BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast - 883: From Homeless at 17 to Solving the Affordable Housing Crisis for a Profit w/Terrica Lynn Smith

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

The affordable housing crisis is an ongoing challenge here in the United States, but this developer has cracked the code in her own backyard—providing more opportunities for low and median-income households without gentrifying their communities. The cherry on top? She’s making a huge profit while doing it. In 2005, during Hurricane Katrina, Terrica Lynn Smith couldn’t scrounge up a few hundred dollars to evacuate her and her two children from New Orleans. After this traumatic event, Terrica was determined to break the curse of generational poverty and create a better financial future for her family. Little did she know that she would be creating a better life for countless people in her community as well. After seven failed attempts, Terrica passed her real estate exam and started selling homes. She jumped at any opportunity to learn something new, which allowed her to advance from a real estate agent to an investor, and finally, to a developer. If you want to have a powerful impact with real estate but lack the resources to do it, this episode is for you. Terrica provides the blueprint for delivering affordable housing to your community at a profit. She also shares the best ways to bring value to a real estate investing partnership, how to get bank financing for large developments, and why cultivating the right mindset is so crucial to your success as an investor! In This Episode We Cover: Solving the affordable housing crisis in your community (and how to make a profit) Why you should get into real estate even if you’re starting from ZERO Building an impenetrable mindset for real estate investing How to bring value to a real estate partnership (beyond capital) How to get bank financing for new development projects FREE resources to fast-track your real estate journey And So Much More! Links from the Show Find an Agent Find a Lender BiggerPockets Youtube Channel BiggerPockets Forums BiggerPockets Pro Membership BiggerPockets Bookstore BiggerPockets Bootcamps BiggerPockets Podcast BiggerPockets Merch Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place Learn About Real Estate, The Housing Market, and Money Management with The BiggerPockets Podcasts Get More Deals Done with The BiggerPockets Investing Tools Find a BiggerPockets Real Estate Meetup in Your Area Expand Your Investing Knowledge With the BiggerPockets Books Be a Guest on the BiggerPockets Podcast Ask David Your Question Rob's BiggerPockets Profile Rob's Instagram Rob's TikTok Rob's X/Twitter Rob's YouTube Henry's BiggerPockets Profile Henry's Instagram Catch Henry on the "On the Market" Podcast The Beginner’s Guide to Real Estate Development (with LOW Money Down!) Institutional Investors are Buying Up Affordable Housing in Droves—Are They on to Something? Connect with Terrica Terrica's BiggerPockets Profile Terrica's Facebook Terrica's Instagram Terrica's LinkedIn Terrica's Website Terrica's X/Twitter Click here to listen to the full episode: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-883 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [e-mail]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Bigger Pockets podcast show, 883. Hey, everyone, I'm here with my good friend Henry Washington for a very, very powerful investor story today. And that's right, Rob. We are here talking to Terrica Smith. Terica is single-handedly solving affordable housing in Louisiana while turning a profit. This is one of the best episodes that I've ever been a part of is an understatement. Terica is an investor who starts. started out with nothing, like in terms of resources, in terms of finances, in terms of understanding

what real estate investing is. We hear all the time that affordable housing is this puzzle that no one knows how to solve. And she is literally doing it right now in her backyard and started at ground zero where a lot of new investors find themselves right now without money and without knowledge. And so if you are in that boat where you know, I want to do something extremely powerful with real estate. And I just don't feel like I have the resources to be able to do that. This is the show for you because this is somebody who was in your shoes and is now changing her community and is now changing the lives of the people within her community and building wealth while doing it. And she's solving affordable housing for Louisiana and actually turning a profit

it, which just makes this whole story all that more inspiring. So you're going to definitely want to stick around until the very end. I know you're going to love it. And without further ado, that's bringing Terica. Terica, to start the show, can you tell us a little bit about your upbringing in New Orleans? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So for those who don't know, my name is Terrika Lynn Smith. I'm a real estate developer and coach. And so I actually got started in real estate back in 2005. And that was the year of Hurricane Katrina. We were trapped in the city. And honestly, I thought it was going to die.

You know, I thought it was the end of the world during that time. And so I had two kids at that particular point in my life, and I knew that, you know, I did not want to leave them here, you know, without a mother. I also didn't want to, you know, lose our lives because we didn't have any money. And so it was a life-changing moment for me, you know, being trapped in a life. the city and I said, if I can get out this city, then I'm going to work and not rely on the government ever again in my life. And that's what I did. We relocated to a foreign city called Lafayette, Louisiana. I didn't know nobody, you know, didn't have no referrals. I had nothing. I started with nothing. And I ended up at Century 21 and I got started, you know, selling real estate. I think the

the key point of that, though, is I didn't just go get my real estate license. I knew absolutely nothing about real estate at this time. I just knew I was trapped in the city for a few days, and I did not want to experience that again. I wanted to be able to fly out the next time a natural disaster happens. And so because I knew that, and I knew because I didn't have no money, I couldn't leave the city. I was one of those people who was poor in New Orleans at the time. I had to do something to be able to better my life for my children. So you mentioned you didn't really know much about real estate or anything like that. What were you doing? Tell us a little bit about some of the careers or some of the jobs you had growing up. Well,

