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Episode Date: January 4, 2025

Outdoor report with Greg Roberts from Rogue Weather Dot Com, open phones and topics.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clouserdrilling.com. Eight minutes after seven, Michael Shaw. Michael, you want to weigh in on this conversation about the speaker vote and everything else going on today. Go ahead. Well, not on that. I'm not disagreeing with anything that Rick had to say.

I really appreciate his efforts in it he's on our behalf um but the thing that has stuck to my craw for a number of decades is the term small business so generally in most cases people consider a small business as being under 50 employees but a a 40 or 35 employee company can generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. Is that really a small business? Now, I think that there needs to be a definition in there because most small businesses are actually micro businesses. You've got a family-run restaurant that's got five or six or eight employees that generates a million or two million or whatever it is. So what would you think would be a better definition of a small business then? Well, small businesses, it can be fine, but they need to talk about micro-businesses because a big chunk of our employment in this country is by micro-businesses.

Those of under 10 employees, those that are under $5 or $2 million a year in revenue, and those are micro-businesses. We have banks that talk about doing small business loans that refuse to talk to a micro-business because they're too small. Interesting. I was not aware of that. I think that the government in the small business conversations needs to differentiate between a small business and a micro business, because you'll find that farmers are micro businesses. They are the family. You know, there's three or four or five people in a family running a farm. There is a restaurant that's owned by mom and dad and their teenage son was there. Those are micro businesses. They're not small businesses.

Good point. And thanks for making it, Michael. Let me go to Ron. Hey, Ron, go on or go ahead. Yeah, I can't help but to wonder if the Republicans have been kneecapped since there's been four million more votes for Republican side than the Democrats. And the answer is the Dominion voting machines have interfaced and taken over essentially the win that the Republicans could have had. How did that affect the Democrat or the Republican majority? How did it affect that, you think? Well, it would have been much larger had the voting machines not been in place, because why is there four million more people, and yet we're only a few votes separating the Democrats from the Republicans?

Well, remember, you're talking about popular vote for President Trump. He had four million extra, I think is what your number, I forget what the actual number is. I'm just going to use your number just for sake of argument. That doesn't mean that, you know, let me put it this way. Just because you have, you know, 80 percent, more of these voters in Texas, let's say, doesn't mean they get necessarily any extra congressional representation because, you know, you'll have red and blue zones, so to speak. I mean, that's why. But, all right.

I do find it interesting, though, how it only seems to work, though, for Republicans, the longer that they take to count, Ron, and recount with the machines and everything else, the more the Democrats win. It's just very interesting every time. And so I'll concede your point on that much, all right? Mr. Outdoors is standing by, and we'll take it to the Outdoor Report. Then more of your calls coming up. Access your stored items safe and secure. Storage at Exit 24 has all sizes of units with traditional outdoor access

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Okay, I'm just getting everybody on the phone here, getting everybody taken care of. Outdoor Report here. Mr. Outdoors is here. Greg Roberts at Rogue Weather. How are you doing this morning, RogueWeather.com guy? I'm doing good. You know, first uh outdoor report of the new year and of course you know new year everybody who's into hunting and fishing you know i would hope you uh got yourself reset for 2025

and you're not out there doing something dumb like oh I forgot to get my new licenses and tags because, well, that's not going to be any defense with the trooper writing you up and when you get to court. Probably not. All right. Hey, John's standing by online. He wanted to make a comment about coming out of drought here and wanted to get your take on something.

Bring him on. I don't normally do that early in the talk, but let's just do it since John's here. Hey, John, what did you want to say to Greg? Go ahead. Well, we've basically been in a drought cycle for 30 years on and off. But I've noticed that since all this rain, the ground is still not saturated. After it stops raining for a few hours or a day or so, it's wicking the water already. I just wonder how much water we've actually had and what it looks like for saturating the ground

