BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast - BiggerPockets Bonus: Q&As, Deal Reviews, and Cameos from Your Favorite Hosts

Episode Date: November 3, 2022

Real estate investing wouldn’t be the same without BiggerPockets. If you were lucky enough to attend BPCon 2022 in sunny San Diego, you’ll know what we mean. With a sea of investors ready to network, advise, and invest with one another, this event shows how powerful the community of real estate investors is. But even if you weren’t able to make it this year, you can still get a sneak peek at what a BPCon panel looks like! On this bonus episode, sponsored by Rent to Retirement, we take hosts from all our different podcasts to give their advice, expertise, and tips to new and aspiring real estate investors. You’ll hear Ashley Kehr and Tony Robinson from the Real Estate Rookie Podcast answer tactical questions on partnerships, LLCs, and refinancing. Then, BiggerPockets Money Podcast host Mindy Jensen joins The Real Estate InvestHer Show duo, Liz Faircloth and Andresa Guidelli, to play the “spend or save” game. We also bring on the whole cast of our newest show, On the Market, to analyze two deals live in front of the entire audience to see whether or not two flips are flops. Finally, for all you original BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast listeners, we have David Greene and Rob Abasolo welcoming a special guest back to the show—one that many of you surely missed. In This Episode We Cover: How to apply for a mentorship with hosts from your favorite BiggerPockets Podcast When to keep properties in your personal name vs. in an LLC Spending vs. saving, and when to pay top price for contractors, cars, self-care, and more! Live deal reviews of two “profitable” flips in a hot market and why you can’t always trust the numbers A special cameo from a long-time friend of the show David’s secret jiu-jitsu move to instantly de-escalate an attack from Rob Abasolo  And So Much More! Links from the Show Find an Investor-Friendly Real Estate Agent BiggerPockets Youtube Channel BiggerPockets Forums BiggerPockets Pro Membership BiggerPockets Bookstore BiggerPockets Bootcamps BiggerPockets Podcast BiggerPockets Merch Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place Learn About Real Estate, The Housing Market, and Money Management with The BiggerPockets Podcasts Get More Deals Done with The BiggerPockets Investing Tools Find a BiggerPockets Real Estate Meetup in Your Area Hear Last Year’s Live Panel from BPCon 2021 Rookie Podcast 106: Asset Protection on Rookie Mentorships on InvestHer BiggerPockets Podcast 443 with Jim Kwik David's BiggerPockets Profile Rob's BiggerPockets Profile Brandon's BiggerPockets Profile Dave's BiggerPockets Profile Ashley's BiggerPockets Profile Tony's BiggerPockets Profile Mindy's BiggerPockets Profile Andresa's BiggerPockets Profile Liz' BiggerPockets Profile Henry's BiggerPockets Profile James' BiggerPockets Profile Jamil's BiggerPockets Profile Kathy's BiggerPockets Profile Click here to check the full show notes: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-BONUS Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Check out our sponsor page! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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every different Bigger Pockets podcast to do something unique and special. And Rob and I were up there as well. Well, if you didn't attend BPCon, you can get a chance to live. listen and see and hear what we did. So, for instance, many of you saw on Instagram that I was teaching Brandon Jiu-Jitsu, and there are pictures of me straddling him on his front lawn. Well, I didn't want Rob to be left out, so Rob got his own experience with the green straddle at the show. And if you watch this on YouTube, you can see it yourself. Rob, first question, have you recovered from the psychological trauma of that event? No, no, I haven't even told my wife. How could I? You know, How could I? There's too much trauma for me in 10 seconds, but my arm finally starting to feel a little

better. It's back in its socket, which is great. It might be a little awkward when I meet your wife for the first time after that experience. I really didn't think about that when we were going through with it. Yeah, she saw all the Instagrams. A lot of people like tag me. And she's like, um, what happened? And I was like, I need therapy. I can't. I'm not ready to talk about it yet. Well, Rob is okay. And we had a last recording that episode with a little cameo from Brandon Turner, my best friend and the former host of this podcast. We also want to give a special thanks to one of our platinum event sponsors at BPCon, Rent to Retirement, for their huge contribution to BPCon 22 and making it the best conference it could possibly be. They sponsored us. They made the thing possible. Thank you very much

Rent to Retirement for what you did. Rob, what would you like people to know about? this upcoming episode. Oh man, you get it. This is legitimately like a variety show of real estate. You're getting like Shark Tank. You're getting a live rookie reply. You're getting witty banter of me, you and Brandon Turner. So many goodies in this episode. So definitely stick around to the end because it gets pretty, pretty off the rails there. But yeah, that could be my favorite episode that we have never done because it was only just a preview. You know, just a little snippet of us. You know, now that I'm thinking about it, you actually get martial arts from both me and Rob. If you watch this on YouTube, you will get to see Rob practicing his own unique study of martial arts that involves home decor combined with intense karate shopping.

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Or call 800-311-6-7-81. That's 800-3-1-6-7-8-1 to learn more about how you can get started investing in some of the best cash flow markets today. Please welcome Tony Robinson and Ashley Care from the real estate. Who here met somebody new? All right. Who here met somebody that they didn't know and they never want to meet them? No, I'm kidding.

But that's the cool part about coming to events like this. Obviously, the content is always fun, but the people that you're sitting next to, the conversations you have late at night at the bar, those are the kind of things that might change your life. So we're always excited to hear those stories and encourage that networking aspect. Cool. So we have a couple of announcements we want to make real quick before we get into a it. First off, we have something really new and exciting coming to the Real Estate Rookie podcast, and that is we are actually going to be doing a mentorship on the podcast. So we are giving you guys

first grabs at this. So if you are interested in being mentored on the show, we're going to record all the content so we can share it with everyone. Make sure you send a DM to bigger pockets, and you're going to put the word mentor in it. And we're going to choose somebody to come on the show where we mentor them over, I think it's 90 days we're doing it. So we're really excited about this. We actually just find out that we got final approval to do this. If you guys want to be involved, make sure you send a DM to bigger pockets and say mentor. Yeah, it's going to be a really, really fun thing. You know, we've been talking more internally about how can we make the show a little bit more tactical and also have a bigger impact on our audience. And we thought,

what better way than picking a rookie and walking with them for 90 days on starting and scaling that business. So again, if you want to join DM the word mentor to the bigger pockets Instagram, and if you don't have an Instagram, create an Instagram, follow Bigger Pockets and then DM the word Instagram. Cool. You guys ready for some questions? Oh, come on. Are you guys ready for some questions? Can you read that far? I actually can't read that far, so I'm going to have to stand up because I had a little screen and small. Okay. So this question says, from Wisconsin, new to the group, and I'm excited about reading all these different scenarios. My friend and I have partnered together and obtained a full gut property and we'll decide at the end either to flip it or to burr it.

