1987 along the Ohio River near Carrollton, Kentucky, to being surrounded by violent, unseen creatures in the woods of Henry County, Tom recounts chilling encounters with “Goliath”—a 9.5-foot Sasquatch with matted red fur and a stare that paralyzes.You’ll hear stories from Fort Campbell, Milton and beyond —tales of perfect prints, pounding chests, and the night he thought he wouldn’t make it out alive. This is not just another campfire story. It’s one of the most detailed field reports ever shared on Bigfoot Society.If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to have a Sasquatch breathe down your neck—this is the episode for you.Tom's FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/488381544566776🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Tom Shea today. Tom is a Bigfoot researcher down there from the state of Kentucky.

He has been researching the subject for 38 years. currently has the largest collection of unique Bigfoot casts east of the Mississippi River, all that have been casted by him specifically. And I do also know that his work has been validated by people such as Cliff Berrickman and the late Dr. Jeff Melodrome. I've seen some of his collection in person and they are incredible to see if you ever get the chance to see them in person. I would definitely recommend it. Tom, thank you so much for coming on the show today, sir. How are you? I'm fine, and I'm honored to be here.

Absolutely, sir. Whenever I talk to researchers on the show, I love to start out with what was it that first got you into the Bigfoot subject to begin with? I first got into it was my first sighting. Oh, okay. All right. So let's go right into it. In 1987, I was stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. I had some leave time occurred, and I decided to come home and see my parents, like a week here. I got here, I spent a couple of days. I had an ex-girlfriend that called me up.

As I heard you in town, can you come up and we'll go out and do something night and have some fun. If we go back, I said, sure. I'll be up for this afternoon, pick you up and stuff. I got cleaned up, and it started up the U.S. 36, Highway 36. And that's along the Ohio River from Milton, Kentucky,

to Carrollton, Kentucky. And right across the river is Indiana, Madison, Indiana. And a lot of people need to understand that in 1987, this small community around here closed up at 530. And there was

nobody on the roads at that time. So it's late in the afternoon. It's in October about like it is right now. And we was having some 80, 85 degree weather at that time. It was an unusually warm October. And so I'm driving on my way up to Carlton, Kentucky, and see McNeill. And I noticed this gentleman, I thought was a gentleman, up on the side of the road. It wasn't, I was kind of confused because this thing had a,

This person had a fur coat on. And I'm trying to figure out why this guy got fur coat on in 85 degrees out. So when I get it closed, I slow down, and I'm looking out the passenger window at it. And I'm really not knowing understanding what I'm seeing. This is a large, hairy person. After I pass, I sped up a little bit, turned around, come back, pulled off the side of the road, and actually got out of the car and followed it down into the field along the river there. accurate have crossed.

And the reason I did that is because I had to understand what I saw. I'm getting ground on it and stuff like it. And it turned around on me real quick. And it snarled or growled. And at that time, I knew it was time to go back to the car. I went back to my parents' house, told me the parents thought I'd been drinking. Mom, Dad, I just left the house. I said, I ain't been gone, maybe 10 minutes.

And so I went back in my room and then, and I sat down, and I'm trying to figure my things out. And my dad comes in and says, you're going up there to see a girlfriend? I said, Dad, I ain't going nowhere. I said, I'm just a little too shook up right now. And he's okay. I left it at that. My parents didn't believe in things like that. And I really didn't eat growing up.

But after that, I went back to the Fort Campbell. And all that time, I started digesting everything about. the Bigfoot phenomena, reaching out to other researchers and reading books and trying to get anything I can. And one of the biggest things was at that time

researchers would not share or want to talk or discuss anything to anybody else. It was all so cryptic, secretive. Everybody was afraid to take their line life away. When I started researching, I decided, you know

what, I'm going to start everything I find out I'm going to share with everybody I don't care and ever since then that's what I've been doing is sharing information anything now I don't know it all I'm not an expert but I am I am a seasoned researcher that's one of the biggest things that I have right today I like to help other researchers get started Tom, that's great. What a way to start things off for you, seeing what you saw that October by the Ohio River. My goodness, how tall was what you saw? To be totally honest, I really couldn't be honest with you about it.

