BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast - The “Escape Corporate” Rental Property Plan I Followed to “Retire” in My 30s

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

15 years ago, Matt McCurdy had everything—a good corporate job, a great degree, and a path to a comfortable retirement…in 30 years. The problem? Matt didn’t want to wait 30 years to live the life he envisioned, and spending three more decades on the “corporate treadmill” was looking increasingly bleak as the days passed. But within just five years, Matt escaped the cubicle life, replaced his income with rental properties, and then scaled up to 50+ rentals and financial freedom decades before traditional retirement age. How’d he get there so fast? The rental property “plan” Matt devised is something most investors ignore. This detailed strategy for acquiring rental properties helped him scale to millionaire wealth even without any prior experience. Matt’s secret to supercharged growth? Buying rental “packages” that are often underpriced and ignored by most of the small landlords in your area.  Matt’s sharing all his secrets today—how he scaled to 50+ units, how he bought 20 (yes, 20) rental properties with just $35K down, and the dangerous sewer line problem that you don’t have to learn the hard way. In This Episode We Cover The rental property “plan” every investor needs to design before they start or scale up How to buy 10+ rental properties at once by investing in rental “packages” Quitting corporate in under 10 years? How Matt did it in just five years of real estate investing  The one big mistake Matt made on his first rental property (you can avoid it) An affordable housing investment that Matt is doubling down on as the middle class shrinks  And So Much More! Check out more resources from this show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BiggerPockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠h⁠ttps://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-1255 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

15 years ago, Matt McCurdy had everything most people want, a fresh MBA, a stable corporate job, and a clear path to retirement in 30 years. There was just one problem. He didn't want to wait 30 years. So he sat down, wrote a business plan for real estate investing, and bought his first rental property. Then he bought a few more. When his stable job became not so stable, and he had to leave his W-2 job a few years later, he didn't panic. He already had a backup plan generating income for him. So he decided to go all in on real estate and continue to build an impressive rental property portfolio. Today, Matt owns more than 50 properties and has achieved financial freedom decades earlier than he would have if he had stayed in that cubicle. Matt took his financial future into his own hands instead of relying on

a corporation and you can do the same thing. Keep watching to find out how. Hey everyone, I'm Dave Meyer, Chief Investment Officer at Bigger Pockets. Today's show is an investor story with Matt McCurdy from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Matt's going to share his story of how he escaped the corporate treadmill by buying great cash-howing properties in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. In this show, we'll talk about why he waited almost 18 months to buy his first property, how he navigated a crossroads of whether to stay small or keep scaling, and how he bought 20 homes in a single deal with only $30,000 in cash, that actually happened.

It's a great story, and there are a lot of lessons that all of you can apply to your own investing careers. So let's bring on Matt. Matt, welcome to the Bigger Pockets podcast. Thanks so much for being here. Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited for our conversation, learn a little bit about your real estate investing journey. Let's start from the beginning. Tell us a little bit about where you were in life when you,

decided you wanted to get into real estate investing. And what brought that on? Well, I was in the typical role that a lot of people are in, in corporate America, grinding away in a desk job, didn't really see a way out of that. I saw a corporate ladder that I was trying to climb, but didn't see it, you know, happening as fast as I wanted it to. So read the book that everyone typically, just read Robert Kiyosaki's book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, You know, and then it kind of took off from there. That is a common angle, people, you know, reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad. How old were you at the time when you were thinking about this? I think it was 27 when I read that book. And what was your career like? You know, you said it was a desk job where you're making decent money, just not fulfilling?

Yeah, decent job. Call myself Middle Class. Did a four-year degree from the University of Iowa and move through two different corporate positions in the supplier management role. So got to manage a lot of suppliers through project schedules, budgets, and from there, just didn't see a way to transition to executive level to make the money I wanted to without going through the mundane manager roles that just grind people out. So where'd you go from there, Matt? Well, I started with a simple business plan. Speaking of my educational experience, they harped on creating a business plan. And I also saw that through my corporate America experience. So I said, well, if it's working for Fortune 500 companies, it probably would work for me. So that's what I first started with was a simple business plan. I knew I was going to be wrong from the get-go. It took me a year and a half to actually buy my first rental property. But after, After that, it was plug and play and rinse and repeat and try to go as fast as I could.