So the question is the property is under his name only and we're thinking of purchasing a duplex as an owner occupied under my name. Do we look to do an LLC or keep it separate like we are? So the question is LLC's or kind of keeping things separate with one person's name on the other. So what are your thoughts, Ash? I think if you're going to partner with someone, you either do a joint venture or you do an LLC. You give yourself some type of protection. You don't go and just put both of your personal names on that property. So in this instance right here, so the property is already under his name only, and they want to go and purchase a duplex as owner occupied under his name. The way that you can do it is do a joint venture agreement in this scenario. So him and as his

health will have the LLC that he will put, you actually, you should explain this better because that is actually what you do. Yeah, so we've done it both ways. We've done joint ventures and we've done LLCs. if we do an LLC with someone, it's typically because we plan to do multiple deals with them. But if it's just like... But do it in their personal name. Like, hey, have the mortgage of the personal name. Yeah. So, like, our partner will have the mortgage in their name, but we'll still have the LLC that kind of binds us all together.

Or we'll do it with the joint venture agreement. And we use that only if we're doing like a one-off deal with someone. And the JV agreement is like Tony's LLC, this other person's LLC. And it outlines all the stipulations of that partnership and the agreement and what happens if, you know, we need to sell or if we need to do these other things. So it gives all the guidelines of what that partnership looks like. Yeah, so you just have to be careful that if you are going forward that financing, if you want that primary residence financing or that owner-occupied financing, you want that 30-year fixed with the lower interest rate than if it was an investment property,

you most of the time will have to put it into your personal name. I have found one bank that would let you put it into an LLC. So if you are partnering with someone, look at doing a joint venture agreement where it's not, just you and their personal names on the deed, you're actually doing the joint venture, making some kind of agreement together so that there's some kind of operation in place and make sure you're going through everything. So if anybody was at our partnership presentation yesterday, you would already know the answer to this question. But going through and kind of looking at, okay, what's the exit strategies, not just how we're structuring

the deal now, but what we're going to be doing in the future to what happens, all these would have scenarios too. like a quick tip, something we put in all of our JV agreements is we have a default sell date of five years after the property closes. So if for whatever reason, either person doesn't want to renew, the default option is to sell the property. And we put that in there because it's like, you know, you want to date a little bit before you really get married to someone. So we figured, okay, if we get into this one deal, we can write it out for a few years. If the partnership doesn't work out, there's no back and forth around what do we do with the property. The contract we all signed says

we're going to sell it in five years. So kind of a quick and easy way to keep things easy on the exit. And as your net worth grows and you have a lot of personal assets, I would highly recommend that you do not put property in your personal name, especially if you're partnering on it, because it does expose you to a lot of liability. You can put umbrella insurance on the property, which gives you some layer of protection, but you want to protect your assets. And the reason that a lot of people get LLCs is because they have a high net worth or they have a high net worth or they have. assets and that way people can't go over them as long as they're abiding by you know keeping proper books and everything for an LLC penetrating that

corporate valve so I would say that if you are doing a partnership look into doing an LLC and it's probably worth getting that you know commercial financing on the property to have that layer of protection then putting it into an your personal name one of our best episodes was that asset protection episode I don't remember which episode number it was but If you guys want to get into the weeds about asset protection, we had them on for two episodes, I think. And both of them are like some of our best performing episodes. And it scared the crap out of me because it made me feel like I was doing everything wrong.

So definitely go check that episode out if you guys want more about asset protection. And we'll add it to the show notes of this episode. And I'm surprised we don't remember it because we reference it all the time. Okay, cool. Next question. All right. So I'm in the process of selling a house that I own 50-50 with a partner. Is it possible to 1031 just my 50% of it?

my partner's pretty sure she doesn't want a 1031 her half. So I've only done one 1031. How many have you done? I've never done one, but I've done some for another investor. Yeah, so in our 1031 that we did, we each had to get our own account set up with the 1031 intermediate. So first time I take a step back. So what is 1031 for those that don't know?

So when you sell a property, typically you have to pay taxes on those gains. But if you use what's called a 1031 exchange, you can move those proceeds into another property tax-free, okay? So it allows you to take all of your profits without paying any taxes. You can roll it into another property. Great way to build wealth and real estate. So we sold a property last summer and we 1031 those funds into another property. I own 50% of that house.

My partner owned 50% of that house. And when we went to set up the 1031, both of us had to create accounts with that 1031 intermediary in order to move those funds into the next account. So I'm not 100% sure, but I'm 99% sure that if you wanted to move just your 50% funds, you would be able to, they could take theirs, you know, and get a tax and do whatever they want with their 50%. You can't do that, actually.

You guys bought another property together with it. We did buy another property together. You have to keep the same ownership when you do the 1031 exchange. So even though you're setting up those separate accounts, you have to keep the same ownership when you do the 1031 exchange into the new property. And it has to be a like-kind property, hence 1031 like-kind exchange. Well, there you go. So, but later on, you can change the ownership.

ship. So I don't know what the rule is now, but when I had done it for another investor, it was he had to wait two years with his partner until they were able to separate out of the LLC and the one partner took his equity and went and did something else with it. Yeah, we used not Madison Spex. Madison Spex has like, it was Madison Spex? Yeah, we used a company called Madison Spex to do our 1031. There's a bunch from out there. And it's like super inexpensive. So like they know all the rules. So like you tell them what you're trying to do, they'll let you know what you can and you can't do. So I'd say talk to a good 1030. You want intermediary to help you out with that.

All right, let's go to the next question here. Hey, guys, it looks like my clicker. My clicker died on me. I don't know if there's a way for us to get to the next question here. There we go. All right. So this one says, hi, in the midst of doing our first refi on our rental, they're asking for a letter of explanation for the cash out.