again. Well, don't judge it just off the surface because we have had so much rain hit, especially since the, I'm going to say, 15th of December, that you don't have to go down very far before you get into really water-saturated ground. And, you know, the fortunate thing is we are going to get to a period of drying next week where we're going to be able to get some deeper drying than just the surface level. But you know, again, between now and then and through the weekend, we're looking at more rain coming in and believe me, it won't take long for all those big puddles you were seeing on the surface to reappear because it's just not much room down in the ground for that water to go. So we're still seeing it in really high flows running through our creeks and our rivers,

which, of course, is going to impact steelhead fishing again this weekend. So, yeah, I would never say judge the surface condition and then say that's happening all the way down through, because that's not the case. The thing that's actually worrying me the most, and it's starting to come up in conversation— And by the way, thank you very much for the call there, John. I just wanted to let you go. So you're concerned about what here, Greg? Go ahead.

The lack of snow that we have between 3,500 feet and 5,000 feet. I've been watching this go on all winter so far. We've got a lot of snow up at Mount Ashland. We've really got a lot of snow up at Crater Lake National Park. In fact, on the first, they had over 10 feet of snow at park headquarters when normally they would still have less than five feet. Now we did get some warmer air and rain hit and that compressed the snowpack down to where yesterday they were reporting 116 inches. So seven inches down in 24 hours just because of the warmer air and the rain compacting the snowpack. But below 5,000 feet, we don't have the amount of snow that we would normally have.

And when you look at our overall snowpack situation, we have not much terrain above 5,000 feet. We've got a lot of terrain between 3,500 and 5,000. And those are bare right now. You see a snowpack building up. If you don't get snowpack building up in that 3,500 to 5,000 foot range, then what happens is things dry out faster. When we get to the summer, it can contribute to, you know, more severe fires, fires burning hotter because everything's drier. And then John was just talking about the groundwater. Well, we're going to see groundwater tables dropping out much faster because we just don't have that sheer volume of snow we need to see between 3,500 and 5,000 feet. A buddy of mine sent me pictures of Applegate Reservoir, and there's a booming inflow coming down the Applegate through Seattle

Bar into the reservoir, and the reservoir for the time of the year has a huge amount of water in it. But it would be ideal if there was more snow. Well, you needed more snow up in that neighborhood, right, is essentially what you were saying, and less flow. Right. And we're getting the opposite of that. And I've got a Mount Ashland board member. I did make a comment yesterday on the Mount Ashland page talking about, well, this is great for the mountain. We need to start seeing snow between 3,500 and 5,000 feet, or we're going to have some concerns about the summer. And a Mount Ashland board member who is very much a hardcore environmentalist

immediately hit me with, well, who are you talking to? Well, I don't need to dignify that with a response. Anybody in firefighting who has any knowledge of fire behavior, who has any knowledge of anything, looks and sees no snowpack between 3,500 feet and 5,000 feet, figure it out, genius. I think you can. Yeah, well, it's been helpful for me. I had no trouble getting to sites this time of year, which usually is, you know, for maintenance, it's usually more of a problem. I was up at Grants Pass Baldy yesterday, which I think is what, about 3,000? Yeah, that'd be about right. Yeah, 3,200, somewhere in there.

Not a flake anywhere, you know, really at that point. Right. And it is kind of unusual, because normally in January I'd be saying, boy, you know, that could be a tough one getting up to Baldy out of Phoenix. You know, there'd be no way. And there's no problem right now. So that is a problem. Okay. Yeah. And in fact, if you got work you need to do at the sites, you're looking to have weather next week that will definitely be good for hitting just about, I think, every single tower site you've got. Yeah, yeah. And yet, at the same time, I do get concerned because, yeah, you're talking about that lower-level snow that helps even out the water distribution in the spring and summer, going into, you know, melting the melt-off from that, right?

Yeah. And I think of all the times you've talked about having to have our friend and your snowmobile, Steve, get you into tower sites. And, well, you definitely haven't had that issue arise. No, crazy Steve Porter? Man, I've got to tell you. Yeah. You know, I didn't realize a snowmobile could do about 50 miles an hour up some of those roads. And I felt like I was going to die.