I love that. So tell me a little bit why you wrote a business plan. It's not something we hear a lot about in real estate investing. What was in it? And what was the point? If you knew you wanted to do a real estate, like why go through the exercise? It helped me clear up everything that was in my brain and what I was hearing, what I was reading, what I was learning to put it on to paper. Yeah. And once you put that on to paper, there's something that happens between your brain, your nervous system, everything, where you are actually committing to this. And you're really thinking through it. You can you can have ideas all day long, but it's one thing to be very strategic with what you're trying to do in your business. And now you're trying to articulate

it on the computer or writing it down on paper. Nowadays, it's through AI. Yeah. Yeah. There's, why not? It's, it's very simple now. So there's really no reason not to do it. It's a differentiator, right? Like, so few people do it. Whatever format you want to put that in, that doesn't really matter. I think it's the exercise of like thinking through all the variables and what you're good at. I love that. I think it's really good advice that people should be following. So once you did that, Matt, what was your first deal? How did you go about actually getting in the game? Yeah, so the first one was a prototypical single family house that was three bedrooms, one and a half bath house in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, not too far from a local elementary in high school, just location wise. It made a ton of sense. I wanted to position myself to rent to as many people as I possibly could. I mean, I think especially for your first deal, just trying to get that mass appeal kind of rental where you're not going to have a lot of vacancy.

is, you know, you're going to find a high quality tenant. It just makes a lot of sense. What was it like, though? Like, how much you buy it for? How do you finance that? Yeah, I bought it for $92,000, which sounds ridiculous nowadays. It does. It does. Which still, this kind of shows you where Iowa is at in Cedar Rapids in particular. We're right around probably 225 to 250 for that house nowadays. I was always looking to force appreciation. and really through that was just buying a house that needed some work. So this house needed about $15,000 worth of work. Some of it was sweat equity.

My fiance and I did at the time. But that was a three-bed, one and a half bath that we made a four-bed, two-bath. Okay. So you were doing real value out. This wasn't just like cosmetic. You like was doing some structural stuff. And you did all the work yourself? No.

So I would say half and half. I had a contractor. My actual father-in-law helped me on some stuff too. Nice. Because my wife and I or my fiance at the time, both of us had W-2 jobs. So we were very busy, but we were burning, you know, the candle at both ends, going over there after work, working on weekends, just doing anything and everything, kind of clawing to scratch and claw to get that put together. How long did that take? Well, we closed December 13th and we had a tenant in there January 1st.

Oh, okay. Yeah, we were messing around. Yeah, we're celebrating the holidays that year. No. We did. We bought this house in December 13th of 2013. We got married January 11th of 2014. So roughly a month later, we went from renovating this house to getting married.

I can remember many, many nights, you know, it would be midnight, 1 o'clock, and we were just going after. but we're young and stupid, you know? Yeah, I mean, it helps sometimes to be young and stupid, at least in my case. Yeah. Well, good for you. I mean, that's kind of the hustle that it takes, man. This is a lot of times when you're just getting started. You just got to do what it takes.

