BILFPOD - Fab Morvan Sets the Record Straight: Milli Vanilli, the Lies, and Why the Truth Always Wins

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

What happens when one of the most controversial moments in music history turns out to be just part of the story — not the whole thing? This week, Mara sits down with the iconic Fab Morvan of Milli Vanilli to set the record straight. From walking away from a politically charged concert event to releasing new music in 2026, Fab is raw, real, and unstoppable. And yes — he sings. 🎶 "The lies take the elevator. The truth takes the stairs. But the truth always comes out." — Fab Morvan 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode of The BILFPod — where authenticity trumps authority.

You can't make people feel uncomfortable when they shine that much. But I remember one instance where someone was very angry and said, you know, one of the reason why I was hating on you is because you're still fighting for your dream. And I gave up and I was like, wow. And I tell people, it's never too late. There is no time. I try to remove the world time out of my vocabulary by focusing on. now. All I have is now. Welcome back to the Billspod where authenticity trumps authority. Wow,

my name is Mara Dorn and I am your host today, but I am fan girling over here because I am coming back to my prime. I am feeling myself, we have the greatest, the best. I mean, I would give you an amazing introduction, but I'm pretty sure everybody knows who Fab Morvin is. I mean, and if you don't know who he is, you really need to figure it out. Like, that's not. you know, I don't feel like I need to give you this. They need to know. They need to know who Fabb is. Fab, welcome to the Bilt Pod.

I'm so excited for this. Thank you. Thank you, Mara. It's a pleasure to come here. And I know we're going to have a good time because that introduction was fun. Oh, my God. If they don't know, should we tell them, girl, you know what's true? Oh, man.

I mean, we got Gertie knows true. We got blaming on the rain. We'll go and I'm going to miss you. Blam me, I know. girl knows shoes. I mean, you know, we have all those, those heads, you know, I just blurring out like that. And I'm showing their heads, there's an echo happening and they hear it right away. I am amazing. But, you know, the reality is, is you've had an incredible career, you know, filled with trials, tribulations. But I think the most, I think the most reputable thing about you

and the most profound thing is regardless, and it was pretty big. I mean, if you don't know what happened, I'm not getting into the whole thing that happened because I don't, I feel like that's just part of the story. That's not the story. But you overcame it.

You are doing amazing things, which we'll talk about. You're doing absolutely amazing things. Also, you know, you have an incredible voice, which I think is really important. Let me say that again, you have an incredible voice, you know. So, oh, I think that's super, that is so amazing to highlight.

But, you know, really what I want to talk about, and I hope it's okay with you is I kind of want to talk about the, and I'm sure for you, it's kind of, is it like a, is this like deja vu, like the controversy that's going on with this whole concert? So I feel like, you know, like we're here again. So I think it's time that you set this record straight because we had some things to talk about. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Well, you know, I've been a part of a huge storm in my life. Okay. And one of the first one that happened. that took me away, you know, in his path, I had no control over it.

And, you know, when you ran into the game, you really don't know how things are going to happen. You have no, you know, there was no team around to protect us. Through the years, I went through other storms. But this very specific storm regarding Freedom 50-50 and the 250-year anniversary in Washington, D.C., with the state fair that was something else because it was nestled with politics

and I understand how politics works and it's a chess game so you know I didn't want to be a pawn in this equation so I bow down I bowed out of the equation

I had pulled out 100% out of the way because I felt like who was doing towards something that I was not supposed to be part of. As an artist, you're here

to entertain. You're here to take people down memory length. You're here to take them out of their daily lives. You're here to shower them with beautiful vibrations. And that's what I was

planning on doing. But when we started to look at what was going on. It looked like a duck, you walk like a duck. And it was like, well, you know, we can't be part of us. You know, you just have to. And the thing is, other artists that were part of the bill started walking out early on, but I'm not a follower. So I had to find out exactly what's going on. Get the facts right. So you don't make any mistakes. You know, once you're out, you're out. But once I found out exactly what was going on and what was,

because the media has a tendency oftentimes to distort stories. And we know right now we use climate. Everything is distorted. Left, right, center. And people benefit from that. Let's not forget that controversy sales, people watch TV. You know, you have the term clickbait. I like to use that term because it really explains exactly what it is about.