I just know that it was huge, honestly. I had a lot of things going on in my mind at this time trying to figure things out. and I just know it was huge. It was wider than I was in the shoulder. And I remember, and I do remember, because I'm telling this story, and everything is coming back, and I can see the smells and everything for that day. I remember I was half to look up at it in the face. Gotcha.

Listeners will know, just in case someone's not following, map of sighting encounters that I have on Bigfoot Society Podcast.com. I want to point out that this area that you're talking about is just across the river from southern Indiana that has really come up on the show quite a bit. If you've heard the episode about Floyd Knobbs, Austin Bottoms, that's the area of Indiana, but across the river a little bit to the west of where Carrollton is, it looks like. it's a little bit further southwest. But Tom, after you had this encounter and then you start looking and researching into things,

so was that the thing that pushed you over 100% into, okay, now I'm going to start going out there all the time? Or were you still at the point where you're like, you know what? I'm not quite sure that I want to go out there and start looking all the time into this yet. At that time where I needed to know what I was, I looked at what I saw. There was a blank spot there. I saw something that shouldn't be there. Growing up, you're taught with evolution and stuff. We're only humans here.

There's nothing else on here. You've got your cows, your beer and stuff like that. There's not another type of a humanoid creature around here. So from my own state of mind, I had to find out what I saw, what I had witnessed. So you start going out on this. really a quest, figure out what it is that you saw. You were talking to other people, you were reading books, but then did you also start to go into these areas to start to see if you could find this creature again? Yes. Yeah, well, I was in the service. When I had a lot of time,

I could get a week off on leave or something like that. I would hop a military flight, go out to Washington State, California, Oregon. Oklahoma a couple times. Arkansas. Did some stuff in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan. It's a really good workup in Michigan around Grayland. There's some stuff in Georgia.

But it wasn't long-term stuff. I was there like three or four days and got to feel the place and everything. That's interesting. Did you have any things that happen? to you in that section of the Pacific Northwest, like your Washington, Oregon, Northern California. Did anything happen to you when you would go out there? I had some things that happened, but I couldn't say for sure that it was Bigfoot related

because I didn't see it, and I couldn't explain what happened. I heard sounds and stuff like that. Just because you hear something in the woods doesn't mean it's a big foot. Absolutely. So you mentioned this Grayland, Michigan area. What was it that happened up there specifically? I really don't want to talk about that right now until I talk to the people I was with. Sure.

I promised them I wouldn't say too much about it. But I have been working up in that area. If there's a military installation up there, a proving ground light training area, up around that area there. Yeah, we can definitely, we'll put it to the side, no problem at all. So, Tom, you're traveling around the U.S. It sounds like you're checking out the specific areas that you know are good. You're having things that might be considered encounters,

but you're not having maybe visuals like out in the Pacific Northwest. Was there a time then where you finally broke through and you're like, oh, I was able to have another sighting or have something happened within a shadow of a doubt? Okay, I'm here experiencing this creature again. When I got out of the service, the traveling thing stopped. I focused my research locally. I went to the sheriff's department. I went to the library, actually historians in your town.

If you have a historical society, you can look up. Like here in my county, in 1962, there was an outbreak of a Bigfoot-type creature that was terrorizing the county. they call it the thing or the Bedford Beechs it looked in windows it harassed people it took hogs it killed a calf

livestock it got so bad that the sheriff formed a posse a hunting posse and the state police joined in there was a hunting group out of Louisville

TV stations it hit the AP this happened for about 30 days and then after the big hunt they had it cornered back here and we have what you call the limestone caves along the river back here, one part of the hills.

Oh, it up in there, but they didn't find it. And right after all that happened, it died down. And then periodically over the years, more people had seen things have happened here. And it made me want to, maybe I just stay in my own little county here since we had all this stuff going on. Maybe find out if there's anything else going on. here in this county. I established myself here and a lot of people know who I am and what I do. And if they have an encounter, they will contact me or if they know somebody who mentions

something about an odd thing happening, I was going to go talk to that man, Tom Shea, he lives blah, blah, blah, blah. And I get people here all the time talking to me. So I had a homeowner that I saw a bear and it was right next to my farm right across the road from my farm and I was kind of go back in and look around and look there, go ahead.