What do you guys put in your explanations? How receptive are they when you tell them that you're burying? So I've actually never had to do this. Every time I've done a refi, the bank's already new, like, at the beginning that I was doing a cash-out refi to Burr it. So I've never actually had to write an explanation. Have you had that experience yet? Yeah, I have them asked not actually, like, write an explanation for it, but just be honest. I mean, I think they want to know you're not taking the money to go and gamble in Vegas, things like that.

But if you're going to take the money to go buy another property, that's a great thing. The bank is going to see that you're going to buy something to add more rental income. income to you. That's way better than taking that money and going and spending on buying yourself all new furniture. So, yeah, I don't think that I've never had a bank. I've never heard of anyone being turned down from a bank by them explaining what exactly they were using the funds for. Yeah, and talk to your loan officer too, right? Like, they're going to be able to help you navigate that whole underwriting process. So, yeah, but being honest is probably the best route to go. All right, was that all the questions? Yeah, we only have 15 minutes. We got cut down because

Tarrell talked too much when he was up here, so we all had to cut it short. So thank you guys so much for joining us for our rookie reply. And don't forget to DM Bigger Pockets mentor. And thank you guys so much for listening to the podcast. And as we're walking off the stage, it's a long walk back. So if everybody could get out their phone and subscribe to the Real Estate Rookie podcast, and please leave us an honest rating and review. We would appreciate it because we're trying to beat James Dainerd.

and all the reviews you guys gave out to him this week. Every single one says, James is the best. James is awesome. We love James. Yeah, we need some encouraging words to me and Ashley. I don't know if you guys have listened to the podcast. We've got some pretty funny reviews. People always make fun of Ashley's laugh,

and people talk about how boring I say on the microphone. So we just need some more love in the reviews if you guys can help us out. All right. Cool. Thank you guys so much. We appreciate you guys. Well, thank you, Tony and Ashley, for that.

We appreciate it. The next podcast we have up is we're doing a combination with the Money Podcast and the Invest Her podcast. So please give a warm welcome to Mindy, to my great friend, Liz, who I always have fun with, and to Andresa. I feel like a rock star. I know. Totally. So we handed these out to a couple of people as we walked up. These are our save or spend, save or splurge on your items.

So first up, the contractor. Liz, Andresa, do you save money on a contractor, or do you spend money on a contractor? Most definitely. I've seen my three. That means it's very powerful. Spend, spend, spend. Let me tell you about the time that I saved money on a contractor.

It was a horrible experience. I actually can't tell you this story because it gives me heart palpitations when I think about it. Liz, have you ever saved money on a contractor? Many times. What is that saying if you think it's expensive to hire a professional, try hiring an amateur? When we started investing, I remember we had three bids because they tell you to get three bids. How many people get three bids?

And then we took the cheapest one because that made sense because that's how, you know, some money story came from. But in time, you learn, you get what you pay for. Keep getting the three bids, but don't take the cheapest bid. They usually take the longest and you spend more in the end. Yeah, that's my experience. And just a quick tip. If you are getting three bids and they are completely different from each other,

$50,000, $100,000, you need to go back to your scope of work and your finishes because that's where it is. They are confused about what do you mean, what needs to be done, and what type of finishes you are referring to. So those two documents can help you. to have more accurate estimate. Okay, the next item up, a brand new car. Sorry, we're not giving this away.

Liz Andresa, do you save or do you spend on a brand new car? I'm going to go save. I'm going to say save too. If you listen to Bigger Pockets Money podcast, you will hear the number one biggest money mistake that our guests make over and over again is the brand new car. I bought a car when I didn't, when I couldn't afford it. I bought a car because I deserved it.

If you can't afford it, you don't deserve it. Simple. The home inspection. For new investors or for experienced investors, do we need a caveat or doesn't matter? You know what? That's a really good point. Just saying, I'll do one. But I'll go with spend.

I'll go with one spend. Not three. It doesn't warrant that. I'm going to go with spend. I'm going to say I have a rule of thumb for home inspections. Oh. It goes a little like this. Always, always, always, always, always.

Always get a home inspection. If you are asking if you need a home inspection, you need a home inspection. If you think you don't need a home inspection, you need a home inspection. Brian Burke doesn't need a home inspection. If you're not Brian Burke, you need a home inspection. He probably gets a home inspection. And I think we often think we need to know everything on these deals and these projects. But use experts. That's why they do what they do. And I think often, especially for a lot of the women that we talk to and we engage with, we think we need to know everything versus just leaning on those experts. That's just one of many experts. So they're worth their weight and gold.

That's a really great point. You don't have to know everything. You just have to know somebody who knows the thing that you don't. Do you spend money on a CRM? What's a CRM? Is it a new investor? This is an existing investor. What stage are we in our business? I'll go like in the middle. Yeah. It's a customer relationship management.

So if you don't know what that is, forget about it. I'm going to do this. I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to do this. But if you have a ton of leads and you need to manage that, you have a lot of sellers in your database, then you can start just to find the investment in a CRM. Other than that, you don't need the fancy computer. the fancy CRM, they are expensive, but if you have the leads that justify the investment,

go forward. But if you're starting out, I don't think so. I love that. Yeah, if you have zero properties, you don't need a $10,000 CRM. Actually, I don't have a CRM because I don't have super deal flow right now, and I don't even know how much they cost. But yeah, if you're asking if you need a CRM, at the same time, you're asking if you need a home inspection, yes, you need the inspection, no, you don't need the CRM. A good way to think of it. There's actually a great book out there called Turning Pro and talks about being like an amateur to like a pro in a sense. So when you think about yourself, we used to

raise, not used to, we too raised money from private money. And what happens is like we had a spreadsheet and there's all these people. And then you get to a point where you're like, you know what, we want to like turn pro. In a sense we want to professionalize our business, right? We want to really grow. So that point it made sense to invest in that specific type of investor CRM. But until then, just get your business going. Start making it.

take an action. I love that. That's what I got. Short-term rental furnishings. Who wants to cheap out on their short-term rental furnishings? I'm raising my hand because I cheaped out. I'd say spend on that. I'm going against spending. What you're right? Spend. Spend. Spend. I'm going to say save where you can. The bed is not where you save. You want to have a comfortable bed in your short-term rental furnishings, but does it matter what kind of dishes you get? Do you need super crystal dishes? no. I'm going to say save where you can and spend on what's really, really important. I like that. I would say depending on the market, right? If you are the type of short-term rental you're offering.