And there's a lot of that going on right now. in the media. And now I just don't forget that you have all those podcasts and all those other things that are there just to direct traffic their way and try to win this way. That's the only way they know how to win. You know, that's fun. I'm happy to do here with you because it's about positivity. What happened to me in the story, people know.

Some people don't. And, you know, and there's a book for that. There was a documentary for that. It was a movie. but we're here to talk about how did I manage to pull through because people fall and you know you make mistakes and that's one of the message that I like to convey to people that you can fall make mistakes but you can't stand back up it's up to you take the noise to zero and just go on your bad self you know and it's you yourself and yourself you myself and I imagine yeah yeah absolutely no I think that is one of the I think that is one of the most amazing parts of your story and I and I do think that people forget that it's part of the story. It's not the story. Yeah, it's from the media. Yeah, and the media loves to make it the story, but that's not the story. It's a part. And I mean, let's, and first of all, I do want to point

this out and maybe people are going to get annoyed with me for saying that. Just going back to the lip singing thing, there are tons of, there, I've been at concerts where lip singing was going on. I mean, I don't know why this, this was like such a big like, wow, oh my God, like why I, This is no sense, but it's the media. It's what they do. They hype up things to make it seem like it was bigger than what it actually was. But do you remember when you used to perform, you're jumping around, you're doing this, you're dancing? Like, it's kind of impossible to do both.

So I don't know why this is much the thing. The thing is, you know, let me take you through the whole gamut. You know, I grew up on Michael Jackson, you know, James Brown, Marvin Gay. Those are the people that I look up to, you know. And if you look at the level of performances, you know, I grew up to, you know, and if you look at the level of performances, I've always looked up that. As a kid, I was a dance maker. So I went to see shows.

I've seen shows on Broadway. And it's not impossible to sing and dance. It just takes a lot of work. Right. Now there's another thing that took place. Through the years, you know, music has changed. Music has evolved. And maybe it has something to do with some of the bands

that we used to see jumping on stage They're working it out and just crazy, but then the age has a tendency to slow people down. So maybe now, maybe things are very kind of coo-cutter. They don't have the pipes anymore, so maybe we introduce auto-tune straight into the microphone. People are doing it, you know, so there's a lot of chips. But I'm not pointing a finger at anybody. Things do we evolve, technology brings certain facility and ease to me. made things that were more difficult, more easy for some.

But as far as I'm concerned, I feel like to keep it raw is necessary. Because when you start to use all kinds of tool to mask your energy, you will sever parts of the connection with the audience. But we have in this world, we tend to go towards perfection. if something is not perfectly like oh no that's wrong so if you listen to some records from these sevens and the 80s you're here some of the records like oh that was flat but it was normal as a matter of fact the record sound a certain way but when you want to see the band live they sounded amazing and two times better than the record so that's what i'm saying is son of the times you know things to

change and as an artist it's up to you to pick and choose what do you want to be and don't listen to what anybody says but unfortunately there is pressure from your handlers from your management

that was going to be perfect it can't be it has to be just like the record and then you fall into backup tape and having your mix and your lead be tucked in under your lead

and then when you start through hmm it's got to sound like, and if you make a mistake when you sing, when Mike is here, and the voice keeps going, you're like, oh, is he singing? And the person was singing possibly, but because they have that other lead tucked in under to support the vocals, because if the person is tied, well, it can happen that you won't be perfect. Nothing is perfect.

Yeah, but let's have to just do. I want to hear you sing a little something because I know you could sing. Give me a little something, Fab, just a little. Just let's show these people that had question about who you are. Anything, what are you working on right now? Give me a little tidbit. Just like a one-liner. No, no, everything I'm working on right now is tough secret.

Oh, okay. All right. Take it old school. Take it old school. But let's take it old school. I'll have you. I'm going to miss you because it always works. Every time when you perform this, it's just.