So I went back in and looked around and I was right by four wheeler and going along the access road. Now this was like in 2014 and I come across these fresh cracks that had crossed over this access road and then they were perfect. And like

you said you saw on the hoarder these were perfect prints and I'm excited and I'm sitting down there and I'm and I'm a guy that likes to sit down and note everything about everything that's going on because you've got to do that you got to note everything surrounding the vegetation the temperatures the airspeed what type of terrain substrate and I'll get about that here a little bit

but anyway I'm down here and I'm checking these tracks out and I'm measuring I'm documenting and I get ready to start casting and I carry a handgun. I always do out in the woods. Not because I'm afraid of a big footer name like that. I've actually walked up on homeless people in the woods. You just don't know what you're going to come up against in the woods. Other people, that's the one thing.

And most of you know that if you've got something on your belt and everything, you're trying to cast, it gets in your way all the time. So I took it off and put it on a four-wheeler. It's 30 yards away, or 30 feet, maybe 30 feet. I'm down here on my knees, and I'm getting ready to pour this casting material, and I got a whip or something. Oh, Lord, this stinks, man. It's like some of those septic tanks.

And I have to look up, and this thing had still been in the area and had come back. And it was on the other side of my four-wheeler looking at me. and I sat there and looked at it, why it looked at me, and it appeared like it was hours, but it was only seconds. And I tried to figure out what am I going to do. Am I going to make a dash where my four with him

and get my handgun or just sat here? And I decided I just want to sit there and watch it because I figured there's no way I make it in time. But like I said, it was just seconds, but it seemed like an eternity. it lost interest in me sniffed the air

looked up the air sniffed grunted and started off down the ridge and I have a habit of just scrolling phones in the field and my wife got me on a cell phone a flip phone cheapy and at this time here I took the phone out and hit video

and I'm actually walking behind it videotaping it and I'm not paying attention my focus is on it but I have to phone up and I'm recording so after it went over the ridge and disappeared

I jumped on my hallway I left everything I got up on my four of it and went back to the home went in the house and my wife knew I had I was excited because you got something on your phone

done you I said yeah and I downloaded it on the computer so I can watch it and as soon as it came up my wife says that was the best share I am with Matros. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang.

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Now, tell people this part, and it's funny, it wasn't funny then. I had big alligator kids. my eyes. But I tell people this because in the heat of the moment, things happen. You don't think. And I wasn't thinking. I tell other researchers this because

they can learn from my mistake. Maybe they'll get the photo or the video. They'll calm down a little bit. There's been other occasions where me and my team have seen them. And we sat there and went watch them for a couple minutes. And the next thing is nobody decided to take out a phone.

Why? Because we're too immersed in looking at what we're seeing. That's it. Wow, Tom. That's, yeah, I cannot imagine going through that. How far away was it from you when you were filming it? It was a little bit further away for me. It wasn't as close as it was bottom four with her.

I got some distance. Gotcha. I would say about 80 feet, any foot. That's still all right. How big were the tracks that was leaving? 18 and a half inches. And these are the ones we call Goliath. He was seen a couple other times in that same area.

Actually, on my farm at the pond, there's a big footprint. Two big footprints that we got in by the bank and a big handprint. And what we think was it stopped there at the pond, it squatted, put one hand down and it was drinking from the pond. And I cast it one of the prints and one of the hands. So how big a cross, remind me, because I know I've seen these, but it's been a few years, how big a cross is your hand cast of Goliath? It's really huge, but you've got to understand something.

there was a lot of exaggeration because the silk that it put its hand down it was the damage, the weight dispersed out and made it look like it was a giant, but it really ain't. It really ain't that big. The hand is really not that big.