So same thing with rehab. You don't over-rehab. Same thing with short-term rental. You just want to copy what's working in that area and add a little bit more. Don't go overboard with that. But you need to have, if you are in a luxury area, you have to spend. And beyond the area, I'd say, who are you serving? You know, are you serving a family? You're serving a luxury environment, you know, luxury type of, you know, short-term rental. Know your mark, not just your market, but know your customer. Yeah. Excellent points.

Self care. Big save. I mean, I meant spend. Just keeping you on your toes. We're almost at the end here. Big spend. Spend. Yeah. Spend on self-care that matters, that matters to you. Yeah.

One of the things when I started our podcast, obviously the core of it is real estate investing. But for women in the community, right, we're becoming financially free. We're doing this for our families. We're doing everything and who does not get taken care of ourselves? So one of the pillars of our community and for our

podcast is we actually have women on our podcast, where we interview them about different ideas around self-care. And self-care is not just our nails, it is, and it's other things. So what does self-care look like to you? And is everyone really clear, in this room men and women, what does self-care look like to you? And how often do you do it? And do you put it on your calendar.

That's really important. And if you don't know what self-care looks like to you, make sure you do. Because as you grow, you're going to need it even more. Here we go. Advice. Depends. Depends.

Depends. It depends. Who's coming from? Go. It's been. Save on advice from people who don't know what they're talking about. Yeah. And spend.

The worst thing you could do, right, is ask someone who's never bought a rental property how to buy a rental property. But we do it all the time, right? That's why this community is so powerful. And the people that you just met is so powerful because those are the people you want to start asking. What are you doing? How are you doing it versus Aunt Sally

who's never bought a property? I was going to mention Ann Sally. Ann Sally. It's a right use when I don't know who I'm talking about. But every time that we get asked this question, should I have a mentor or not? I spent $30,000 on my first mentorship. Liz did not spend $30,000, but she paid $30,000 in a house that they put a roof and had to tear it down.

You need to tell them that? Thank you so much. Is this getting recorded? Matt, you still love me? Where is he? Just wrote him in the bus. But it really depends, right? And I believe that we need several mentors.

One mentor will not take you from A to Z. A, to B. And then another one, B to D. And then you go along, but you choose. You pay for your mistakes, so you pay for your mentorship. Your choice. Yeah, and we just actually recorded a episode on should I get a mentor, 307. And it's a minisodes.

Quick little advice. Gifts for tenants. I think this is a very interesting one because I think a lot of landlords skip the gifts for tenants. I don't go with one's been. When you appreciate your tenant, your tenant is going to appreciate you so much more than the amount that you spent on them because their last 17 landlords didn't give a frog's fat butt about

them and never gave them anything. Never gave them a thing. So that $10 gift card to Starbucks or $25 to Target that costs you basically nothing, they are going to remember you forever. Yeah, absolutely. And try to do it when not everyone else

is thinking they're going to get something like, don't give them a Thanksgiving gift because everyone else gets a Thanksgiving gift. Do it when they welcome. We used to do welcome. baskets. And we used to give every single tent a welcome basket. And it's just really like a sweet touch. Now as you scale and you grow, that's when it gets a little complicated. And you have to think about how you save your time and money. But it's important. They remember that.

I'm going to let our audience members that we gave notes to, if you have one of these, hold it up, spend or save on a real estate agent. Yeah. I can't see. What are you guys? What is it? Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Why are we spending on real estate agents? I'm definitely going to spend on the budget. And Dressa? No doubt about it. I have my license, but I hire agents that are specialized in the areas that I'm going to.

Liz and I usually have interviews with three agents at the same time, and we are looking for the person that is an expert in that area that can see the vision. I'm not in it. I don't want to save there. I want that agent to remember me when they get the next year on their day about. I'm a real estate agent in Colorado, but I only know my town. I am not an expert in all of it. So when I buy in another part of my state, I'm hiring somebody else to represent me.

I could represent myself. But I don't know the area. I don't know the market. And I don't know how to interact with the agents in that area. some of the people in Colorado and some of those resort areas don't take too kindly to outside agents making offers in their market

which is fine I'm not an expert in that market I want somebody who is I want somebody to represent me it's a small price to pay to get a really great deal yeah and I would add to it on just as saying one of the things that we did one of the three agents we were interviewing

they actually all knew the market really well they knew the area very well but what actually differentiated one of the agents was that she really knew new construction better than the other two people. And that really makes a difference. So not only market, but make sure that they have an expertise

in that asset class and size of asset class. So if they do multifamily and they've never touched a larger multifamily, not could be a good fit. And back case, she saw the vision and we were selling three new construction properties. Each property, she quoted 100 grand more than the other person.

And she got it. She got it. We pre-sold all those three. So you need to tell them what did they see. Don't tell them what you want from the houses. Tell them, what do you think I'm going to get it? That's exactly what we did with them. So she saw the vision, and she got it.

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in the entire world by the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Fortune, all of them, every, everyone. All of the magazines. Yes, everyone. And that's On the Market. So please welcome, and please welcome Kathy Fecky, Jamil Damgey, and James Dainard up to the stage.

Hey, hey, hey, before we get started. All right, so for this segment of On the Market, if you listen to our show, we do a lot of debate, we do a lot of panel, roundtable discussion, And what we're going to do today is a Shark Tank style show. So we have two audience members who are going to come up and pitch us two deals. We're going to ask them a lot of questions, and we are going to decide whether we would invest in any of those deals. So can we have our audience members please come up?

Yeah. Give it up for these guys. Don and Janelle. You guys nervous? Don't be nervous. It's just your career is on the line here. That's all. I'm just playing. All right, what do you got?

All right. So my deal is off market, actually. Got it from another wholesaler. It is in North Hills, California. So close to you. It is a three-bedroom, two bath, about 1,300 square feet, almost 1,400. I think it's a full gut, so it's going to be about 100K in rehab with your numbers and your calculations with that. Purchase prices, 615, and ARV is 885.

615 and 885. All right. May I ask, the 885. Sure. When was that comp sold? The closest comp sold and remodeled and all that was actually in August. But it sold for, I believe it was 950, listed for 900. So I took a little bit of a, a little bit more conservative on that.

