Bigfoot Society - Wildlife Conservationist from India shares his Bigfoot Encounter

Episode Date: August 24, 2024

In this episode, Jeremiah with Bigfoot Society welcomes Nav, a seasoned wildlife conservationist from India, whose globe-spanning career has brought him face-to-face with extraordinary phenomena. Amidst his conservation efforts, Nav recounts spine-chilling encounters with unknown creatures, including a potential Orang Pendek sighting in Sumatra and a thrilling face-off with a mysterious being in the dense forests of Kananaskis in the Rocky Mountains of Alberta, Canada. Delve into Nav's gripping stories, his belief in undiscovered humanoid apes, and the compelling evidence supporting their existence. His accounts challenge conventional evolutionary theories and call for a unified, open-minded approach to uncover these cryptids before they vanish.Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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Nav is a wildlife conservationist from India. It's a pleasure talking to you today, Nav. You reached out to me through email. I think you even sent me some voicemails as well. Yeah, thank you, Jeremiah. Absolutely. Yes, thank you so much. I am really excited to talk to you tonight.

It's been a while getting this to work. It's 8.30 in Iowa, and it's 730 or 7.8 in India. Oh, right, you're in Iowa. Lovely. I've never been there. So another place I have to visit in the future. Absolutely. Absolutely. So Nav, let's get right into it. I'd like to welcome me to share what you've experienced over the years as a wildlife conservationist.

Yeah, I mean, it's a long story. I've always had a passion for wildlife. From the late teens, I was involved in working for various wildlife organizations, some very high profile, like an environmental investigation agency, which investigates the illegal trade in CITES and endangered species. So Debbie Banks, who is one of the head campaigns, is there. I know very, very well, worked for Forno Florea International, which is London Zoological Society. So I knew very well the CEO, John Burton, David Attenberg, you might know from BBC TV series. So International Rangetam Foundation, Ashley Lehman. So a lot of the top most high-profile conservationists working on endangered species, protection and preservation all over the world. I'm also a lawyer so well I'm retired now but I was a lawyer so I used that to some extent

to fuel that sort of passion and help with those sort of whatever sort of campaigns I was doing so I've traveled all over the world I've been to Indonesia Southeast Asia Malaysia South America India obviously where I'm staying living now I'm of Indian origin

Africa so in my pursuit of this passion of mine yeah so you could say for 30 years over 30 years That's absolutely fascinating. It's just the information that you have is probably more than I could ever even imagine of just being able to go to the different countries of the world. It's so fascinating. But it sounds like in your travels, you've had some sightings of some really interesting things that are not normal.

Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I couldn't come to terms with, because I was always brought up believing in Darwin's sort of theory of evolution, natural selection, you know, that everything was backed up by paleontology and archaeology and anthropology and certain species. That's really amazing, Jeremy. I had this sort of, I knew a couple of people when I was working, and one of them was, I forget her name, she worked for Fauna, Flora International.

I can't remember a name. This is many years ago, and she had a very strange experience, and she had related it to me. And I said, well, what was the experience that you had? And she said, well, when I was in Indonesia, I actually saw a creature that was not a human. It was not an ape or monkey. It was something in between. But it was definitely something that would be an unidentified, unknown species. So I never thought about it.

But bizarrely going to that same place myself, and it's called Karinchi Seblad, by the way, it's a national park in Sumatra, one of the largest. And it's supposed to be the place where this creature called Orang Pendik occurs. So when you talk, when I went there, I'm talking of, this must have been almost 30 years ago, just under 30 years ago, sorry. I stayed in the park I went trekking Not for looking for these creatures by the way I was looking for Siamang which is a gibbon species Just to see how the park was

There were a lot of issues at that time about You know poaching deforestation And I wanted to see this for myself So with a guy called Mr. Sorlock who was a guide We were trekking through some forest dense forest But there was an open patch of grassland In front of both of us Something ran very fast on two legs two feet

So he looked at me and I looked at him And I said, well, do you know what could run that fast in two feet? It can't be a bear. I mean, some bear is an animal that occurs as a small bear species, but it can't run for that distance. And we saw it. We didn't see it clearly, but we saw like a head And something disappeared very, very fast.

So I just brushed it off to tell you the truth. I know this lady I'd spoken to had seen it. But, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of evidence of this orang pentech. The locals know of it. The villages know of it. And they definitely say it's not an orangutan, it's not a gibbon. It's something like, it's like humanoid features, but it's something in between. So what I'm saying is, Jeremiah, it's like, because I've been to so many places,

how is it that in so many of the places of the world that I've been, people who are well-informed, people who are credible, who have actually said, no, there is something here. And, you know, I've had so many other experiences, Not like the one I had in Canaanascus, by the way. That is undoubtedly the most bizarre, but I'll come to that later. We will come to that. The other one was in India, and everyone knows about the Yeti.

And there's one place in northeast India. It's a state, actually. It's a state called Megalia. It's a small state. Most of it's forested. Most of it's very inaccessible. And it has a very, very small population. and there's a place called Nukrek National Park.

It's like a park. It's protected. I had gone there with a guy called Philip Tarion, who was the tourism, one of a tourism offices. And I've actually been given his details by another charity that I used to work alongside with, which was Wildlife Trust of India, which, by the way, supported you might know of it by, for International Fund for Animal Welfare. And the reason why he visited this place is because, again, it was very rich in biodiversity.

It was very important, very crucial for protecting. So when we were there for about a day, we went to one part of the forest. We were going to go trekking. But one of the forest officers said, I'm sorry, it's closed. So Philip and I say, why is it closed? What's happened? Why are the villages being relocated? There were some villages that were situated inside that particular part of the park.

but they were relocated out. And you could see the people outside and they were sort of like with their belongings or not belongings, but in like, you know, little groups. And they look quite sort of disoriented. So I asked Philip, I said, well, you know, what's happened? And so he spoke in their language. These were Garrow people, like tribal people.

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That was not a bear. So again, in this area, you'd get maybe Himalian black bears and bears. They said it was much taller. It said it looked identical to a human, almost, almost, but it was covered in hair. So what could it possibly be? I mean, I thought, are these people exaggerating? Are they sort of like believing in some mythical creature? Because, you know, when you believe in something that is mythical,

sometimes it almost becomes graphically, it becomes so in constant or subconscious, you begin to see something which you believe, although it doesn't actually exist. And I discussed this with Philip, I discussed with others. So interestingly, here they call it Monday Burum. So they have names for these creatures. And their names are different from what they have for bears or any other animals.