You know, it's going to be different for everyone. But recruiting your father-in-law, doing the work yourself, figuring out a way to get it funded, that's usually what a first deal looks like. I know a lot of people want to raise private capital or do something advanced right to start. but I think the hustle approach is not only the most common way, but often the best way you learn a lot, you learn what you like, what you don't like,

what to avoid in the future, and whether or not, honestly, if you're going to like this business, but I assume since we're talking here today, Matt, that you liked it, even though it sounds like a stressful couple of weeks

and a very big push to get this thing open, it seems like it worked out well for you. I had my idea, and I went with it. I'm too stubborn to stop. we had I learned speaking of learning some things I did not scope the sewer line and that's how unfortunately had Orangeburg sewer lines which people don't know what Orangeburg was it was this magnificent revolutionary product back in the 60s that they put in a lot of houses for sewer lines

and it was wrapped with some kind of cardboard paper type exterior which you know go figure in the ground, it's eventually going to rot and fall apart. Yeah. So on our honeymoon, I was getting phone calls and I was actually dealing with a collapsed sewer line and tenants that were fortunately patient with me and we're able to, we're able to get some people to help while I was out of state. Yeah, these are the things you learn, right? Now, I'm sure you get a sewer scope on every deal you do.

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Steadily, landlord insurance designed for the modern investor. Welcome back to the Bigger Pockets podcast. I'm here with investor Matt McCurdy talking about his first deal, how he hustled into a single family home in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Matt, after that first deal, you know, you had a couple hiccups, but sounds like overall it went well for you. What do you go on and do after that? Unfortunately, I didn't have a bankroll.

I didn't have the idea of syndications back then. So I really just used my W too. I did the old-fashioned way. Saved a lot more than I spent. We were living pretty broke just to try to save every dollar because every dollar and cent got me closer to my end goal, which was ultimately to leave corporate America. So the faster I did that, the quicker I could get to it.

So short-term sacrifice equals long-term gain. Oh, yeah. And that's the way I look now. it. So we, 2014, we just bought a couple properties, two single family houses. And then in 2015, we really scaled up a lot quicker with four duplexes and then, I want to say three additional single family houses. And you were doing that just still with your W2? So that is part of it. The other part is, unfortunately, my wife, her mom passed away in November of 20. 2013. So we had that on the front end, bought that first house, and then got married. So we had a,

like I said, a busy couple months. But we used some of that life insurance money to help pay for the down payment on those four duplexes. We still have those four duplexes. We still talk about how those are our Karen's duplexes. You know, it's just a great way to remember through that. But what we also did was find a different financing, basically a local credit union. And that loan officer was a lot more aggressive than what I was used to dealing with with the first few properties. Okay. And that's something I'll always advocate to do. I'm doing it right now. I'm actually trying to shop around different insurance companies, always trying to shop around, not necessarily rub it in the current people's face that you're doing it, just do it kind of behind

the scenes and see if there's other better options out there. And luckily, we're able to find a different loan officer that took a little bigger of a chance with it, did some bridge loan stuff with us and made it work so we could tackle those four. It was a bigger bite than I was used to taken buying four duplexes all at the same time, but they're all in the same block. Tons of synergies there. And then really, once you hit five or more, it starts snowballing, where it becomes, instead of hundreds of dollars, it becomes thousands of dollars. And now thousands of dollars just sounds better.

Yeah, it also buys more. Yeah, it does. It really does. And then every dollar that you're taken from that, especially if you have a W-2 job, like I did, I was just, it was just compounding so much faster for me. It really does, like between the equity you're building, the cash flow you're getting, you're saving more money. It really does have a exponential effect. People call everything exponential growth, but it actually can be exponential growth if you're reinvesting your profits in the way that you should.

So it sounds like you grew fast, Matt, but you were working at the same time. Your goal, though, was to quit your job. So did you have like a number? in minds. Like, if I can get to X cash flow a month, I can quit my job and I need Y number of properties to get that cash flow. It's like that what you were working towards. Yeah. And I was just trying to keep it simplistic. I ended up leaving corporate America in 2017 or corporate America left me is how that went. But, oh, you lost your job. Yeah. So they moved my job to corporate headquarters and I didn't really want to move there.

So it didn't really make sense for me to move, number one. And number two, I was planning on leaving in April of 2017, but they actually gave me severance until about April of 2017. Isn't it funny how some things work out like that? Yeah. It's like meant to be. It is. So what I was doing around that was like $500 a month per property.