So you baked into correction. I did. Here. What kind of upgrades were in the comparable? It was completely remodeled. So everything, kitchen, bath, floor, paint. Same year built, 1956, so basically the same house. And what radius was it in?

Was it? Yeah, it was within a half mile. So it's literally like three blocks away from this house. Okay, and is it the single comparable or do you have multiple comparables? I have multiple, mm-hmm. Closed. Pending's on the market right now, there aren't many. And especially in this little neighborhood, there just isn't a lot that's been sold there.

A lot of people live there for a really long time. So, and a lot of the homes that do sell are an original condition. So not a lot of newly remodeled homes. You said 880 was the ARV that you had? 885. 885. Yeah. 885 is ARV, and you're buying it for?

615. 615. So I did some back of the napkin math. Okay. And it looks like you're going to have roughly $60,000 in closing costs. You've got, and that's if you're saying. sell at top dollar. You got $100,000 in remodel. I am the agent, or I would be the agent on the deal. On the sale? Yeah, on the sale. Okay. So three and a half percent is what I was

estimating for commissions. How much? Three and a half. That's, I would actually go to four, given today's markets, if you can, if you can incentivize your buyer's agent with an extra point, there's a higher likelihood they're going to show your house. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't save there, but I see that you've got somewhere around the lines of about $100,000 in potential profit if you were to do this deal. Let me ask, what happens if you have to hold this thing for six months? Because I haven't even touched holding costs yet. Right, so I was budgeting an eight-month hold because days on market are about 38 right now. So I'm expecting about a four-month rehab process and then to put it on the market for another month and a half.

I did budget about a 45 day on market and then go into escrow, 30-day close, so I'm budgeting around an eight-month whole-time. How many homes are on the market? Right now? 17. 17. Mm-hmm.

Okay. And most of them are not remodeled. How many are renovated? I would say about like five, but they're very, very overpriced as well. Most of them are around a million. Around a million. And how long have they been on the market?

30 plus. So you're saying your ARV estimate is conservative? Very good. It could be much higher. Yeah. There is a two-car garage in the back, detached, so you can put an ADU back there as well. The comp that sold with an ADU, I believe, is 965, and that was about two months ago as well. So I think if you put an ADU back there, you can sell it for $9.50.

What would the house rent for? The main property would rent for about 5,500, and if you were to do like a one bed, one bath in the back, it would rent for two. So seven total. 75. Seven with an ADU. What do you estimate the holding cost to be? I just talked to a low-haul capital, actually. And our hard money cost would be about 9.5% with 1.5 points. So on our calculations, our MAO was about 6, I think it was 620. So we were right in there.

So what do you guys think? Yeah, we'll just give us a moment to confer here. Okay, sure, sure. And we're a husband and wife team, so that's why we're doing this together. And we're back. Good. What do you got? So we had a chance to butt heads here, and there's a few things that are hanging off, you know,

coming out at us right off the hop. Okay. Cash on cash here seems low. And I understand that for California, that's just what it is, right? It's a thing. It's a thing for these markets, and especially given the circumstances that we're looking at right now with interest rates where they are, I would be really nervous that you don't have enough of a spread here for this to be something that you will come out doing very, it's like for the risk that you're going to be taking on this property, my gut would say I would wholesale

this all day. I would try to make a $10,000 or a $15,000 fee. I'd leave enough meat on the bone for an investor to come in and, you know, go vertical on the deal. But as an investor for myself, if I was going to be putting up the capital to do this deal, I would have to actually pass. Okay. What was your spread? Because mine was 85. It's exactly what I had. This is exactly what we had here. About 85,000. And I'm not saying that $85,000 isn't a bad spread, but you can get, you can make $85,000 on, you know, a lot less money out, right? You can, you can probably flip two houses where Henry is and make that and be, probably five. Probably five. We should talk about it. Here's, here's the thing about it, right,

is that he's talking about, or he would have, he would be in deals that are at the median price point, right? Much easier for people to get in. to, for what we're talking about as an investment here, I think that the strategy I would use would be wholesale all day. I agree. I agree with Jamil. If you could turn this over quickly and make a small profit and move on to the next one, I think that's a great strategy. For me, personally, as an investor, 85K in a profit, maybe even a little more, I don't know that that's worth the time and the risk for me to take on such a large project. So for me, it's time value of money. I don't mind. I want a good profit, but I know I can get the same profit with a lot

less work if I continue to work my deal flow. So for that reason. Oh, wow. Wow. All right. So we should, we have one more deal right? Yeah, we have limited time. Janelle, you did fantastic. Guys, give it up for Janelle. She knew her numbers inside out, forwards and backwards, I've never seen the whole show. This is how you present a deal. This is how you present a deal, guys. Take notes. Take notes on that.

Yeah. Well done. It could work out as a burr, though. It could maybe. I'm just saying. All right, Don. The rental markets are. All right.

There we go. This is not going to go as well as that. No, I have a three-bed, two-bath in Oakview, California, very close to Ohio, Ventura. This one is actually on the market. listed in the high fives. I can get it confirmed at 500. ARV is going to be about 760 on this one. Comp closed in July. That one, I think, went 5K lower, actually, than the list price at 760. So I would use that, and then it needs about 90 to 100 in rehab as well.

but it's an eclectic area I wouldn't have to do it's a lot of like the roofs messed up electrical plumbing it's a lot of capex items but it does have an existing structure in the back that can be turned into an ADU so if someone wants to do that I wouldn't because then I would be holding it for like a year

Is that structure permitted? Yeah but you can't just leave that ADU as is because that would look I would maybe just clean it up and say hey because it's an existing structure, big enough lot size, so someone could buy it and then house hack it into...

And what did you estimate the total repairs at? 100. Got it. Just to be safe. Can you define eclectic area? Yes. It is... How do you say out in the sticks nicely?

Rural. Rural. Thank you. No, it's rural. It's a very specific... Not specific buyer, but people love that area. to get away from the city. Is there a lot larger?

Is there more space than just a normal house lot? Is it an acre, half acre? Not like that. Or is it in a subdivision? It's in a subdivision, about 6,500 square feet. Great location in town, though. And a lot of people want to live in this neighborhood. For somebody to renovate this house,

they have to know the area or else they're going to renovate it the wrong way. People don't want, like, a full, beautiful renovation like you would see in the city. they're going to want to keep that cabiny rustic feel to it. How many months do you expect to hold this? Because if it's being out in the sticks, as you say, it's going to take a minute to sell. Six months.

