BiggerPockets Money Podcast - 511: Pay Your Rent and Level Up Your Home with THIS Creative Side Hustle

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

Could one side hustle help you pay rent, save money to invest in real estate, or reach financial independence? Today’s guest picked up the perfect hobby that combines his background in art and love for home décor. The best part? It allows him to make extra money each month! Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Because Kyle William earns a modest salary in an expensive city, there’s no room for new furniture and décor in his budget. However, he has found a way to not only fully furnish his apartment without paying top dollar but also turn this passion into a profitable side hustle. In his spare time, he scours the web for items that people no longer value, uses his artistic eye and do-it-yourself (DIY) skills to restore them to peak condition, and then flips them online for a hefty profit! Could you turn your own passion into a money-making side hustle, too? Whether you’re interested in flipping furnitureor another hobby altogether, tune in as Kyle shares where to find unwanted items, the best DIY skills for beginners, and how to cash in on your hard work! In This Episode We Cover The DIY side hustle Kyle uses to cover his rent (and improve his home!) How to start your own furniture flipping side hustle The best places to find valuable used items that can be recycled Beginner do-it-yourself (DIY) skills that YOU can learn today Kyle’s best home decorating hacks for thrifty creatives And So Much More! Links from the Show BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group Network with Other Investors on The Path to FIRE Through the BiggerPockets Forums Finance Review Guest Onboarding Join BiggerPockets for FREE Mindy on BiggerPockets Scott on BiggePockets Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place Apply to Be a Guest on The Money Show Podcast Talent Search! Find an Investor-Friendly Agent in Your Area Find Investor-Friendly Lenders Make an Extra $100/Day with These Work-From-Home Side Hustles How Anyone Can Easily Make Extra Money Using Side Hustles with Nick Loper Click here to check the full show notes: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-511   Interested in learning more about today's sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today's episode is about how you can have nice things even when you can't afford to buy them. Yeah, we booked Kyle William today because so many of us in the Bigger Pockets Money community and the fire community are just super frugal and may go really long stretches without the nice things in life while we kind of, in some cases, grind our way towards financial freedom. That can include giving up things like a nice kitchen, a nice bathroom, nice furniture, or other aesthetic stuff. So, for example, I'm guilty of this. I've spent 10 years. living in progressively less tiny duplexes, interrupted by one cent as a renter. And Mindy, I think, has done 11 live-in flips in her life. I might venture to say that you could have spent almost half of your adult life living in a construction zone that you're working on.

I would agree with that, Scott. Kyle is here to show us that it's not an either-or. And if you like nice things, living in a beautiful space, having top-notch luxury items like design of furniture, you can have that, and still save and pursue financial independence. Heck, you can even make money while you build out that perfect home environment. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money Podcast. My name is Mindy Jensen, and with me, as always, is my not mid-century modern co-host, Scott Trench. I may not be mid-century modern, but you are my MCM co-host.

Money co-host, Mindy. All right, let's do it. Oh, I love it. All right. We're here to make financial independence less scary, less just for somebody else, to introduce you to every money story because we truly believe financial freedom is attainable for everyone, no matter when or where you're starting. Kyle William, welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast.

I am so excited to talk to you today. Yeah. Thank you for having me. I'm also, you know, very excited to have this conversation and to, yeah, share this space today. You are primarily on TikTok making videos showing everybody the awesome things that they can do. And the first video that I saw of yours was one where you used a comment that said, your problem is not that you're poor.

It's that you suck at being poor. If you want nice stuff, you're going to have to take some old stuff and make it nice. Can you tell us a little bit more about what you mean by this? Yeah, yeah. I really loved that audio that was trending for a certain time on TikTok. talk. And, you know, I think that it really just relates to me and the work I do because I love furniture and interior design and the history of these things. But, you know, I can't afford, you know, the brand new things or the, you know, from, you know, the vintage stores

and, you know, stores like that. So, you know, I have to find things, you know, on the street, on Facebook marketplace. And, you know, and I make them what they should be or what they could be. And, you know, that mentality, I think really helps me a lot, you know, in terms of, you know, really being true to my design aesthetic, but, you know, staying true to my budget and my wallet as well. I think that's really important because a lot of people are like, ooh, this is really cute. I'll figure out how to pay for it later. No. Figure out how to pay for it now. And if you can't afford it now, then figure out a way to obtain it without paying top dollar.