Today's the day I'm going to die when I was with Steve. Yeah, you've described several trips to tower sites where it was close your eyes and hope you make it in one piece. And yet he got you there every time. Yeah, he did. I love the guy. I love him. But, hey, so anyway, is there anything in the modeling that you can see longer term as we get through January that might show a return, though, to some lower-level snow, which would really help us out, because all this rain we've been getting, hey, that's great, but, as we know.

Yeah, and yes, we've seen this before, and yes, there are definitely beginning to be some indications that come the end of this month and then into February, we may yet see our coldest outbreak of air so far to this point in the season. And yet, if you start looking back at history, that would not be any great surprise, because historically, February, especially down here in this part of the world, we have had some very big, low-elevation valley floor snow events hit in February, and the way this is really starting to look, this might go this way. And another reason I'm starting to really believe this is I started getting all kinds of messages from people following national media. And the national media makes it sound like whatever is happening on the East Coast is going to happen to the entire country. And they started yelping about major Arctic deep freeze, severe winter conditions,

you know, blizzards and sub-zero temps and all of this, making it sound like it would be the whole country. Well, it's the Rockies East. And at the same time that we're going through that, I'm going to be putting up some information today on the rogue weather socials. At the same time, the eastern half of the United States is going to plunge into Arctic cold. We're going to be soaring into well above average temperatures because it never almost ever works that the entire country goes cold all at once all at the same time because one half is one way and the other half is the other and that's going to be the case coming up you hear cats knocking stuff off in the background great um that's going to be our case as we get into

the middle part of January when we go through this big Arctic cold snap back east. We're going to be really warm, but there is modeling out there. There is longer range data suggesting that at the end of the month going in through February, we're all going to be cooling down due to a massive polar vortex that's going to develop and chill down basically the entire country. Okay. Greg Roberts once again, RogueWeather.com, The Outdoor Report here. Hey, Greg. Now, as far as the rain for this weekend here, from what I'm seeing, most of it is the heaviest stuff going to start tapering off, or we still have heavy stuff through this weekend. Because, you know, going back to John's conversation, you know how I have that open pool that I took the liner out,

and I'm going to fill the pool in, and we've been trying to get some dirt to do that? It's three feet deep, and it has no bottom there right now. And the water is just from the ground table underneath there. It's like two feet down. The soil is wet, really wet. And so I don't think that's unusual right now. It's what we're looking at right now because of all of this rain these last few weeks. Right.

Is that going to change? And it gets back to what I was saying about don't judge the entire depth of the soils just by what you see happening on the surface, because you get down too far and it's still, it's really wet. There's not a lot of absorption ability. And as we've gone through these periods of these heavier rounds of rain, and we have been seeing the increasing issues with floods, well, or, you know, high water situations for sure, not necessarily big major floods, certainly not New Year's Day 97, but we've definitely seen some high water episodes happening. That's because

of the stacking effect of all of that moisture coming in and the ground just being so full of moisture, there's just nowhere for it to go and it turns into straight runoff. Yeah, and a lot of, and I also noticed going up into those hills on some of those trails over the last few days, a lot of little mini avalanches everywhere. Ground is soft, and it's really allowing a lot of roll-off coming from some of these hills. You get that. You get a lot of slough where you get entire slopes kind of sliding because they basically liquefy, and then gravity takes it from there. Water, of course, displaces things, so you get debris roll out, whether that's rocks, trees, you name it. And, of course, that is a major impact on Highway 199. And then, of course, you have ground in motion right now, geologically speaking, happening over there as things are still vibrating around from that 7.0 earthquake off of Humboldt.

Oh, we're still getting some shakes from that, huh? I didn't know. I kind of forgot about that story and just let it go. I was like, well, that was last year, right? You know, that kind of thing. Yeah, well, no. And, you know, obviously that's going to be the thing because everybody held their breath waiting for the big one. And, of course, I told everybody this doesn't mean the big one's coming because that didn't happen in the right place.