Wow. Okay. So that's what I wanted. I think I had about 20, 20 properties at that point. Oh, so you're making like 10 grand a month in cash flow. Which, I mean, tax advantage cash flow, too. It's probably more like making 12, 12 grand or 13 grand in W2 income. Yeah.

And looking back on it, I was naive, like, oh, is this enough? Because, you know, as real estate investors, we know how much our P&I, principal and interest are, the insurance, the taxes. All those things weren't as crazy as they are now. No, it was much easier. They were more stable. Nowadays it's a little different. it, but the big variable was your maintenance and repairs. What's that going to cost?

What if like five furnaces go out this year? Oh, man. But it still felt weird because I went through the American educational system. We are not taught to become entrepreneurs. We're not taught to be out on our own. We're taught to get good paying jobs and then go retire and then die. Right. And that's, yeah.

It still felt raw and weird, but it's all right. It's also kind of addicting when you have the cash flow and the W-2 income. It takes a little pressure off the real estate side, at least speaking from experience. You have all this income that I think for most people covers your living expenses. And then everything else, you could just keep reinvesting and reinvesting. But I'm sure you have to change your strategy a little bit, right? Because now you're living off that cash flow and it's not just pure reinvestment into your portfolio. Absolutely.

At first, I said I was retired. And then I was like, wait a minute. My friends are making fun of me. Call me the retired guy. And I was like, no, I graduated from corporate America. There you go. I graduated. Because flash forward to 2018, I was never busier.

I couldn't believe how I went from fishing and golfing and trying to fill my time in 2017, see where I would go to just putting on the full. full throttle in 2018 and acquiring as much as I did. But it was a good reset because I didn't know where I was going to go. I wanted to make sure my numbers were right. I still couldn't believe, you know, that I wasn't going to get hammered with taxes. You know, I was just used to that mindset of the W2 where you get hammered with taxes. You're meant to kind of be average and work through kind of whatever they tell you to do, whatever HR tells you you can have for a raise, whatever they tell you you can have for a bonus, you accept and you move on. And now I've entered a new space where

it's up to me what I make. It truly is. And it's- Yeah, it's so liberating. It really is. It's very liberating, but also scary. Where are you going to come up with the money to grow at this point? Where are you going to come up with the money if some of these risks actually come to fruition? I think it's cool the idea of just taking a little bit of time off. It helps reinforce that you really want to do real estate because if you have enough money to go play golf and go fishing and then you're like, actually, I like doing this. I want to keep growing. Like, I enjoy this. And I think that's where it goes from exciting and motivating because there's this financial element to being like fun, you know, and fulfilling where it's like, you know, this is a business

and it's something that matters to me more than just the dollars and cents. So like in 2018, when you dove back in, where did you apply your time and your energy? It was. It was a It was the first time I acquired a package of single family houses. And that's a really good niche if you have the capital or you have the leverage to be able to do something like that. And this package was sitting on the MLS. Oh, wow. It was just sitting there under rented. And that's what turned a lot of people off.

They didn't understand what the market rent was for this portfolio to give you an idea. those were $114,000 houses times 10, so $1.14 million. And I was able to cross-collateralize some stuff. And I was a real estate agent, used my commission for some of the down payment, representing myself as a buyer. So I only brought, I think, maybe $100,000 to the 20% down. Oh, my God. That's amazing. So fast forward, roughly eight years.

some of those properties are pushing 200. Some of them are 250, $250,000. On average, double, basically. In 2018, some people were talking about, well, maybe we're overpriced at that point. But going back to my business plan, I would have shied away from that because I wasn't making $500 a month in cash flow before repairs and maintenance. I was only going to make about $350 to $400 there. But the way I just it is do I want to grow? Number one, the answer was yes. Number two is, okay, what have I been doing in the past to make that 500? And it was to renovate a lot of these houses. And there were only about one or two of them that truly needed renovated. The rest of them were just plug and play, and we were able to keep a lot of those tenants in place, even after major rental increases.

