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Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Originally released as Episode 506 on 8/24/25.In this episode, Jeremiah with Bigfoot Society welcomes Nav, a seasoned wildlife conservationist from India, whose globe-spanning career has brought him face-to-face with extraordinary phenomena. Amidst his conservation efforts, Nav recounts spine-chilling encounters with unknown creatures, including a potential Orang Pendek sighting in Sumatra and a thrilling face-off with a mysterious being in the dense forests of Kananaskis in the Rocky Mountains of Alberta, Canada. Delve into Nav's gripping stories, his belief in undiscovered humanoid apes, and the compelling evidence supporting their existence. His accounts challenge conventional evolutionary theories and call for a unified, open-minded approach to uncover these cryptids before they vanish.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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Visit your nearby lows on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it, so settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever.

So stay with us. Hey, this is Bryce Johnson from Travel Channel's Expedition Bigfoot. You're listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast. The following interview takes place between myself in Iowa in NAV, a wildlife conservationist from India. That being said, there will be multiple audio quality issues, but please enjoy the actual content of this interview. And thank you for listening. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to NAV today. Nav is a wildlife conservationist from India.

It's a pleasure talking to you. today, Nav. You reached out to me through email. I think you even sent me some voicemails as well. Yeah, thank you, Jeremiah. Absolutely. Yes, thank you so much. I am really excited to talk to you tonight. It's, it's been a while getting this to work. It's 8.30 in Iowa, and it's 730 or 780 in India. Oh, right, you're in Iowa. Lovely. I've never been there. So another place I have to visit in the future. Absolutely. So, Nav, let's get right into it. I'd like to welcome me to share what you've experienced over the years as a wildlife conservationist. Yeah, I mean, it's a long story. I've always had a passion for wildlife. From the late teens, I was involved in working for various wildlife organizations, some very high profile, like an environmental investigation agency, which investigates the illegal trade incites endangered species.

So, Debbie Banks, who is one of the head campaigns there, I know very, very well, worked for for Florin, which is London Zoological Society. So I knew very well the CEO, John Burton, David Attenborough, you might know from BBC TV series. So International Rangetam Foundation, Ashley Lehman. So a lot of the top most high-profile conservationists working on endangered species, protection and preservation all over the world. I'm also a lawyer.

Well, I'm retired now, but I was a lawyer. So I used that to some extent to fuel that. of passion and help with those sort of whatever sort of campaigns I was I was doing. So I traveled all over the world. I've been to Indonesia, Southeast Asia, Malaysia, South America, India, obviously where I'm staying living now. I'm of Indian origin. Africa.

So in my pursuit of this passion of mine. Yeah. So you could say for 30 years, over 30 years. That's absolutely fascinating. It's just the information that you have is probably. More than I could ever even imagine of just being able to go to the different countries of the world. It's so fascinating, but it sounds like in your travels, you've had some sightings of some really interesting things that are not normal. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I couldn't come to terms with, because I was always brought up believing in Darwin's sort of theory of evolution, natural selection, you know, that everything was backed up by.

paleontology and archaeology and anthropology and certain species. That's really amazing, Jeremy. I had this sort of, I knew a couple of people when I was working, and one of them was, I forget her name, she worked for fauna, flora, international. I can't remember her name, my apologies. This is many years ago, and she had a very strange experience, and she had related it to me. And I said, well, what was the experience that you had? And she said, well, when I was in Indonesia, I actually saw a creature that was not a human. It was not an ape or monkey.

It was something in between. But it was definitely something that would be an unidentified unknown species. So I never thought about it. But bizarrely going to that same place myself, and it's called Karinji Seblad, by the way. it's a national park in Sumatra, one of the largest. And it's supposed to be the place where this creature called Orang Pendik occurs. So when you talk, when I went there, I'm talking of, this must have been almost 30 years ago, just under 30 years ago, sorry.

I stayed in the park. I went trekking. Not for looking for these creatures, by the way. I was looking for Siamang, which is a gibbon species, just to see how the park was. There were a lot of issues at that time about poaching, deforestation, and I wanted to see this for myself. So with a guy called Mr. Solock, who was a guide, we were trekking through some forest, dense forest,

but there was an open patch of grassland. In front of both of us, something ran very fast on two legs, two feet. So he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I said, well, do you know what could run that fast than two feet? It can't be a bear. I mean, some bear is an animal that occurs as a small. bear species, but it can't run for that distance. And we saw it. We didn't see it clearly, but we saw

like a head and something disappeared very, very fast. So I just brushed it off to tell you the truth. I know this lady I'd spoken to, it's seen it, but yeah, I mean, there's a lot of evidence of this orangut. The locals know of it. The villages know of it. And they definitely say it's not an orangutan, it's not a gibbon. It's something like it's like humanoid features, but it's something in between. So so what I'm saying is, Jeremiah, it's like

because I've been to so many places, how is it that in so many of the places of the world that I've been, people who are well-informed, people who are credible, who have actually said, no, there is something here. And,

you know, I've had so many other experiences, not like the one I had in Canaanaskis, by the way, that is undoubtedly the most bizarre, but I'll come to that later, or we will come to that. The other one was in India,

and everyone knows about the Yeti, And there's one place in northeast India. It's a state, actually. It's a state called Megalia. It's a small state. Most of it's forested. Most of it's very inaccessible. And it has a very, very small population.

And there's a place called Nukrek National Park. It's like a park. It's protected. So I had gone there with a guy called Philip Tarian, who was the tourism, one of a tourism offices. And I've actually been given his details by another charity that I used to work alongside with, which was Wildlife Trust of India, which, by the way, supported, you might know of it by, for International Fund for Animal Welfare.

And the reason why you visited this place is because, again, it was very rich in biodiversity. It was very important, very crucial for protecting. So when we were there for about a day, we went to one part of the forest. we were going to go trekking. But one of the forest officers said, I'm sorry, it's closed. So Philip and I said, why is it closed? What's happened? Why are the villages been relocated?

There were some villages that were situated inside that particular part of the park, but they were relocated out. And you could see the people outside, and they were sort of like with their belongings, or not belongings, but they're like, you know, little groups. And they look quite sort of disoriented. So I asked Philip, I said, well, you know, what's happened? and so he spoke in their language. These were Garrow people, like tribal people.