Well, I was homeless at 17, so I didn't really have, like, no career. I didn't go to, like, college and have, like, no fancy degrees or anything like that. At that point in time in my life, I was working at a temp service during Hurricane Katrina, and, you know, I would hold stop signs at the construction sites early in the morning to be able to let people know when to stop and slow down and do different things like that. So I absolutely knew nothing about real estate, but before Hurricane Katrina, I actually traveled the road selling magazines going to be able to. door to door. And I would ask people what they did for a living and these people would always say that they were in real estate. So the term real estate always stuck inside my head because I didn't,

you know, I never knew what it was. I always thought it was buildings. I never knew it was the actual dirt. So after Hurricane Katrina being trapped in the city, when I realized I needed to find something to be able to make money, I remembered all those people doors I was knocking upon and they lived in these big, beautiful homes and they all said they were in real estate. And so for me, That's why I ended up going into real estate because of the simple fact, you know, I was a door knocker. And that's how, you know, that's really how I got my start in real estate. You know, I think that's super cool. There's a lot of people who get their start in real estate because they, through whatever profession they have, see people closing real estate deals and they end up on that.

Like, I've talked to people like, you know, like title agents. They, you know, they're closing transactions all day long. And they all of a sudden, they're like, I want to be receiving some of these checks. Like, how do I do that? And then the same thing, people see real estate agents. They know they get commissions and that kind of what gets them in. It's interesting, too, that you were knocking on doors because as real estate investors, that's still something we have to do when we're getting started sometimes.

So I wanted to kind of clarify. You said you were trapped in the city during Hurricane Katrina. I just want to clarify for the audience what you mean by that. You don't mean trapped in the city in terms of like you couldn't get out because traffic was bad. You mean you were trapped in the city because you just financially didn't have any way to leave. Is that what you're saying? Right, both.

So when I say trapped in the city, I mean that, one, we did not have no money to be able to leave ahead of time to be able to evacuate when they told us to evacuate. If you don't have much money and you live in on, you know, welfare, that is a lot of money when you have to up and leave and you have that small amount of income. So not only that, you know, it took us three days to be able to get to a city called Beaubridge, Louisiana, which is only two hours away from New Orleans. That's how bad traffic was, and that's how long it was taking people to be able to evacuate because, you know, people was running out of gas. The gas stations wasn't opening.

So we stayed trapped in the city literally in the same area until we was able to get assistance with the police, the army, and all those different people that came in to help us evacuate. But we literally was trapped in the city. Okay. So essentially what you're saying is because of the conditions. and your financial situation, there was no other options for you. And then you kind of put two and two together and said, I know all these people that have this money are in real estate. And I never want to put myself or my family in a position where I can't get away from

trouble like this if I need to do to my own financial circumstances. So you said, I'm going to get into real estate because of those situations. Absolutely. even, let me tell you this, they were asking for our city council and all these different people, and they were like, yo, they flew out already. So it just planted a seed when I heard that, right? So we're asking for help from our leaders, but they're not there. They already gone. So it's like, okay, well, I don't want to be here next time. Something like this happened. So it just really resignated to know, yo, people really did leave. And if we would have had money to be able to leave,

we wouldn't be in this situation, you know. And so it was a big, eye open for me. Like I just, you know, you never know what you need until you really need it. And at that time, if we had the resources to be able to evacuate, and I'm talking just a few hundred dollars. I'm not talking like thousands of dollars. If we had a few extra hundred dollars, we could have left and evacuated and stayed at a hotel again. You know, for those who don't know what evacuation is, you got to literally leave your house. You got to go and stay at a hotel room. You got to be able to afford the hotel room. You got to afford the food when going to that. So it's not just, oh, up and leave and go by cousin or relative, it's also, you know, counting the cost of that as well.