Wow. I'm excited. Amazing. So it's a tragedy for me to see that dream is old. And I never will forget the day we made. Girl, I'm gonna miss you. Yeah, it's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over. And I never will forget the day we made.

Well, I'm gonna miss you. Oh, my God. I am, like, taking it back to, like, roller skating. I remember roller skating. It was a couple skates, and I was told, yeah, it doesn't matter. But, oh, my, just for the record, in case anyone wants to know, Fab can sing. So let's just clear that up right now. And he's amazing.

But, you know, that was incredible. The thing is, I've been touring in Europe for over 30 years. That's the one thing America doesn't know about. So I did it. I did about, I did about two, three shows already with U.S. because I'm coming back to the American market with the I love the Niamis brand and I'm also

touring with other shows but the one brand that brought me back to America is I love the 90s and we got Valinal Ais Bidt, you got Tone Lowe Young MC, Coney Bad and Jazzy Jeff on the bill. June 9 10 Rockford Illinois

I'll be there to entertain you so cute watching my man who doesn't love the Yankee? Who doesn't love the 90s music? Like I, well, obviously you can tell. I'm a huge fan of the 90s music. But, you know, at such a young age, you faced this controversy, right?

This, it was huge. I mean, it was, and I'm sure, I don't, I don't remember it because I was so young. And as, and you were young when this happened. How did you not let it define you? Like, how were you able to, like, come back from me? Well, you know, it took some time for me to not let it define me.

Because at first, you know, I was nudged the game, and I really had no tools to know how to handle it. So, you know, you learned the hardware. I started picking up books about self-improvement. Also, I had gone to Rehab as well. And in Reab, I, you know, talked to psychiatrists. And people that were really knowledgeable about addiction. I was not necessarily an addict. but I went there to support Rob, who was definitely an addict.

But in your process of going to react, I learned a lot of things. And I walked away with those tools and kind of further my education on the issue. And it made me better. And year after year, I got better. But the one thing that got me to survive is music. Because through music, I was able to take that pain, that solo, that pressure that I had felt and write about it. So then because I was making music, I wrote first, because I like to write text first.

It's one of the system that I use. I write the text and then I go into the music. So I was working with various producers and then, you know, some of the songs came to life. Some of them they didn't. But for the most part, the exercise of just writing lyrics and songs and making music gave me then the confidence to go further. It was very therapeutic and it helped me on the journey. And I think that everyone has to do the work.

And that was part of the work that I, that it was forced to do. And I felt like as I was getting better with the music, I felt better at the same time. So I always say music saved my life. It really, truly did it. I mean, it's kind of ironic if you really think about it, the irony. music almost ended your life. And then as far as like your career, not your life, but, you know, your career.

And then music is what got you through everything. So, I mean, I think like when you really think about it, it's like it's really irony when you think about it. It is, I'll say you another one. You know, when we talk about ironic is that I did a commercial for a very big company, I won't say an name here. And then at the end of the filming in the car, the person asked me, so what do you think you want to be known for? And I said, hmm, for being one of the most realist. Because that's the one thing, that's one of the misconception with news,

that people have no idea that I am one of the most realest person you'll ever meet. Yeah. So when you had this dichotony with, you know, oh, me the really, you know, not real, whatever, but I'm one of the realists. And that's why 2012 26, assessment in. important here because I'm going to release music. I'm going to release an EP. And once this EP comes out, I'm going to be releasing EPs after EP, single after single.

We're not going to stop because finally now I'm at a place where I'm putting the pieces together. And, oh man, once we start, we're not going to stop. But I've been sitting on a lot of music, but sometimes you have to wait for things to evolve. And the industry has evolved. So now you can actually release your song. You know, now you don't have to sign through a label. You can sign through the studio. And then you're in control of releasing whenever you want, whatever you like,

and bring people into your musical level. So I look forward to doing that this year to be continue. And you're just, I mean, think about it this way, too. You know, allow, which I think you did, you have by now. How old were you, what were you in your 20s when, when you first came to the U.S. and you were singing? Like, and what were you in? Really?