It's just the damage you did when it's silk, and it was the weight dispersal with the substrate. It was way bigger in my hand. If you open both hands up and put your thumbs overlapping, each other. That's about how wide it is. Okay. That makes sense. Maybe 12 inches. I'm just, I'm off the top of my head. I'm

saying that I'm not really sure because it's not in front of me. Yeah, absolutely. Look here with all my notations in it. I could look it up, but I don't have it here looking right the moment. How tall is Glyath? Nine and a half foot. And how we did that was I had a friend that was a researcher too, and it worked with me. We went back after that, that next day. And I was down where I was casting at, and he went over to where it was at, and we used a yardstick and lifted up high.

And we got an estimate of 9.5 foot that way. Wow. It was standing, and where I was there on my knee, is casting that print. And I could tell when I looked and I could tell where the head touched the branch behind it. That's how I used as a reference.

So that's how we got the reference point on that. Being able to just look at it for a short bit of time, but you just, you said you looked at it and you're just taking it in. Do you remember any details from

the face when you were able to just look at it? Yes, I actually sketched a face. It wasn't a monkey like, it wasn't a gorilla like. It was more manlike. They had a nose, a pose, a flat, flat nose, not real flat. And I'll actually, I'll tell you what. I actually, when I sketched it, the picture right after I saw it.

Because I had it fresh in my mind, and I sketched it. Cliff has it in this museum, the original. hanging in the museum of the sketch of Goliath. I actually have seen that. I was just there out in July, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, that's awesome. What kind of head shape did it have from what you remember?

It really didn't have that much of a cone, but it was a large head, large cheekbones, had a really nice brow. Have you seen these things like the pictures of Niantzianzis like that with a lot of hair? and the one thing about this one here about Goliath is he's reddish and brown and as you everybody ever sees the picture of Patty with black short really nice coat of hair Goliath didn't have it he had matted hair had debris in the hair and stuff like that I could tell

that it wasn't chipped up there's like something that would live in the woods what kind of let's say what kind of muscular structure Was Glythe, is he a very muscular individual, or sometimes you have big foot sightings, and they're more lean and not entirely muscular? He's pretty stout. He had a chest that would put two men in it, two big men, shoulder-wise. It was wide shoulders. It was muscular. It wasn't a superhero type stuff you look at, but you could tell it was muscular. Did you notice anything about its hands or arms at all? No. I'm mostly focused on the face. The one thing about growing up in a farm, when you have cattle and stuff like that, like bulls, when they get ready to charge you, they'll close their eyes. And same way with humans, when they get ready to lunge, they'll blink real bit right before they do anything. So I was watching the eyes in the face. I wonder if it was going to charge me or what. So did it have any emotion in its face while you were watching it?

Not really, no. No. And the eyes, you mentioned you were looking at the eyes, were they eyes where they were all one color, or did they have whites around the edges? They were dark. They were dark. It looked soulless, but that could be caused the shadow that was there or whatever, the lighting. We had... So you mentioned that this individual has also been seen multiple times around the same area?

Yes, yes. I have multiple castings at different times of Goliath. And how we do that is the clip and late Dr. Milder taught me this little trick is that the big toe. You can always tell the big toe of each individual. The big toe will tell the story. Nobody has the same type toe structure. So Goliath has this arrowhead type toe, big toe. So that's how we figure out that's Goliath.

The ninautorsal break has its same push off and stuff, flexibility. That's really interesting. Have the footprints changed in any ways over the years, or have they been pretty consistent the way it looks? They have changed. Of course, prints are going to change. any way when you cast them. They're going to be up here bigger or smaller or narrower.

It all depends on the substrate and how wet and how old they are because in the wintertime, they freeze, they expand and then shrink and it's a freezing effect. And in the summertime, from drying out and getting wet, they'll do the same thing. You'll have different things. But that's the way you have to take notes and note everything in your footprint when you cast it. Then after you cast it, then you go over your cast and they're like that and studied more in detail.

Now, we do have some juveniles that it's in the area. And I have one footprint of it about six, seven years ago. And then another one, I think it was four years after that. It got a little larger and stuff as they grow. The same individual because the toe structure was the same. and I believe I just got another one here just recently. I think it is the same individual. I haven't cleaned the cast up yet.