And they say, no, it exists. And that's why, but it's rare. But when we see it, yes, we get frightened because we don't know about how we'll interact with us. So that's just to give you sort of a background of those experiences and other people. I've come across many instances, by the way. I've not, if I'm not myself personally seeing things or of speaking to people who said, oh, no, no, this definitely exists. It's not a question of even if it does exist.

But we don't have the resources. we don't have the team work or the staff to go out into these very deep, inaccessible, forested areas to be able to locate these creatures. So that's just the kind of background, you know, in the past of my sort of experiences of these type of entities or whatever creatures. That's, I mean, that is fascinating. Has there been expeditions to try to look further into that creature, or is it really, that remote where it hasn't really been looked into before?

Yeah, I mean, basically northeast India, the extreme northeast. It's a very, very densely forested area. It's intractable. It's inaccessible. Massively deep gorges. Just to give you some idea, if you try to walk into that forest, sometimes you can't see you be on one foot. It's that dense.

So, you know, you need people with proper equipment to be able to go there, proper supplies. And see, in India, we don't have those resources. We don't have, well, to be honest, you know where in the world, right? I mean, you can't take any mechanized vehicles there. You can't take horses or ponies. Because, you know, the kind of topography is such that you're walking and very rugged terrain. And myself being a trekker, and I've done it trekking for a long time,

I know these, how difficult it can be to even walk one or two kilometers, right, because of the type of terrain. So yeah, they don't have the backing. They don't have the... Because, you know, India has so many other problems. We have so many issues dealing with environment, with population, with whatever we do have that we're protecting by way of wildlife. So it's difficult to give attention to this.

But if you look at the kind of topography, you can see that it's the kind of thing that would support and could support these animals, because there's a lot of vegetation, there's a lot of food sources, a lot of shade, a lot of water. And, you know, people will turn around and say, oh, but hang on, wait a minute. How can this support an animal that's so tall and, you know, and I said, well, I've been to jungles in India. There are only maybe 50 to 100 square kilometers, but on which you get elephant herds.

And I've never seen the elephants. Because a jungle is so dense that, you know, and the elephants don't come out. They don't need to come out. They've got enough food. So that, you know, the assumption that, oh, because an animal is of particular size, you should see it easily is absolute nonsense. And that's one thing I want to dismiss because I hear it all the time. Oh, but, you know, if this animal is so huge, eight feet, nine feet, then you'd see it. Well, I said, well, look, I've been through jungles in the world.

I've been in jungles where they're elephants, they're banning, their gall, their tigers, you don't see them. You don't even hear them. And they're there. And these are small jungles. So on that basis, this is entirely viable. So yeah, a lot more work needs to be done, Jeremiah. A lot more work needs to be done to increase awareness of this creature. And can I just say one thing?

People forget that there's a lot of fossil evidence of these creatures in India. Because in these chivalics, so basically when the Himalayas were formed, when India, that's triangular shape, if you like, of the Indian India, broke off from Africa, Gondwanaland, and it smashed into the Asian. It formed the Himalya 60 million years ago. And from that point onwards, you had a lot of evolution of species and things. And in the Himalayas, there are foothills called the Chevalics. In the Chevales, they found fossils of the very first ape men, or if you like, apes, called Rammaphythocines.

And how interesting from that we get gigantic epithicus, the fossils, or, which were found in northeast India and China. So why is it not feasible that there should be some line that survived and which was manifested by these species today, if just within, like the Yeti. And a lot of people say, oh, the Yeti is just a Tibetan blue bear. It's unidentified because they found a scalp in some Tibetan monastery in Nepal,

which was, incidentally, that was of a bear. They believed it was a Yeti. So they dismissed it. But it's absolute garbage, because Indian troops, Indian soldiers, Indian officers who've been in the Himalayas at 20,000 feet, because they're patrolling that area against invasion. They've seen this animal.

They've seen an animal that's not a bear. They said, no, it's not a bear. And which bear can walk erect for a period, for a distance of, sorry, a distance of one or two kilometers? No bear can do that. The bear might get up on its hind legs and so on, but how can they walk for one, two, three, four kilometers, but these tracks have been seen in the amalia's.

And the stride between the tracks, and there's nothing around it. So it's not like someone has gone around and faked it, because if they did, you see the signs of their footsteps or things around those tracks, and there's nothing of the kind. And the pressure on the ice, when they've looked at the pressure on the ice, it has to be around 500 to 800 pounds, because the ice is so compact and strong. You need to have so much body weight, press, to leave that type of an imprint. So that's really the issue. There just isn't the resources.

I think there isn't really the interest because there's so many other issues. And that's why, I think. It's absolutely fascinating. You are a wildlife conservationist. Is part of what you're trying to do prove these humanoid ape-type creatures that haven't been discovered yet? Or what is your relation to that? Yeah, good point, Jeremiah. The fact is I have an open mind for everything.

I do believe they exist. And that's part of the reason why I really want to go and try to find out more evidences, information. I know a guy very well, he's a very close friend of mine, Dr. David Chivers. He's a retired professor of veterinary anatomy from Cambridge University. He's been on the TV. He's been on radio. He's very, very well known in the circles.

He's one of the top primatologists in the world. He believes fervently in the existence of this creature. Why would he compromise his reputation? Although I know he's retired now, but even when he was not retired, he would do nothing to compromise his academic reputation, his credentials, by believing in something if it were bogus. And when I've spoken to him at length, and I've known him for almost 30 years, Dr. David Chivalv, I still keep up with him.

And he said, no, he said there is a lot of fake stuff out there. They're like the videos, but there's a lot that is very convincing. And I said, I agree with you. And I talked to him about a guy, you might know, Jeremiah, think a tanker, who does a wonderful YouTube channel. Of course, yeah. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation.