How old were you? I was, I was about 23 or something. And I'll tell you something. A baby. I was 23 years. And let me tell you how new we were to this world. When I stepped out of it, when I was driving in the losing, you know, towards. downtown, we heard

not even only on the radio on three radio stations. We turned it, wow. We were losing our mind. It was such a shock, right? And as we were driving down the street and we were now in New York, I opened the windows, and I was wondering, why are the streets so quiet?

Because I grew up watching the American movies with the sound, extra sound, you know, the sound that's added in post. And I thought in my head that that's how it sounded. So the streets were sounding so quiet. That sound new and so naive we were rather not. You know, we thought everything that we have seen in movies, definitely were about to meet.

You know, so when we back to New York, we were introduced to that crazy. energy that New York has and the people and we just embraced it because he was so fresh and we met a lot of amazing people and some of the people that we met in the street gave you so much energy that in the night when we went on stage you were like wow this is there's nothing but love but eventually that love turning to something else and that was that was a tough part you know to go from one end of the spectrum to go to the other

and not knowing how to deal with it and that was that was triggered by what was the media by the narrative because there was only one part of the narrative being told of course because it sells more it's more sensationaling

so the fault and the blame was placed on robbing fow so it took years years of work of performing of working and you know the The best work you can make is when nobody's watching. And that work that you pull in when nobody's watching, that's the most important. So I never did anything for anyone else but myself, the math leader.

Now it's different because I walk. Four kids, they're the same woman. I'm very proud of it. And now I do everything but them. So I have an unlimited amount of energy. And with this being said, I feel like. You know, when you're young, you are unstoppable. And it comes with you.

And after all those years, I'm so surprised to see how unstoppable I feel. And especially what's happening in 2026, coming back to America, performing live, reintroduce myself to the audience, to the media. And not only just performing, but doing a great job. I can't wait for people to come and see. I hope one of these days you can come to sit a show because I don't play. You know, I give my all. And the energy that people are used to when it comes to Northern League and what they

saw in the videos, that energy is right throughout. You know, I think, you know, I think, again, you know, the irony of this is, and we were talking about this the first time we spoke, is that, you know, it's almost like you have something to prove. So now, like, you know, the world has had one misconception. Now you get to come back and be like, okay, I got you. You think I can't think you want to, but here I am today. But there's a bug group often.

You know, I studied that very carefully. For example, when it came to the producer, you know, I felt like I had that anger towards the producer, towards all the people that abused us. You spoke badly about us, the people who bullied us. and I had to forgive them first. I had to learn to forgive others. And then when I was able to forgive, I was able to start over and fresh now.

I don't try to prove anything to anybody else. The only person that I'm trying to prove something to is myself. To know that originally you made a mistake, you fell, but year after year, you've proven yourself that you could do this from the start. And that really frees you from this emotional entanglement that you could find yourself into because emotions are complicated and people's energy and dealing with online personalities who have issues as well.

And I found myself sometimes confronted. It's very rare. But I remember one instance where someone was very angry. And then I don't react to people like that But some of my fans came up with this person And then a few days later I didn't take him out because I don't take him up And give him there and let them be

And then they came back to the senses and said You know one of the reason why I was hating on you is Because you still fighting for your dream And I gave up And I was like wow And you can't make me people feel uncomfortable when you shine that much, when you take the chances and others don't think those chances.

Because, and I tell people, it's never too late. You know, just, you know, gather yourself together. You know, I like to say there is no time, you know, there's people you have now, you have past, your present. But for me, I try to remove the world turn out of my vocabulary vocabulary. by focusing on now. All I have is now. So in the now, I make my decisions.

Tomorrow, maybe, no. Like right now, so when I'm talking to me right now, in the now, when I speak about what I want to do, you know, I'm connecting the doubts. You know, I'm solidifying my situation in the near future because what you do is in the now, you put those dots, and those dots will connect eventually. And I feel like people who look too much into the future,

you know, there's a word for that. You procrastinating. You know, you have to do it now. You know, and it's like I've seen this thing where, I forget the name of that, this person, but she was saying that there was a time when she was so depressed in bed, but she couldn't get up.

