Bigfoot Society - Wild Sasquatch of Massachusetts with Dave McCullough!
Episode Date: March 31, 2025Join the Bigfoot Society as we delve into the unknown with Dave McCullough, a seasoned Bigfoot investigator from Massachusetts with 20 years of experience. In this episode, Dave shares comprehensive i...nsights into Massachusetts Bigfoot sightings, covering locations like the Berkshires, Quabbin Reservoir, and Bridgewater Triangle. Learn about mysterious vocalizations, footprint discoveries, and eerie encounters in the dense woods and rugged landscapes of the state. Get a detailed look at the diversity of Massachusetts' terrain and how it provides a habitat for these elusive creatures. Don't miss out as Dave also discusses notable expeditions, conferences, and the Squatchachusetts group. Subscribe and share this episode to stay updated on Bigfoot activity across New England.Resources:Cobble Mountain Critter Festival: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-cobble-mountain-critter-festival-tickets-1003504949317Referenced Maine BFRO Report - https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=78256Squatchachusetts Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1479066879016769Sasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to bigfootsociety@gmail.com. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societySupport Bigfoot Society by checking out these businesses and products we use below:Beam (better sleep)https://share.shopbeam.com/hnpc4ypeWildgrain (better bread)https://wildgrain.com/a/refer-a-friend/redeem/6ogi3frocb2zwtbx8gx8lksvnpgb6tnxbhqlhfk2/8487Goodchop (better meat)https://www.goodchop.com/plans?c=TB1-J803T6DKO&plans_ab=true&utm_campaign=clipboard&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=raf-share-hptRepurpose.iohttps://repurpose.io?fpr=28951Descript (transcription and visual editing) https://get.descript.com/r3bclm1qi6r3Streamyard (platform for recording)https://streamyard.com/?fpr=bigfootsociety Riverside.fm (platform for recording) https://www.riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_5&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=bigfootsocietyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com
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At Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Dave McCullough today.
he is an individual from the great state of Massachusetts
and it is a pleasure to have him on the show
listeners will know in the past that I've referenced
that I am originally from Massachusetts specifically
the Franklin County Northfield area
and I love it when I have people from that state on the show
it is a real privilege
so Dave a few things about yourself I'd like to share
so listeners know some of your background
You've been a Bigfoot investigator for about 20 years, and you're involved with helping both the BFRO and the Squatchez-A-Chucitz group.
So, welcome to the show. Dave, how's it going, man?
It's going good, and thank you for having me on.
Yeah.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Oh, man. It's fun. We were talking about the Boston accent before we started.
And I never got that because I lived out in Western Mass where we have dragons instead of accents.
But I kind of wish I had it a little bit.
It's a badge of honor to where I think.
That's funny to say that the guy that started Squatts in Massachusetts is from Western Mass.
And he sounds nothing like me.
So when we go places, people pick that right off.
wait, aren't you both guys from Massachusetts?
And it's pretty funny.
Absolutely.
Less than two hours away from each other, but talk totally different.
It's crazy, man.
It's like, you know, there'll be a little bit inside baseball for Massachusetts people in this one.
But, you know, it's like the state, you know, I lived about in the middle, up in the north,
and you go two and a half hours west.
You're down by Great Barrington.
you go two and a half hours east and you can be up in the North Shore area.
But it's just, it's a really interesting state for diversity.
But, you know, Dave, whenever I have researchers, investigators on the show,
I love to start out with, of course, the question, which is, you know, what got you into this field to begin,
to begin with?
What got you into the Bigfoot community?
Well, I always had a big interest in, like, the older shows growing up in the 70s, it was in search of the mystery shows.
I was more into UFOs, and then I just got the bug with all the topics, actually.
But then I want to say in the 90s, the explosion of the Internet would be able to read citing reports and information that was out there, databases.
seeing that there was really something.
Then I really got the bug.
And like you said, 20 years, 20 years ago,
I went on an expedition for the BFRO in Whitehall, New York,
which kind of put Bigfoot on the map on the East Coast.
And I never realized it was an East Coast phenomena as big as it is.
And then just by digging into some books and stories,
I really learned how it's really all over the country.
It's not just the West Coast.