Absolutely. It's hard. I think it's hard for anybody to move. So you put in any kind of financial constraints or stress it. It's super, super difficult. So thank you so much for sharing that with this, Terica. I want to move along a little bit in your story because eventually you do end up getting into real estate. And, you know, did you know getting into real estate when you were doing this? Did you know what it would become? Did you you have an idea where you like, this is my way out? Or were you like, I'm going to try this and see how it goes? Bro, I was poor with a negative bank account. Okay? Let me just be clear. I just needed some money at the time. I didn't join real estate because I was going to be Warren Buffett or

Donald Trump. I joined because I needed some zeros in my bank account. And I seen people with big houses and it looked like they put zeros in their bank account with real estate. You know, I failed that exam seven times. I could not pass. that exam. I did not know what a mortgage was, a lien was, an encroachment, and in conference. I knew no real estate terms. So for me to literally know nothing, be the dumbest one in the classroom, asking the most simplest questions to those who got family who's been owned in real estate, it's unheard of, right? So I had no clue that I would be, you know, a leading woman in my area pioneering, you know, smart girl. I just didn't know that. I didn't, my mind. My mom,

Mine didn't comprehend that. It comprehended. I needed a few more zeros at that time. So I started where I was. Cool. And give us a little bit of clarification. When did you go to real estate school? Give us like, what was that time frame relative to Hurricane Katrina? And yeah, give us some context there. That's a great question, Rob. So I got started in real estate. I started. So Katrina was in August of 05. So right after Hurricane Katrina, we got relocated to a place called Lafayette, Louisiana. By December, I was already going to real estate school. I was sitting in the class trying to figure out what the heck real estate was and just trying to figure out how to pass exam. In early 06, I got my license and I finally passed it, got my license, and I became a real estate agent during that time.

Got it. Okay. And you said you took that test a few times. Seven. Okay, seven times. Let's not dismiss that seven. Okay. Okay.

And I love that, by the way. Most people would not do that. So that just honestly just goes to show your tenacity and how much you wanted this. You pass, I'm sure that's a really big day for you. And you get into your first year of being a real estate agent. What was that like? I made a whopping $5,000 for my first year. I could have made more money working at McDonald's is what my exact thought was.

I'll never forget that moment. I just knew when I passed that exam here. I just knew that I was going to be rich. Okay. Like I just was like, oh my gosh, I got the paper that everybody had been getting to get these big houses. And my first year, I was a wobb. I call it walking around broke, okay? I did horrible my first year. But I didn't give up. I went back to my roots. I found my niche in real estate. I, you know, I door knocked for business. You know what I'm saying? I door knocked to sell magazines. I

door not to get my real estate doors. And I went on to be Century 21, rookie of the year, top producing agent. And then they honored me with the Centaurian Award and different things like that. So, you know, my second year was a lot better. I did over a million dollars in sales. Wow. Okay. Yeah. That's a big when you said, you said, uh, wobb, walking around, walking, walking, walking around broke. Walking around broke. That's right. I was a walk. Right. Man, it, it made me chuckle because I'm like, I think there's a few like real estate investors online right now who look like they, who look like they got it, but they, they, they, they wobbing around too. Yeah, that's it.

But no, so, so, you know, you kind of, you talked a little bit about $5,000 the first year and then the second year rookie of the year and all these awards. So obviously a lot went into like how you go from one to the other. But what you said to yourself, I could have made more working at McDonald's. Like what made you stick with this plan that didn't work like you thought it would in the first year versus just going to head and saying, you know what, I'm going to go get a different job. Like, what was that, what drove that decision for you? So I'm, I always tell people this, right? I'm street strong. It take a lot to break your girl. Okay. Like, I've been through hell and back. I feel like, you know, you literally got to kill me to take me out this game. And so I refuse to go down. I

refused to be defeated. You know, I didn't get this far just to get this far. And I knew that if I went and took that test seven times and I eventually passed, I can eventually pick up how this is supposed to go in real estate and start making money from it. So I was always, you know, very conscious of my mindset and the way I thought about things because the moment I say I'm done with something, the moment I don't want to do something, I'm done and I'm not doing it. So I had to be very careful not to let those words come out my mouth because I would have walked away if I would have been like, I give up or I quit or, you know, I made $5,000 this year. This is horrible. But when you see people around you, you know, doing one, two, three, five, ten million dollars, you're like, they're no

different than me. And I've always told myself that I'm no different than the next person other than they just kept on going to the next opportunity. If I stop here, I won't get to my next opportunity. So I think that's what was different for me. There's a lot of value in what you just said. there's a lot of lessons for for new investors in what you just said because because what you express is really the mindset that people need to have when they're not just approaching real estate, but any new business venture. Like it ain't supposed to be easy. Like it's not supposed to be easy. And the only thing in my opinion that sets apart successful investors from those who haven't found success yet, it's not that the successful people found the super secret sauce or super secret

bag of money nobody else found or the super secret deal source nobody else found. It's just that they didn't quit. Like, they didn't quit when it got hard. They didn't quit when they didn't make any money. They didn't quit when they spent money and didn't get a return. They didn't quit when a tenant, you know, destroyed their property. They didn't quit when the deal fell apart at the closing table. Like, it's just, it's the tenacity. And that that when people say you have to have the right mindset, I think a lot of the times it kind of just goes in people's one ear and out the other. There is so much gold in this story already. We're about to learn how Terrick has used that grit and tenacity to learn how to turn