And the days on market there, though, the average is about 31. Oh. So it's quick. Not a lot of stuff goes on sale there, but there is renovated comps. The 755 was renovated. People who buy there stay there. They don't really sell.

So if there's a house that comes on the market, people are going to want it. Do you know what it would rent for? Did you say? We looked at 4,500. And that's not including, that's not including the second unit? Not including the second unit. You could rent that one out for probably 1,800.

And do you know the rental demand out there? Because in both areas, I'm familiar with both areas, and there's not a lot of rentals. There's a lot of demand for it. Yeah, I think 50% of the population there rents. I mean, in both cases, if you can put that second unit on, that could work for a burr, I would think. All right, team huddle.

How many days on market has it been listed for? It's your what? Happy anniversary! Okay, we'll buy the deal. How long has the housemen on the market? Seven days. Okay, I got it. I walked it on Friday. Do you know if it has any offers?

No. You don't know? No offers. It's price point, do I? Have you offered less? based on what they told you or did you make a better? That's what they said. That's today's price.

We told them $480 and they said the lowest they'd go is $500 and they would accept it that. Tomorrow's price is not today's price. Yep. No. Absolutely. So that was three days ago. Yep.

So I'm a goal on this. Really? Hard no on flip. There's no margin to be honest. I would hit them lower or wrap it up at $500 or beat them back. But if you put $100 in and put $90, the ADU and then you left $100,000 of the deal, you would actually cash flow about $2,300 a month, which is going to be roughly about 25%

25% cash on cash annually, roughly, or minus expenses, you're probably going to be more like around 12% to 13% cash on cash. Quick question, can you condo off the Dadu? In Seattle, we can condo them off and sell them separate? No, but we could add a junior ADU as well, so a little studio plus the one bed and then the three, too. Oh, see? Yeah, so that would pencil out.

And that's because your payment with a loan balance of $6.50 at 8%, which you can still cash flow with 8% rates, is $4,800 plus property taxes, everything else. You're probably going to be around $5,800. And then we're calculating that you're going to bring in $6,000,000, the daddy of about $2,500. Is that right? Yeah. So, well, if you get it from $4.50, I'll buy it right now. Okay. All right.

Guys, this is the strategy, okay? They've been on the market seven days, which means that they have no flipping idea what's happening. Right. The fact that these guys are willing to take 500, that means they have motivation right now. What was the list price? 585.

They have motivation. They understand that they're walking into a turning market. You have a guaranteed buyer at $450 right now. Give it 30 days. Go lock that thing up for $430,000 and sell it to this man for $450. Boom. I'll sell it to you for 445 for a ride on your yacht. What was the five grand kicker?

I'll sell it to you for 445 and a ride on your yacht. Five-k discount. Done. Wow. Guys, give it up for Don and Janelle. Didn't they do a great job? That was amazing. Incredible. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. All right. Well, thank you all for being up here. James, you've proven that you can find cash flow in California. So thank you for that. Give it up for the on-the-market. cast please. Real.

Three plug. Good plug. Good hug. Love you guys. All right. And if you write a review, please don't mention James. His ego's already big enough.

All right. For our last podcast, the one you have all been waiting for the Bigger Pockets Real Estate Show. So please welcome David Green, Brandon Turner, and Rob Abasolo, up to the stage. All right, what's going on, everybody?

Everybody, thanks for coming. So today we're going to be talking about real estate investing, and this hurts a lot. I can only keep that up for a couple more seconds. Oh, what's going on? What am I sitting on? Oh, yeah, cue cards. All right. Thank you for coming to the podcast.

Before we get started, what's it like seeing Brandon in shoes? Oh, look at these. That's right. True story. Somebody asked me their day, they said, why are you wearing shoes? I've never seen you in shoes, right? Yeah, right there.

I only ever wear sandals. And I made up some lie about like, oh, you know, like they don't look good with jeans or something. And then I was like, let's be honest. Pace Morby wears nice white shoes, and I wanted to look as good as Pace Morby, right? So that's why I'm wearing shoes is to compete with looks on Pace Morby. So, true story. Okay, I got another thing before we get started. I just want to stand up really fast.

and I just, I'm kind of curious to know, like, what people thought of our heights? Like, what do people think? Because when I met Brandon, he was really tall. When I met David, he was also very tall. Look at this. David always talks about how Brandon was, and then I met David. I was like, bro, you're like 6'3. He is a big tall guy.

But nobody knows David's tall, right? Because we always talk about me being tall. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, how many of you have no idea before this week who I was? You can be honest. Okay, a few people. That's good. So for those, for that person, I was on the podcast for nine years and then there was a hostile takeover and Rob poisoned my cereal and took me out.

No, I left back in December to be with my family to travel for the year and that's what I've been doing. I went to all around the country, went to Europe, went to Idaho, bought a property there. That's awesome. And yeah, it's been a really relaxing kind of sabbatical year where I've, you know, bought $350 million with the real estate. So it was a good year. But like, you don't want to come back though, right? Yeah, you know, if you pay me enough, maybe I'll come back on an episode or two. So before we get jumped into this, though, I've been traveling, like I said, an awful lot.

And so I have not had a chance to listen to most of the episodes of the podcast since you guys have been on. So I wanted to see kind of what's been going on in the show. So I heard we have a clip that we can play of, I guess, just a good summary of what's been going on on the podcast. So can we cue that? Can we play the video? Oh, boy. Cut, Pat. How you say, how you say, how you say, how you say, how you say, how you say, Timothy.

Timothy. Timothy. Timothy. Street, Timothy Way or Timothy Road. Yes. Or Timothy Alon. You didn't respond back. You always ask me questions, and then I respond to the question.

You never say, hey, thanks, pal. That was amazing insight. I wait till we're on a podcast with 300,000 downloads, and then I tell you how great you are. This is how we're introing Bigger Pockets today. Rob, did you already record the other intro that Eric was saying he needed, so I'm good on this one? Yeah.

Okay, here we go. This is the Bigger Pockets podcast show. Do it with me, Rob. Okay. 660. Oh, three. Four. Oh, you said four last time.

