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Episode Date: January 13, 2026

State Rep. Dwayne Yunker talks about the legislative days, upcoming session, Gov. Kotek wants the ODOT tax package canceled! Geologist Gregory Wrightstone, author of A CONVENIENT WARMING - Pres. Trump withdraws from climate groups, what does it mean?

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I don't know if Dwayne is still a market. if he's heading up to Portland or not Salem. I rather is when I meant Salem. But Dwayne, it's great to have you back on. You're still in town, you're getting ready to take off and do another day job thing? What's the status right now? No, I'm already up north. I came up yesterday.

I have some meetings yesterday. I have some meetings today. So, I'm already working. Now, it is legislative days. What does that mean? Because is this the warm up then for the state legislative session, the short ones? reportedly, that's what it's supposed to be next month? Yeah, no, we have, well, it will be a little bit.

We have less than days once a quarter, three days, basically discussion. We bring either issues in or agencies in and discuss things that are happening or maybe possibility of things that maybe we need to change in the next session. So that will be happening throughout this whole week. A lot of talking about, obviously, funding. kind of the overall thing the thing we're going to be talking about because between ODOD and, you know, the change and the tax codes and stuff like that, Oregon is overplayed their hand. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about this because the governor, Governor Kotech, the other day ended up coming out and saying that she is now in favor of the state legislature repealing the ODOT package. and this is the one that she went to the mat for and was twisting the arms and getting everybody all lined up for.

Isn't that right? Yeah, you know, it's just back up a little bit from last summer, you know. The governor put all this fear out there and know we're not going to have enough money to pass September or October going to have to lay off. You know, so many of the ODOP people, we haven't laid them off yet. They're still working. And then she, you know, we had over thousands and thousands of people that testified said they did not. want to pass this tax. We need to remind people that. And then she went to the last and signed the bill. And then we had a referendum. And, you know, thousands and thousands of

people showed up, you know, of all political views, saying they don't want to pay more taxes. And we stopped it from taking law. And now all of a sudden, the governor wants to repeal it. But the repeal only is going to benefit her and the Democrats because now, They are looking at that Oregonians are not happy with their decisions. So we'll see what happens here. Obviously, they have the numbers. It's, you know, 37 Democrats in the House and 23 Republicans. So is that enough votes then to repeal then?

They only need 31 votes. Oh, they only need 31 and they have 37. Oh. Yep, they have a simple majority. Okay, simple majority to remove it, but they needed a super majority to pass it, isn't that right? Yeah, to pass the tax, it's 36 votes and to repeal it or just a simple majority. Okay. Now, when it comes to political strategy, I guess the next question, and I don't know what the Republican caucus is thinking,

showing up and giving quorum and having a short legislative session, which is just supposed to touch up budgets in the first place there, there's only one person or one person or one group that really gets an advantage out of getting this repealed. And that would be the Democrats because they don't want to run for election this fall and having this big ODOT tax package there up for voter choices. So is there any discussion within the caucuses to deny quorum and say, okay, hey, you know, there's a number of things we want. and let's say we want to get rid of the, let's say, transgender surgeries or come up with something else about that. You know, if you really want this ODOT tax to go away, then you're going to have to get the Republican something.

Any thoughts on that? I don't know if you can speak to this or not, State Rep. Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to talk about our trade secrets going on right now. Obviously, we're having talks. It would be foolish for me to play my hand out on the radio right this minute, but we're definitely having talks about what is our strategy. We want to support the taxpayers, the citizens of Oregon that vote, said we want to vote on this. And that would be right now, as I think that's our goal, is to give it to the voters. I think that's who need to vote on this.

Yeah, because the taxes that would have come into play, as long as that that ballot measure is coming, it's held off. The tax is not going to be occurring, isn't that right? So no tax has been collected for that. Yeah, that's correct. It was stopped. It was supposed to take effect. January 1st, and it could not go into effect because of the referendum that we had, you know, was it 250,000 signatures.

I mean, I just praise people for showing up. And again, we were showing up as Oregonians. Very rarely we all agree on something, and I think a lot of us agreed on something, you know, from all different Democrats. I mean, I had Democrats to come talk to me about it and said, thank you for bringing this up and independence and navs. And it's one of the few times we all agree that we don't need more taxes. We need to look at our spending and prioritize right.

Yeah, and spend it more wisely. Well, to your point, though, I was at a signature sign-up place, and there was a guy who walked up there. A guy walked up to him and says, because the guy was, the man who was taking signatures, you know, was wearing a MAGA hat over in Medford, right? Yeah. And this fellow walks up to him and says,

I don't agree with you, and he's pointing to the MAGA hat, right, is he's doing, but I agree with this. and he's signing that up. And I think that's what a lot of people don't realize. This was not a Republican initiative. This was a people, truly a people's initiative here. Yeah, I mean, there was Republicans that, you know, I have a group caucus. Well, I have a Freedom Foundation, and Ed Dills in charge of that, and he was the one,

and Senator Stark and Jason Williams from tax, I think that I was a tax organ or taxpayer organ or whatever. And then there were the three, and then the many, many volunteers, you know, I mean, give it to the people that went out there. They didn't get paid, and they spent their weekends and time collecting signatures. And I would agree. It wasn't about MAGA or Trump. It was about what the people wanted. And I think people were screaming, I don't want to pay more taxes.