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Do they block hearing to heightened taste? Hmm. That sounds. to show, everything happens for a Reesis. And Thinka Tunker, if you look at his analysis, being in special effects, being in IT, and knowing, you know, when something has been photoshopped or when something has been adulterated. But what I loved about Thinka Tanka, there were a couple of videos, and one of them was the

stone thrower. I can't remember where it was. Was it Ohio or Utah? I'm sorry. But they showed a creature. And when Thinka Tunker does analysis, i.e., he looks at the length of the arm of the creature. He says, okay, even if it's a man.

in a fake suit. He'd have to have an arm length that equates to that of an ape and because apes have longer arms, right? They have shorter torsos than we do. But sorry, did they have shorter, longer torsos but shorter legs and longer arms

and it fit all the dimensions. But what really got me was when he showed this creature sitting down, the metatarsal bone and the foot. So we know basically we can't bend the arch of our foot, soul of our foot in half. Sorry, if that means, makes sense. So only the ape, an ape, and it can do that, it can bend its foot downwards.

So it's like in half. So bend all midst its soul or its arch in half. And when I saw that actually on the video and he's zooming in, I thought that is just bizarre. Because no human being, monkey suit, no monkey suit could do that, let alone have those dimensions, those physical proportions that I described earlier. And then that was one video. The other one that was written, And this is what got me interested. That's why I contacted you. Because I dismissed what I'd seen, as I described in my first contact with you. But when I saw that video of the contractors in Canaanascus, a couple of years ago,

I saw this huge creature, chuck a 20-foot tree, some 40, 50 feet distance. And you could see the bowl of the little earth at the end where the roots were. You could see it was a tree. That convinced me. Because the analysis that thinkatatunker did was just, First, you can see the shadow of this creature, which is at least eight to nine feet. And the way it picks this thing up and throws it. And the way he does the analysis, and he gives the weight of the tree, he gives the height of the tree.

He says it doesn't matter even if you are the strongest pole vault in the world. You wouldn't be able to throw that object even a few feet, let alone pick it up and throw it in the air. So when I take all this evidence, and there's much more, by the way, I'm sorry, I'm just giving you ones that come immediately to my mind. then I think, yes, of course, this creature exists. And we're not talking about it because there are a number of reasons. And the reasons I believe, Jeremiah, it challenges traditional evolutionary theory. Because we're taught to believe that, you know, I don't know what you think, but we're taught to believe that humans, we evolved and all our other competitors died out. And there's just the apes and the humans.

And it suits these orthodox people who believe in that, right? Secondly, it challenges all mainstream religions because even if you're not, you know, look at a lot of orthodox religions. They don't want to believe there's, see, we believe in Adam and Eve. The Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. They believe in Adam and Eve. That man was formed in God's form. So when we start talking about these ape-like creatures, to some extent, it challenges a lot of the religious ideology in monk circles, right? Thirdly, these creatures occupy vast swathes for, I mean, if you take of Russia, at the Siberian Yeti, and you might have seen the one on YouTube this family are in the woods,

and they see this huge creature swinging through the trees. And it's amazing. It's another amazing video. There's no, it's not a hoax. People have looked at it. It's not a chimpanzee. It's a two, three times of size of a chimpanzee. But when you look at the, um, sorry, the, the, the, the Siberia is 13, 13, 13 million square

kilometers in size. Can you imagine that? So in other words, Siberia, if you take, um, USA's, nine million square kilometers or Canada similarly. So it's about, what, one and a half times the size of USA or Canada, just Siberia within Russia, most of which is forested. Millions of square kilometers of that, at least several million is forested. So will you take all these forested areas, similarly in the United States, like I was just

looking the other day, I just come back from Yellowstone, actually, a month ago. I was in Yellowstone National Park and the titans and all that. So I passed through that area coming from the Waterton side of Canada Glacier side. And I just passed through a fragment of what is supposed to be an area that covers 89,000 square kilometers. So that's not just the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, which is 39,000. It's all the other forests like Custer Gallatin, Lewis Clark, Shoshone. All these together come to 89. So you know, Jeremiah, we're talking of a vast area, right?

I mean, the UK is only 220,000 square kilometers. This is 89,000. So you're telling me in that vast area, huge area, you can't have these animals roaming around. What nonsense? Of course you can. And that's especially my experience of being all over the world and looking, chasing huge animals,

which would be hidden in smaller fragments. But I think the other reason is that a lot of these areas are very rich. They're rich in minerals. they're rich in timber, a lot of the commercial interests know that in this creature exists, these areas could be declared as national parks or protected areas. It means that are off limits to commercial ventures. So it suits a lot of the big corporates not to have this species verified as existing. Because what it does, it then means that, well, these areas that were ripe for exploitation

commercially, industrially, for mineral resources, now becomes more difficult. The other reason I believe that I'm saying this because I think people inside the government do know it exists but these are reasons possibly why it's not being disclosed. The other reason is I think that if this creature was verified by means that it can be verified by, it would probably lead to trophy hunters, hunting, poaching, because you can imagine, right, there's a new animal in existence,

we know it's been identified, oh wow, why don't we kill one, catch one, why don't we try to find where it is? A lot of people going into this forested areas uncontrolled. So I think there's a lot of, and yes, it could be that, you know, there are other reasons too, but I think there are a lot of factors why institutions, establishments don't want us,

don't want us to know that this exists. I'm not a conspiracy theory believer, but I feel that there's a lot of, a reason why it shouldn't be known to exist. Absolutely. While we're around this topic, you know how, I'm sure you keep to date with the news that may be in the U.S., but over the last few years, there's been a, well, really a disclosure of the UFO or UAP phenomenon.

Yes. Yes. Absolutely. ...tores that on the Bigfoot side of things? Very good point, Jeremiah. I don't really know because the UFO doesn't impact us. a day-to-day basis. Why I think the information on the truth of the Bigfoot is a little bit more compromised is because I think, as I said before, it occupies the land that we share, we human

share with the environment. Very rich lands. And there are two reasons. If it gets protected, it means it's a no-go area for the big corporates, commercial companies, mining companies. It challenges a lot of what so does UFO about orthodoxy, about religion, thing because that also does. I agree with you. So I think that with the big foot, it's probably, and the other thing is that you see UFOs, we can see them in the sky, right? Anyone, you know, they're in the sky, they're more visible, it's in the open, but something that's deep in the forest of the earth and the bowels of the earth, that's more difficult to, to be able to say, well, here we go. Here's the evidence. And we, you know, the other thing people have said is,

oh, but there's no body, there's no corpse. There's, there's no, um, there's no, um, there's no, um, What about aliens? Have they produced an alien corpse? I mean, I know they've got these little mummies from Peru. Right. That's come in the news. And they said, oh, we believe that this is definitely, because it's not human DNA.