And it happened at the triple point junction of three plates. And we've seen this there before without getting the big one. But, yeah, you get that much movement happening and things kind of stay in motion and you don't necessarily They just gradually get weaker, but it's still ground in motion. And then you throw heavy rains and water seeping into the soils and all the loose stuff. It just, everything's kind of in motion anyway, and water is a force magnifier, and it helps trigger it. And voila, land slides on Highway highway 199 so watch out for that so greg here as we wrap up the outdoor report for this week here what would be your favorite outdoor activity to do this weekend if you had your brothers until this morning when i saw the new data i was thinking

well that's a bummer would have been a great weekend, the final holiday weekend of the Christmas-New Year's break for people to get to Mount Ashland. And yesterday morning at this time, it said it was going to be raining today through tomorrow with a shift to snow tomorrow at Mount Ashland. Nope. It should be turning to snow about any time now up at Mount Ashland. And temps will be cooling today, so it's going to be snowing at some point today at Mount Ashland, and then snow for Saturday and Sunday, so go skiing at Mount Ashland. That is the pick activity for outdoors. Or if you're not a skier, go to a snow park then.

Do a little playing that way. If you're a snowmobiler, there's definitely, especially around Diamond Lake, Crater Lake, they're going to be seeing enough new snow to make it really a lot of fun. So snowmobiling, Crater Lake, Diamond Lake area, snowmobiling, the trails will firm up and be good riding to in Lake of the Woods down through the Hyatt Lake area. But the more significant new snow is definitely going to be Crater Lake, Diamond Lake, and then the Cascades north from that. Final question I had for you, Greg, have you kept any eye on the Klamath? And I know that there was some flooding or potential that was going on here now that all those dams or most of those dams have been taken out of that

system. Has there been any further trouble at this point, or has it been? Well, not that I've seen, because they basically experienced what we experienced on our main stem rivers here. A lot of really high water pretty much approached flood stage, but I never saw it actually go to flood stage. I never saw any kind of flood bulletins issued for the Klamath anywhere on its length. I will say this, in terms of helping cleanse that river, this was probably a pretty good hose down for the river. I mean, I think it definitely helped. You know, honestly, we've got a lot of waterways around here that a flood ripping down through them probably wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen

at this point. A little scouring. A lot of damage humanity has inflicted on them. The Klamath would certainly be one now. Bear Creek would be the other one. Do you know we have not had a significant flood on Bear Creek since New Year's Day in 97? No, didn't know that. Do you also want to know this is now a record in terms of not having a major significant flood on Bear Creek since white people arrived and started keeping records? Didn't know that. So I would imagine this is kind of what John was talking about, though, 30-year drought. 30-year drought, right?

You know, essentially what we've been experiencing. Huh. All right. So we need something, then, to wash away the broken shopping carts and bird scooters, electric scooters that have been thrown. Well, I don't know if that stuff necessarily washes away. I know. I'm kidding.

I'm kidding you. Okay. All right. I'm having a little fun. this long for us to have that happen. And then as soon as we start talking rain and there's even the possibility of flooding, everybody wants to immediately proclaim, well, this is just like 1964 all over again. Well, absolutely wrong. Yeah, 64. Between 3,500 and 5,000 feet. In 64 and 72, we had huge snow packs between 3,500 and 5,000 feet and down to the valley floor. The same was true in 97. We don't have that right now.

When you don't have that, you can't have that kind of flood. Okay, so you drive by the Rogue River, Rogue River, city of Rogue River, exit 50, you're looking at that. It's looking real high. It's right there at the edge, but you're probably not going to see much above that then, right? Fair enough. And I think people honestly forget just how high those rivers got in the 64, the 72 floods, basically in everything prior to the two dams going in. And I look at what's happened since the two dams went in. The only flood that we have seen since the two dams went in that got anywhere close to even 72, 97 New Year's Day.

Yeah, because that was such a, you had so much low elevation snow being melted too by that pineapple express coming through okay all right all right greg have a great weekend and we will catch you next friday happy new year to you and yours and uh and go get that cat some food obviously he or she's hungry okay well no it wasn't necessarily food you cats are cats and it's like oh there's some new things that appeared because of Christmas. I must investigate. Oh, yeah. The new things are on the floor now.

Oh, yeah. I know. They're all there. Gotcha. All right, Greg, you take care. Have a good weekend. All right. See you then.