I love it. I love the upcycle. I love the recycle. I love the just making it new. And I'm super fascinated with how you're finding these items. Yeah. You know, kind of my interest in this really started when I was living in New York. And there's a big stooping culture, which is, you know, finding things just that people leave on the sidewalk and the street and, you know, just taking it home and making it new again or cleaning it up. And, you know, so I started doing that. And then I found, you know, Facebook marketplace and Craigslist and, you know, these places where people are just trying to get rid of stuff. You know, they, they don't need it anymore. It's a little broken. They don't know how to fix it. So they just get rid of it. And sometimes they don't know the real value of it. Sometimes

maybe they don't care. But, you know, those are the opportunities where I swoop in. And, you know, I find things that I've been looking for for such a long time or that I know can resell at a really high price. And, you know, that's, you know, those are the main avenues that I look for. When did this start? How did you develop this mentality? Yeah. Honestly, from a very young age, I, you know, started making my own furniture. You know, I wanted a bed frame and I couldn't find anything online that looked like that. So I just found my mom's old saw and got some wood from Home Depot and just put it together. And, you know, I realized that I really loved having personal touches on everything in my space. And, you know, so I just started, um, started doing that. And then

I got to college and got to my first, like, adult apartment. And I realized everything is very expensive. You know, I looked for a couch for the first time. And I saw that even at places like IKEA or Target, you know, there were still 600 to $1,000. And, you know, I just genuinely couldn't afford that, but I still needed a couch. So, you know, I had to, to make it work. by sourcing it other places. We'll be back after the break. And when we're back, we'll be breaking down the skills you need to start fixing and flipping furniture and make decent money doing it.

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It sounds super awesome. You just find something old. You make it look beautiful. There's more to it than that, I know, because I've done, I haven't flipped it. I just rehabbed it for my own self. Walk us through one of your most recent flips. First of all, where did you find it? And is there a lot of competition for this?

Yeah. You know, so I think my most recent flip, it was something from Facebook Marketplace, spent a lot of time on Facebook Marketplace. And, you know, there are competition. Sometimes I'll see something that I know will be an amazing find. and it's been up for 30 minutes. And I message the buyer or the seller and they're already saying, oh, it's sold. And so sometimes, and this is like in the middle of the day on a Tuesday.

So, you know, sometimes there is, you know, some people have the same eye and they are after the same things and you just sometimes have to get to it first and sometimes you luck out. But my most recent thing, I found this vintage lane, which is a, you know, pretty sought-after furniture brand resales for really high prices, vintage lane record player or record cabinet. And I got it for like 60 bucks. It has one broken hinge. So they just didn't want to, they just didn't either know how to repair it or weren't interested in learning.

So, you know, that's a great opportunity for me because these resell for in the thousand sometimes and good enough conditions. So, you know, it's really about finding the right pieces, kind of taking the gamble. with paying for it, but knowing the potential for it. So how did that one turn out? That one I'm actually still in the middle with. I just got it recently, but that's the one I'm most excited about. But in general, some of these pieces that are a little higher quality,

they take a little longer to sell. So you do have to be patient, you know, especially if you're wanting, you know, these higher prices for them. But, you know, I did get a cabinet by the same maker for free just because it was so big. They didn't know how to move it. They were moving. So they just gave it away for free. And I ended up selling it for, I think, $700.

You know, so it really is just, you know, being there when people are giving it away and knowing what to do with it after. All right. Let's deconstruct this $700 gain here. So somebody's moving. They post a Facebook marketplace that they got this cabinet. You know it's valuable. And you show up and you move it. How much you have to pay to store it, keep it.

rehab it, refurbisher, whatever, to get it ready to sell for the $700 gain. How much time is that day? Yeah, a great question. Moving it, you know, it's, I find very creative ways to fit large things in my car. So with this one, it was just kind of two. What do you drive? I drive a V at an SUV, VW. It has a big enough of a trunk, but, you know, sometimes it's duct taping the, the trunk

closed because, you know, something doesn't fit perfectly or taking multiple trips. But, you know, I am very frugal when it comes to also kind of getting things places. I never buy a U-Haul, never, you know, pay extra money for shipping or anything. So I just try to make it work. And, you know, so with this piece specifically, it didn't need a lot of work. So I didn't spend too much on fixing it up. But yeah, in terms of storing it, my apartment is kind of littered with these projects. I keep them all just on hand. I have a backyard that I fix them up in. But, you know, on a very busy week or month, right now, there's just a few pieces just around me right now. It gets a little hectic. So I try to have a quick turn around as much as possible.