But look at this. I mean, does it mean because you don't have a physical body? I'm telling you, as a lawyer, as myself, that the evidence does exist. No nonsense. I give you a perfect scenario. What about murder cases? Where people have been murdered,

they haven't found the body, but the person who's accused of murdering It's still being convicted on the other evidence. So you've got to look at all the other evidence. You've got to look at all other evidence. Is it still provable beyond a reasonable doubt that Bigfoot exists? Or is it just circumstantial? Like I say, no, it's not circumstantial.

The other evidence does show it exists. And when DNA has been taken by way of fur samples and they've been submitted to laboratories, what really annoys me is a laboratories come back and say, oh, it's, we can't, it's contaminated. I mean, what garbage? What absolute garbage? I mean, either you know that it is a bear or something else or not.

I mean, if it's contaminated and so many samples have been given, but why is it laboratories, most of them are coming back and saying, well, we can't really determine what this is, but you can determine other fur samples. If I bring cat samples in or tiger samples or bears, how many times have they said, oh, this is contaminated? Or when you and I give our DNA, they say, oh, it's contaminated, or this is,

of that. So I think that there is a cover-up. I don't know really why there's a cover-up, because I think that there are means of getting round this, whether they feel this animal may be very, in a very delicate situation by way of numbers, that if we give too much information out, we're concerned that it'll lead to people going in and looking for it because it exists here and Earth. There's not like UFOs, you know, that come from outer space. You know, it's survival could be compromised. I don't really know, Jeremiah, but the evidence is too compelling about its existence, in my opinion, far too compelling. It is a fascinating conversation, and, but I would like to, let's start looking into, it sounds like you've had really interesting, I mean, interactions,

or you've seen things even more intense than what you saw in Sumatra. Oh, yeah, yeah. In Cananascus was many years ago, and I was with some friends. And it's really funny. I passed the spot where I was just there recently. I passed the very same spot, which is really as you go on the, it's a Route 40. It's called the Kalinascus Trail Route 40. So as you go inside Kalanaskis and you travel on this area for,

it's many, many kilometers. I don't know how many kilometers, maybe 50, 60 kilometers. So it's on either side, dense forests. And you can see the forest. It sort of goes for miles and miles, and it joins the slopes of these rockies and the foothills. In between and little patches, you have little open patches of where the rivers are or creeks are,

or willow breaks. And that's when I saw this creature. And you know how when you, you first see something there's your eyes are trying to focus because your first thing that goes to your brain is you can't your eyes are not really being able to assimilate what you're seeing because your brain is not interpreting according to what the brain already processes as known information if you know what I mean and seeing this creature uh which we did and I said it wasn't for a very long time but it was for sufficiently long time to see that it definitely wasn't a human

it definitely wasn't a bear. And what else could be that height, that stature, that color, unless it was an identified species. And we were all globsmacked. And the fact is that, you know, we couldn't interpret what it was. And in Canaanascus, there's a information center which you can visit. And you can speak to the staff or whatever. but the fact is a lot of the people there,

they don't want to believe, and where would you have the evidence to be able to go and say, well, I've seen something. It was definitely this, and here's a photo. Because everything is dependent on having photographic evidence. And at that time, you know, we weren't carrying cameras around or phone cameras and such as the experience that you don't have the time

to be able to record it, right? It's not just something, here it is. I've seen animals. I do wildlife photography as well. and I see animals and sometimes I'm looking at them for so many seconds but I still don't have the time to focus and take a picture right

and record it because of the light or because of the movement and everything else and what I saw was definitely what a lot of people report as having seen it sort of fit that criteria and very dark blackish brown in color very heavy set very tall

couldn't see the features clearly but the head was like definitely, it wasn't like a gorilla. When people say like a silver-back gorilla, then there's no comparison to that. But thick-set, like, you know, big head, but not like a gorilla, silver-back head with a big sagittal crest, no. But broad shoulders. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts.

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or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's. Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a recesses. And the arm length and everything, and it definitely was not a bear. 100%. And if it were a man, again, it would have to be... See, the height is... And that's a thing.

It's very difficult to determine a height at that distance from the road when you're seeing something inside this inset. But the distance was such... You can still determine that this thing was at least seven to seven and a half feet. But it wasn't just the height. It was the body measurements. It was like the size of the shoulders, the chest, the legs, the length of the arms. No human.

And it would have to be, I mean, it would have to be some type of suit that would be designed by, I don't know what. Because the way that you could see the fur and everything move on that body, no suit, no fake suit or maid suit could do that. So just to make sure I have the scene set, when you're looking at the creature, are you seeing it dead on or are you seeing a side view and it's moving across? At the time, it was brief. So I didn't see it front on. I didn't see it front on as far as I can recall. I saw it, but I saw it side on and I saw it move. Yeah.

So I didn't see its face. Okay. Yeah, I didn't see its face clearly. But I can, all I can remember is seeing it side, side on and the back of the backside of it. It sounds like you had the ability to see muscles moving under the fur. If I don't muscle, see a kind of a mass, yeah, a mass that was significant. Yeah, the fur definitely wasn't a suit. How far away would you

Would you guess? Again, it's just hard. I know I put on my thing Because now Because It wouldn't It would 100 feet

Maybe 80 to 100 feet Oh wow Yeah Because we were on the highway And when you go to Cannanaskis These clearings When you get out on the road Some of the clearings are very

like the they're very close to the roads so the areas where you're looking at the wildlife sometimes. Like I've just seen I just came back, I think I was telling you, I was in Canada, Canada and America just this last month. So I saw Grizzly Bear there 15, 20 feet away.