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Nobody really wants the speakership. He's willing to take all the shots. and you know i find a lot of uh conservatives uh uh are we call it perceptionist in an imperfect world and you know they seem to they can't add and subtract well i would say this and i like a lot about uh about congressman massey as an example there's a lot about him that i like this is not the time to be that way. That's all I'm saying. When it comes time to, you know, you've got to compromise. Yeah.

Appreciate the call. Let me go to David in the Bay Area. Hello, David. How are you? Well, hey, Bill. You know, I disagree with you when you're calling the omnibus bill pork, you know, it's the job of taxation with representation is what America is all about. A republic is when the people get to decide how their district is going to be managed. And when you call the needs of a district pork.

You know, if you're in a friggin' small county in Utah and you need some school repairs and you ask your congressman to try to get some money coming in so that the roof doesn't leak or the library doesn't rot, then that's not pork. Well, the thing is, though, there's a time to do those but i don't think trying to uh hurry up and do a uh you know a a christmas tree at the very end of the congressional term is a good idea i just i just don't think it's a great way to go about a lot of bad stuff gets funded and frankly why is it the federal government's job to make sure that some school district has a new roof? It's up to their local people and even their states to take care of that, wouldn't you say? No.

No? Well, you're in an area of Oregon that has enough small towns that you realize that the corporations like the quickie marts, there's every dime you spend in a quickie market sucked out of town. It doesn't get locally. It doesn't get locally reinvested. You put money into the gas station that gets sucked out of town that minute. And the idea that every town in America, small town in America, is turned into a colony and that this is straight back to 1776. Well, I would tend to disagree with you a bit that right now having the United State of America, which is kind of the way you're describing it, that it's not the United States, it's supposed to be the United State in which FedGov controls all.

I don't know. To me, that is the worst colonization of all. But I guess we'll have to disagree on this one. Who came up with the tax laws that says that if you go back to right after 1776, they didn't want colonization to reemerge. And so they wouldn't give a business license to a company that was going to do business across the county line. There were some of those states that wouldn't give a business license to a bank to do business outside of that town. See, where you and I will differ, though, is that I don't think there should be licenses to do business. Well, that's pretty damn fool. You say any huckster can just come into town and start looting it and leave pollution behind and leave injured and sick people?

That's just lame. Well, see, you and I have a difference of opinion. You see, to me, a license means that, you know, essentially you are doing something that is otherwise illegal. And, you know, the concept that a bunch of people, you know, together are somehow able to determine what is my best way of doing business, I'm not that as collectivist as you are, I guess. So I guess that makes me a fool, David. Go to the founding fathers. Just read the basic writings of

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We have a difference of opinion in which the whole idea is that if you didn't have licensing, then any fool could come in there and just do things and then screw with you. And there'll be pollution in the world. And, you know, the thing is, and I would agree, you always have to watch out for the tragedy of the commons in which people are able to offload their problems, you know, so to speak, into the river, as an example.

You make something and you discharge it. But you see, does having a business license really do that? Does having a DEQ really stop that? Ultimately, I would see in a more voluntary society in which you are able to just set up your business, that that's where you actually put the legal system, the actual lawyerly system to work. And then if you're actually doing damage to something, fine. You get sued.

I think that's how you take care of it. This whole idea that government functionaries are going to protect us has been, I don't think, has proven its mettle over the years. My opinion, I could be wrong about this, and I'm always willing to be proven wrong. But I will look at the inability to start up maybe even just, I'm going to use up, I'm going to bring this example up of Don Hurley. My old colleague used to work here at Bicostal Media. He ended up moving to Tennessee, which takes a much lighter, a lighter tactic when it comes to business licensing, permitting, and various other

things, which means that, yes, I suppose that life is inherently a little more risky. But we've gotten to the point where we have so licensed, permitted, and z baking bread and ends up turning out to be very popular bread in her home kitchen. And she's selling it like crazy to the neighbors. And then it expanded and she starts selling in a grocery store. And then it's multiple grocery stores. And Don ended up quitting his broadcast career over there to take over running this. This is a small, I guess you could call it a micro business, going back to what Michael Shaw was talking about a few minutes ago. That is now growing like the proverbial weed, okay? And here in Oregon, you couldn't get away with what they did.