I mean, I think this is part of the tradeoff that you have to make, right? It's like you make more if you dive deep into one property, if you're going to do value at. But sometimes when you want to scale like Matt's talking about, you have to give up some of the immediate upside. It's not giving up the long term upside, but like you can't renovate 10 properties all at once, right? I would imagine in your position, you're buying 10 and you say, this is more of a turnkey

kind of thing. I might make a little bit less per unit on this. But I'm getting 10 all good deals at once, even if they're not all home runs. That's just part of the tradeoff as you scale is just figuring it out. You want to do one great deal at a time or a couple pretty good deals at a time. I think when you're at the point Matt was at a couple pretty good deals makes a lot of sense. So Matt, I want to hear more about how you took this over because I do think people are sleeping on this idea of acquiring portfolios as they scale. You were able to not put that much down.

It might be more accessible than people think. We're going to dig into that, but we've got to take one more quick break. We'll be right back. The rise of the tech savvy investors here. You don't need a huge team or tons of overhead to manage rental properties. Just the right tools. So I want to tell you about how I use rent ready to get ahead. For landlords who treat their time like capital and recognize the cost of sweat equity,

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Welcome back to the Bigger Pockets podcast. Matt McCurdy and I are here talking about his journey from buying a single, single family home in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, to buying a package of 10 properties in 2018. Let's talk a little bit about these 10 properties because it sounds great. You only put 100 grand to buy $1.1 million of properties. But I would imagine taking over these properties all at once is kind of like an operational challenge. What was that like? It is. And then the part I didn't tell. you, we actually were expecting our son. He's now seven, but he was born in mid-November of 2018. We closed on those right around like Halloween of 2018. So everything all at once. Yep, of course. That's the way I roll. But at that point, my wife had a little bit of feedback

for me. The question was, how are you going to manage all these? Because at that point, I was self-managing everything. And I started my path of hiring a property manager. And what I did was I still self-manage most of my portfolio, but everything I was acquiring moving forward, I was giving to a property manager because I was still being cheap and scarcity mindset of just not wanting to give over everything because I didn't value my time as much as I probably should have. Did you hire a firm? Were you trying to hire like a person who actually worked for you and just manage your rentals? He was more of a mom and pop property manager versus like, you know, ABC property management company kind of thing. Personally, I find those people to be more effective.

This one wasn't. Oh, no? Uh-oh. Yeah. I went through to one every year and then finally ended up hiring someone in-house and to this day, he's still my property manager. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's kind of the dream, right? The house property manager. That's the ideal world.

Did it at least give you confidence that you could keep scaling from that point? You know, like having hired a property manager, did that mean you could go out and buy more units? Did you want to go buy more packages? Like, what did that open up for you, if anything? It helped me to really develop that team that Robert Kiyosaki talks about. Develop that team. You got to have a team. And maintenance and repair.

contractor type workers are just, they're tough. They're really tough to find because all those property management firms have those contractors and you pay for them sometimes dearly. But getting some of that control back was definitely a blessing for the portfolio. So Matt, after you did this, 2018 still, you started to systemize this business. You're not working in corporate. Like, catch us up to what you've done between 2018 and today. I started looking at mobile home parks. And I acquired a couple of those, one in 2020 and one in 2021. But I still didn't take my eyes off of the single family duplex area that, you know, I've, I really have, has been my bread and butter. And I ended up acquiring another package in 2023 back again, like prices are

white hot, shouldn't be able to get anything. And I ended up buying a package of 22 houses. And I ended up buying a a package of 22 houses. Oh, whoa. In Cedar Rapids still? All the same? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And again, that was another thing where I lowered my cash flow expectations, but I ended up buying in for the equity. Because you got such a good price? Yeah. It really made a ton of sense. I combed through those numbers so many times. I couldn't believe what I was actually buying. I'm pretty sure from purchase price to appraisal value is roughly a million dollars. Wow. Difference. And that was me not turning a wrench on anything. How would you not do that, right? How did that come about? Like, were you looking for a package or did it just kind of fall into your lap? And that's a funny story.