Wow. So, but this was much, but this was, so when I compare to that, this was further, this was further than that. This was much further than that. This wouldn't, and this wouldn't have been 40, now, this is more, I'd say about 80 to 100 feet. Yeah, just as it came, it moved. It moved. And that's another thing. The way that it moved, the stride and the,

and what was really odd, when it was moving, it didn't like walk upright, completely erect with its legs completely straight. There was like a slight bend in the legs, if you know what I mean. So in other words, like, as though when it was walking, its knees were not locking, were not locked. So like, it's the upper thighs were at a slight angle to the shins, which I find really odd because any human doing that would be very peculiar. What kind of posture did it have for the upper part of its body, if you noticed? Well, let's put it this way. The back, now I'm going by memory many, many years, the back was a slightly, very broad shoulder,

but if you look at the back, slightly curved, like when I say curved, like it looked more sort of convex. So like a very heavy, very, very heavy. I wouldn't say, and it wasn't, yeah, the upper posture wasn't like erect, like you see a man standing erect. It wasn't erect. It was slightly, I wouldn't say hunched, but slightly forward, but not like a, you know, when we stand erect with our shoulders pulled all the way back. No, not like that, not one bit. Did you notice, did it have a neck at all to it? Or how? No. no, absolutely no visible neck. No, that's what was really funny.

It was so solid on the head and the, on the shoulders that I definitely didn't see that any sign of, if it was a neck, very short neck, but a very muscular neck, but no, not like a human neck. Any visual ears that you remember? No. They might, I'm sure there must be like a con note, but definitely not, not like our ears, stick out or like some of our humans, no. So thinking of the arms and then thinking of the hands, how far down did the, let's say, like, the fingers go on the rest of the body? You see, it's again like that one I saw on Tinker Tunker.

That's why it also struck me when I saw Tinkatunker's video that stone thrower. Arms are extremely long, much longer than any human I've seen. I mean, if you're talking long, I'd say, I might come to be there. certain, but I'd say beyond the knee. But I'd say, I'd say the arms were, how do I put it? Longer, seemed to be even longer than the legs. What I found was that, funnily enough, seeing its lower legs didn't seem to be as huge as the upper part of the body. The torso or the arms.

So the arms were very, very long, but very thick. I mean, I don't know how to describe it. Like when I looked at, you know, I've seen bodybuilders and weight trainers, but there's nothing compared to this. From what I could, you know, from what we could see, that's why I was amazed because I thought, when I first saw it, I thought this is a massive bear, but then we realized it wasn't a bear. Was the entire creature covered with hair or fur, or did you notice there are parts that were not covered?

See, what's really funny, because of the conditions, the distance, whatever light there was, it seemed blackish. But when I say blackish, maybe. very dark brown with certain tints like in certain where the light might have been hitting

or whatever there was so if it's like a matte completely matte uniform black like you see shiny black not necessarily I mean it might have been

little tints of slightly very dark brown but that that was an overall color it was very dark brown to blackish but I couldn't see like in between parts of skin

not that I remember like you know like where the hair is fluffed up and the skin is visible through no So over the years, you've had probably so many times of looking, observing wildlife in its natural habitat. Did watching this creature remind you of any other creatures that you had seen? Or maybe you're like, wow, this is way different than other things that I've seen before?

I think this was the strangest experience I've had. I've never come across a cryptid. Some people say, well, this is a cryptid, right? An unknown, unverified species. So this is the first time I've ever come across a cryptid. But, yeah, I mean, the sense that, you know, that we have a long-lost relative, if you like, or lost link in the chain of human sort of ape evolution. But then again, you know, when I spoke to a lot of these anatomists and biologists that I know,

in some of the organizations I worked for, what they said to me is, well, hang on, when you think of it, there were so many homo species, so many, Homo rectors, homo habilis, I mean, names I can't even recall. They're a vast number. And it's how is it that they all became extinct, except for Homo sapiens? And why should they have become extinct?

Because there were many areas of the world that Homo sapiens didn't infiltrate necessarily. I mean, we know about Neanderthal and Denisovians. Okay, fine. But the earth is still huge. It was huge then. It's still huge. And it comes back, Jeremiah, to what I was saying earlier.

Russia, 13 million square kilometers, Siberia, on which there are millions of, the area of forest in Siberia that is untouched, that is unexplored, is the size of India, at least, at least, 3 million square kilometers. And you're telling me in that, there's the possibility of there not existing something like this arises. I mean, nonsense. If you take China, China is 9 million square kilometers in size.

It's the same size as Canada or USA. It's got a million square kilometers of forest, protected forest, which is five times the size of the UK. So when you look at the figures and you look at the statistics or how much forest there is in the world, how much is still unexplored or inaccessible, and how possible it is to support species like even Bigfoot, even with a 7, 8 feet, 300, 500, 800,

hundred pounds. It's very viable. And why is it? Why is it that this is where the sightings are occurring? Take the Yawi in Australia, in northern Australia. Again, vast forests. Queensland, Darwin, a lot of the areas haven't been explored northern territories. There's hardly any population there. I think, what, the total area of Australia, which is seven million square kilometers, which is twice the size of India, total population is, what, 30 million? And it's all concentrated around the coastal areas. So taking that into account, when people say, well, there's a Yaui, it's entirely viable, entirely viable. And rather than have a world have an open mind, because I think what it is, is everyone's more focused on spending money on, let's protect elephants, let's protect tigers, let's protect these animals because we know they exist. and we've got resources definitely allocated to protecting these species.

So let's make that a priority. But I think there needs to be some organization that creates a fund for the protection and preservation of this animal too. Absolutely. Because before it disappears, and it can disappear through a whole, and how is it now that with these forest fires that we're having in North America, with more sort of lumber mining going on and expansion of cities and things,

that people are having more sightings. That's not a coincidence. It's a very fact that as we're going more and more into their territory, they can't stay elusive in every single spot all the time. So yeah, definitely I'm convinced it exists. I wasn't convinced maybe 20, 25 years ago, whatever. I'm 100% convinced now. And I'll stake my whole reputation on it

and working with, as I still do in wildlife circles here and elsewhere, I know some of the top people in wildlife know me, like W. Banks, David Attenborough, John Burton, who's now passed away CEO of London's illogical society, very prestigious position, right? And Dr. David Chivers from Cambridge University in England, one of the top primatologists in the world, why would they also share the same views as I do? So, yeah, and that's my take on the whole thing, Jeremiah. It does trouble me. It troubles me because I think that, you know, when you've had an experience, you know, not think, you know that this thing exists.