So I was able to really get involved and go out around here,
you know, having to travel for it,
realizing that, wow, every state, New England has had a long history of it
and that I didn't have to go as far.
Because at first, when I first went to New York,
I started going out that way, you know, up into Vermont.
and then just saying that Massachusetts itself has an old history of it
and I've just been with it ever since
that's fascinating
was there anything that happened during that
that first outing you had that was memorable in Whitehall
not not physically seeing anything as far as bigfoot wise
but I did see some warbs we did have some odd sounds
through the night in the woods.
But it just got my,
met a lot of great people from it
and still friends with a lot of them.
I have met up over the years,
just kind of like reunion camping.
But no, but big four related,
no, nothing really happened then on that expedition.
Gotcha.
Was there a time when you realized that,
hey, okay, there is something going on here
in Massachusetts and you yourself got involved with looking into it.
Yeah, I'm going out with a few people on hearing woodnoughts and then hearing a really good
vocalization in an area of Western Mass on the Berkshires, mountains where we just knew
on the ride in.
It's 10 minutes in on one road that there was no vehicles, no homes, no.
so you can kind of rule out like
you know people out in the woods
party and or anything like that so
I was kind of convincing there
and since then
like over 20 years though I've only had
I'd say four good vocalizations
and one really good tree
snapped that was a close range
and you know not a big tree
but a sapling but totally snapped
and slammed into the ground pretty good
was probably
I'm still waiting for that clear
siding, no siding yet, but
a lot of strange stuff.
We've had a couple images
on thermal. You know, again
it's a blob, but it's
something big and giving out some heat.
So, you know,
you get a good idea of it, but until you
get there really hardcore proof
that this
is what made it, like you can think what it is.
And I think, and I know what it was,
but no, not that clear daylight, absolute visual.
I'm still waiting for that.
Gotcha.
Something I think we should address probably right off the bat
because there's people that listen to this really all over the world
and definitely all over the U.S.
And the viewpoint of Massachusetts from that side would be,
I think a lot of it is going to be like,
oh, the whole state is Boston.
So when you get people that are like,
okay, there's no way there's going to be big foot in Massachusetts.
It's just, you know, Boston and the Freedom Trail and Fenway Park and all that.
How do you respond to that?
I'd say like you were saying earlier, quite diverse,
starting out in Western Mass on the New York side,
the Appalachian Mount Lanes goes right up to Massachusetts.
So there's a lot of hills and mountainous regions out that way.
But as you go across the skate, elevation goes down, more into rolling hills and farms,
all the way to, you know, the East Coast where I'm not sure if you heard of Bridgewater Triangle.
It's more from rolling hills down basically to, you know, the ocean Cape Cod,
where it's more marshy and, you know, very low elevation, swamp.
that whole probably
quarter chunk of the eastern part of the state.
So it's very different from Western Mass
where it's very wooded and very, very hilly
and pretty good terrain
down to like marshland and cranberry boards
and basically right to the coast.
And there's been a lot of action
in the last two years down that way.
It's southeast mass.
Oh, really? So you're talking about like down by the Bridgewater triangle?
Yeah, yeah, I was actually down there last week.
Some people filmed the good foot track they had in the snow.
It's still being looked at, but I'm pretty convinced of what it is.
It was 17 inches, five toes.
It looks like it slipped.
So on the cast, it looks like it was cast by spray form.
The person that found it was totally.
new to it, didn't know what to do, and
so they covered it and then sprays.
They actually sprayed
it with flexil,
which is black, so you could really see
the outline and the detail
because it was tough to see in the snow.
It was still pretty,
I want to say two or three inches of snow.
So you can see it,
but you really couldn't really see the detail
until they kind of highlighted
it with black and then
spray-foned it and
But that was their first experience about it.
They knew nothing about it.
Someone contacted us.
There's been other sightings in that general area over the last five to six years.
It's actually a wild life management area that's probably a good 10 miles away from the coast.
It's where it really starts going, turning from swamp and bards into woods.