So they said they saw an animal that was not a bear. So again, in this area, you get maybe Himalian black bears and bears. They said it was much taller. It said it looked identical to a human, almost, almost, but was covered in hair. So what could it possibly be? I mean, I thought, are these people exaggerating? Are they sort of like believing in some mythical creature? Because, you know, when you believe in something that is mythical,

sometimes it almost becomes graphically, it becomes so in constant, your subconscious, you begin to see something which you believe, although it doesn't actually exist. And I discussed this with Philip, I discussed with others. So interestingly, here they call it Mandi Burum. So they have names for these creatures. And their names are different from what they have for bears or any other animals.

And they say, no, it exists. And that's why, but it's rare. But when we see it, yes, we get frightened because we don't know about how we'll interact with us. So that's just to give you sort of a background of those experiences and other people. I've come across many instances, by the way. I've not, if I'm not myself personally seeing things or of speaking to people who said, oh, no, no, this definitely exists. It's not a question of even if it does exist.

But we don't have the resources. we don't have the team work or the staff to go out into these very deep, inaccessible, forested areas to be able to locate these creatures. So that's just the kind of background, you know, in the past of my sort of experiences of these type of entities or whatever creatures. That's, I mean, that is fascinating. Has there been expeditions to try to look further into that creature, or is it really that remote where it hasn't really been looked into before?

Yeah, I mean, basically northeast India, extreme northeast. It's a very, very densely forested area. It's intractable, it's inaccessible, massively deep gorges. Just to give you some idea, if you try to walk into that forest, sometimes you can't see beyond one foot. It's that dense. So, you know, you need people with proper equipment to be able to go there, proper supplies.

And see, in India, we don't have those resources. We don't have, well, to be honest, to you, nowhere in the world, right? I mean, you can't take mechanized vehicles there. You can't take horses or ponies. Because, you know, the kind of topography is such that you're walking and very rugged Terran. And myself being a trekker, and I've done it trekking for a long time, I know these, how difficult it can be to even walk one or two kilometers, right,

because of the type of terrain. So yeah, they don't have the backing. They don't have the, because, you know, India has so many other problems. We have so many issues dealing with environment, with population, with whatever we do have that we're protecting by way of wildlife. So it's difficult to give attention to this. But if you look at the kind of topography, you can see that it's the kind of thing that would support and could support these animals. Because there's a lot of vegetation. There's a lot of food sources.

a lot of shade, a lot of water. And, you know, people will turn around and say, oh, but hang on, wait a minute. How can this support an animal that's so tall? And, you know, and I said, well, I've been to jungles in India. There are only maybe 50 to 100 square kilometers, but on which you get elephant herds. And I've never seen the elephants.

Because a jungle is so dense that, you know, and the elephants don't come out. They don't need to come out. They've got enough food. so that, you know, the assumption that, oh, because an animal is of a particular size, you should see it easily is absolute nonsense. And that's one thing I want to dismiss, because I hear it all the time. Oh, but, you know, if this animal is so huge, eight feet, nine feet, then you'd see it.

Well, I said, well, look, I've been through jungles in the world. I've been in jungles where they're elephants, they're banning, their gold, their tigers, you don't see them. You don't even hear them. And they're there, and these are small jungles. So on that basis, this is entirely viable. So yeah, a lot more work needs to be done, Jeremiah. A lot more work needs to be done to increase awareness of this creature.

And can I just say one thing? People forget that there's a lot of fossil evidence of these creatures in India because in the chivalics. So basically when the Himalayas were formed, when India, that's this part of, when India, the triangular shape, if you like, of the Indian India, broke off from Africa, gone to Aniland. And it smashed into the Asian. It formed the Himalya 60 million years ago. And from that point onwards, you had a lot of evolution of species and things. And in the Himalayas, there are foothills called the Chevalics.

In the Chevalics, they found fossils of the very first ape men, or if you like, apes called ramapithecines. And how interesting from that we get gigantic epithicus, the fossils, which were found in northeast India and China. So why is it not feasible that there should be some line that survived and which is manifested by these species today, if just within it, like the Yeti? And a lot of people say, oh, the Yeti is just a Tibetan blue bear. It's unidentified because they found a scalp in some Tibetan monastery in Nepal, which was, incidentally, that was of a bear. They believed it was a Yeti. So they dismissed it. But it's absolute garbage because Indian troops, Indian soldiers, officers who've been in the Himalayas at 20,000 feet, because, you know, they're patrolling that area against invasion. They've seen this animal. They've seen an animal that's not a bear. They said, no, it's not a bear. And which bear can walk erect for a period, for a distance of, sorry, a distance of one or two kilometers? No bear can do that. The bear might get up on its hind

legs and so on, but how can it walk for one, two, three, four kilometers? But these tracks have been seen in the Himalias. and the stride between the tracks and there's nothing around it so it's not like someone has gone around and faked it because if they did you see the signs of their footsteps or things around those tracks and there's nothing of the kind

and the pressure on the ice when they've looked at the pressure on the ice it has to be around 500 to 800 pounds because the ice is so compact and strong you need to have so much body weight to leave that type of an imprint so that's really the issue there just isn't the resources

I think there isn't really the interest because there's so many other issues. And that's why, I think. It's absolutely fascinating. You are a wildlife conservationist. Is part of what you're trying to do, prove these humanoid ape-type creatures that haven't been discovered yet? Or what is your relation to that? Yeah, good point, Jeremiah. The fact is I have an open mind for everything.

I do believe they exist. And that's part of the reason why I really want to go and try to find out more evidences, information. I know a guy very well, he's a very close friend of mine, Dr. David Chivers, he's a retired professor of veterinary anatomy from Cambridge University. He's been on the TV, he's been on radio, he's very, very well known in the circles.

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And he said, no, he said there is a lot of fake stuff out there, like the videos, but there's a lot that is very convincing. And I said, I agree with you. And I talked to him about a guy, you might know, Jeremy, thinker Tunker who does a wonderful YouTube channel. Of course, yeah. I think Katanka, if you look at his analysis, being in special effects, being in IT,

and knowing, you know, when something has been photoshopped or when something has been adulterated. But what I loved about Thinka Tanka, there were a couple of videos, and one of them was the Stone Thrower. I can't remember where it was. Was it Ohio or Utah? I'm sorry.