And as a lawyer, doing all the, you know, putting all the evidence together. And it frustrates me that not more people are taking it seriously. I agree with you that they're, and so the people in the community, I think we look at it as, okay, once it's discovered, that's when the conservation happens. Do you agree with that or do you think it needs to start before it's, it's, it's, discovered? I think it needs to start before it's discovered. And I'll give you one example.

If you take the Javan tiger, it was declared extinct about 30 years ago. But there have been sightings of this animal in the recent, especially in the last five, 10 years. Again, because, you know, Java, this island in Indonesia, is one of the most densely populated for its size and there's been more, more mining, more, more deforestation. And so I think that's also resulted in more sightings of an animal which was thought to be extinct that was hiding out these long claves. So again, there's no photographic evidence. It's just on the basis of what's very reliable, credible testimonial evidence.

But at the moment, they're doing everything to create a fund to protect it because they believe it does exist. And before it disappears, it has to be protected. That's the point. Before something disappears, you have to do something. You can't wait until it's on the point of disappearing to then think, well, okay, we'll do something. because now we believe it might exist. I feel like in the U.S., the scientific community

does not take the topic of Sasquatch seriously at all. At least that's, I feel, what the community, the Bigfoot community feels. In order for, let's say, the wildlife, the world wildlife community or the conservation effort, what would it take for

them to really take it as, serious. Would it take a type specimen captured or or killed or DNA evidence or do you have any thoughts about that? Yeah, that's a good point, Jeremiah. That's what they say. I mean, I've heard them say, well, we need a body. We need a corpse. We need a car before we can say that it exists. Because they seem, they seem not to have accepted the DNA, which I find incredible, because there's been a lot of DNA that has been submitted. A lot of top institutions have admitted, have admitted that certain, not all, Lurbs, certain hair samples, don't match any identified species on Earth.

So what does that say? That's evidence in itself. We don't need a body. Because what would the body do? The body would just have a picture of this creature. But then you'd still have to look at the, you know, the, it could be a fake body, couldn't it? It could be something that someone has contrived and put together some creature from whatever. So, or some special effects.

I don't know what, dull. So they'd still have to look at the organs and do the analysis. It's like these Mexican mummies they found of these aliens. They didn't just look at their creature. They went and then examined the DNA. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts

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Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. But when our DNA is showing us, and the other guy that I find is very convincing is Jeff Meldrum. I think it's Jeff, who's from Idaho University. And, you know, when he's looked at the cast of the feet and looked at the dermal ridges on the soles of the feet and say, well, hang on, how can these dermal ridges? So if it's a fake cast, they'll have to make sure it has a sort of a plastic thing on the foot. So when this thing is moved across the ground, it changes. so that it looks like the, you know, like the domer ridges or on the feet that are very plastic and pliable. But then the other thing about that evidence is who goes into a forest, places a cast, a foot, a fake foot on the ground,

that makes an impression of maybe a couple of centimeters and on an inch, on a ground that you and I, stamping on, wouldn't be able to make an impression on. And then continues it is for like a kilometre, through creeks, through riverbeds, uphill, downhill, without leaving any other traces, right? So you'd have to have somebody with a machine, he's sitting on top of the machine, and he's jumping on this machine to break these. Just not feasible.

It's just not feasible, right? And then just for them to turn around and say, oh, no, it could be a, it's a fake footprint. I agree. A lot is fake. I'm not saying there isn't. I believe a lot of the videos are fake. I think 99% are fake,

but you can't dismiss the 1%. So DNA evidence, a lot of these footprints showing the doma ridges, is highly convincing evidence. And I think think Kitanker, I think thinkerunka is a guy who, I mean, I've watched a lot of videos, but he's the one person where the analysis he's done on a number of videos has also backed up a lot of the evidence that we have.

And by the way, evidence is that to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. It's threefold. literary, it's testimonial and it's physical. And we've got the physical. We've got the physical by way of the DNA, which no one wants to really talk about, but there is that DNA saying it's an undetentified creature. We've got the dermal, the feet, rinse.

We've got a lot of the video stuff that we've seen with the analyses. And then we've got the eye witness accounts. And by the way, when I talk of eyewitness accounts, as you know, Jeremiah, I'm talking about going back hundreds if not thousands of years, going back to the original inhabitants, who are saying this is not a mythical creature, this creature exists. And from the first explorers who came to America, similarly saying that they've seen it or they knew about it,

the scientific community is just a very blinket, and it needs to stop being blinkered, because we know science is also not a constant change. That's the great thing about science, is to be able to integrate new belief systems and to allow people to collate the evidence to prove those belief systems. Being a wildlife conservationist, Are there certain things that Americans should be doing to kind of set the foundation for the time when there is and something, let's say there is a specimen taken in southeast Oklahoma?

When that happens and it becomes mainstream, we have to be extremely on it very quick or it's just all going to fall apart. Like we need to have our foundation in place, I feel. Yeah, I think you're right because we don't know what will happen in those circumstances. I do remember, and it comes back to coming back to what you're saying, there was a case, I've seen the video, where a ranger in one of the parks in America, I can't remember which one it was, maybe Yellowstone or something, but I'm not sure. And he was interviewed. And he said, no, we've seen this creature.

We know it exists. but we were told by a boss that if you tell anybody and you produce the evidence, you'll lose your jobs. That's the problem, right? That you're involving so many other than organizations. It involves the police. It involves forensic scientists. It involves the government.