It's still wooded, but mostly swam.
won't be and these people are on 200 acres of land of bogs and marsh and so that that was pretty uh that was like right from last week so that's as really fresh as it gets and then there's um last year there was a couple good audio recordings taken out of the same area um
Rochester mass one is which i sent i don't know if you might play it later on but yeah it's um pretty hard
pretty hard area when it's out of long history going back to you know as far as the
earliest Native Americans in that area in fact the Hockermark swamp which is the
swamp in the triangle it actually means a place of where spirits dwell it's an
Indian word but it's very interesting place not just big foot stuff it has a lot
of UFO activity orbs very
haunted because it's colonial, all the
Indian wars, which
is what a lot of people
down that way think it's all from
is Bigfoot's
just the tip of the iceberg.
But it's
good to have friends down
there, like I'm an hour and a half away.
So there's really, I'm more
north of Boston where I'm
more in the city.
So to get to these areas where
it's nice to get
away, so I like it in a call.
to somewhere to go
reason to get down there
there's a lot of stuff down that way
it's not
it's totally different as far as
elevation there's no mountains no hills
but it's just very dense
especially when the
foliage comes in when the spring
and summer come in it's very
thick
and thorny and a lot of
areas that you can get into now
in a few months you won't even be able to get near
I mean, you can get pretty close, but you really need to buswack your way in there.
That's why I think when the weather's nice is when it picks up is when people hear or see stuff.
I think right now might be a good time because you sent that sound over.
We could definitely play that.
And I just want to first comment, you sent the video of those footprint, that footprint over,
which is a very interesting video.
So was that that was a trackway as well or just a single track?
That was a single track.
There was other scuff muck on the ground and they were all in a straight line.
But that one, it was a part of the trail that went behind a tree where it was, you know,
the area was mostly no snow, but there was that one little patch.
I don't know if you can see it in the video where when she raises a camera, it's just all dirt.
And so it was the very last patch of snow next to the shade.
You know, it just got lucky that that thing happened to pass through.
Could have been at the night where it didn't see the snow,
but you can actually see where it skidded a little,
and the hills definitely elongated.
You can see, actually, you can see it looks like a mid-tossel break or a ridge
in the middle of it, but if the people on your shirt,
can see that. After I sent it, I didn't even realize that it's a phone. You're going to be doing a
phone interview, but if you were able to see that, that's good. That was just last week, like I said.
Yeah, and I don't know if I can get in touch with the person who film the video. I might try to
get the okay to put it on the YouTube version of the interview. I'll have to do some. I'll have to do
some work on that on the side but I think that would be that would be kind of cool for people to see that
but we can talk about that later but I could message you today and check that all for you.
Perfect yeah you're right I'd rather just get the okay and yeah she should be fine with it.
Yeah absolutely the audio that you also sent I'm going to go ahead and play that now and then
maybe if there's any
commentary that you could provide after that
and then we could
focus on that for a bit. All right. So I'm going to
go ahead and cue that up here. Right.
That's interesting.
That's a
great, great call. That was
from last year.
I was contacted. A gentleman
was woken up through the night
probably three in the morning
and he could hear this thing going
off and woke him right out of bed
and he just stuck his phone out of the door
and he just happened to catch the end of that
but he said it was going off for like a minute
before he ran down and
didn't know what the heck to do
and figured it's going to stop you know
like what the heck is that
so he finally ran down
and just held his phone out of the door
but he wasn't going outside for sure
and
that that is in Rochester
Mass that's just south
that's in the Bridgewater Triangle
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next couple days
just to see if they heard anything
they said they never heard nothing
but they thought it was weird they found
a dead deer in the yard
with a couple legs torn off it
one leg was like flung across the yard
and
not gone or anything
that's what was strange about it
it was just killed and
you know it wasn't taken to
eat and so whatever did it it wasn't a
like a normal predator
in the area if they were going to kill it there to take it or eat it.
It was like just still there with a couple of eggs messing.
So that was strange.
And like I said, that was about a quarter mile away from where the guy recorded it.
So that is being watched too.
And that's all farms too.
That's a pretty desolate town.
Wow.
You know, I've done this for a few years.
And if you hadn't mentioned it, I was going to ask, I was going to, I was like, man, I bet that deer had its, its legs ripped off.
Unfortunately, that is, that is a thing that you hear more often than not in these reports that you get from all over the U.S.
Yes, interesting.
That actually, I sent it off from friends with Scott Nelson.
He's a cryptolinguist.
And he was saying that it's something that should definitely not.
be in Massachusetts.