Do the hair thing. Okay, got it, got it, got it. Carry on. We'll do it again, right? Get the hands with me. This is a peek behind the curtains for everyone listening at home, by the way. All right, take two. And this is the Bigger Pockus Podcast show 663.

Thank you very much. Now, if you have been, sorry, I did her take that for that. And for those, no, this is my, I brought my camera, I brought my mic, this was my old YouTube. Oh, fuck. I just realized. I didn't fluff those pillows. Control is a tricky thing. Like you can't control your cough right now.

That's exactly right. Orrin the Wiz Kid, the WizKlaff. Clough. I should learn his name. Orrin the Wiz. Shoot. Orrin the Wiz kid. No, I got this.

Editor. Oran the Wiz Kid. And that is today's quick, quit, quit. Shoot. Hold on. I already messed it up. Let's try it again. And that is it.

is today's retroactive, quit, quit, quit. Usually I like chop the pillows and I'm like, ah, we're good to go. I'm going to do that real fast for the intro. Oh, I wish we could include this. This is so funny. That was so authentic.

All right, okay. You know, one must fluff the pillows. Thank you. Thank you. We're running it through the focus groups a little later today, so we'll see if we're going to keep it. I did not consent. that. You got to chop your pillows. It's just short-term rental secrets right there. All right.

You got to chop the pillow. You got to chop the pillow. What's that? A throw pillow is like 30 bucks. You got to chop it. Here's the question. What the hell did you do to my podcast? We're still workshopping it. Okay. You're figuring out. All right. Well, we don't have a ton of time. I know you guys are excited for dinner and hanging out outside and doing all the fun stuff. But we got some questions submitted from y'all about the point. podcast about the background, how the podcast runs about your idiosyncrasies and David's jujitsu. So we're going to go through a few of these right now. Let's see. Oh, this is a good one. We're going to give you guys a little behind the scenes of how we choose guests. Who decides of you

two? Who brings on more guests? Who decides what guest is coming on? Or is it neither of you have any say at all? I don't know. Is it? If it's like if I have, what? If I have like a friend who's like killing it in real estate, we can submit them, but ultimately our producer, Eric Kinexen back in the back there, he decides. He is the gatekeeper for all of bigger pockets.

But usually if they have a cool story, we get them through. So next question is, of the last few guests you've had on, who do you hate them? I'm just kidding. know. You guys want to hear a crazy story? I don't think I've ever told this publicly. Should I tell the story about Josh? Do you please do? About what me and Josh did accidentally? I don't even know. Okay. All right. Don't repeat this. Are we all swear secrecy? All right. There was in time, this is years ago. Eric's going to kill me for telling the story. Years ago before Eric was even here where we recorded an episode and it was like it was not great. I don't think we ended up using it.

almost every episode, but we didn't use this one. It was really bad. At the end of the interview, we go, oh, that was terrible. And Josh goes, oh, that was so bad. That was really terrible, awful. And I was like, well, I mean, we could, we could probably use it. And he's like, no, it was terrible, really bad. I was like, all right, we'll cut it, we'll cut it. And then the editor accidentally took that clip and put that on the beginning in the intro of the next episode that we aired. I don't know how it happened. So I wake up to about 400 text messages saying take down that interview, take it down. Because it sounded like we were telling everybody that the guest that was coming on was just absolutely horrible.

So anyway, lesson learned, always hit and record before you trash talk your guest. There we go. Have you guys ever had anything similar happen? Ever walking to a bathroom with a hot mic? Anything fun like that? No, I did. This is very embarrassing, by the way. But, like, I don't remember.

It was somebody. We were interviewing someone about two months ago, and I feel like they're in the middle of a really deep, profound moment. And I did drink a lot of seltzer water before, some Topo Chico. Dangerous. Dangerous. I did a good job. And honestly, most of the time, like, I could probably text David and be like,

hey, I got to use the restroom, but cover me. And I didn't think to do that. And I was like, I am so sorry. I'm so sorry. please hold that very deep profound thought, I have to pee. And then David and Eric were like, why did you text us that? You didn't have to interrupt their story. So that's only happened one time, though.

All right. There's a story that Brandon and I have that's even better than that one, which I'm sure Brandon's going to love that I'm telling you guys. Uh-oh. If you want to go listen to the Jim Quick interview that we did in Hawaii. Do you know Jim Quick? Anybody know Jim Quick? All right, author, New York Times bestselling author.

of like a million, 100 million books sold. What's his topic he teaches on Brandon? It's like brain stuff, right? How to remember things. Yeah. How to remember things. How to remember things? So it really didn't work.

So this was okay. This was God spanking me. I said to Jim, we're really good at systems at bigger pockets. All right? I'm like, we're really good. We have systems inside systems for the podcast. We're really good. He's like, yeah, you guys are great.

I'm like, yeah, no. Like, my biggest fear is that I forget to hit the record button. So we have backups. The words I used were we have backups of backups of backups of backups. Then we recorded it for an hour. And then I realized I didn't turn on the backup or the backup or the backup. So we had to stop after an hour. No, before we stopped.

Brandon, we're in the C-Shed in Maui, okay? We've already been like, yeah, Jim, we got this thing together. Like, we don't even start recording until there's a... I was so arrogant. I was so arrogant. Which was perfect, because this is the memory guy. This is the memory guy. And Brandon's face completely changes in the middle of recording.

And I'm like, okay, something's wrong. He got a text that, like, one of his kids heard or something, right? He points at the screen at what should be a timer counting down. And it is goose eggs, right? And then I realize it, too. And so Jim's in the middle of a profound thought. And he and I are like, do we tell him? Do we just pretend like we've recorded it and never air it?

Because we don't want to tell Jim Quick that we forgot. We legit have that conversation over like writing down pieces of paper. Yes. You should have just like turned off your computer without saying. Be like, oh my God, my computer broke. Yeah, I died. That's a good idea. It didn't save any of it.

Weird. This happened to me a year ago. I was on a podcast. I think I was like, here's the invite. I was like, great. I show up. And then he was like, all right, man, if you could send me the recording. And I was like, this is your podcast.

podcast. Oh, geez. Yes, he wanted me to record it for him. So we had to do it again. Yeah. It's true. So long story short, we had to tell Jim Quick, we actually forgot to hit the button after swearing that we had backups to backups.