And it's they who make the decision, right? What should we do? Should we dispose of the body? Should we put it into storage? Should we further investigation is made? So you need to have something under the law. And I know that the laws are such now that. that freedom of information, public information, should allow anyone in America to say no,

if this is something that's been found like a Bigfoot, it's in the interest of the public of the United States and who are taxpayers who are members of under the Constitution to know what this is and to be able to see it and for representatives of the public, whoever there may be, the Bigfoot Society, to come and make their own determinations and get an injunction and say, well, if you try to dispose of this or you try to destroy the evidence, it's, it's, potentially it's a it's a criminal act i don't know much about but see the great thing about america has a great constitution and it allows for this right and the very first laws that allowed uh disclosure of evidence for benefit of the public all this but came

from america right and it's better that it's found in america than i think anywhere else uh so because we have the safeguards in america that you don't have in most other countries in the world, to be brutally honest with you. I think the problem, Jeremiah, we have too many fragmented organizations in the world. I'm not just talking in America. If you look at our Bigfoot organizations, it's very heterogeneous. There's so many different societies. You need something to come together. You need many societies to come together to form a corpus and say, well, look, we all, let's share our evidences, let's share our experiences, and let's form from that a corpus of data. that's common to all. And then we know this is one, two, three, four, five. And I think what we've also

got to show the public is, if they say, oh, how come it doesn't, you know, we don't see it, it's such a big creature, we've got to be able to show them why. And I can tell you why, being in jungles all over the world, I've been trekking for hours and hours to see certain animals, and I haven't seen animals that should be visible. Because when you go into the tea, how many people have been trekking? I mean, you've been trekking, I've been trekking in the Rockies, I've been trekking in mountains and the Andes and the Himalayas, when you're trekking in these places, you go in a certain places you can't trek. You just can't. I mean, you just haven't got the equipment to do it. I mean, you're talking of, I'll give an example. In India, we have grass called elephant grass.

It grows to about 20, 30 feet. It's very thick. It's very compacted. An elephant can't even move through parts of that elephant grass. Even that, even for an elephant, it doesn't have the strength sometimes to move through those, those grassy areas. And it's so thick that you can't see any animals. And yet tigers live sometimes in there, leopards live there. Pythons that are 15, 20 feet live in these same grassy patches, which nobody sees. So we've got to dismiss this argument. Oh, but, you know, hang on, wait a minute, guys.

How come, you know, we've been here for hundreds of years, and this animal's eight feet, tour, we haven't seen it. I say, yeah, have you been inside these areas? Which color tens of thousands of square kilometers? Dense forests, deep gorges. Can you trek through that? Can any human trek through that? How many people have been there? And you think an animal like that can't survive? It's got a abundance of species. And, Jeremiah, you know better than I do, right? If you go to the Rockies, you go to America, there's such an abundance of food source in these forests. You know, you've got in summer dandelions,

flowers, berries. There's a vast amount of food for these animals to survive on. I mean, bears can survive. Brown bears, grizzlies that way at a thousand pounds, eight feet tall can survive. Just by the plant matter

that's in these forests. So I think we need to be able to tell people, look, try to get rid of these preconceived notions in your mind. And have an open mind. How can there only be

one species of homo in this world and apes. What about in between? We know there were Australopithecines. Millions of years ago, there was not just humans. There were Australopithecines. And then there were apes. And australopithecines were between the two. So in other words, they could walk unlike apes, but like humans,

they could walk for continuously, for long distances, or even permanently. but like apes, they couldn't lock their knees. So when they walked and they had more the dimensions of apes, like, for example, shorter legs, longer torso than a human, longer arms, exactly what I saw. What I saw was more like an osteopithecine. It was like that species intermediate between apes and humans, that intermediate evolutionary gap, which we haven't studied enough.

So, yeah, I think that's what we need to do. The sighting of the creature in Kenanaskis, when you saw that and you were able to see it move, did that affect you in any way emotionally? How did you feel at that time? 100%. Well, I felt, first of all, I felt just so utterly frustrated that I couldn't record it visually. Because I wasn't, you know, this wasn't a trip for photography, frankly. Because, you know, Canaanascus at that time, I mean, that time, seeing any animals, wild animals, and I've seen enough of the wild animals, you know, mountain goats and what you call you, a big horn sheep, you know,

basically the prospects of seeing bears wasn't that great in Canaanascus, although I have seen them since. So my frustration was I didn't have the equipment with me to take, which I normally take, to do photography, to be able to capture this. But then I realized that it wouldn't have been a very good picture because I wouldn't have had a good enough view or longer time enough view to focus and take a picture. So there was a frustration. Maybe it was my ego.

Oh, my God. But it was also, yes, it was a frustration at knowing that this thing exists and I've seen it and not discussing it with a lot of people, apart from some of my friends that I was with, that I discussed it with. And one of them also who was from the States, who actually came to visit and himself couldn't believe

what he said and they actually wanted to become a doctor so he's last person and he told me I don't really want to talk about this because people will think I'm a bit crazy

and in my line of profession I don't really want to be looked on so I said okay fine but you know you know what you saw I know what I saw and what the others saw that's all that's important now you know that we have to create awareness of the fact this thing exists.

But yeah, I was very frustrated. I felt very... I did feel emotional here. Because I thought, this is amazing. I'd been... But, you know, I still was of the view that I didn't really know what I'd seen. It all was very confused.

And because I just didn't know what it was. I knew that it wasn't a man, I knew it wasn't a human. And it was something in between, but what? But then I've compared all my other experiences as well, and I'm now 55 years old, right? So I'm not like one of these guys who's youngster who's there to prove himself, oh, you want to get some fame and credit.

No, I don't. I just want to be able to tell people that this thing, in my opinion, does exist. And that there will be more sightings. There definitely will be more sightings. And it's happening. It's happening as we speak. I just saw recently in Banff, these campers who had put out camera and they were night camera and it shows the video of this massive creature standing by

their tent at night about two or three in the morning over the tent size of which is huge not a bear not a human because you can see the fingers you can see the hands this is of a again with unidentified hominid creature so we're having these experiences and they're becoming more and more common people are signore more and more. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is the number one OBGYN recommended brand and the only one that you can find

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Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. Would you ever want to see one again if you had the chance? Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I would like to protect it as well. and I think it needs to be protected. And I think, you know, the states are doing a good job, Jeremy.

I think Washington State, I believe, they already have signs that, you know, like for the Bigfoot, like Bigfoot crossing. See, the great thing about the United States is open-minded, right? That's why it's gone ahead so much technologically, so much in terms of in every way, every sphere of modern advancement, because it's always had an open mind to discuss, to bring new ideas and to explore, but that type of open-mindedness doesn't exist in a lot of other parts of the world. But I will mention one other thing. If you look at, I'm sorry, I hope I'm not going off your question, just that just occurred to me. Oh, you're good. There was a very famous

case in Russia, which everyone I'm sure knows about, who's a bigfoot enthusiast, called the Dietloff incident in Russia. And diet, diet, of occurred in 1959 where some students from Moscow, they went deep into the Ural Mountains on an expedition, geological expedition. Nothing was heard from them, and they seemed to have disappeared. An expedition was sent out, and they were all found dead. What was very odd was some of them had their eyes gouged out, some of them looked like they'd been assaulted and attacked and killed. So the Russians put it down through the fact that it was probably a freak accident, an avalanche or something else. Of course, there was no sign of avalanche, and that was dismissed.