Whatever it is, he goes, but it's definitely
a primate, that's definitely
definitely interesting.
He goes, I can't say what it was. I didn't see it.
He goes, but that's something,
I would say, shouldn't be prowling around
Massachusetts. That was his
assessment of it.
Yeah, that's cool that you're able to have that
connection with him, and, you know,
what a cool thing that
he was able to give us thoughts
on it. You were talking about
going out into Western
Mass earlier.
So when you
your definition of Western Mass
I know there's a few different. Are you
talking like, you know,
the area where you've got like
Granby and you're not to Springfield
yet or are you going past out
to like Great Barrington
and Bear Mountain and
all that good stuff?
October Mountain.
Yeah.
But now, yeah.
Granby is actually my good friend who started Squatts,
Massachusetts.
They meet up there and then head out.
Yeah, it's October Mountain.
There's a couple towns around there with a lot,
long history of,
and he's actually had a sighting, too.
It was in Savoy State Park.
Yeah.
So we found that way a lot.
I've had some couple of BFRO expeditions out there,
where one of them there was a sighting six people saw it and they got a couple really good tracks out of there
savoy no that area is is just really interesting i've talked to an individual that had a really
intense sighting in that area um i've talked to a uh native american spiritual leader that they
were doing a um a ceremony around the mount washington
area down in the corner and they had some activity during their ceremony where they had a
sighting. It's just that whole western side of the state. But you know, you get a little
closer to Springfield and then you've got actually right next to Westfield. You've got the
Cobble Mountain. You've got some sightings over there, right?
Yep. Yep. Right out that area. In fact, there'll be a festival this year, Cobble Mountain
7 at June
Bigfoot Festival
not to give a cheap plug
but it's funny to say
Carmel Mountain. Yeah there's been a long history out there
and into Connecticut
and
to the left into New York
a lot of stuff on the New York side
of that part of the state.
The Kind of Hook creature
there's a couple books. There's a lot of
that way. That's not
far into New York.
Vermont
we've had people from Vermont in the northwest corner of mass
seeing something
it's pretty
like I said it's a lot more mountainous than it is
on the east side
and it's nice to get out that way and see
it's like it's two totally different environments
it really is yeah I mean you people don't
people don't get it unless
you know you go for a ride
on Route 2 through North Adams and you go over to New York, then you're going to realize
how crazy it is in Western Mass.
It is a whole different world up there.
It's just wild driving that road.
It is.
Yeah, there's a couple hip-in turns.
Do you remember that?
Oh, dude, yeah.
We just did that a few years ago.
Oh, so are you involved with that festival at all down by a Cobble Mountain?
I've heard a little bit about it.
Actually, I'll be speaking.
They asked me to speak.
It should be a fun time.
June 7th, I believe, weekend.
That's at Russell.
It's actually in Russell, Mass.
Okay.
Nice, nice.
Yeah, I'll get the info for that and make sure that the link is in the show notes.
I want to definitely help.
Is that a first year festival, too?
It is, yeah.
That's the Cobble Mountain Critter Festival, I believe, it's called.
That's awesome.
And listeners, if you might remember a while back, I had a gentleman on named Ernie,
and he had the incident with the Bigfoot that was doing a form of sign language, that's the same area, more or less.
So that's for context as well.
we were talking about Granby earlier
I've had
some interesting reachouts
I had a gentleman
who has some pretty wild activity
in the Granby area going on
I've tried to get him on the show but we're going
we're going back and forth a little bit
and then I had another individual
that had a sighting
over by the Coabin Reservoir have you
ever experienced or heard anything
going on in that area the Coabin
We've investigated a few cases around that.
And we had a woman saw a white one, I want to say four years ago, a woman and her husband,
both credible people teachers.
They were both school teachers.
And I stood in where they saw it and we investigated it.
And they said it was like eight feet tall, but it was white.
and there's been other incidents where my partner who runs Squatts,
he's pretty well connected in that area
and he knows a few wardens that have sent him pictures in that
but they don't talk about it
and then they're kind of like swaned to secrecy
they acknowledge it but tongue in cheek
so they don't totally say oh yeah they have
but they've sent them a couple pictures where there was
pretty interesting tracks in the dirt
and then they wipe them out
and like up, there's nothing to see here.