I'm still letting it cure. And then I'll go from there. Can you share a little bit about what the other interactions have been like with Goliath? Have they been similar to your interaction or have different things happened? That one time it walked up on me. The other times people have seen it. And I think we actually saw it once more a couple years ago in a creek bed. It was just standing in the creek.

I got a video of that, but it's really hard to see because where we was and where it was, you can see it walk out, and it was just a little too far away. But other people had seen what I think is flying, being curious. moving through. I think he's just one of the biggest males here in the county. And mostly all the time they ever see this big one is he's alone. He's not with a group or anything like that. He's always solitary. That's a pattern I've heard before. Do you have any thoughts about why he is probably more a solitary individual than rather in a group, like a family group? I believe he's one of the, he's a alpha male.

My opinion is I believe the females are actually the ones that are more active or in family groups. And I just think that the males wander. That's my opinion. That's interesting. So active, like how in, let's say, like, the lion species, you have the female lions are, or the lionesses are more, they'll be out getting the food. being more active that way?

Yeah. I like that. That's cool. That's cool. Over 38 years is a very long time to have things happen. Has there ever been an experience or an encounter where you did not really feel comfortable with what was going on? And if you could have gotten out of there at the same minute, let's get out of here. We've been a couple, yeah.

you know let's just say that all these people walk around and say all my years I've never heard of anybody hurt anybody or anything like that they're not violent and there had been some violent tendencies

that we have witnessed I have witnessed I was in Henry County, Kentucky a gentleman called me up and said I think I got these giant monkeys living on my place and I said really

Yeah. And I said, can I come out and check it out? He goes, yeah, come on out. And I went out there. And most people say giant monkeys, I have to go out and I have to check the place out. There's been so many places I have gone that people have said they've seen something and it was just a shadow. Peridolia, seeing things in the woods that ain't there. I never found no prints. I never found no evidence and stuff like it. So I go out there and I check it out before I do a full. expedition. So we're back here on his land. We're back up on his far, way back in here. And so far, there's a little bit of sign, but I can't really be certain.

And it was starting to get late. I'll tell you what, I said, I'll bring my team out this weekend and we'll come out. On our way back, it started getting dark. And I'm going to be honest with you. We were surrounded by something. We couldn't see but we had stuff beating the ground,

screaming, beating their chest, throwing stuff at us. And we would move 100 yards to 200 yards, and then all of a sudden, boom, it all start over again, more stuff, throw it out of his chest beating, screaming, pounding the ground. And the only thing I had was one of these little flashlights.

I didn't have a big one or not yet. and you couldn't see them. They was far enough back into vegetation where we couldn't see nothing. And this kept happening all the time we was coming back to the house. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Rees with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Colteristers with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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We get back to his house and he looks at me and it's all stops there. There's a big security light there at the house and it stops. Nothing's going on now. And he looks at me because we want me to do us and go inside lock your door and don't come out until

in the morning. And I came home. I got my car, came home. And my wife was still up And she goes, What do you think? I said, I quit. I said, I'm not going back out.

First time in my life I have ever been so scared of something that I could not see or could not deal with. If I can see it and I know what it is, I can deal with it. I'm pretty, I might not survive.

I can have a pretty good chance. I didn't know what I was dealing with. We had the basic chest beating. We had pounding on the screaming, the streaming staff at us. I mean, and I did some little research after that.

It was like chimpanzees at war when something invades their territory. And that's assuming what it was. And there was a three-month period that I wouldn't go out. I told my team, I said, I quit. And it was John Gregory and Keith Laughton and Dusty Roof. And it actually rest of my team that got me back out in the field. And I'll tell you what, that first night in the field,

I was so uncomfortable because of what had happened at that thing. It spooked me. And so this day, I am not comfortable being out in the woods by myself since that happened. Now, if I have to, I will. If I'm looking for tracks or, but usually I take somebody with me. Did you ever go back to that same spot after you started back up again? I did and got ready to go back into it and back out. I'm not ashamed to tell you.

Yeah. I mean, that place bothered me. And I swear, any other research would go out and have something like that happen, I want to see how they react. Yeah, it brings up for me. It's really rough right now talking about it because it does mess with you. I appreciate you bringing that up. I know things like that are extremely hard to talk about.