Then they said there might have been some testing of some weapons nearby, the fallout of which killed them. No such evidence. Then evidence was found on one of the cameras of one of the victims who died, because none of them survived, by the way. When they developed that film, the film showed a creature from a tree, coming from a tree, line approaching the camp, huge creature, which to this day they have not been able to prove it as being a hoax or a fake whatsoever. They don't know what it is. So the theory is that they were attacked by some creature or creatures that they're not known

to science and they were killed. And the fact is that the Russians dismissed it. But then a secret expedition was sent out by the... Russian government to look for evidence of these creatures. It was all kept top secret. If you speak to any of the ex- Soviets today or whatever may be, people who may be who left Russia or even still living there, they say no, it was a big cover-up. The Russians were convinced that these people were killed and they were killed by something that was not known to science, by creatures that are not known to science. So, Dhanlov is very, very bizarre because

there's no other way these people could have died. They couldn't have died through Ablange. They couldn't have died through military attacks or anything of the kind. So we'll kill them. I mean, no wolves and bears would have killed the whole, every one of them in the way that they were killed. So, you know, I think that there will be a lot more sightings of this creature. And in fact, I'm intending to go back again to North America. myself to go and explore these areas around Calgary like Canaanaskis where a lot of sightings have been Banff, Camor.

And I know even in Yellowstone, incidentally, I was in Yellowstone in June, May, sorry, end of May. And I was speaking to some of the ranges. And I said, oh, I saw that video near Old Faithful, that sort of in that vicinity where in the winter they showed these three huge creatures walk in the background. And I said, oh, do you know what that is? What was it? Was it? He said, we don't know. It's very puzzling.

He told him, he said, we don't know what it is. I said, it's very odd. So it wasn't bad. It doesn't it? No. I said, could it be too tall to be humans, do you think? Even he agreed. That's funny.

So, yeah, so they know. They know, they know, but they're not telling people, right? Oh, they absolutely know. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they know. When you look at the evidence, right, that now that you're talking of 30, 99,000 square kilometers is the greater Yellowstone area. And then 89,000, if you take, 89,000, if you take the entire Montana, Wyoming, Idaho protected areas like Custer Gallatin, Lewis, Clark, Chichonet, Flathead Reserve Forest, all those areas together, 89,000 square kilometers.

You tell me, they couldn't be hundreds of these creatures easily, easily. easily with with mountains also that descent to 10 11 12,000 feet most of which is inaccessible I think those are some really interesting ideas or places for you to to look into when you come back over and you you may even want to look into southeast Oklahoma it it doesn't sound like it's interesting but nav start to look into the big foot of southeast Oklahoma like with the WAC and the wood apes that are seen there, and it will absolutely blow your mind. Yeah, check that out. It's a photo trip.

No, thank you. I'll definitely do that, Jeremiah. And I know coming back to the skunk ape also of Florida, see, that's another very interesting thing, because I've traveled through Florida extensively. So I've been to, I'm sorry, not the Everglades, but I've been to the near Ocala. I'm sorry, my mind is going. Yep, yep. Big forest.

I forget, I'm sorry, it'll come to me. But the huge forest area is, it's not just the south of Florida, even central Florida, has some very, very dense patches, skunk capes. And I was talking to some, I was talking to a police officer. I didn't mention this to you. I spoke to a police officer. He was from Dunellan. He was from Dunellan.

And he was about to retire. And we were talking, got to know him quite well. I'd been on a number of trips and I'd been to that place. And I met him. And I said, oh, the skunk cape, it's really, and he looked at me, he says, no, for sure it exists. And I said, oh, you're just having me or not? You're just saying that because you're a joke. He goes, no, we've had people who've seen something and it's definitely not.

So I'm trying to think, Jeremiah, there's a forest, you know, Carla, I can't remember the name. It's a huge forest, vast forest in central floor. He'll come to me, but all within this vicinity. And he said, no, no, we've had people campers who've gone camping and they've seen an hour day. And they got so frightened, they just picked up their stuff and they left. Are you sure it's not a bear? Some of these guys, you said, he said, some of these guys are like six foot five and three hundred pounds. So he said, you know, why would he get so nervous?

Absolutely. You may be thinking, Ocala National Forest is quite big over by. Is that the one? Yeah, sorry. You know, I've been to these areas, but like, I'm trying to think, because I've been. I've been in the area, I've traveled a lot, and I've seen a lot of, a lot of forest. Again, very tropical looking, dense, dense forests. So, yeah, thank you for that suggestion.

I would love to do that. America's a great country, and I try to get that as frequently as I can. Got a lot of family there, a lot of relatives there. I think it's very open-minded, and I think it's, if we've got chances of ever of being able to discover this thing and to record it, it's going to be in America more than anywhere else. Absolutely. I don't have that hope, sadly, sadly, I don't have that hope for anywhere else. Because it's not the fact they don't have even the resources.

They don't have that open-mindedness. They don't have that sense of curiosity to explore. And because what I love about the States, there's an immense curiosity about everything. Let's find out. Let's get the answer to this. Let's go and search for the truth. But you don't have that in most of the places in the world. I couldn't have said it better myself, but Nav, what an incredibly interesting and motivating

conversation. I'm so glad that you reached out to me. No, thank you. That's very sweet of you. I thank you so much for giving me the great honor, the pleasure and the privilege of speaking to you. I really do. And I have to thank you more than you're thanking me because I think more thanks is due to

you. Thank you, Jeremiah. And I wish the best for your future expeditions, and please reach out if anything else when you're looking. I most certainly will do that, Jeremiah. Thank you so much. And I'd just like to say all those people who may be listening to this podcast, whatever, please keep an open mind.

I mean, if I can have an open mind, I have all people, everybody should and can't have an open mind because this thing definitely exists. The evidence is there. It's just that people are not prepared to accept the evidence for their. this, which they would, however, for other things. Thanks, Jeremiah. Thank you so much, Nav for coming on tonight. Thank you.

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