And then there was one good case
a few years ago where his friend
she was doing the rounds
before it got dark at night.
This is during the summer.
So it was pretty, you know, 8 o'clock or so.
And as she was escorting the mouth,
she rode them to the gate
and it was docked by then.
And one of the people left their phone
on the rock where they were sitting
by the reservoir.
So she had them stay there
and she's like, I'm going to have to go there
and get it. So she goes to get it.
As she's looking in the area
where they were sitting, she sees the phone
and she's getting it. All of a sudden,
the rock comes flying into the water.
And so she was freaked out
because she knew she'd just escorted
everybody out of here.
And if there's someone in there,
so she's shining a light around,
couldn't see anything.
and then his twigs snapping
and just basically
hightailed it back to a truck
and back out.
So she called my friend
that night and told them all about it
that she was pretty
wound up about it too.
That I, you know,
I know they're there.
So she got into it
and asking all about, you know,
what we use,
or with therm some night.
So she knows they're around.
The quadrant said
both sides of it actually
have had a lot of
activity
in fact the last
experience I had was
2019
was the tree snap
I was talking about earlier
that was on the east side
of the quarre
and that was just a few of us
hanging out doing stuff
nothing pretty quiet night actually
and just before we
will leave and
I heard of Russell
we will always say like
ah it's a square
or nothing.
We just heard like a twig snap.
So I yelled, hey, like, almost like, hey!
And this thing just, you could hear like the bending in it,
and it just snapped and hit the ground.
And that was pretty intense.
That was pretty, when you don't expect it, you know.
We were, like I said, we were just setting out.
And, hey, I think I startled whatever it was.
it was but in my opinion
someone was watching us
we were there all night trying to draw
something nothing but then we were leaving
sure enough
and just say thank you that was
thank you for the sign
that was like the end of it
nothing
came after that we looked and looked
nothing
we actually had a serum
within a couple minutes
we're like fired up and right on it
and there's
nothing there at all.
So again, that's just a mystery of, you know, something was there, something did that.
And then there's nothing.
That's happened a couple times over the years that something within Ashart and Ice Yard
and you get a therm rate on it.
There's just nothing around.
So it's either, you know, hiding behind a tree, ducking behind something or that's
happened a few times.
That is just, it's one of the weirdest things because you think about it with a thermal.
I mean, not to show up on thermal, that really takes something because, I mean, the heat, if it's something there, it should show up, right?
Right. And they have been caught on thermal. That's why is it like, you know, could have taken off?
You're like, now you're like, what happened to what? Something, something did that.
And that happened
to us once a New Hampshire
I was with Alexander Pedicoff.
Oh yeah.
And same thing, and a few guys.
And a snap tree comes down
and there's nothing there.
Very bizarre.
Extremely bizarre.
In case listeners are,
I want to provide a little bit of context
to the Coabin real quick.
So people need to realize
how big it actually is.
I think I read once that
the length of it is about like 18, 20 miles long.
Like it is a just massive wildlife area and body of water.
It's perfect for these guys to be around.
Yeah, and it's well protected too.
So all around it on whatever town it's in is heavily,
heavily protected.
Most places you can't get in once it's dark out.
Absolutely.
Because that's why it's why for the whole eastern part of the same?
state in Boston.
Like, you can't, even regulations
when it's nice, so like, you can only
use their boats.
You can't, you couldn't even bring your own
kayak in and nothing invasive.
A lot of studies go on out there.
But from what I understand,
fishing-wise, it's great for fishing.
I don't feel it.
But it's loaded with fishermen
once it's open.
So since I have you on,
and you're the closest that I've, well, okay,
so here's my goal I've tried for years.
My goal is one day to talk to someone
that has knowledge about Bigfoot in the northern Franklin County area,
which is like Northfield or Gill or Greenfield,
Warwick, all that good stuff.
that's i'm kind of saying that right now in case listeners are out there listening to massachusetts
episode and be like oh yeah i have that we'll reach out to me guys please bigfoot society gmail
com but you know me saying those town names is that jog anything in your memory like oh yeah i
may have heard something from that area uh no but i wouldn't doubt it and just looking at it on
the maps and uh you know aerial views of it it's heavily wooded a lot of a lot of uh steep hills
hills, ponds.