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allowing yourself to say, hey, this isn't going to work or, hey, I'm done with this. Even playing it in your mind can really change the actions that you take. So I love that. I think that's valuable lessons for people. I mean, I think pretty much what it comes down to is like, we all suck when we get started at something. And the really successful people are just willing to be bad at something for a lot longer. And that's really the big difference in this world. I think people look around at real estate investors and they say, oh, they're all smarter than me. But it's like, what are the chances that every single successful real estate investors actually smarter than you? And it's like zero. They're all just regular people that are willing to be bad at something for a long

time until they're good. So, Terica, I don't want to gloss over this whole thing. I mean, you said the first year you made $5,000. It sounds like, you know, this is rough math here, but that means you sold roughly $150K worth of homes that first year. Then the second year, you said, you did about a million dollars in sales, which rough math here would say you almost 10xed your revenue or your closed sales. So what was that? What happened? What was the big moment there that was like, oh, okay, I'm just going to like 10x the amount of output that I'm doing this year. I've always been big on research and education. I have self-taught myself a lot of things. And literally it's by giving myself access to information. And I remember,

The big change for me was buying this CD. It was like a comeback CD. And like it was literally being able to get over every single objection that a seller and or a buyer would face you with. And I would listen to that like it was the Bible, like how I read my Bible, from sunup to sundown. Soon as I get in the car, I get out the car. You know, if I'm in the shower, I have the cassette playing in the bathroom. Like I'm constantly doing it and I'm constantly role playing. So now when I get on the phone, I need enough to navigate.

to be able to get prepared for these nodes I'm about to get. Because I already know Ms. Jones is about to tell me, no, I already know I'm about to get like 10 of them nose, right? So I got to prepare myself to be able to get to the yes with all of those nose. And for me, once I had that mindset, I was like, yo, that's really cool. The second thing was when I door knocked, I ended up getting my own subdivision from a lady because she was impressed with me door knocking. She wanted me, she wanted to know why should she go with me versus going with the top agent that she was going to go with. And I said, well, I can tell you, number one, I have time. Okay, I got way more time than anybody. I'm out here knocking on doors trying to get your business. Okay, your realtor not knocking on doors. That's the first thing. The second thing is, you're not going to be a number to me. You're going to remember me. So I made my relationships more personable with the sellers. I treated them as if they were actually a friend of mine and that their property was the only property in the world for me. and it landed me my first subdivision.

So, hold on, really fast, Terika, what do you mean by that? When you say it landed you your own subdivision, is it like one of those subdivisions where you, like a lot of them are pre-built and you're just the exclusive agent? Yes. At that point in time, yes, this was a lady who had, she had, I think it was like 60 lots or something like that. And so she literally allowed me to be the listing agent for that community. every single property she built, I was the listing agent to be able to sell those homes back there.

Wow. Whoa. Yes. So that went for me. I think people, and this is important for those that's on here that's in real estate. I went to a foreign place. I knew nobody. I was not a Tibado or Richel or a Boudreau. I didn't have a popular last name. I didn't have no referrals in the pipeline. I literally just started with what I was good at. And some of us have superpowers that we just don't access. But I I think if we start accessing the superpowers that we have, we'll realize our talents is more than enough. So what a cool, well, first of all, the story's amazing, but you knock on the door and you kind of have this, this lady kind of gives you your moment, right? She said, okay, tell me why you.

And like, there's not many people that can, like, point to a very specific moment that probably changed their life. But that like 30 second elevator pitch, right, moment right there was probably extremely life-changing for you because it seems like, and I'm speculating here, but it sounds like you being the listing agent for this developer probably gave you a lot of insights in education into the other side of the real estate world on the investor's side. Is that kind of how you transitioned? Well, yeah, absolutely. So this is a funny story that goes into this, right?

So, of course, it gave me name recognition in the area, right? When you have a whole subdivision, of course, people are going to see your names. Real estate is its own world. So everybody knows everybody in real estate who's doing something. If you ain't doing that, nobody know you, right? Well, long story short, I had started working with investors only. I realized there was a niche for investors that agents wasn't really working with. And so I would start working with investors.

And I remember sitting at the closing table with one of my investors, and I literally would do all of the work on these projects for them, meaning I would find the property. I would bring the contractors in to fix up the property. I would oversee the contractors, pick out the paint colors. I would do everything, listed, sell it, everything, right? And I was sitting at the closing table one day, and the attorney gave me the folder, the closing folder, which was supposed to have my commission check in it as a realtor. Now, I should be grateful because I have investors that let me, you know, come in or whatever, and they're buying it with me. They're selling it with me.

You know, I should be very grateful. Well, they end up giving me that investor folder. And when I've seen those zeros in his folder, I couldn't unsee what I said. I was like, yo. Now, mind you, I said, oh, I'm sitting at the wrong end of the table. I need to be on that end where they get in the big zeros and do. going, you know, the least amount of work. And so I had a conversation with all my investors at that time. And I said, hey, I'm going to work for you guys, but we're going to split it 50-50.