I'd not experience that myself, but I can only imagine. that property owner had the property owner actually had visuals of anything on the property or was it a thing where it was unseen to that person as well? No, he saw monkeys. He saw actually he saw art monkeys. That was the reason why I went out there because he said large monkeys. But still, you go out there with the expectation that it's going to be nothing. When I go out on a site when somebody sees something, my first thing is tell me your

story and stuff like you. Okay, you can tell me your story. Okay, I want to listen to me and I'll take it. But in order for your story to have validation, I have to have some type of evidence. So that's why I have to go out and see if I can find a footprint. I can find anything. Yeah, that was actually, I was going to ask you that next is do you have a checklist for a place to pass before you can launch an actual full expedition into it? And so is the checklist. pretty much you have to find some piece of evidence or are there other things as well? We have to find some type of evidence. I've been to some properties.

I stepped out and walked maybe 30 yards into the woods. And I turned around and told you guys, I said, there's no sense. I said, it's going to be a wasted weekend here. There's nothing telling me that there's a big foot here. And we'd stake it out. We stayed at the weekend and nothing happened. and the homeowner, the property owner be sitting there with us. I don't know.

They usually come around about this time. And then there was other times. We were set up on a property and the homeowner will be sitting there with the property owner. Around the fire and stuff like that. And there would be this sound. You know that? That's it. That's the big foot.

And it would be a fox. That makes sense. Yeah, I'd say that's definitely a good rule to follow. It puts you in the areas where you're going to have. a much, much higher chance of having something legitimate happen. You are definitely known for casting tracks. Usually when people are mentioning Tom Shea, they're either talking about Goliath or they're talking about the tracks that you've cast.

Do you have any advice about how to cast a good track to people that might not be pretty good at it yet? Yeah, the best advice I can give you is if you want to learn how to really cast and all types of substrate, wet, snow, any of practice. And it's going to cost you some money, but practice. I go to Lowe's here or Minarets pick me up a 25-pound bag of plaster. I go out here, fill me up a piece of a six-foot by six-foot place, kill it up. out there and I go out and I walk in it or one day it's dry

go out there and the next day go out there put water it down a little good muddy walks through it so I can judge how much mix I got to use the ratio of the water for the substrate how wet it is and stuff

it takes time to learn this but when you learn it when you're out in the field you can actually look at the substrate and say okay I don't need all this water here. I just have to use 20% of it, not all of it. Because how wet it is.

Ask questions. Other researchers who actually cast. There's a good video on YouTube of a gentleman showing how to cast. It's a tracking video. They cast the prints and they show you how to cast.

He even tells you that sometimes it looks like pancake mix when you mix but there's other times that you're going to have to the mix is going to have to be a little thicker or a little thinner depending on the substrate

the type of print you get recently I've been practicing and casting in real thin fine footprints that you find you get that powdery stuff sometimes and something walks in

so I'm practicing with that right now. But yeah, that's it. Practice and practice. I'd say that's great advice. And also, I think this is with anything to be in the attitude where you never want to be in the attitude where's, okay, I made it. That's not a good place to be.

You're constantly practicing. You're constantly improving your craft. It sounds like that's where you are. And I would recommend people to be in that mindset with whatever they're doing. Is there a certain way that you, a certain type of thing you do where you are attempting to have interactions with Bigfoot that you find to be most successful. For example, some people are knocking on trees while some other people are, let's just put a chair down and let's sit in an area and see what happens. We don't run around at nighttime.

We don't beat on trees. We don't do calls or nothing like that. whoops. What we do is, no, I call my, not an organization, we call it a group

because each individual in the group has a searching skill that they got, audio, video, stuff like that. So when we got in the field, we got,

we don't sleep in tents because if you're in a tent and you've got activity going on, you're going to have to get up, fumbled with the zipper, try to get out, and by the time you're out,

you get in your gear, Everything's done. It's gone. We put up canopies. We put a couple out on the edge of the camp. We got like sentinels out there. We're like sentinoles. They already take turns at night. Everybody else is at camp. We're talking. Try to entice.