Linda and I were just looking at this. They would just show all the bread out there and going into the supermarkets. They went down, there was home-baked bread going into the supermarkets. Apparently the regulations are a little lighter there, and they're able to go right in. What happens here in Jackson or or josephine county if you try doing something like that oh no do you have your permit are you doing this in a commercial kitchen which of course adds tremendously to the cost now i know people will say oh it's if we didn't have these commercial kitchens in the permitting, then people would have dangerous food.

Yeah, I'm thinking about this as we have this national food crisis all the time in which every other day, oh, you know, broccoli at Walmart is infected with listeria. Then it's all through Costco. And then it's all, oh, that's okay. The permitting system has done that. Life is inherently risky, I guess is what I'm getting at. But this is even going back to what Rick and I were talking about. Let people start those micro-businesses.

Let them grow something outside of the giant corporations. You know, the Davids of the world will sit there and criticize, well, the giant corporation takeover of America. And I understand his opinion about that. I bet you do, too. I'm concerned that you get to the point where, you know, we're sitting around here and screaming and saying, oh, you've got to stop the Safeway Albertsons merger. You know, all this kind of stuff. You have to stop all that merger. And yet,

they ignore the monopolies of the Walmarts and Amazons when it comes to groceries. They're like, wait a minute. You don't understand it. What they're fighting against is much, much bigger than even what they would be after those supermarkets merged. I don't get it. I look at both Biden and Trump in favor of not selling U.S. steel. U.S. steel is dying on the vine and has been dying on the vine for about 40

years. Nippon Steel, the Japanese firm firm it was actually willing to invest billions upon billions of dollars to make u.s steel great again oh but the unions well i don't see the unions walking up trying to buy the company do you and i know this is like a payoff from both uh from both press everyone's now trying to pay off the labor unions in my opinion with their uh their stance on this you know it's just um we have to make it easier to be able to do business and punishment needs to be for real harm not for not having your permit and we've gotten away from that for quite some time in my opinion 770-5633 let me go to the phone since it is open and i'm happy to talk with you about

whatever's on your mind hi who's this good morning good morning this is uh todd in central point bill to the point yeah uh i wanted to talk to you monday about you Monday about listening to the planning department director of Central Point and made my head spin. But to your point and the guy from the Bay Area, quick example, my wife's cousin down in Southern California, this is a couple of years ago, told me the story of how he was representing a business that was trying to build high-efficiency trash incinerators, super clean. I mean, it comes back, it pollutes almost nothing. Because we certainly have a landfill problem in many areas, right? Exactly. But to the Bay Area guy, and I hope he stays there and enjoys taxes and everything close

he's doing in that area. He gave me an example. He said in California, to go through the entire environmental process, the permit process, all the inspections, before they could shovel, turn over the first shovel of dirt was going to be $10 million. Nothing to show for it. And who can do that? Who can afford to come up with that kind of capital to do this bill the he said in texas the permit process ten thousand dollars so you know what there's a reason why businesses are flying out of california when i was living in

la we general motors had uh in Van Nuys, they were building cars in Los Angeles. There's no car production. I mean, Tesla's pulling the plug on that. Yeah, I'm kind of curious. Are they still building cars up in Fremont, California? I remember when I lived in San Jose for a short time, they had a plant there. Is that gone or is it still there? Do you know? Toyota and General Motors had a joint plan. Obama, you know, flew the flag there. Look what great things we're doing. Within a year, they were gone.

Okay. But I'm going to call you Monday about what I heard. It made my head spin. I'll call you Monday about the bill for the planning department director from Central Point. It's a hive mind of liberalism. Are you sure you don't want to do it now? Or is it something you think would wait? If you have time, Steve, I usually put notes down so I can keep my thoughts clear.

Well, I'll tell you what. I would love to hear your experience with the planning director because, you know, essentially we have the entire state, well, it's not even just here, the entire United States, but to a greater extent, California, Washington, Oregon, in which everybody's Philip Drew, administrator, and they know just how we're supposed to be run, right? Is that kind of your experience? I have mine. And I want to apologize to you.