And he wasn't, I mean, he was professional and gracious in the sense he kept recording, but you could tell he was like, you buffoons. What kind of operation? I was told this was a big podcast. And it was pretty embarrassing. I would say. Yeah, that was a terrible day. Anyway. So, Rob and I haven't done that. Not yet. Okay. Not yet. Good.

I hope. I would love this story next year. All right. Next question. Dave Van Horn asks, is there a dream guest that each of you have that you have not yet been able to get on the podcast? First off, I love Dave Van Horn. Any Dave Van Horn's in here, fans? Dave Van Hornin. Dave Van Hornigans, as they're called.

Yeah, Dave's awesome. I made that up. That's why Brandon That's really good. That's good. I've always wanted to interview Vanilla Ice. I know he flips houses. It's pretty good. I'd be into that. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.

But we did pitch an idea a couple of weeks ago of getting Elon Musk on the podcast to basically ask him how real estate would work on Mars and who would like own it and how investing would work. so maybe if everybody today tweets Elon Musk, maybe he'll see it. He's been doing podcast lately. Yeah? Yeah, I've seen him on like four. Do you know a guy? Are you six degrees of separation from Elon Musk? Ooh, I do know a guy.

Really? I'm one degree separation from Elon Musk. No, you're not. I don't know. I'll talk to you after this. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Did we go snorkeling with this guy?

Your guy? We didn't. Did we go snorkeling with him? Is this guy? Are you a drug dealer the way here? No, no. No. Hey, this guy.

I'm not going to call out. I can't say. All right. All right. Next question. Ooh, let's see. Oh, these are very tactical questions, but I like this. When you say, welcome to the Bigger Pockets Podcast show, whatever number, do you record that part

before every episode, after every episode, or do you batch them and just do a whole bunch back to back? We have it batched up to episode one million. It took David weeks. You see my beard slowly growing out with every single one. That's actually, the way we do that is an homage to Josh Dorkin, who was the original one who started the podcast, and he started with that style.

So Brandon took it over, and now I'm kind of carrying the baton doing the same thing. But we do those after we get done recording the episode. And if you let Rob do it, it takes about seven takes. If you let me do it. It must be perfect. All right. how do you prep for a podcast? How do we prep?

Okay, if you ask our producers, we get an email a week before with a bunch of questions for us to ponder, think through, respond back to. Have a journey, maybe do a walkabout. They crush it. They do really, really, really good. Yeah. If you ask one of us, we read the email before we're going to record. We ask the questions that we would have before we bring in the guest. We let our producer pretend like he's not really pissed that he did all that work and we didn't look at hardly any of it.

And then we let our professionalism take over on the interview. Yeah, usually we get, I log on to the Zoom and then I'm like, so what are we talking about today? And then they're like, multi-family are flipping. I'm like, all, cool, let's do that. And then Eric's like, I sent seven emails, man. Sometimes I think, though, some of the best interviews we ever did were, yeah, were fairly off the cuff. and topics that we weren't thinking about going towards. I feel like there's a certain genuineness and curiosity

that makes the Bigger Pockets podcast good, because we legit want to know these things. We're not interviewing them because we like interviewing people. We legit interview them because we really want to know the answer to their question, which I think has been helpful. So the question half of you guys is looking back on the last, you know, whatever, 500 and 600, 700, 800 shows, is there a guest or an interview that we did that really stands out in your mind?

Obviously, you've had fewer of them. But is there an interview in the last few years or a story maybe somebody told that stands out as like, yeah, that was a great conversation? I remember Brandon was so excited to interview Matthew McConaughey. Oh, I didn't sleep for a week before that. I'm so jealous of that. He just did not stop talking about it every time I saw him at all. It was like Santa's coming to a five-year-old. That, I mean, it was so important to him that it stands out as the most influential one we ever did.

I don't think I said anything. It was good, right? Did you ask them anything about interstellar? Nothing. This opportunity. I want him back. I want him back on the show. All right.

It's Rob's favorite movie for everyone hearing. It's incredibly slow and takes four hours to develop. Nope. It's two and a half. It's two and a half and it's perfect cinematography. It's very good. Watch it. Let's watch it tonight.

All right, we got to wrap this thing up. Last question. David. Do you have a favorite Brazilian jiu-jitsu? move and would you demonstrate it on Rob. On me. Oh, on me. Oh, God.

Right here. All right. Don't hurt me. Let's see it. Whatever you got to do. What is the move? This is not planned, by the way. It sounds like it's... They had no idea this was coming. But I am a good sport and I have to do it. All right, he's going on his back. Here he goes.

All right, this is getting uncomfortable. I will attempt to, but it's been a little, it's been a few months. All right, so David is going to mount. David is going to mount Rob. He is now going to do the Americana. All right, so what he's doing is he's got an arm, and he's going to just rip out his shoulder from his shoulder blade and permanently damage. Tap the ground.

There, tap. And Rob is not going to tap because he's got an ego. And David's lifting the arm up as it tears out his shoulder blade. All right, round of applause for these two. And with that, we are just about out of here, but I'd like to bring up our fearless leaders. Come back up, guys. One quick thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Just one fast thing. Listen, if you guys are looking to be mentored by David and I, we have a bit of an opportunity. If you DM bigger pockets on Instagram, we'll be sent to an application. and whether you're starting out in your investment journey or you've got 10 doors or you've got 50 and you're trying to go next level, we're going to help you do it. You got to DM what?

Instagram, BiggerPockets. Not BiggerPockets, 0-001. It's not any of the robots. Just at Bigger Pockets. At bigger pockets. DM them what? The word mentor. Mentor. And we'll send you an application

and then we will help you get to that next level. And if you want to be mentored by Brandon, just write a check for a million dollars to me personally, So if you've ever wanted to be mentored by us, rather than sending that email that says, will you be my mentor, which somebody had a hilarious shirt on. They actually made a shirt that said, will you be my mentor? Because that's like the one question we always get, right? This is your shot to actually do it.

So we want to bring you on. We want to ask you what your goals are. We want to give you homework to go do. And then we want to re-interview you throughout the year so that everyone can follow the progress that you're making. So if you don't want to just talk about it, you want to be about it. Make sure you send that mentor. All right. That's it.

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