And I'm not putting up no money. I'm not putting up no money. I'm going to do all the work and I'm going to do everything I've been doing, but you got to split it with me 50-50. I lost all my investors except one. One investor stayed with me. And me and him did about 10 homes following. And then he started telling all his friends about me. And guess what? When his friends came to the table. They knew if they was going to work with me, it was going to be a 50-50 deal and I wasn't putting up no money. Okay. All right. So let's go back because I love this. So you're basically saying, I want to use OPM. I want to use other people's money to fund my real estate journey, I suppose. So you go, you're a listing agent and you're starting to talk to investors and basically

you come in, I don't want to say making demands, but you come in with your terms. You say, hey, I want this. And you had a group, I think you said of 10 or so investors. Most of them said, yeah, those terms don't work for us. Thanks, but no thanks. They all left. And then one person was like, actually, I'm good with this. And then that is the, that was kind of like the beginning of working with someone to fuel the empires.

Did I hear that correctly? Yeah, it was way more than 10 investors. I lost all my investors except one. But that one investor went on to do 10 deals with me and that got the attention with his other friends. And the draw for the investor was you were the workhorse. you were finding them the property, managing the build, the renovation, the contractors, like all they had to do was show up and get paid essentially.

That's it. Okay. I like this. Were you negotiable at all on this? Or were you like, this is what I want? Rob, Rob, have you been on this interview? Do you think she was negotiated? Rob, let me just tell you something.

I mentioned earlier, right? I said, I'm street strong. If one thing I know how to do is make it. out of a struggle. So if I had to struggle back from the beginning with zero to get to where I'm at, I was willing to do it. And pretty much I did. I only had one buddy that stayed with me. You know, shout out to him. We still rock together to this day, you know. Well, I ask because most of the time we are really, you know, we're like, hey, this is what I want. And when someone's like, no, thanks, it's always like, oh, okay, well, I mean, what do you

want? And then maybe I can come down a little bit. But you didn't change. I love it. It's sticking to your guns. This guy did 10 deals with you. of those 10 deals, it was a 50-50 split for you and him, but he didn't have to do any work. And so you said you did 10 deals, but you guys are still working together now. Is the relationship different? Like what? Oh, it's much different. Yeah, it's much different because I'm a developer now.

So you make him do the work. I think I'd have passed him on his, on what he's comfortable with, you know, doing. But, yeah, no, we. still work. I mean, we still hang out. We go out and eat. You know, we do things like that. But, you know, I'm pretty aggressive in this market. So, you know, I like filet mignon. So that means I like, you know, I like to eat good in this market. And, you know, he still does a lot of the fixing flips and rentals. And, you know, from here or there, when I feel bored, you know, in developments, I go dabble over there. We go, you know, make it like old times. But for the most

part, you know, we're just really good friends. Okay. So that's a, uh, You keep revealing just massive aspects of your story that I'm like, hold on, wait, what? So you're working with these investors. You do the work. You split it 50, 50. And then there comes a moment in this, I guess, transition of doing renovations and flips where you're like, I want to start developing. Tell us a little bit about that.

What was that moment or that change in your career? So what happened was... Wait, let me guess. Every transition in her career, it's because she saw somebody was making more zeros. And she said, I'm going to go figure out how to be better than you at that and get them zeros. That's right. That's right. So I was at a builder's meeting.

And I was sitting on the UDC board, which is the Urban Development Committee, right? And that's a committee where all of the builders and developers and everybody like that join together. They give input on ways that they can get different developers to come into the areas and things like that. And so I was sitting there and one builder was talking about the new home he was going to build. Now, mind you, I never thought about building new homes. At this point in time, I'm just a fixing flipper. And he was saying how he was buying lots and he was just putting them up in different communities. And I'm like, wait, you build a new homes in older communities?

I never even thought of that. So I went and partnered with a builder. And what that partnership looked like was I went, I found the lots and I paid for the lots. And then I had the builder come in and we would build on those lots together and we would split the profit 50-50. The reason why I did that was because I needed to understand how to build new construction. I knew nothing about it. And being in a fix and flip, you pretty much, you know, depending on the type of home, you're pretty much rebuilding it anyway. So I knew that I could possibly do it.