I wouldn't doubt at all any of those towns.
I have done a couple of hikes of Warwick.
Mm-hmm.
Very small towns, too.
A lot of those towns out there, very low population.
So there's not a lot of, as it goes,
like if you were going away from Springfield or Worcester or Boston,
like the big cities, once you get a half hour outside,
of those it's a very low populated towns but i wouldn't doubt it all around gill like those are
heavily you said you're from northfield yeah yeah yeah you know yeah that's that's like right in the
high very worded yeah it i had no idea then when i was living there how i was so close to the marlborough
monkey sightings of southern new hampshire i was like man i used to drive up there all the
I had no idea.
I don't know if you've ever heard of that one.
Not the stories, but the town Marlboro, New Hampshire.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy stuff.
And, like, sightings on Mount Manadnock,
I've had individuals reach out off record
that they've had sightings on the actual mountain hiking up there,
which is very crazy to think about.
Because that's, you know,
it's the second most climbed mountain in the world behind Mount Fuji
from what I remember.
But, yeah, I read that somewhere. It's very well used.
Absolutely.
Thinking of all the different things you've heard about this state, is there perhaps one that you've heard where you were like, man, it really happened there?
And it just kind of surprised you?
There was one, not in mass.
There was one recent, but it was just over the border.
I want to say in Maine.
and it
like I want to say
just within the last couple weeks
and it's
right along the coast actually
so that was a surprise
and some of the ones down in
Southeast Mast
were very very close
to the coast
but then it makes
I thought about it too but
the West Coast they're right on
the on the coast also
so why wouldn't they
like they don't need to have
heavy mountainous because like I said it's very low elevation but there's been
stuff there that was a surprise too like stuff we wouldn't expect now it's
going to be a mountain it's going to be heavily wooded but you know even like uh other
towns a half hour from Boston these other places are they're only an hour
less than an hour away that sound recording you know that was um
There's small towns when you get down to Rochester, but when you think of it is you're not far from a big city.
So you don't have to get far as far as, I don't know, just my opinion.
They're closer than they think to the big cities.
It's wild to think about.
And, you know, I've mentioned this in other episodes, but a lot of people are like, it's too close to the big cities.
It's not too close to the big cities, you know.
And like the cities keep growing.
and so it keeps taking over habitat slowly.
I don't think it's out of the, you know,
it's not too crazy to say that it could be happening
within like half an hour of these big cities for sure.
Right.
And even if they're not living there,
at least they're passing through.
They're leaving signs that they pass through there on occasion.
And I think that's why they stay on the move,
so they're not just staying in one spot.
when I think it would be easy to find them, but maybe stay for a few days, move on.
Overnight, a couple overnights and leave and just leave little signs here and there.
But when I first got into this, I'm like, oh, they're not in Massachusetts.
Then until you start learning about it and reading about it.
And then, holy mack, we're in New York.
And then they're getting closer.
And then you realize they're in every state, I started looking up every state.
Maine has a long history, New Hampshire, Vermont, all in New England, actually.
All the indigenous tribes had names for it, just like they were all west.
It was an eye open.
And not to think they're in Massachusetts.
And my friend that started Squatts, Massachusetts, that's how he got into it.
He had a siding in Savoy.
That's how we ended up with some standard investigating Savoy.
He was a park ranger at the time.
And I actually saw two, a big one and a small one.
So that was an eye opener also.
He's went from, you know, that's what it is with this thing.
A lot of people go from normal leaders, you know, hardcore skeptics
till you see something or someone you know sees something.
the main report are you referring to the one that was just released by the BFRO with the footprints on it
the main one yeah yes yeah that was I want to say last week or two weeks ago yeah very very recent that was
one of my buddies out here in iowa Ontario Richardson she did the work on that and that was
I was surprised when I read that one it was it was wild yeah because I think it was even in the post
It's only half hour or 40 minutes from Boston.
That's not far.
It's not far from the coast.
That's why.
So, yeah, it just adds to the fact that you really don't need to be far away and up in the mountains and out in the wilderness.
That's pretty a common area.
Dave, I've got just a few more questions for it.
I just want to say thank you for you spending some of your time with us this afternoon.