I think you're the only person I've talked to in 500 episodes of the Bigger Pockets Money podcast that should be driving a pickup truck at some point. So maybe one day after enough of these flips. Yeah. Sorry, what part of the world do you live in right now? I'm currently in California. Okay, so you're in California. This wouldn't have worked in New York City.

You would have had to have some other type of arrangement in order to flip this kind of furniture at that point. Yeah, when I was in New York, it was mainly, you know, I couldn't sand furniture. necessarily. So it was mainly painting or scraping. And, you know, in terms of getting things places, it was an Uber Excel. It was asking a friend to help you carry it 10 blocks. So taking it on the subway sometimes. So it was a creative process, maybe more so when I was living back in New York. So how long did it take you to sell this cabinet that we were just talking about? Yeah, the cabinet we were just talking about. I posted it on some of the more kind of vintage collection places like First Dibs, and that's where you kind of sell a higher price item. Sometimes Facebook marketplace,

people are wanting slightly cheaper things. So in order to get more for it, you have to kind of put it on sites like this, first dibs, secondhand, a few places like that. And I think this one took a few weeks to sell. And so it was just kind of sitting in my living room. But, you know, when it did a buyer actually in the same city, because these are kind of global sites so you can offer shipping and whatnot. But someone in the same city offered to buy it. And so I just drove it to them.

And that kind of cut out any middleman. And that was kind of the best case scenario. What types of furniture are you looking for? And is there anything that you would absolutely not touch? Yeah. So types of furniture, mid-century modern is the most popular. MCM is the abbreviation if you're scrolling through Facebook marketplace. A lot of things say they're mid-century modern, but that either just means that they're in the style, but really they're made out of plywood from IKEA or they're just not that style at all. So, you know, it is sometimes you have to know what to look for even filtering through the catalog of mid-century modern already.

And, you know, anything, I like also smaller projects. So smaller dressers, chairs, you know, because my space is only, you know, is limited. So anything that's too massive, I generally skip. Also, like you mentioned, I don't have a truck. So these bigger things like Hutchinson. and dining tables. You know, I can't really prioritize. What is something that makes an amazing find?

You know, it has to be, I mean, sometimes it's the condition. You know, if something is really in good quality condition and I don't have to do much to it. You know, that's always the best case scenario. But, I mean, for me and like the journey I like to do with furniture, sometimes the worse the condition, the more fun it is for me personally. but in terms of a resale and kind of getting things out the door standpoint, less so. But, you know, it really is, you know, looking for those vintage designers. You know, really, I found this Eames table and there's Erman Miller and, you know, those bigger names that really Thonet and kind of draw in a collectible crowd or an antiquing crowd.

That's what I try to look for when I am going. through things, looking for the maker's marks on the furniture. Have you ever purchased or gotten for free a piece of furniture? You rehab it, you put it up on all of these sites, and nobody wants it. It is that actually only happened once. Luckily, there is generally a pretty quick turnaround. And every once in a while, you have to lower the price like $10 to $20 and then maybe people are interested.

the only time was, you know, there was this piece that I ended up just keeping for myself because I ended up actually liking it too much. But it did just kind of sit in the, is this still available messages? And then you'd say yes. And then you'd be left on red or, you know, so people were interested but not interested enough, which was unfortunate, but I didn't, I got it for free. So it wasn't kind of the biggest loss. And you've done this as a series, and you share on your series on TikTok that you use this as side money to pay your rent.

And I know you've publicly shared your rent, but I just love that you're in California and you've got this. What is your rent? How much are you paying in rent? Okay. So, well, so my rent, the rent that I pay is $1,400. But I do share a one-bedroom apartment with my partner, and we both pay $1,400. So together we're paying $2,800, but I'm paying $1,400, which is still a pretty pricey, maybe not necessarily for California. California is very expensive, but it is something that you know, you do have to sell a lot of furniture or put in a lot of work in order to reach that amount.

And how many months have you been able to hit your goal of paying your rent using the money that you're making through flipping furniture? Yeah, so I started that journey last year and I fully committed for one month and I was successful in doing so. And then it kind of went to the back burner a little bit more as just a side hustle, something to be passionate about. But next month, I'm starting, I'm doing the same goal again. So it is something that I have to have the mindset of, okay, this month, I really do need to commit to, you know, spending my weekend, spending my afternoons, and night times, you know, really committing to find, you know, spending hours on Facebook marketplace, putting in the work on the projects I do get. So it is something that I have to, like, go into with the mindset that I'm going to do that this month. And when I did it, I was successful.