But they showed a creature. And when Thinkatanka does analysis, i.e., he looks at the length of the arm of the creature. He says, okay, even if it's a man in a fake suit, he'd have to have an arm length that equates to that of an ape. And because apes have longer arms, right? They have shorter torsos than we do. But sorry, did they have shorter, longer torsos but shorter legs and longer arms. And it fit all the dimensions. But what really got me was when he showed this creature sitting down, the metatars.

bone and the foot. So we know basically we can't bend the arch of our foot, soul of our foot in half. Sorry, if that makes sense. So only the ape, an ape, and it can do that, it can bend its foot downwards. So it's like in half. So bend all midst its soul or its arch in half. And when I saw that actually on the video and he's zooming in, I thought that is just bizarre. Because no human being, monkey suit, no monkey suit could do that, let alone have those dimensions, those physical proportions that I described earlier. And then that was one video. The other one that was written,

and this is what got me interested. That's why I contacted you. Because I had dismissed what I'd seen, as I described in my first contact with you. But when I saw that video of the contractors in Canaanascus, a couple of years ago, I saw this huge creature, chuck a 20-foot tree, some 40, 50 feet distance.

And you could see the bowl of the little earth at the end where the roots were. see it was a tree. That convinced me because the analysis that thinkataka did was just, first you can see the shadow of this creature, which is at least eight to nine feet. And the way picks this thing up and throws it. And the way he does the analysis, and he gives the weight of the tree, he gives the height of the tree, he says it doesn't matter even if you are the strongest pole voltaire in the world. You wouldn't be able to throw that object even a few feet, let alone pick it up and throw it in the air. So when I take all this evidence, and this,

There's much more, by the way. I'm sorry, I'm just giving you ones that come immediately to my mind. Then I think, yes, of course, this creature exists. And we're not talking about it because there are a number of reasons. And the reasons I believe, Jeremiah, it challenges traditional evolutionary theory because we're taught to believe that, you know, I don't know what you think, but we're taught to believe that, like humans, we evolved and all our other competitors died out. And there's just the apes and the humans. And it suits these orthodox people who believe in that, right? Secondly, it challenges all mainstream religions, because even if you look at a lot of orthodox religions, they don't want to believe there's, see, we believe in Adam and Eve. The Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, they believe in Adam and Eve. That man was formed in God's form.

So when we start talking about these ape-like creatures, to some extent, it challenges a lot of the religious ideology in monk circles, right? Thirdly, these creatures occupy vast swathes for, I mean, if you take of Russia, the Siberian Yeti, and you might have seen the one on YouTube, this family are in the woods, and they see this huge creature swinging through the trees. And it's amazing. It's another amazing video. There's no, it's not a hoax. People have looked at it. It's not a chimpanzee. It's a three, two, three times of size of a chimpanzee. But when you look at the, um, sorry, the Siberia, Siberia is 13. One of the chimpanzee. three million square kilometers in size. Can you imagine that?

So in other words, Siberia, if you take USA's 9 million square kilometers or Canada similarly, so it's about, what, one and a half times the size of USA or Canada, just Siberia within Russia, most of which is forested. Millions of square kilometers of that, at least several million is forested. So when you take all these forested areas, specifically. Similarly, in the United States, like I was just looking the other day. I just come back from Yellowstone, actually, a month ago. I was in Yellowstone National Park and Tetons and all that.

So I passed through that area coming from the Waterton side of Canada Glacier side. And I just passed through a fragment of what is supposed to be an area that covers 89,000 square kilometers. So that's not just the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, which is 39,000. It's all the other forests like Custer Gallatin, Lewis, Clark, Shoshone. All these together come to 89. So, you know, Jeremiah, we're talking of a vast area, right? I mean, the UK is only 220,000 square kilometers. This is 89,000.

So you're telling me in that vast area, huge area, you can't have these animals roaming around. What nonsense? Of course you can. And that's especially my experience of being all over the world and looking, chasing huge animals, which would be hidden in smaller fragments. But I think the other reason is that a lot of these areas are very rich. They're rich in minerals. They're rich in timber.

A lot of the commercial interests know that in this creature exists, these areas could be declared as national parks or protected areas. It means that are off limits to commercial ventures. So it suits a lot of the big corporates not to have this species verified as existing. Because what it does, it then means that, well, these areas that were ripe for exploitation, commercially, industrially for mineral resources, now becomes more difficult. The other reason I believe that, I'm saying this because I think people inside the government do know it exists, but these are reasons possibly why it's not being disclosed.

The other reason is I think that if this creature was verified by means that it can be verified by, it would probably lead to trophy hunters, hunting, poaching, because you can imagine, right, there's a new animal in existence. We know it's been identified. Oh, wow. Why don't we kill one, catch one? Why don't we try to find where it is? A lot of people going into this forested areas, uncontrolled. So I think there's a lot of, and yes, it could be that, you know, there are other reasons too, but I think there are a lot of factors why institutions, establishments don't want us, don't want us to know that this exists. I'm not a conspiracy theory believer, but I feel that there's a lot of reasons why it shouldn't

be known to exist. Absolutely. While we're around this topic, you know how, I'm sure you keep to date with the news that may be in the US, but over the last few years, there's been a, well, really a disclosure of the UFO or UAP phenomenon. Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. us towards that on the Bigfoot side of things? Very good point, Jeremiah. I don't really know because the UFO doesn't impact us on a day-to-day basis. Why I think the information on the truth of the Bigfoot is a little bit more compromised. It's because I think, as I said before, it occupies the land that we share, we human share with the environment.

Very rich lands. And there are two reasons. If it gets protected, it means it's a no-go. area for the big corporates, commercial companies, mining companies. It challenges a lot of what so does UFO about orthodoxy, about religion and everything, because that also does. I agree with you. So I think that with the big foot, it's probably, and the other thing is that you see UFOs, we can see them in the sky, right? Anyone, you know, they're in the sky, they're more visible, it's in the open, but something that's deep in the forest of the earth and the bowels of the earth,

That's more difficult to be able to say, well, here we go. Here's the evidence. And the other thing people have said is, oh, but there's no body. There's no corpse. There's no, what about aliens? Have they produced an alien corpse? I mean, I know they've got these little mummies from Peru. Right.