But then she watched, the departure of a second light to space. And there was a countdown. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 4, 3, 3, 1, 0. And she devised a system where she would say 5, 4, 3, 3, 1, 0. And that prompted a brain to just, let me get out of bed. And I feel like, you know, I've come up with some, tools that I've been able to use in my life daily that have allowed me to deal with that

depression with that, oh, it's more energy for that and doubt. Because doubt, everybody will doubt. You know, it happens to the best of us, but you have to find a way to center yourself, find a way to center yourself and say, you know what? Forget the fear. Go forward and just go. You know, so I had to learn the hard way because man, it felt like Rob and I were there were two kids in the playground, but the playground was the planet and we were being bullied

by the product. So it took a lot of effort and that allowed me to just self-improve. And all the gains that I've made, I made sure to keep him. And that's the reason why people wonder, like, now you feel like so happy.

I said, yeah, I've found what I love. I love making music. I love creating. I love inspiring others. I am the frequency modulator. FM. I'm guilty. You are.

Listen, there's two times of people, right? There's two types of mindsets. There's an open mindset and a closed mindset. Closed mindset are the people that are like, they're the victims. They're always the victims. Then you have the people that are, you know, they're a part of the victim. They're not victims themselves. So you take what you learned and you can use that negative energy and you can use it to

propel yourself forward or you can take that negative energy and be angry. And what you said at the beginning, you were like, you know what I took. I had to first forgive everybody else. But you're right. The only person that you have to ever prove yourself to is yourself because you come in to this life with yourself and you lead this life with yourself. And as long as you allow yourself grace and as long as you know who you are, your eternal, authentic self, it really doesn't matter what everybody else thinks, which

is kind of funny because I do want to bring this up. We have to, we, I have to address this because it really made me mad when I heard about this. So first of all, I'm just going to, so rumor on the street is that there are these women that swear they, you know, that they're milly-vinilly. So I just, I, I really have an issue with this that 30 years later, some ladies are coming out saying that they're, you know, they're really the vocals behind everything. So I do want to on-air offer them a job, Fab. Like, if they are that desperate for work, I am happy because I'm hiring right now. So if they need to work, I am happy to do that

for them because 30 years later they come out and say, oh, we're really the vocals, that's a little problematic for me. Let's cover that. So we're talking about you know, it's funny because we're talking about background seniors. I've never heard of background seniors

acting as if they were the lead to begin with. Now it's a twin pair. But in reality, it's one of them that is pushing this specific agenda. Maybe because she has a business that's an issue to push,

but let's talk about this. I've been performing in Europe for over 30 years. I've never heard of this person performing with the rest of the group. The first time I heard Osir was performing the group was about 32 and 33 years ago when Frank Farring decided to take

the members, all the people, people who sang on the record in the studio. He was trying to prove a point, right?

After that, I've never heard of this person. But she's been trying on the internet to talk about she talked smack

and I call that clickbait. You know, if you think about millivineally to finish, you think about two shadows,

two shadows of long hair, and it's raw and foul and nobody else. Whatever you can think of, whatever. Oh, they didn't sing. No.

Nilvinel is Robin Felt. As a matter of fact, I've been granted the rights to perform and use the name, Nilevenile when I perform live. For the promotion, for the posters. Nobody else has the right to perform under the name, believe it. So I don't know what she's talking about, but again,

you know. Mike drop. That's it. If she needs a job, she'll come to me. I got your back. needs a job that bad. She can come to me. I'm hiring currently. So we'll, we can send her the website and she can apply there. You know, because listen, and you're doing this. I'm doing this. You know, so, you know, like, it was in cars. Catch my dust. My drop. That's it. That's whatever. You're on to bigger and better things like your book. What about your book that you're doing? Okay, so the book is going to be, um, where can we find it and tell me the name? Are you allowed to say

No, not yet. Everything is top secret, but the book is coming. He's being re-released. Okay? A different title, different chapter. But this book got me a Grammy nomination in a category of your book. Wow. Tell me about this top secret book that you are re-releasing.