These things, they find us curious. They will come up to the edge of the camp. And that's why we got these guys out here in these chairs. Zero gravity chairs. We sleep in zero gravity chairs all the time. All our equipment is set right next to us. So if something happens, we can reach down, grab it, and we're filming. We got the audio going.

That's it. Because if you're trimmed out of a tent, you know, you're going to be on you. Your hands and knees crawling out. You're going to try to get, we won't be able to see 360 degrees. That's when we're under a canopy. And these things will come up. We had one, one time. I had a group out.

And my responsibility in the group is to keep everybody, make sure everybody's safe, make everybody's got water, doing okay, medical-wise, and like that, the guys I have out on the edge of camp and there's therming stuff like that, if anything happens,

they can call me. And I was up here checking my everybody by the fire and stuff like that. Just BS and like you do at a camp. Dusty out back here, and said, Tom, you come over here, and Nick. And I came along with him,

what's up, Dusty? And I got this thing that come up, this heat signature came up, and it stood up and it hasn't moved. But once you take a look at it, so I grabbed my thermal, and I'm throwing out there, I said, oh, yeah, I see it. And about that time, it moves. So it's belly, it went down in all fours, and it's belly crawling all the way up to us.

And it gets to a certain point where the creek is, and it's inside this creek up on by the bench. And we're watching it. And we sat there and watched it. it while it watched us for two and a half hours. Now I have affidavits from everybody that was there and watched it. They wrote up a thing and signed it. We all saw this and we all filmed it on our things.

One of my guys wanted to go down and actually get close to it. And I told them no. Well, there. This is what this is. We're going to watch. So for a two and a half hours, why it watched us and we watched it. And we're taking notes at this time here in video and audio.

And it disappears. And what happened was it sent down into that creek bed, and we lost it in that creek bed. The next day we got up, in a thermal, you can't judge distance. We were surprised to find out that this thing was only like three car links from us. That's how close it was. Three car links. So, yeah, we just set. We don't do the cause.

We don't do that. We do not do nothing in parks, state parks, or national forages. The simple fact is, I tell my crew is they're contaminated. Because, like, Mammoth Cave, we got researchers in Mammoth Cave at one end and the other end. I believe you got all these researchers in there and you've got them over a beating on trees. We're making whooping calls and stuff like that, and you're picking this up. you don't know if it's an actual foot or one of these research people. So we do it on private property.

Nobody knows we go into this property. Nobody knows where we're at. And most places we go at, it's so we have to use side-by-sides to get back in there. And there's no electricity. It's all primitive. There's nothing. And if anybody is back there trying to screw with us at night when it's dark,

they're not using a flashlight, then they got x-ray vision. They can see at night infrared vision. Yeah. Wow, Tom. I was not expecting to hear that. That's zero gravity chairs, no tent. It's super gutsy, dude. So you have, I'm guessing, some kind of canopy over the chairs, though, when you're

sleeping in them? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Always sometimes, there's always two people on watch. everybody else can get some rest and stuff we've got two people

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All this is done. It's all. You can't say I saw this. to somebody and not have the evidence. I can go out here and tell you all day long. I saw one up, we're on the hill today. Did you go up and check for footprints? No, because I know they're there.

I look at that there. Okay, you're just telling me you saw something up there. But you didn't go up there to check and make sure it was something. I asked them, was like, where you're afraid to? No, I just know they're here. Okay, show me some evidence. I'm sorry. In the last 38 years, I've dealt with some really strange people.

And I think everybody's citing seriously, even though I find some out-laversely stories, there's some really wild stories. But I've documented because you never know. Things down the road might happen again is from somebody else. But here's one. I heard this witness was telling me that, They saw this thing come out in a field, had a flying saucer come down.