So I'm going to do it again next month and see how it goes as well. So you, you, I understand, have been building on this and taking these skills and actually now improving the house that you rent. Can you tell you? us a little bit about how that got started? Yeah, yeah. So I live in a building that was built around the 1930s, and that means that it has a lot of great details, but sometimes those details have been painted over just through years of kind of switching between tenants.

And, you know, sometimes details have been removed just to make it more commercial or renter friendly. So I have just done kind of the process of really, really small changes, just, you know, the hardware that's been painted over, just taking the paint off of it so you can see that the gold and the brass again and adding, you know, peel and stick renter-friendly tiles in the kitchen to add kind of character back to the space. You know, I did these black and white vintage looking tiles, you know, because it felt more true to the space than the like blandment, like, bland. Linolium that was there. All right, we're off to a quick break. When we return, Kyle will walk us through the improvements he's making to his 1930s apartment. Tax season is one of the only times all year when most people actually look at their full financial

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connection with, you know, with what you're doing and asking permission. And, you know, all the things are so small and there, you know, there are things that can be, you know, you can paint over the hardware again. I can peel up the peel and stick tiles. You know, it's nothing that is really changing the foundation of the apartment. And I think that's what's important. You know, I'm not kind of spending a lot on, you know, repainting the entire place, you know, actually redoing the countertops. So, you know, they're very small changes that, um, You know, no one, that aren't permanent. I think that's the important thing.

Oh, good. Okay. Great. Then we can continue this conversation because I really, really like this, but also bigger pockets is primarily real estate investing. And we mainly speak from the landlord's perspective. And I understand wanting, you know, I watch that TikTok video where you pulled off the door handle and the key hole cover or whatever.

And you made them look much nicer. Half painted. looks terrible, but you definitely want to get your landlord's permission, which you did. So, hooray. How did you learn how to do this? I mean, it's one thing to think, oh, I'm going to scrape off this paint, but it's another thing to actually get that stuff out and start actually doing it. Yeah. I think that I've just been inspired by, you know, other TikToks and videos that I've seen online. You know, I'm in, I think a niche on TikTok of people who live in old buildings and who really do value the character in the space that, you know, sometimes gets forgotten over the years.

But, you know, when you do just give a little bit more attention, you know, you can really bring this space back to life. And, you know, I like to just imagine, you know, what was the kind of original intention with the space and how do I be as true to that as possible? Awesome. And do you feel like you've added value and, you know, like, do you think that a place that has the changes you've made would rent for more than you're currently renting? Is this like a way to kind of live your best life much more cheaply?

Yeah, you know, I do think that, you know, some of the changes that I've made, you know, would add value, you know, the first thing that people say when they walk into my apartment is, wow, those floors in your kitchen are gorgeous. And, you know, those are just the peel and stick tiles that I put down. And, you know, they're the first thing people are noticing now. And, you know, I think that, you know, if there was maybe effort put into, you know, putting real tiles that could stand the test of time there, that you know, that you could probably get more for this unit because it adds so much more character and, you know, excitement to walking

into the space for the first time. How do you feel about putting money into a property that you don't own? Yeah, you know, I think it is really a balance. Like I said, you know, I'm not doing anything too big, you know, really I was kind of thinking about it. And I don't think that I've spent more than maybe 200, 250 on all of the, all of the changes I've made. You know, so it's not, it's not too much of a financial investment. I mean, obviously, $200 is still money, but, you know, it's, it's for, you know, it's something that I'm looking at every day. It's something I'm seeing every day interacting with. To me, regardless of where I am, it's important to feel like I'm home in the place that I am. Yeah, and I should have guessed that you would have done it on the

less expensive side. Yeah, yeah, I'm not not spending too much on on these updates for sure. So you have a background in art. For someone who doesn't, but wants to start doing something like this, what are some of the beginner skills that you would recommend they learn how to do? Yeah, you know, I definitely, you know, like you said, I think my background and art helps. But, you know, it was a lot of these skills I just had to learn from doing. And, you know, I think the most important thing is, you know, starting with an interest.