Well, the book is not, what's secret about is there's going to be a new title. Why is there going to be a new title and new chapters? It's because the Los Angeles Shudmy, the publisher that I was working with originally, hasn't paid me a cent for all the book sales until now. The based out of Los Angeles, there's Perisa Rose, Mora. Those people that are part of the Los Angeles Tribune and involved in every aspect of the book, didn't pay me a cent. They ran for the hills when it was time to pay me.

So, luckily, my, they capitalize off the book? Oh, yes. I don't know how much the book is sold for now because I don't have, I have no information. But lucky me, I had a very strong agreement. So I got everything back now. The issue is, it's on Amazon, on the, you know, and it's true. It's on many other platforms. forms. So right now in the process of removing it and coming out under a new title,

the new chapter, new information. But yeah, the cat is out of the bag, you know, because it's the first time that I mentioned in that here today. But the Los Angeles, the street, you need a number on it. That's for sure. They promised me the world. Everything appeared to be genuine at the beginning, you know, like any relationship you start, you're going to a relationship, and it feels good. And it would say, yes. Let's take on the world. Let's win. You know, we got a nomination for the grand as a team.

We worked together. We could work in. But when he came town to get paid, for some reason, they disappeared. And I've been trying to reach him, you know, to remedy the breach, you know, on a friendly basis. No answer.

So then you have to send the attorney. Send the attorney, but then you don't get no. So then, you know, you look at your contract and we're just, we've been following every, everything that was in the contract and now we're free from that. And this is why we're going to re-release his book on the different title. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope if they're listening or somebody does know these people, they need to pay you your money.

I mean, that's, look, this is what America's about. It's the, you know, people come here for an opportunity and you 100% deserve to be paid your your fees and your royalties and whatever else they owe you ASAP period you send a story it's crazy that you know we we wrote this book together about my story it's about exploitation and i feel exploited like literally explated you know so you know we we we came together for a reason it was to speak my truth to teach people also about about resilience and and and falling and and sending back, but it's a very positive books. And I can understand that now, you know, by behaving like this, they're tainting, you know,

our relationship that we had originally. But, you know, there's no show business, like show business. And I guess, you know, again, it's another lesson. But the one thing I'm making sure is that my contract was solid. So I'm getting everything back. I have everything. And it's in my control now. we're just going to move forward and spread the work.

Bab, you are resilience. I think you're the definition of resilience. And I think that it speaks volumes of the type of person that you are coming back to the U.S. doing this 90s. First of all, I'm just excited that you're doing that. So I'm just selfishly saying that. But it really does speak volumes that you're coming here to really showcase your abilities, your talents.

But you weren't just like, and I said this before, and I'll say it again, you are absolutely 100% just scratching the surface with your music that's out, with your book, everything that you have going on. If you could leave the audience with Fab's words of wisdom, what would you say? Ooh, well, I use those, you know, I have several, but I will start with when you fall,

meaning when you make mistakes, it's not the end of the world. There are no problem. There are only solutions. It's up to you to put the work in. Nobody else. So don't be afraid of failure. Because failure is going to shake you into what you're going to become.

It's just the way it is. If you look at Michael Jordan, how many baskets he missed, but how many did he put in at the right time? So the dedication to your craft and who you want to become is important. Now at last, I will say that manifestation. You have to go into a dimension where you are making it, you are doing it. And then you come back to the other reality. But make sure to go into that other reality, smell it, feel it, feel what it's like to be successful.

to be happy because of that success. And then, of course, you go back to the other side. Like, keep doing that regular. You know who's doing that great and has been doing a great list, rappers? Rappers talk about their success, which they don't have right now. We talk of having this and having that and having this. I mean, Jay-Z is the epitome of that.

Look where is at now. look at nod in the investment industry like wow and there are many more you know so I think that you you have to speak

what you won't you have to speak it don't be afraid of speaking it of asking afraid whatever you have to do but don't be afraid of going forward because that's not going to leave you anywhere

and I come from the Europe And in France, I didn't grow up. I didn't grow up with that way of let's go. That's very America. And I think that's one of the one thing that America has exported is to the rest of the world is that let's go. Let's go. Let's go get it.