And this alien came out and this bigfoot came out. And they come up close to each other. They did a chest bump and a high five and walked off in the woods together. Now, this was a witness telling me this. You can figure out what you thought about that story. Gotcha. That's a pretty intense one. That kind of reminds me more like Southwest Pennsylvania.

stuff, to be honest. I do want to circle back to it at the end of our chat here because I think it could be really helpful for a lot of people. And it's that kind of figure out the stuff that's in your own area. And it reminds me of something that Lyle Blackburn told me during, I interviewed him a few years ago, pretty much you need to make sure you're the expert for the weird stuff in your area. And it really makes sense. because there's a good chance no one else is going to take the time to do it. When you were starting to,

you're at the point where people know to talk to Tom Shea for certain counties. If you see something that's like a Bigfoot, go to Tom Shea. What was it when you were first starting to do that? Were you going to police departments and being like, hey, I'm Tom Shea. I'd research Bigfoot.

If you get anything, here's my card. Were you doing stuff like that? Or do you have any advice if a person is trying to become that person for their area in the country, what are things that they could do to get their name out there to the right people? Yeah, go to your police department, go to your local sheriff department, talk to the emergency management. You're a judge-exec.

Like, we have good execs here. Talk to them, tell them what you do and stuff like that. And if you hear anybody who has any wild stories, it haven't come to me. It's keeping me in mind. It's just like the LBL. Now, when that story came out and stuff, I went down there and I was in the LBL for a little bit, and I focused mostly on the story. So I went to every place, the newspapers, I went to Sheriff's Department, State Police, everything, hospitals, and nobody knew nothing about this massacre at L.B. And I can't remember who it was, but I think it wasn't county official, said,

oh, that was just made up for tourism, to get people in here. And I didn't find anything, not even in the newspaper or the area, or the police department, the sheriff's department looked at me like, hey, state police too, we're talking about. You've got to actually go out and research this place, research your area. and something like that comes up, you know, deep dive into it really good. One of the best places to go is if you have a restaurant, you know, a country restaurant in your town or something like that, everybody congregates in the morning, drink coffee, and you get in there and most of the older gentleman, day. That's when you want to go on there and you sit and drink coffee and let's listen to the stories.

They're telling each other. strange chattel nuilations happened and something broke into my corn crib and listen to those stories and then you get a chance

invite yourself into that story and talk to them excuse me, I overheard you say that and can you tell me what you're talking about? Be polite and if they reject you being there then back off

And that's how you want to do that. I think that's great advice. When you're talking to, like, law enforcement departments and things like that, do you recommend talking to them face-to-face in person rather than over the phone? Or do you have any thoughts about that? Go to the office. Now, you might have to do that, like, several times because a receptionist or whoever it is, it's in charge out there will probably,

or whoever's running the desk, we'll probably shoo you away, but you keep going back, and finally you'll get some information. Gotcha. Because they're going to look at you like you're crazy anyway. Yeah, that's awesome. It makes sense, too.

Persistence and niceness is a great combination, I think. So I think that's some good advice for you to give out. But, Tom, this has been just, I think, a really good conversation. a lot of stuff that people can take away from this chat to either start into the Bigfoot subject or to become better. I want to make sure that you have the time to share if there are ways that people can keep up to date with what you're doing or if there's certain things that you want them to check out about your work that you've done, things like that. feel free to share those at this time.

Yeah, I just look me up on Facebook. I run the Northern Detective Bigfoot Research Group on Facebook. Anytime we ever do anything, we get any type of verified evidence. We'll post it. If you have questions, you can ask questions. A lot of knowledgeable people on that site that will give you an answer. and there's no bickering, no nothing, there's no fun making,

and nothing like it. It's all science-based. We're not running a fairy tale thing. We're running things that we have actual evidence that has been collected. A whole lot of experience people. What is in this site? Even my team people are most real.

And the one thing I like about my team is they're not a yes man, yes sir type of deal. It's all big foot. If I say something, somebody will question me. That's what I won't. I want to be questioned. Why do I believe this happened?

And I'll explain. So just because like I've told anybody else, I don't know at all. I'm still learning. But yeah, you can look me up on Facebook too. You got my

get my email from there and stuff like that. You can friend me, ask me questions. I'll help you out any way I can't, anybody. Tom, that's great. I will definitely have the link to that group down in the description for this episode so people can find that easily. But I appreciate you coming on today. And thank you so much, best of luck in the future with your future investigation.

and I hope they are very fruitful for you. Thank you for coming on the show today, Tom. Thank you, sir. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch, or forces,

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