That's come in the news. And they said, oh, we believe that this is definitely, because it's not human DNA. But look at this. I mean, does it mean because you don't have a physical body? I'm telling you as a lawyer as myself that the evidence does exist. No nonsense. I give you a perfect scenario. What about murder cases where people have been murdered, they haven't found the body,

but the person who's accused of murder him has still been convicted on the other evidence. So you've got to look at all the other evidence. You've got to look at all other evidence. Is it still provable beyond a reasonable doubt that Bigfoot exists? Or is it just circumstantial? Like I say, no, it's not circumstantial. The other evidence does sure it exists. And when DNA has been taken by,

by way of fur samples and they've been submitted to laboratories, what really annoys me is a laboratories come back and say, oh, it's, we can't, it's, it's contaminated. I mean, what garbage? What absolute garbage? I mean, either you know that it is a bear or something else or not. I mean, if it's contaminated and so many samples have been given, but why is it laboratories, most of them are coming back and saying,

well, we can't really determine what this is, But you can determine other fur samples. If I bring cat samples in or tiger samples or bears, how many times have they said, oh, this is contaminated? Or when you and I give our DNA, do they say, oh, it's contaminated or this or that? So I think that there is a cover up. I don't know really why there's a cover up, because I think that their own means of getting round this. whether they feel this animal may be very

in a very delicate situation by way of numbers that if we give too much information out we're concerned that it'll lead to people going in and looking for it because it exists here and Earth there's not like UFOs

that come from outer space you know its survival could be compromised I don't really know Jeremiah but the evidence is too compelling about its existence in my opinion far too compelling It is a fascinating conversation. And but I would like to let's start looking into, it sounds like you've had really interesting, I mean, interactions or you've seen things even more intense than what you saw in Sumatra.

Oh yeah, yeah. In Kananaskis, it was many years ago. and I was with some friends. And it's really funny. I passed the spot where I was just there recently. I passed the very same spot, which is really as you go on the, it's a Route 40.

It's called the Kalinascus Trail Route 40. So as you go inside Kalinascus and you travel on this area for, it's many, many kilometers, I don't know how many kilometers, maybe 50, 60 kilometers. So it's on either side, dense forests.

And you can see the forest. It sort of goes for miles and miles, and it joins the slopes of these rockies and the foothills. In between, in between and little patches, you have little open patches of where the rivers are, or creeks are willow breaks. And that's when I saw this creature. And you know how when you first see something?

Your eyes are trying to focus because your first thing that goes to your brain is your eyes are not really being able to assimilate. what you're seeing because your brain is not interpreting according to what the brain already processes as known information, if you know what I mean. And seeing this creature, which we did, and I said it wasn't for a very long time, but it was for a sufficiently long time to see

that it definitely wasn't a human, it definitely wasn't a bear. And what else could be that height, that stature, that color, unless it was an identified species. And we were all gobsmacked. And the fact is that, you know, we couldn't interpret what it was. And in Canonaskis, there's a information center which you can visit. And you can speak to the staff or whatever.

But the fact is a lot of the people there, they don't want to believe. And where would you have the evidence to be able to go and say, well, you know, I've seen something. And it was definitely this. And here's a photo. Because everything is dependent on having photographic evidence. And at that time, you know, we weren't carrying cameras around or phone cameras and such as the experience that you don't have the time to be able to record it, right? It's not just something. Here it is.

I've seen animals. I do wildlife photography as well. And I see animals and sometimes I'm looking at them for so many seconds, but I still don't have the time to focus and take a picture, right? And record it because of the light or because of the movement and everything else. What I saw was definitely what a lot of people report as having seen, it sort of fit that criteria. Very dark, blackish brown in color, very heavy set, very tall. Couldn't see the features clearly, but the head was like definitely, it wasn't like a gorilla. When people say like a silver back gorilla, then there's no comparison to that.

But thick set, like, you know, big head, but not like a gorilla, silver back head with a big sagittal crest, no. but broad shoulders and their arm length and everything, and it definitely was not a bear. 100%. And if it were a man, again, it would have to be... See, the height is... And that's a thing. It's very difficult to determine a height at that distance from the road

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AMA Health versus hype.org. That's AMAHealthVShype.org. But it wasn't just the height, it was the body measurements. It was like the size of the shoulders, the chest, the legs, the length of the arms, no human. And it would have to be, I mean, it would have to be some type of suit that would be designed by, I don't know what, because the way that you could see the fur and everything move on that body, no suit, no fake suit or maid suit could do that. So just to make sure I have the scene set, when you're looking at the creature, are you seeing it dead on or are you seeing a side view and it's moving across? At the time, it was brief. So I didn't see it front on.

I didn't see it front on as far as I can recall. I saw it, but I saw it side on and I saw it move. Yeah. So I didn't see its face. Okay. Yeah, I didn't see its face clearly. But all I can remember is seeing it side on and the back of the backside of it. It sounds like you had the ability to see muscles moving under the fur.

If I don't muscle, see a kind of a mass, yeah, a mass that was significant. Yeah, the fur definitely wasn't a suit. How far away would you? Would you guess? Again, it's hard. I know I put on my thing because now, because it wouldn't, it would, 100 feet, maybe 80 to 100 feet. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Because we were on the highway. And when you go to Canaanasquez, these clearings, when you get out on the road, some of the clearings are very, like the, they're very close to the road. So the areas where you're looking at the wildlife sometimes. Like I've just seen, I just came back, I think I was telling me, I was in Canada, Canada and America just this last month. So I saw Grizzly Bear there 15, 20 feet away. Wow. So, but this was much, but this was, so when I compare to that, this was further, this was further than that.

This was much further than that. This wouldn't, and this wouldn't have been 40, this is more. I'd say about 80 to 100 feet. Yeah, just as it came, it moved, it moved. And that's another thing. It, the way that it moved, the stride. And what was really odd, when it was moving, it didn't like walk upright, completely erect with its legs completely straight.