And that feeling, and when you're surrounding it from people who believe in you, because you put the work in, then they start to see something that, you know, Maybe if I join forces the biggest person, maybe we can accomplish something. So the moral work you put into yourself, you will attract. And it's up to you to listen to your instant and say, this person is not good for you. But sometimes people come into your life to teach you a lesson, and then people are here for a season, but not necessarily for the future adventure.

So that I tried to do it. Well, that was amazing. I love it. I absolutely love it. And you can't take everybody with you either. That's okay. And your new chapter, your new chapter, your new season is here. And if anybody wants to find you, Fab, where would they find you?

It's very easy. You know, Thadmore than Instagram, Thad more than Facebook, Thad more than YouTube. They don't know you then. Who cares? Everybody should know you. Everybody should know. Everybody should know you. Well, then you tell me, you know, wherever I go, for some reason, someone picks up on

who I are. And now we're about to take it to the next level. Next level. You're just being, I think, I think you're being modest. You are Millie Vanilli. I mean, if you do not know who Millie Vanilli is, even my daughter knows. My daughter knows. Everybody knows who you are. So give yourself a lot more grace than what you're giving. I think you're well. Well, the one thing I've learned is that you have to be careful when with, I think, I think, Let's call it ego.

You know, you have to, you know, as you, when you're young, you have ego, you know, that ego is present. But I think that you have to destroy ego. And I think that when I fell, I shattered my ego. But I understand that, you know, I don't need to pick up those pieces and put them back together. Ego should die. Because when ego dies, then it will simplify your life. and then especially when you work with people and you work on the project together

it's about the project it's not about the ego so be careful with ego and I'm very confident you know I appear to be very chill and I am but what I do to talking is on stage in the studio I do that I show up for those and men it's it's

it's very difficult to ignore the fact of, okay. And I turn into another person because, you know, that that's this other guy. You know, Dr. J.P. O'Hill and Mr. Hyde, you know, is that dichotidon. When I'm on stage, I am that guy. But when I get off stage, you know, I go back to, you know,

we chill, we relax and I never mix both. And when I'm home, I'm dead and fab. I love that. I think that's the most important title anyways. So, Fab, you are incredible. Absolutely. If you guys took anything away from today's podcast, take away the fact that, you know, it doesn't matter what you've done in your past. What matters is the lessons that you take from it to really, you know, it's just a part of the story. It's not your whole story. There's different chapters. There's different seasons. But more importantly, when you are authentic and you know who you are inside, everything else doesn't matter. Fab, thank you for spending some time with me. I know you are busy. And I am so glad that we just got to set the record. of that we got to set the record straight as well as offer a job today.

So if anybody's out there and they're pretending like they're milly-vinilly, we're not going to have that anymore. I just want to be clear about that. And to finish, you know, time will tell. That's it because, you know, and my last line will be the truth always takes the

elevate. Yeah. No, no, the truth always takes the stairs while the lies take the elevator, meaning the lies will go up fast. The truth takes this time, but the truth always comes there. It always comes out.

So, you know, I am a very patient man, and you have to be patient. It's a virtue that you have to practice it. I love it. If you guys love today's episodes, please tune in for more conversations. Today was amazing for me. I hope it was as amazing for you, Fab.

But if you like to do that episode, go ahead, like, subscribe. Unlike Fab, you better subscribe because you're a Belf. You are a Belf. So you have to subscribe. Don't forget. But like, subscribe, leave a comment, give us some love. Fab, you are amazing. Thank you so much for spending some time with me today.

Thank you. Thank you, Maura. I appreciate you. Thank you for the invite. I am coming to the concert, too. I promise you, I'm going to go. Come on. And, you know, there will be another episode.

You know, I'll come back to the bills. We need to do the follow-up, the prelude. Yes, because you know, everything I talked about right now, I just want to show your, your audience, that everything I talk about is I'm a man in my word. I'll come back and we'll see what I am next time. Tell them, you don't talk about it, you be about it, Bab. Tell them who you are. About it, about it. That's it. Bye, baby. I appreciate you. Bye-bye.

Bye.