But I wanted to make sure that I had some type of experience from someone would experience. And so I partnered with a builder. we built four homes in an existing community. We sold those homes before we even finished building them. And I'm like, yo, this is some really great money. So then I was like, okay, if I can do this, then I'm sure I can be a developer, but I didn't know how to be a developer. And so one of my friends at a dinner said, hey, I'm putting my grandchildren name on

a street sign. And I'm like, what? You can put people name on the street signs? I didn't even know that was a thing. Like I didn't know people sit down and have conversations about that, right? somebody it's about being in the right room and having the right access to the right information you start learning these things so me being being who I am I'm like I want my children name on a street sign too so I go and I develop a community it's called Madeline

Cove and then I put my son name on the street sign now I didn't just come become a developer what I did was I actually worked with the builder we built a few more properties and then I eventually ended up in a few more development partnerships with other builders who wanted to be developers. So I was able to witness on the back end that operation. And then I was like, okay, I feel confident enough to be able to go do my own development. And that's how I was able to start Madeline Cove and put my children name on street signs. First of all, I think you're just a good Good storyteller because within these stories, there's so many great lessons for people if they're wanting to get into real estate or into development. And I think one of the lessons that we're hearing here is you didn't just say, I'm going to go be a developer and jump off the cliff because there's a lot of risk in being a developer, right?

Especially if you have to go acquire the land and you don't know what that land has useful or if you can even do what you want to do or call. A bit like there's so many variables and so much money gets spent with development before, you know, a two by four is ever put in the ground. And so what you did that was super smart was you said, I'm going to go partner with somebody who knows how to do this. And I'm going to structure it in a way that's beneficial to that partner and myself so that I get a lesson while I make money. And, you know, I always stress to people, if you're going to get into something that's not your bread and butter, there are people who are good. at it. And there are ways that you can set yourself up to partner with those people or be successful. You need to bring them the thing that they don't have. I wanted to do a self-storage deal. I wanted to do one so bad. And I thought the only way I'm going to do a self-storage deal is I got to go find a self-storage deal. Because if I get a self-storage deal, I know I can find a guy who does self-stores storage to come be a 50-50 partner with me. And that's exactly how I did my first self-storage deal. I got a lead. And it just so happened to be a lead on a self-storage facility that this guy had

been trying to market to. And so I call, once I got the lead, I called him and I was like, hey, I think this is a good deal. How do we take it down? And if we do, do you want to be 50, 50 partners? And that ended up netting us our first stores deal. So I think that there's a valuable lesson there and find someone who's doing it and bring them some value and you can get a deal. And then you worked with this developer. You built this relationship. You did a few projects until you felt like, okay, I know how to go do this, and then you wouldn't found your neighborhood to put your family's name on. Is that what I'm hearing? That's absolutely correct. Gives me goosebumps. Yeah, it's amazing. So can I ask a little bit about the details of sort of working with the developer?

I think you mentioned, you found someone you said, hey, let's split this 50-50. How does that work? Like, do they have like a fund or do they have like a commercial line of credit with the bank? And then they fund it all through there. And they're basically on the hook for that commercial loan financially. And then, yeah, basically after all that loan is paid back and you make your sale, you're just splitting profits from there. Is it, is it that easier? Is it even more complex than that? No, it's not even complex, right? So I think it all depends on, you know, the builder slash developer, whatever, whichever route you want to go. For us, we had a relationship with a local bank. And so the developer, whenever, so this is how development goes, right? Whenever we find a

partial of land and we do the subdivide and we do all of our civil, we are already pre-selling lots. So by the time we get to 50% sold in our community before we even do shovel, like before we even shovel ready, we're already 50% sold. We go to the bank and we pledge that book of business with the bank. And they see the LOIs, the letter of commitments we have, letter of intents, but the letter of commitments we have from other builders in the area who has agreed to purchase these lots from us. And then they give us the finance and for the hard costs to be able to get started with the infrastructure. And then, of course, you got your lot allocation with the bank where they're going to, you know, they're going to

have a certain portion that's due on each lot. Every time you close, you've got to pay down your loan on it. And then from there, you know, we're able to split the profit. Now, how you come in as a partner, like for me, I'm adding value is I'm going to do all the city council meetings. I'm going to go to all the civil. You know, most developers, they want to do that anyway. But if they have somebody that's going to be in the weeds with them, that is, you know, it's a great partnership opportunity, you know. And so I'm also going to put in whatever the bank requires for that 20% down. I'm going to come in.

I got to bring in my 10% of the portion if I want to be an equal partner in that deal. And that usually look like me bringing in other investors on the back end of under me, creating some type of GPLP situation to be able to get my 10% if it's, you know, a multimillion dollar development. For anybody at home that may not know, that is that's general partner and limited partner. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, right. Yeah. And so, you know, we put those together. And then from there, you know, we're able to go and acquire it and, you know, split the profits at the end whenever, you know, we sell the property. Very cool. Very cool. So, okay. This is really amazing, by the way. I mean, I think you know this. This is such a cool story. You're obviously, you're crushing it. You go into the development world. I'd imagine it's a little competitive. So what was sort of your angle or what was your idea for making your neighborhood

different or your subdivision different from some of the competition in New Orleans? So just so we cleared this community is in a few hours away from New Orleans. You know, people be trying to derby on the internet, you know. But anyways. So. Yeah, I do know. You know, so I'm big on preventing gentrification and I'm big on community projects and allowing people that come from situations such as myself, low income, Section 8, you know, affordable house and subsidy. I'm big on catering to that audience. So, Rob, I see no competition in my lane.