But, you know, since you've been able to see so many reports from Massachusetts over the years,
have you noticed that there seems to be a leaning towards what the witness saw looked more humanoid or more ape-like?
Well, I think mostly men look more like a man, a person.
I've had a few people tell me that.
I did a good case that's in the BFRO database and Henson Mass.
And he said it'll just look like a big man running down the hill or to the road.
Never really had anyone tell me a monkey or ape or just a big, big hairy guy or man.
One person told him he looked like a man in a gilly suit, like a hunter coming out of a wood.
but now no monkeys
or rage
that's extremely interesting
that kind of lines up with what I've gotten as well
I would say the one offshoot of that
is I had one individual
it was South Coabin
as he was driving across
and what he saw
looked like a big orangutan
which I thought was really unique
for that sea
because I think most of the people
I've heard from are, you know, that the big kind of human or big man, you know, uncovered.
You think maybe because of the color, the ring of tang, right onish, was that the color?
Exactly. Yeah. Yep. That is, that probably would explain it there as well.
You know, last thing that I will ask you, Dave, is just curious if someone was going to go out and try to maybe check out an area to try to have some sort of Bigfoot interaction.
Do you have any advice as what might be the best way for them to do that?
Well, my two on it in the last couple of years has changed as far as to go out and listen and just be quiet.
become part of the woods.
Earlier on, we used to, you know, get out in a lot of gear and all this and that.
We really don't take a lot out now.
And now we listen.
When we get out of the car, everyone's like slamming the doors and putting that stuff on,
talking.
A lot of times that's when we've heard stuff.
So there's been a couple times last year we got out of the car nice and quiet.
And you might hear that one knock.
and it's just my opinion that it's a heads up to
a lot of people think they lead someone at the entry points
to these recreation areas
where it's just a one knock almost like the humans are here
and yeah I don't
not as much hoot and howling and banging on trees
and trying to trap them or sneak up on them
because I don't think that's ever going to happen
and they know you're there when you get there.
They're highly intelligent beyond, like I said,
you're never going to sneak up on one.
I think they'd be better pictures or better film if they were there,
you know, catch them off guard.
And I think, too, a lot of the sightings are,
this is just my opinion also,
but I think a lot of them are intentional that it's not an accident, you know.
they want to be seeing
they say if you see one you
you're
almost blessed or you're
very fortunate but
I would just say
get out nice and quiet
be yourself
don't go wrapping on trees
you know maybe a return mark
if you did hear one but
I don't initiate that stuff
now I just go out and listen
and try to become part of the woods
because anyone
anything else out there is going to know you around animals.
They hear from a mile away.
Bears are going to smile you from a mile away.
So I think your best bet is go out and be yourself.
Keep your eyes open.
But go where you got.
And I don't think they have bad intent either.
I think they're just curious.
And I want to check what you're up to.
Make sure you're not bad for that.
for them.
I think that's great advice, though.
I'm pretty close to how you're saying it as well.
You know, it's just kind of just kind of be out there.
But, you know, Dave, it has been just a great conversation with you.
Thank you for sharing your years of knowledge about Bigfoot in the state of Massachusetts.
Is there anything here at the end that if people wanted it?
to contact you about, you know, Squatchezzoos or Massachusetts Bigfoot.
Is there a way that's best for them to do that?
I think just on Facebook, either friend me or you can Squattschutche,
Massachusetts on Facebook.
We're out there.
We take people out.
Anyone can come out.
But that's really it.
I don't have a website.
Don't have any of that.
Pretty low-key.
just do my own thing
but I do stuff with other people
we go out we do
doing a few conferences
coming up this year
the past few years
been asked to speak
if you can understand
the Boston dialect
I think
I think we'll be good
it's it's awesome
so you'll be at
Cobble Mountain and then
what other festival
festivals or conferences are you doing
Carver mountains June
7th
June 21 and
22 it'll be the Charming Fair
Farm and Candy in New Hampshire
July
26th
I'll be doing the paranormal
Truth Seekers Expo
that's in Nashville
New Hampshire
and September 6 and 7th
the Great Anniolingo
UFO conference
that's on Lemon
the mess.
Very nice.
So there's a few ways
you can meet Dave
if you'd like to
this coming year
so check those out.
But Dave McCullough,
thanks so much
for coming on the show
today.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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