There was like a slight bend in the legs, if you know what I mean. So in other words, like as though when it was walking, its knees were not locking, were not locked. So like it's the upper thighs were at a slight angle to the shins, which I find really odd because any human doing that would be very peculiar. What kind of posture did it have for the upper part of its body, if you noticed? Well, let's put it this way. The back, now I'm going by memory many, many years, the back was a slightly, very broad shoulder,

but if you look at the back, slightly curved, like when I say curved, like it looked more sort of convex. So like a very heavy, very, very heavy. I wouldn't say And it wasn't, yeah, the upper posture wasn't like erect Like you see a man standing erect It wasn't erect It was slightly, I wouldn't say hunched But slightly forward

But not like a, you know, when we stand erect With our shoulders pulled all the way back No, not like that, not one bit Did you notice, did it have a neck at all to it? No, no, absolutely no visible neck. No, that's what's really funny. It was so, solid on the head and the on the shoulders that I definitely didn't see that any sign of if it was a

very short neck but a very muscular neck but no not like a human neck any visual ears that you remember no they might I'm sure they must be like no but definitely not not like our ears stick out or like we some of our humans no so thinking of the arms and then thinking of the hands. Yeah. How far down did the, let's say, like the fingers go on the rest of the body? You see, it's, again, like that one I saw on Tinketunker. That's why it also struck me when I saw Tinkatunker's video that stone thrower.

Arms are extremely long, much longer than any human I've seen. I mean, if you're talking long, I'd say, I can't be certain, but I'd say be on the knee. but I'd say I'd say the arms were, how do I put it, longer, seemed to be even longer than the legs. What I found was that, funnily enough, seeing its lower legs, didn't seem to be as huge as the upper part of the body, the torso or the arms. So the arms were very, very long, but very thick.

I mean, I don't know how to describe it. Like when I looked at, you know, I've seen bodybuilders and weight trainers, but there's nothing compared to this. from what I could, you know, from what we could see. That's why I was amazed because I thought, when I first saw it, I thought this is a massive bear. But then we realized it wasn't a bear. Was the entire creature covered with hair or fur, or did you notice there are parts that were not covered? See, what's really funny, because again of the conditions, the distance, whatever light there was, it seemed blackish.

But when I say blackish, maybe very dark, brown with certain tints, like in certain where the light might have been hitting or whatever there was. So if it's like a matte, completely matte, uniform black, like you see shiny black, not necessarily. I mean, it might have been little tints of slightly very dark brown, but that was an overall color. It was very dark brown to blackish. But I couldn't see, like, in between parts of skin, not that I remember, like, you know, like where the hair is fluffed up and the skin is visible through. No. So over the years you've had probably so many times of looking, observing wildlife in its natural habitat.

Did watching this creature remind you of any other creatures that you had seen? Or maybe you're like, wow, this is way different than other things that I've seen before? I think this was the strangest experience I've had. I've never come across a cryptid. Some people say, well, this is a cryptid, right? An unknown, unverified species. So this is the first time I've never come across a cryptid. But, yeah, I mean, the sense that, you know, that we have a long-lost relative, if you like,

or lost link in the chain of human sort of ape evolution. But then again, you know, when I spoke to a lot of these anatomists and biologists that I know, in some of the organizations I worked for, what they said to me is, well, hang on, when you think of it, there were so many homo species, so many, homorectus, homo habilis, I mean, in names I can't even recall, they have a vast number. And it's how is it that they all became extinct, except for homo sapiens?

And why should they have become extinct? Because there were many areas of the world that homo sapiens didn't infiltrate necessarily. I mean, we know about Neanderthal and Denisovians. Okay, fine. But the earth is still huge. It's still huge. And it comes back, Jeremiah, to what I was saying earlier.

Russia, 13 million square kilometers, Siberia, on which there are millions of... The area of forest in Siberia that is untouched, that is unexplored, is the size of India, at least, at least, 3 million square kilometers. And you're telling me in that, there's the possibility of there not existing something like this arises. I mean, nonsense. If you take China, China is 9 million square kilometers in size.

It's the same size as Canada or USA. It's got a million square kilometers of forest, protected forest, which is five times the size of the UK. So when you look at the figures and you look at the statistics or how much forest there is in the world, how much is still unexplored or inaccessible, and how possible it is to support species like even Bigfoot, even with a 7, 8 feet, 300, 500, 800,000,

hundred pounds. It's very viable. And why is it? Why is it that this is where the sightings are occurring? Take the Yawi in Australia, in northern Australia. Again, vast forests. Queensland, Darwin. A lot of areas haven't been explored northern territories. There's hardly any population there. I think, what, the total area of Australia, which is seven million square kilometers, which is twice the size of India, total population is, what, 30 million? And it's all concentrated around the coastal areas. So taking that into account, when people say, well, there's a Yawi, it's entirely viable, entirely viable. And rather than have a world have an open mind, because I think what it is, is everyone's more focused on spending money on, let's protect elephants, let's protect tigers, let's protect these animals because we know they exist.

and we've got resources definitely allocated to protecting these species. So let's make that a priority. But I think there needs to be some organization that creates a fund for the protection and preservation of this animal too. Absolutely. Because before it disappears, and it can disappear through a whole, and how is it now that with these forest fires that we're having in North America, with more sort of lumber mining going on and expansion of cities and things,

that people are having more sightings. That's not a coincidence. It's a very fact that as we're going more and more into their territory, they can't stay elusive in every single spot all the time. So yeah, definitely I'm convinced it exists. I wasn't convinced maybe 20, 25 years ago, whatever. I'm 100% convinced now. And I'll stake my whole reputation on it

and working with, as I still do in wildlife circles here and elsewhere, I know some of the top people in wildlife know me, like W. Banks, David Attenborough, John Burton, who's now passed away CEO of London's Aological Society, very prestigious position, right? And Dr. David Chivers from Cambridge University in England, one of the top primatologists in the world, why would they also share the same views as I do? So, yeah, and that's my take on the whole thing, Jeremiah. It does trouble me. It troubles me because I think that, you know, when you've had an experience, you know, not think, you know that this thing exists.

And as a lawyer, doing all the, you know, putting all the evidence together. And it frustrates me that not more people are taking it seriously. I agree with you that they're, and so the thing, people in the community, I think we look at it as, okay, once it's discovered, that's when the conservation happens. Do you agree with that or do you think it needs to start before it's, it's, it's, discovered? I think it needs to start before it's discovered, and I'll give you one example.

If you take the Java and tiger, it was declared extinct about 30 years ago, but there have been sightings of this animal in the recent, especially in the last five, ten years. Again, because, you know, Java, this island in Indonesia, is one of the most densely

populated for its size, and there's been more, more mining, more, more deforestation. And so I think that's also resulted in more sightings of an animal which was thought to be extinct that was hiding out the little long clays. So again, there's no photographic evidence. It's just on the basis of what's very reliable, credible testimonial evidence. But at the moment, they're doing everything to create a fund to protect it because they believe it does exist. And before it disappears, it has to be protected. That's the point. Before something disappears, you have to do something.