There's nobody in the United States that can compete. And I say this aggressively. Now, this is national builders. If they want to come on down to this level, I think it'll be a party for, you know, 80% of Americans, right? But there's nobody building homes less than $200,000 in this marketplace today, but me. You know, so I am okay with making, you know, 40 to $60,000 on a real estate deal, new construction home, brand new, three bedrooms, two baths, I'm talking a garage, I'm not even putting these people in carports, you know, granite countertops, energy, fishing windows, architectural shingles,

like, it's a really nice home that we're building for the people. people, there's nobody who can compete with that. And so whenever I'm bringing these communities to these neighborhoods, I'm door knocking back to my roots, back to my superpower, right? If you put me in front of you, Rob, I can sell your furniture back to you when I go to your house. That's how good I am, right? I really believe that. So because I know who I am, when I go and knock on these people doors and I'm addressing their pain points and I'm letting them know, I'm not coming in here to push you out your neighborhood. I'm coming in here to include you in your neighborhood. What is it that you would like to see in the neighborhood. Oh, we'll like to see the violence calm down. Okay, great.

How about we create an opportunity where, one, we create some type of recreational activity where kids have a place to go and play. Maybe we have a bookstore in the area because bookstores don't go into the hood, period. So maybe I create bookstores that go into these neighborhoods that don't normally get bookstores. Maybe I create a coffee shop where kids can go sit down, study, and want to learn. Maybe I create these environments that these neighborhoods, would normally see and now you know you're able to address the pain points of what some of these people have another pain point they have is that they don't feel like people hear now they voices are not heard so I'm like not only do I hear you right I am here physically I'm from where you

from I come from so I'm not afraid of these gangbangers and all these other people that may scare people in the area I'm not scared of them like you know I just look the um drug dealer like I don't care I'll stand up to him like you know period And so because I have that tenacity about me and because I'm that hometown girl and because I'm not an out of reach developer, people in the community, they rock with me more. You know, we went door to door explaining to everyone what we was doing, passing out flyers, but also, you know, just doing neighborhood cookouts, community events, making them know that, hey, we here for you guys. We want this to be for you. And my audience, the people who I build home for, the people who I'm selling homes for is the cafeteria workers in the hospital, right? I'm focused on that median income of anywhere from 30,000 a year to about 60 to 70,000 a year.

That's who I'm focused on building homes for because that is what the, that's kind of like what the middle class in the South is making. So if I can focus on providing home ownership to those individuals who's been working at the same job for 10 to 15 years, And I feel like, you know, there's no competition in my lane rob. I hope that answer that question. It did. It absolutely did. This is, I'm just going to be frank. Like, this is why I wanted to have you on here telling this story.

Because all we hear right now is there's no affordable housing. There's no way to build affordable housing. We can't solve this problem. No one wants to solve this problem. And you've essentially. laid out a brew plant for how people can solve this problem. So I think what you're what you're proving is that yeah, this problem can be solved right. This problem is being solved. And what it's taking is for somebody to get down and go meet people where they're at. And I think that's where

that's what sets you apart from everybody else. As nobody else is willing to do that. And you are building homes and improving communities without displacing the people within that community. And so many times we see people come in and build these beautiful homes and these beautiful neighborhoods and these beautiful amenities, but they're not for the people in that neighborhood. They priced them at a price point where the people in that neighborhood can't have access to those amenities. And you're doing the exact opposite. that you're building these beautiful communities, but building it in a way that allows the people

within that community to have access. And I want to commend you for that. I think that that's incredible and more people need to see that it is currently happening and can be done and can be profitable. That's huge. I think a lot of people get super scared to go into the affordable housing side of things because they think that there's no money to be made. But you said that these are, I mean, each build is a relatively profitable build. That's right. And I don't use the government money. So a lot of people associate affordable housing with subsidy. I don't use government money. This is my own money that we use to go to the bank. I'm using traditional funding just like anybody else. So I'm not getting no tax credits.

I'm not getting any of that. This is literally, you know, us working with Home Depot and working with the lows around the world and getting corporate discounts and being able to sit down and have these hours at a time meeting to drive the pricing down price per square foot so we can build them at the price that these people need. And also not just focusing on building homes, it's more than that, right? There's a food desert. You know, there's a health care desert. You know, in the area that I'm building it, if a railroad train is passing, there's no health care. That means you can't get to an emergency room if a train is passing. So we're more focused on bringing, you know, those type of opportunities back into these communities where these people don't have transportation.