Last night I actually was listening to Jackson Public Radio, and I was reaching for the dial to turn it off, but then I heard it was this lady from Central Point Planning Department, the director there. Her name sounded like a lovely lady, Stephanie Powers. And I live in unincorporated Central Point, so I listened. And, of course, all the buzzwords that make you go nuts. Sustainability. I was just going to say that i figured

sustainability in fact you should you could almost have with a planner uh the drinking game every time they say sustainable drink a beer and my dad was my dad was a small-time builder in southern california in late 50s through the 70s so i was built i was familiar with the process. So in a nutshell, basically what they're going to is higher density, everything you know. I thought it was isolated to maybe Ashland and Talent, but higher density, less cars, and an integrated mass transit. So let's say if you wanted to go from Central Point down to Ashland or up to White City, you wouldn't need a car. And one thing that kind of struck a chord with me is to reduce the minimum number of parking spaces. They want you out of your car, and they want to control how you move and how you live.

And as an example, which was really interesting to me because I walk my dog there all the time, she talked about the Twin Creeks project. That started in 2000. That was a 230 acre farm. And the developer wanted to put in conventional houses. Well, that didn't really fly very well. So they manipulated them.

So is that why it's all stack and pack over there in Twin Creeks? It's a very nice community, but he just wanted to put in regular house, make the maximum profit. How dare you try to maximize your profit? So normally in a size like that, you would have 10 acres of parkland. They kind of forced him to put in 43 acres of parkland and some small businesses and affordable housing. So, you know, he they drive down the profit margin, which reduces the amount of investment people are going to do to build more housing. So they just try to put their thumb on the scale. And she it was she sounded very nice, but you could tell it was that same thread working with the state.

And I think it's – I'm a little more – it's not Conspiracy Theory Thursday, but I think when they put in more of the so-called affordable housing, that's just putting in more voters that are dependent on the state. I would agree with you wholeheartedly, and that's why I've had a concern with all of this focus on so-called affordable housing. Not saying that everyone's that way, but it's like you are importing government dependence is what you're going to do. And so there will be a certain view of this because, well, my housing is affordable because of the state, right? And so this is the Democrats controlling Oregon forever and ever, amen, kind of plan, slow through the back door, so to speak. Now, did you want to talk more about this on Monday? Was there more to this, or did you pretty much explain it all at this point?

I'll look through my notes if I can find anything that's more important, but it kind of reminds me of that building project, the so-called affordable housing. It's about one block east of the police department over there in Medford. They built this really nice establishment there, not one single off-street parking space. So now all the other neighborhood people have to deal with the parking, the businesses, the churches, Everyone's clogged in there. They're just they're just they're making things so hard to do. I'll give you a quick example and then I'll run. My dad built his first 10 unit apartment building down in Los Angeles back in, I think, 1960.

He had to have one off street parking space for every unit. Then they made it. You had to have every you had one off street parking space for every unit. Then they made it, you had to have every, you had one off-street parking space for every bedroom, but now they're going in the opposite direction. So you can see the trend. You can see what's in their head. And so I'm sure that the uh the transit the integrated transit that they're talking about will just whisk us from uh from door to door very quickly right and at a reasonable cost correct when when we want to and not when they wish to deliver us exactly they're going to have more bonds of course to finance all of that infrastructure. It's going to be so lovely. And electric, heavy electric vehicles that burn every once in a while. Okay, well, that's all right.

That's the price of progress. All right. Hey, thanks for sharing this. And like I said, very nice people who have everything. They have it all figured out, and they're giving it to everybody good and hard. But yet, I'm not even blaming the local planners here because they are under essentially taken over by statute because of state land use planning and you know what she even mentioned that she said yes integrating with what

the state requires but you're not not in a critical way but just you know it's all together see as long as you have total control of control of land through centralized state land use planning, this is what you will get in Oregon. And that's why Senate Bill 100, you have to strike at the root. And I don't even know if they could get rid of it at this point in time, but a fellow can dream. Thanks for the call, Todd.