You can't wait till it's on the point of disappearing to then think, well, okay, we'll do something because now we believe it might exist. I feel like in the U.S., the scientific community does not take the topic of Sasquatch seriously at all. At least that's, I feel, what the community,

the Bigfoot community feels. In order for, let's say, the world wildlife community or the conservation effort, what would it take for them to really take it as, serious. Would it take a type specimen captured or or killed or DNA evidence or do you have any

thoughts about that? Yeah, it's a good point, Jeremiah. That's what they say. I mean, I've heard them say, well, we need a body. We need a corpse. We need a car before we can say that it exists. Because they seem, they seem not to have accepted the DNA, which I find incredible because there's been a lot of DNA that has been submitted. A lot of top institutions have admitted, have admitted that certain, not all, LERB, certain hair samples, don't match any identified species on Earth. So what does that say?

That's evidence in itself. We don't need a body. Because what would the body do? The body would just have a picture of this creature, but then you'd still have to look at the, you know, it could be a fake body, couldn't it? It could be something that someone has contrived

and put together some creature from whatever. So, or some special effects, I don't know what, dull. So they'd still have to look at the organs and do the analysis. It's like these Mexican, They're looking mummies they found of these aliens. They didn't just look at their creature. They went and then examined the DNA,

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It doesn't ask questions. It doesn't give physical exams or order tests. Doctors do. At the American Medical Association, we believe the best care starts. with a real conversation with someone who understands the science and your unique health. So stay curious, ask questions, but when it's time to make decisions, make them with a doctor. Learn more at AMA Health versus hype.org. That's AMAHealthVShype.org. I think it's Jeff, who's from Idaho University, and, you know, when he's looked at the

castes of the feet and looked at the domal ridges on the soles of the feet and say, well, hang on, How can these dermal ridges, if it's a fake cast, they'll have to make sure it has a sort of a plastic thing on the foot. So when this thing is moved across the ground, it changes so that it looks like the, you know, like the domal ridges or on the feet that are very plastic and pliable. But then the other thing about that evidence is who goes into a forest, places a cast, a foot, a fake foot on the ground that makes an impression. of maybe a couple of centimeters and on an inch on a ground that you and I stamping on wouldn't be able to make an impression on. And then continues this for like a kilometer,

through creeks, through riverbeds, uphill, downhill, without leaving any other traces, right? So you'd have to have somebody with a machine, he's sitting on top of the machine, and he's jumping on this machine to break these. Yeah. It's just not feasible.

It's just not feasible, right? And then just for them to turn around and say, oh, no, it could be a, it's a fake footprint. I agree. A lot is fake. I'm not saying there isn't. I believe a lot of the videos are fake. I think 99% are fake. But you can't dismiss the 1%.

So DNA evidence, a lot of these footprints showing the domo ridges, is highly convincing evidence. And I think think Kinkatunker, I think Ketunker is a guy who, no, I mean, I've watched a lot of videos, but he's the one person where the analysis he's done on a number of videos. has also backed up a lot of the evidence that we have. And by the way, evidence is that to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. It's threefold. Literary, it's testimonial, and it's physical.

And we've got the physical. We've got the physical by way of the DNA, which no one wants to really talk about, but there is that DNA saying it's an undentified creature. We've got the dermal, the feet, rinse. We've got a lot of the video stuff that we've seen with the analyses. And then we've got the eye witness accounts. And by the way, when I talk of eyewitness account, as you know, Jeremiah, I'm talking about going back hundreds if not thousands of years, going back to the original inhabitants who are saying this is not a mythical creature, this creature exists. And from the first explorers who came to America similarly saying that they've seen it or they knew about it, the scientific community is just a very blanket.

And it needs to stop being blinked because we know science is also not a constant change. That's the great thing about science is to be able to integrate new belief systems and to allow people to collate the evidence to prove those belief systems. Being a wildlife conservationist, are there certain things that Americans should be doing to kind of set the foundation for the time when there is something, let's say there is a specimen taken in southeast Oklahoma? when that happens and it becomes mainstream, we have to be extremely on it very quick or it's just all going to fall apart. Like we need to have our foundation in place, I feel. Yeah, I think you're right because we don't know what will happen in those circumstances. I do remember, and it comes back to coming back to what you're saying, there was a case, I've seen the video, where a range. in one of the parks in America, I can't remember which one it was, maybe Yellowstone or something,

but I'm not sure. And he was interviewed. And he said that, no, we've seen this creature. We know it exists, but we were told by a boss that if you tell anybody and you produce the evidence, you'll lose your jobs. That's the problem, right, that you involving so many other than organizations, it involves the police, it involves forensic scientists, it involves the government. And it's they who make the decision, right? What should we do? Should we dispose of the body? Should we put it into storage? Should we to further investigation is made? So you need to have something under the law. And I know that the laws are such now that freedom of information, public information, should allow anyone in America to say, no, if this is something that's been found, like a big foot,

it's in the interest of the public of the United States and who are taxpayers, who are members of, under the Constitution, to know what this is. and to be able to see it and for representatives of the public, whoever there may be, the Bigfoot Society, to come and make their own determinations, and get an injunction and say, well, if you try to dispose of this or you try to destroy the evidence, it's potentially it's a criminal act. I don't know much about, but see, the great thing about America has a great constitution, and it allows for this, right?

And the very first laws that allowed disclosure of evidence for benefit of the public, all this, but came from America, right? And it's better that it's found in America than I think anywhere else. So because we have the safeguards in America that you don't have in most other countries in the world, to be brutally honest with you. I think the problem, Jeremiah, we have too many fragmented organizations in the world. I'm not just talking America. If you look at our Bigfoot organizations, it's very heterogeneous.

There's so many different societies. You need something to come together. You need many societies to come together to form a corpus and say, well, look, we all, let's share our evidences, let's share our experiences, and let's form from that a corpus of data that's common to all. And then we know this is one, two, three, four, five. And I think what we've also got to show the public is, if they say, oh, how come it doesn't, we don't see it. It's such a big creature. we've got to be able to show them why. And I can tell you why.