They rely on public transportation. So if we can provide food, housing, and medical, I think that you know, that's a start to getting our community back to where it needs to be. This is incredibly powerful and there's a lot more depth to explore here. Now that we've uncovered how Terica is single-handedly tackling the affordability crisis, let's dive into how she opens up opportunities for other investors in her region. Plus, we'll discuss the insightful advice she offers to new investors right after the break. For decades, real estate has been a cornerstone of the world's largest portfolios. But it's also historically been sort of complex, time-consuming, and expensive.

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So if they know Terica, you know, is in here and I'm trying to help them and I'm trying to keep them, you know, in the environment that they're used to that they've been there for generations. But I'm just trying to uplift them and bring them, you know, better product in their community. Then I need for them to have my back. But also, if they have a particular. you know, pain point. Like, for instance, you know, they want children to be able to have a basketball court or things like that. I do put those into my designs because that is so important for them. And it helps them know that I'm a woman of my wording that I'm going to be true to what they're asking. Absolutely. Irritates me every time I go into a community and I see somebody build a park and not put a

basketball court because then I know you ain't build that park for the people that's there. You're trying to push the people that's there out. If I see a new park go up with a basketball court, I'm like, that's for my people. Yes. Yes. So let me ask you, Terika, because you're building and you're developing a lot of new homes. What does that do to the equity of existing homes? Is that help them? Does that hurt them? Does it build up the entire community? How does that look from like a grander view?

Oh, that's such a great question, Rob. So where I build that, nobody want to come at right now anyway, unless they want to come bulldoze everything down in the area and then just start fresh. So everything that I do, like where I'm building at, before I started building, home values have not increased in over 10 years. Could you imagine not having appreciation in your house in over 10 years, right? So we took a property. These homes didn't sell for more than $30,000 to $40,000 in this area. Now they're selling at about $85,000 because of our new construction homes that we're building in proximity. Not only are those home values increasing, now we're increasing the property value in those areas.

so you just can't come and steal it from nobody anymore. You got to pay what it's worth. And so now with us having homes that's being built at $175,000, $180,000, everything up under $200, right? Now people are like, yo, like, you know, first the bank didn't even want to give us no money, Rob. I didn't tell you that. They was like, yo, nobody's going to buy over there. So the first 12 homes, we had to build out our own pocket without the bank. Now they're throwing money at us because we can't keep them on the ground.

It's a high need for it's a high demand. You know, so that's why I say we don't have no competition because nobody can build and do what we're doing right now. They can. They just don't want to. And I believe that somebody listening to this is going to be inspired. I believe that you are going to light a fire under somebody who's going to hear like, oh, my goodness, this is what I need to be doing for my community. This is what I need to be doing in the community around where I live. And so what advice?

or what would you say to those people who were new and they want to implement a strategy like what you're doing in 2024? I would say this. Get around people who's doing exactly what you want to do, right? This is the, to me, I mean, I can be biased, but I think bigger pockets is the number one podcast in the world on real estate information. I don't know of another podcast in the world that gives as much resources as this podcast. And it's not to fluff y'all feathers because I'm on here. It's true. No, go ahead.

Right. It's true, right? And so being in rooms like this, listening to conversations like this, going to bigger pockets and looking at the fix and flip calculator, looking at the multifamily, all of the resources and tools. If there's an article on anything real estate, I bet you your last dollar, it's on bigger pockets. And so just becoming a sponge with all of the information and the resources that are already given to you.

I think people dismiss that. Like, they dismiss all of the, the, the calculators that you guys give just for free. I'm like, yo, this is, I'll be charging for this. I don't get this away for free, right? So, you know what I said? So to know that it's a platform out there that's a hub of information that's given this, I would say start there. The second thing I would say is get a coach or a mentor.

Like, if you hear my story, I had to learn it through someone else. And I was okay with paying for what I need. it to learn. I was okay with paying, you know, to take my real estate exam seven times. So I think it's important to know that you have to be willing to make some type of investment in yourself to be able to get where you want to go and not be afraid to make that investment. And then I would say the most important thing is to believe in yourself. Everybody's going to tell you it's crazy. They're going to say it don't make sense. They're not going to understand it. But I think I go to the bank more than anybody in my family. And now they can appreciate advice from me when it comes out my mouth.

That's amazing. Well, Terica, we so appreciate this. This is what I always dubbed as an instant classic. I think a lot of people are going to listen to this, and they're going to be super inspired to take action today. And for anyone that was at home, if you're in need of some of these tools and resources, you can always head over to biggerpockets.com. There's a little tab there that's called Tools. If you click on that, it'll take you to all of our calculators. And if you want to connect with Terica or Henry or myself, all of our contact information, all of our good stuff for connecting on the internet will be in the show notes at the bottom of this podcast. Thank you again so much, Terica.

We greatly enjoyed having you on. Thanks for having me. Yes, of course. And we will catch everyone on the next episode of Bigger Pockets. Thank you all for listening to the Bigger Pockets Real Estate podcast. Make sure you get all our new episodes by subscribing on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Our new episodes come out Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

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