you know, because I think there are a lot of people who come to me and they're like, oh, I want to start doing this, but, you know, they don't actually care about furniture. They don't really care about finding the right things and knowing what to do with them. And, you know, so I think it does start from a, you know, are you interested in furniture? Is this something that will be exciting for you to get to find these pieces and to say, I found this lane record cabinet and be excited about it because, you know, that takes away a lot of the work from this process, I think. it's more kind of fun and exciting. And, you know, in terms of skills, you know, they're just kind of basic skills of

stripping paint, sanding furniture that do take some research and some time to be able to kind of figure out all the best ways to do it. Awesome. Is there a cheat code to help you find out more, this faster or skip some of that learning curve? Yeah. I mean, TikTok, you know, that's honestly where I started a lot of my learning. You know, it's these quick, you know, 60-second videos that will give you a rundown of, you know, what to, you know, what to do, how to start it. You know, if you type in, you know, furniture covered in paint, what to do, you know, you'll find hundreds or thousands of examples of people doing them in these really quick succession.

And, you know, that was a valuable resource for me for sure. I'd love to hear more of some of your best tips and tricks. like how to make things shine, how to strip something and bring it back, bring that back the bronze or, you know, the dealer from the metal that's been pitted over, for example. Could you give us a couple, maybe like a rundown of your favorite ones that you've kind of discovered for yourself over time? Yeah, sure. You know, I think the kind of first and most popular thing that kind of one got me into

furniture flipping, but also my first kind of viral TikTok video was just using, you know, product citrus strip, which you kind of just put on any painted furniture, you know, leave it for 20 minutes to a few hours, and then you just scrape it off and kind of all in one move. You get kind of all the paint and all the varnish and stain even off if you do a few more layers. And, you know, that was kind of the best way to do things because I didn't have a sander at the time. I didn't, you know, probably couldn't be sanding things because I lived in an apartment building when I started that. And, you know, so that's kind of maybe for the, for the quieter furniture flippers.

And, you know, things like using, I try to use more natural product. Citrus strip has less kind of harsh chemicals just because they can be kind of dangerous to work with, you know, especially inside. I try to never use those types of things inside. And another thing is beeswax. That's another kind of natural furniture polish. you know, so if it doesn't need kind of all the stripping and all of that, if I just want to polish it, I'll use something like that, just to kind of buff a nice shine into it.

But, you know, so those are kind of the more natural things I tend to try to use just because I don't want to be putting tons of chemicals and toxins into the atmosphere around me if I don't have to. Awesome. What about something for metal? How would you get, how would you kind of remove paint from a furniture with metal pieces? Yeah, you know, so, you know, what, One thing I love about TikTok is that I learn from the people in the comments a lot. So I did learn that using a crock pot, you know, an old crock pot that I picked up at Goodwill for like $10. You just put all the metal that's been painted or rusted, add some vinegar, some baking soda, not together, but separately. And you cook it, you know, just on a low heat for a few hours.

And, you know, the rust will slide right off. The paint will slide right off. So that was such an interesting hack to kind of utilize that I've been using a lot recently. If you are putting vinegar in a crock pot, stick that crack pot outside or in the garage, because that is not going to be a pleasant aroma. No, yeah, it's definitely, I think my windows were open. And I left that space for a few hours and came back. But it was amazing to see how easy.

it was to work with after it had soaked in that low level heat for a few hours. I once cleaned my coffee pot with vinegar. I was like, oh, that's warm vinegar. That is a horrible smell. I had to open up every window. It was awful. But that's a great tip. I didn't know that.

And I've got some rusty stuff at my house. So I'm going to try that. Just pro tip, if you're going to do this and you decide that you're not going to do it anymore, just throw the crack pot away. I don't donate it back to the Goodwill. No, yeah. You know, there's a, I wrote in big letters, you know, do not ever use for food on the side of it. And, you know, definitely not going to be donating it or anything. And yeah, you know, that reminded me, vinegar is in general great with wood as well. A lot of these older pieces will stink. You know, they'll have some some weird smells, you know, just just from use and age and wear and tear and, you know, vinegar. on old wood can do a lot of wonders with the smell, sometimes with stains as well. So that's, again, kind of maybe not the best smelling, but, you know, it's a chemical-free way

to kind of fix things up in a way that, you know, super accessible to, you know, bottle of vinegar's $2 at Costco. I just, yeah, I just hear this that I'm like, because my mind always turns to real estate because I'm obsessed with real estate and can't stop talking about it. I'm like, you're going to have a field day one day with one of these like late 1800s builds homes that haven't been touched in a hundred years, really, with the updates and stuff. You're just going to bring it completely back to life one of these years. I'd be excited to see that if you ever get into that.