I've been in jungles all over the world. I've been trekking for hours and hours to see certain animals, and I haven't seen animals that should be visible. Because when you go into the tea, how many people have been trekking? I mean, when you've been trekking in the Rockies, I've been trekking in mountains, and the Andes, in the Himalayas.

When you're trekking in these places, you go into certain places you can't track. You just can't. I mean, you just haven't got the equipment to do it. I mean, you're talking of, I'll give you an example. In India, we have grass called elephant grass. It grows to about 20, 30 feet.

It's very thick, it's very compacted. An elephant can't even move through parts of that elephant grass. Even for an elephant, it doesn't have the strength sometimes to move through those grassy areas. And it's so thick that you can't see any animals. So yeah, tigers live sometimes in there, leopards live there. Pythons that are 15, 20 feet live in these same grassy patches,

which nobody sees. So we've got to dismiss this argument. Oh, but, you know, hang on, wait a minute, guys. How come, you know, we've been here for hundreds of years and this animal's eight feet tall, we haven't seen it? I say, yeah, have you been inside these areas? Which cover tens of thousands of square kilometers? Dance forests, deep gorges.

can you trek through that? Can any human trek through that? How many people have been there? And you think an animal like that can't survive? It's got an abundance of species. And Jeremiah, you know better than I do, right? If you go to the Rockies, you go to America, there's such an abundance of food source in these forests. You know, you've got in summer dandelions, flowers, berries. There's a vast amount of food for these animals to survive. I mean, bears can survive. Brown bears, grizzlies that way, at a thousand pounds. If you're talking, can survive just by the plant matter that's in these forests. So I think we need to be able to tell people, look, try to get rid of these preconceived notions in your mind and have an open mind. How can there only be one species of homo in this world and apes? What about in between? We know there were Australopithecines. Millions of years ago, there was not just humans, there were, australopithecines and then there were apes and australopithecines were between the two so in other words they could walk unlike apes but like humans they could walk for continuously for long distances or even permanently but like apes they couldn't lock their knees so when they walked and they

had more the dimensions of apes like for example shorter legs longer torso than a human longer arms exactly what I saw. What I saw was more like an osteopithesis. It was like that species intermediate between apes and humans, that intermediate evolutionary gap, which we haven't studied enough. So, yeah, I think that's what we need to do. The sighting of the creature in Kenanaskis,

when you saw that and you were able to see it move, did that affect you in any way emotionally? How did you feel at that time? 100%. Well, I felt, first of all, I felt just so utterly frustrated that I couldn't record it visually. Because I wasn't, you know, this wasn't a trip for photography, frankly. Because, you know, Kallenasquez at that time, I mean, that time, seeing any animals, wild animals, and I've seen enough of the wild animals, you know, mountain goats and what you call it, big horn sheep,

you know, basically the prospects of seeing bears wasn't that great in Canaanascus, although I have seen them since. So my frustration was I didn't have the equipment with me to take, which I normally take, to do photography, to be able to capture this. But then I realized that it wouldn't have been a very good picture because I wouldn't have had a good enough view or a longer time enough view to focus and take a picture. So there was a frustration.

Maybe it was my ego. Oh, my God. But it was also, yes, it was. a frustration at knowing that this thing exists and I've seen it and not discussing it with a lot of people apart from some of my friends that I was with, that I discussed it with. And one of them also who was from the States who actually came to visit and himself couldn't believe what he said. And they actually wanted to become a doctor. So he's last person and he told me I don't really want to talk about this because people will think I'm a bit crazy. In my line of profession, I don't really

want to be looked on. So I said, okay, fine. But you know, you know what you saw. I know what I saw and what the other saw. That's all that's important. Now you know that, you know, we have to create awareness of the fact this thing exists. But yeah, I was very frustrated. I felt very, I did feel emotionally, yeah, because I thought this is amazing. I'd be not, but, you know, I still was of the view that I didn't really know what I'd seen. It all was very confused. And I just didn't know what it was. I knew that it wasn't a man and it wasn't a human.

And it was something in between or what. But then I've compared all my other experiences as old. And I'm now 55 years old, right? So I'm not like one of these guys who's youngster who's there. So prove himself, oh, you want to get some fame and credit. No, I don't. I just want to be able to tell people that this thing, in my opinion, does exist. And that there will be more sightings.

There definitely will be more sightings. And it's happening. It's happening as we speak. I just saw recently in your Banff these campers who had put out a camera and they were night camera. And it shows the video of this massive creature standing by their tent at night, about two or three in the morning, over the tent, size of which is. is huge, not a bear, not a human, because you can see the fingers, you can see the hands. This is all a gain with unidentified hominid creature.

So we're having these experiences, and they're becoming more and more common. People are seeing them more and more. Would you ever want to see one again if you had the chance? Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I would like to protect it as well. and I think it needs to be protected. And I think, you know, the states are doing a good job, Jeremy. I think Washington state, I believe, they already have signs that, you know,

like for the Bigfoot, like Bigfoot crossing. See, the great thing about the United States is open-minded, right? That's why it's gone ahead so much technologically, so much in terms of, in every way, every sphere of modern advancement, because it's always had an open mind to discuss, to bring in new ideas and to explore. But that type of open-mindedness doesn't exist in a lot of other parts of the world. But I will mention one other thing. If you look at, I'm sorry, I hope I'm not going off your question,

just that just occurred to me. Oh, you're good. You talk about seeing. There was a very famous case in Russia, which everyone I'm sure knows about, who's a Bigfoot, enthusiast, called the Dietloff incident in Russia. and Dietloff occurred in 1959 where some students from Moscow they went deep into the Ural Mountains on an expedition,

geological expedition. Nothing was heard from them, and they seemed to have disappeared. An expedition was sent out, and they were all found dead. What was very odd was some of them had their eyes gouged out, some of them looked like they'd been assaulted and attacked and killed. So the Russians put it down to the fact that it was probably a freak accident, an avalanche or something else. Of course, there was no sign of avalanche, and that was dismissed.