I'm a real estate broker in Cedar Rapids. And I actually helped this client for the first property he ended up selling. But he just kind of started going with another agent. And, And I guess she convinced him to put him into a package or maybe he got tired of dealing with the one Z two Z sales that I told him to do. And he just wanted to be done and out. And just the timing was right. There was a little bit of a lull in Iowa in the fall of 2022 and early 2023 where things were just kind of sitting a little bit longer than they had in the past. And everybody was thinking, oh, I'm going to have my house listed, have 10 offers in the first 10 hours kind of situation. And then when that didn't happen, people kind of panicked.

Yeah. So I actually told the agent, I said, I don't know how he's going to react to me even offering on these. He has my phone number. He could have totally just reached out to me and saved himself all this commission. But again, I was representing myself as the buyer and got commissioned to buy. my own properties. And that one, I didn't bring much to the closing table either because I was able to cross-collateralize one of my mobile home parks and use my commission. I think I brought like $35,000 in cash to closing for $2.2.2 million purchase. Unbelievable. It's all about getting creative.

So Matt, we've got to get out of here. But maybe just tell us before, like, what does your portfolio look like today? And what are your plans for the future? Yeah. So my portfolio. I have roughly 50 buildings, so between single families, duplexes, 60 front doors. And then I have about 90 mobile home lots that are filled with about 100 additional lots that I need to infill for mobile home park stuff. And then just recently wrote a book. I got to publish right before Thanksgiving. I mean. So.

Congrats. What's it on real estate? Yeah. Yeah. I call it the guide to buying one to four unit real estate. And just kind of really the idea was to write something. I never wanted to be an author, but I have a son that's seven. And I'm not sure if he wants to be in real estate or not.

But if I got hit by a bus, I have all this knowledge that I haven't shared with him. Or nor could he comprehend right now just at his age. Sure. So I just wrote 15 chapters in this book of things that I really think are critical for investors to understand. And, and, you know, it's certainly only, I think, 160 pages long. So it's not terribly in depth to the point where, you know, you have all these strategies. But at least it gives you an idea of understanding things. And I try to put in stories and humor to make it fun and real life concepts, kind of like what I.

I've shared today in that. So yeah, the book's called Corn Fed Millionaire, playing upon all these farmers in Iowa. That's awesome. I'm not a farmer if you're wondering. Is it out yet? Yeah, yeah, we published it right before Thanksgiving of 2025. Awesome. Well, check it out. Corn Fed Millionaire. I love the title. Yeah, yeah. And you can check me out. I have a real estate brokerage firm. And, you know, anybody that's looking at Cedar Rapids market, you can go to Investoredge.orgas bigger pockets and you can get a free Cedar Rapids Market Report, kind of tell you what's been going on. We're like every other metro in the country.

We have a couple data centers that are coming online and just a ton of rental demand that we're seeing from that. Well, Matt, thank you so much. congrats on your success and thanks for sharing your insights with us. I know I know probably buying packages of houses sounds difficult, but like if you look at the way Matt sort of methodically went from hustling his first deal to getting a little bigger to getting a little bigger. That's how you scale. You have to put in that effort up front. And then these opportunities, it does start to snowball, whether from your financing or your deal flow. This is how you build

a successful real estate investing career. It takes 10 years. It takes 15 years. But you can absolutely do it. And Matt, congrats on all your success. It sounds like you've really done it all the right way and happy to hear that this has worked out for you in the way you were hoping. Yeah, thanks a lot. Thanks for having me. And thank you all so much for listening to this episode of the Bigger Pockets Podcast. I'm Dave Meyer. We'll see you next time. Thank you all for listening to the Bigger Pockets Real Estate podcast. Make sure you get all our new episodes by subscribing on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Our new episodes come out Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I'm the host an executive producer of the show, Dave Meyer. The show is produced by Ian K. Copywriting is by

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