That ever happens. I just, I, like, there's all these, like, weird things, like, with the foundations and the, you know, the radiator and, like, all the stuff that I just think you're going to be able to bring some magic in life, too, if you ever get into it. That is the dream at one point, you know, to find a home that, you know, just, really does need that love and attention to detail. And, you know, there are a lot of different ways to kind of work with those homes. Sometimes they do just need a gut job.

But, you know, if you can find one where you can save as much of the original history as possible, you know, that's what's exciting to me. One last question, I think it's pretty important here. What do you do for a day job when you're not flipping furniture and finding all these tips and tricks on TikTok? Yeah. So I work in film and TV. You know, I do kind of relate it.

I work in production design for just film TV commercials, which is, you know, putting together the scene, the imagery, you know, that can be decorating kind of a blank space, making it look like something, or just bringing in kind of character or kind of something specific for the lookbook or the prompt to make it. match kind of what the directors or the producers are going for. That kind of sounds like a match made in heaven for you and your skills. Yeah, you know, they really do go together in a way that, you know, informs one another, makes me excited about things. I like to work on period piece films. I have done those before and, you know, working, I've worked in old historic homes in Pasadena and, you know, really gotten to kind of live the fantasy of, you know, the 19-

60s diner, the 1800s mansion. And, you know, so living in those things also, yeah, like you say, kind of feeds into, you know, the appreciation for these furniture from different eras. You need to connect with somebody who's already doing flipping in your area and help them make their house beautiful because there's lots of people who can do the construction, but have no idea how to make it pretty. Yeah. You know, I, that again, you know, kind of a dream.

something that, you know, I'm thinking about committing full-time to. And I was thinking kind of timeline-wise start of next year, really diving into certain aspects of that and seeing what I can do with it. Kyle, thank you so much for joining us today. This has been really fascinating. It's really inspiring to see this incredible side hustle you've built here. And you can see how the skills that you're developing are just going to be so compoundingly valuable to you for the rest of your life, both if you ever want to make money in these things, which you already are. are and scaling that and in just making your environment more wonderful for you to be in. So it's just, and it's just value add to the world.

You're just taking stuff that people don't want and turning it into items that are really valuable that people are going to use and cherish. So thank you for doing that. Where can people find out more about you and follow your journey? Yeah. Thank you again for having me as well. You know, you can follow me. My ad is the same at everything.

It's Kyle William. on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. And I try to keep pretty consistent with posting and updating on there. And like I said, trying to teach people's skills and really stressing, like you mentioned, kind of sustainability of using these things that nobody wants and making them into things that people will cherish. Awesome. I'm going to go follow you on Instagram and TikTok right now.

Thank you so much for your time, Kyle. And we will talk to you soon. Yeah, thank you so much. I hope you both have a great rest of your day. All right. That was Kyle William. Mindy, what do you think? Scott, I love this episode. I love what he's doing with taking these formerly beautiful, now a little tarnished furniture pieces and making them beautiful once again. And something we didn't cover in this episode is that he's actually keeping things out of the landfill. It breaks my heart to see so much stuff go to the dump, go to the garbage. And instead of doing that, people are putting it on Craigslist.

in Facebook Marketplace, and then he's coming in, taking it, making it beautiful, and selling it to somebody who may not have looked at it twice when it was in its former condition. So not only is he making things beautiful and making money, he's also helping the environment by keeping things out of the landfill. So I love it even more. But I had a great time with this show. Scott, what did you think of the episode? Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Again, I said it's a service to society to take these items that would otherwise get thrown away and repurpose them. So they're going to be loved and cherished by people. It's a profit center for him and it's a training ground for skills that will compound in value throughout his life along this. It's also a lifetime pursuit. This is not something that

will be like going away in the next to 10 years, you know, or, you know, whatever. You can imagine, you know, Kyle's version of future financial independence and what that would look like and how much even more accelerated that that would do. So it was just really inspiring. And I think that anybody can learn what he's doing and follow in his footsteps if they want to have the nice things in life, have a really great side hustle and develop skills that will be really helpful to a real estate investor, for example. Yeah, go check out his sites. They are absolutely gorgeous. We just barely touched the surface today. Kyle William Art at all the places that he mentioned. All right, Scott, you ready to get out of here? Let's do it. That wraps up this episode of the

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