Then there might have been some testing of some weapons nearby, the fallout of which killed them. No such evidence. Then evidence was found on one of the cameras of one of the victims who died, because none of them survived, by the way. When they developed that film, the film showed a creature from a tree, coming from a tree line, approaching the camp, huge creature, which to this day they have not been able to prove it as being a hoax or a fake

whatsoever. They don't know what it is. So the theory is that they were attacked by some creature of creatures that they're not known to science and they were killed. I like things my way, my coffee, my schedule, and my treatment. So I talked to my doctor about self-injecting with the Vivgard-Hytrullo pre-filled syringe, which contains F-Gartigamutalpha and highlaronidase QVC. It's injected under your skin subcutaneously. It means I can inject in my space, on my time. It's my treatment, my way.

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with someone who understands the science and your unique health. So stay curious, ask questions, but when it's time to make decisions, make them with a doctor. Learn more at AMA Health versushype.org. That's AMAHealthVShype.org. And the fact is that the Russians dismissed it, But then a secret expedition was sent out by the Russian government to look for evidence of these creatures. It was all kept top secret.

If you speak to any of the ex- Soviets today or whatever may be, people who left Russia or even if still living there, they say no, it was a big cover-up. The Russians were convinced that these people were killed and they were killed by something that was not known to science, by creatures that are not known to science. So Dhanov is very, very bizarre because there's no other way these people could have died. They couldn't have died through avalanche. They couldn't have died through military attacks or anything of the kind. So we'll kill them. I mean, no wolves and bears would have killed the whole, every one of them

in the way that they were killed. So, you know, I think that there will be a lot more sightings of this. this creature. And in fact, I'm intending to go back again to North America, myself to go and explore these areas around Calgary, like Canaanascus, where a lot of sightings have been, Banff, Canmore. And I know even in Yellowstone, incidentally, I was in Yellowstone in June, May, sorry, end of May. And I was speaking to some of the ranges. And I said, oh, I saw that video near Old Faithful, that sort of in that vicinity where in the winter, showed these three huge creatures walk in the background.

And I said, oh, do you know what that is? What was it? He said, we don't know. It's very puzzling. He said, we don't know what it is. I said, it's very odd. See, it wasn't bad, is it? No.

I said, could it be too tall to be humans, don't you think? Even he agreed. That's funny. So they know. They know, they know, Jeremiah. They know, but they're not telling people, right? Oh, they absolutely know. Yeah, they do.

Yeah, they know. when you look at the evidence, right, that now that you're talking of 39,000 square kilometers is the greater Yellowstone area. And then 89,000, if you take, 89,000, if you take the entire Montana, Wyoming, Idaho protected areas like Custer Gallatin, Lewis, Clark, Chichonet, Flathead Reserve Forest, all those areas together, 89,000 square kilometers.

You tell me, they couldn't be hundreds, of these creatures easily, easily. With mountains also that ascend to 10, 11, 12,000 feet, most of which is inaccessible. I think those are some really interesting ideas or places for you to look into when you come back over. And you may even want to look into southeast Oklahoma. It doesn't sound like it's interesting, but Nav, start to look into the big foot of southeast Oklahoma, like with the NAWAC and the wood apes that are seen there, and it will

absolutely blow your mind. Yeah, check that out. It's a photo. Thank you. I'll definitely do that, Jeremiah. And I know coming back to the skunk cape also of Florida, see, that's another very interesting thing, because I've traveled through Florida extensively. So I've been to, I'm sorry, not the Everglades, but I've been to the Nia Ocala. I'm sorry, my mind is going. Big forest. I forget, I'm sorry, it'll come to me. But the huge forest area is, it's not just the south of Florida, even central Florida,

has some very, very dense patches. Skunk capes. And I was talking to some, I was talking to a police officer. I didn't mention this to you. I spoke to a police officer. He was from Dunellan. He was from Donnellan.

And he was about to retire. And we were talking. Got to know him quite well. I'd been on a number of trips and I'd been to that place. And I met him. And I said, oh, the skunk cape. It's really, and he looked at me, he says, no, for sure it exists. And I said, oh, you're just having me or not?

You're just saying that because you're a joke. He goes, no, we've had people who've seen something, and it's definitely not. So I'm trying to think, Jeremiah, there's a forest near Ocala. I can't remember the name. It's a huge forest, vast forest in Central Flo. It'll come to me, but all within this vicinity. And he said, no, no, we've had people campers who've, who've, go on camping and they've seen an hour day and they got so frightened they just picked up

this stuff and they left. Are you sure it's not a bear? Some of these guys, you said, some of these guys are one of these guys are like six foot five and three hundred pounds. So he said, you know, why would he get so nervous? Absolutely. You may be thinking, Ocala National Forest is quite big over by the one. Yeah, sorry. You know, I've been to these areas, but I'm trying to think because I've been in the area, I've traveled a lot, and I've seen a lot of, a lot of forest. Again, very tropical looking, dense, dense forest. So yeah, thank you for that suggestion. I would love to do that.

America is a great country, and I try to get that as frequently as I can. Got a lot of family there, a lot of relatives there. I think it's very open-minded. And I think if we've got chances of ever of being able to discover this thing and to record it, it's going to be in America more than anywhere else. Absolutely. I don't have that hope, sadly. sadly, I don't have that hope for anywhere else because it's not the fact they don't have even the

resources. They don't have that open-mindedness. They don't have that sense of curiosity to explore. And because what I love about the States, there's an immense curiosity about everything. Let's find out. Let's get the answer to this. Let's go and search for the truth. But you don't have that in most of the places in the world. It couldn't have said it better myself, but Nav, what an incredibly interesting and motivating conversation. I'm so glad that you reached out to me. No, thank you.

That's very sweet of you. I thank you so much for giving me the great honor, the pleasure and the privilege of speaking to you. I really do. And I have to thank you more than you're thanking me because I think more thanks is due to you. Thank you, Jeremiah. And I wish the best for your future expeditions.

And please reach out if anything else. is when you're looking. I most certainly will do that, Jeremiah. Thank you so much. And I'd just like to say all those people who may be listening to this podcast, whatever, please keep an open mind. I mean, if I can have an open mind, I have all people, everybody should and can't have an open mind

because this thing definitely exists. The evidence is there. It's just that people are not prepared to accept the evidence for this, which they would, however, for other things. Thanks, Jeremiah. Thank you so much, Nav, for coming on tonight. Thank you. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon,

and you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what? This year, you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous year's recent. And number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

I'll probably, I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because, let's just say sometimes it's, uh, well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oak Ridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series searching for Sasquatch. well this year you can not only go to the festival

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so thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oak Ridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. I was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before.

It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it. And I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

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