And I'm not lying when I had people in grants passed because I would show up to thank the people they were collecting signatures. And they would say, and I'd have Democrats walk over. I know that our Democrats are, you know, not Republicans and say, thank you for. doing this, I don't think we need to pay more taxes. Yeah. And that was it. It's not that, yeah, it was mostly Republicans perhaps driving the initiative process, so to speak, and volunteering for this. But this is one of those 80, 20 kind of deals in which 80% of the people are really in support of it more so than others. And I think that the governor and the Democratic Party folks understand that. And boy, they don't want to have

to run against this. But as long as the taxes are already on hold until it gets decided, and why not just to keep it on hold until it gets decided later this year? Is that what you prefer to do if we had a chance? I would prefer to do is what the people wanted. I'm always against no taxing. I mean, I put out my videos talking about we have money. We are so bloated. We spend way more money than any other state that's the same size and population.

So it's not about how much money revenue we're bringing in. It's a spending problem. It's a priority problem. And the governor knows that it's her priorities. You know, people need to understand. Republicans have, we don't own anything. We don't have any levers other than just showing up there. They have, you know, they're the governor.

They're the House, they're the Senate. They're running the state of Oregon. We're not running the state of Oregon. Republicans are not. You know, we're kind of like the opposition. They're trying to get sanity. Well, yeah, it's a math problem. We're talking numbers.

It's all it is. It's a math problem. And, you know, I've tried to put out information. A lot of other Republicans myself have, you know, said it. This is a math problem. It's a priority. And more spending is not solving our problems. It's not hard to look at it.

You know, I've tried to find some goodness happening in Oregon. It's really extremely hard coming out of our government. And so it's not a spending problem. It is just leadership and their priorities. that is hurting Oregon. That's why they have business problems. You know, I haven't seen any city or county or anything that gets a million dollars or two million dollars that solves their problem. That's not solving their problem. It's a policy problem. Policy is driving businesses out of here. Policy is, you know, getting people to get in their view hall and move

out of state of Oregon. It's policy. It's not going to, you can't buy your way out of making Oregon better. Yeah. State Representative Dwayne Yunker with me this morning. We're talking about these upcoming legislative days, and of course, the call is to repeal the tax increase, the ODOT Transportation Package tax increase. And the point being, though, is that people want to be able to vote on this. And Republicans, I'm sorry, Democrats don't want us voting on this. I guess one of our challenges here, Dwayne, is that, you know, everybody is going to be, you know, under the election pressure this year. Of course, you know, you're going to be doing, dealing stuff with this too.

Isn't the challenge for Republicans is that many get worried about bringing home money to the district. And, of course, we talked the other day about this whole deal about how the Daily Courier put out that hit piece on you and Noel Robinson the other day. At least I thought it was a hit piece because of this, oh, look at these people. They're bringing up their concerns and then they don't get any money, you know, I think is what, is what they were complaining about. And you made it clear that you're not going to sell your vote, but are the Republican votes for sale, I guess? Is that the world we live in right now?

Oh, yeah, I can't control all 23 of my caucus members, and I would say that most of them are not. There's some that, you know, I'm not going to say all their names, and people can figure them out. They're very transactional, you know what I'm saying? It's all about transactions and bringing things in. I'm more about my belief system. The system is broken.

The system does not solve the problems we have. Like I just didn't mention ago, a million dollars is not solving our policy problems. But it's almost as if you're not part of the Uniparty tribe, then you're not getting any money for the district, right? Is that kind of what goes on the way it works? Yeah, I mean, in that newspaper article, again, you know, I talked to, you know, Greg Limhouse the other day, and he's probably going to get up to that his name up. And we agree. He said that the Daily Courier took a lot of those words out of context.

You know, you are a solid voter out there, conservative voting for your constituents. It's not about making deals. And I'm not arguing with the Democrats there. I mean, people are going to understand if you don't understand what happens in the Capitol. It is a play. You know what I'm saying? You have to play part of this game. you, things are very theatrical, you know what I'm saying?

Voting for theater, in other words, to a certain extent, right? That's the way this works. You grandstand for your side, and this is Democrats and Republicans, too, in effect. Yes. You know, we all talk with each other. We all, you know, I mean, I went to Vietnam with some stuff that we want, and I'll hang out with Democrats. I mean, I don't hate these people.

You know, that's not what it is. We all, for the most part, get along. That's not what you see in the newspaper or whatever is not truth. You know what I'm saying? We don't like each other's policies. We don't hate each other. I don't hate anybody up there. I don't like their policies.

And my goal is to bring truth to the policies that they're putting on us that are not working. But truth is not very popular sometimes with. the group, is it? No, it's not very popular. They don't like my bringing out their, you know, their bad decisions. I mean, and just look at this, we had several representatives

that are now in Congress. You know, Maxine, Dexter, Biden, and they're on the other side where Republicans are like in Oregon and look at them, they're screwed because they can't get nothing done. But welcome to Republicans in Oregon, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. They can't get anything. because they don't have the power. So when you're not in the majority, your hands are tied unless you're going to make some really horrible deals. And I'm not willing to make those horrible deals because I've seen, you know, I've lived here 43 years in Oregon, and I've seen what these policies are doing to our economy, to our schools, to our health care system.

And it's not a secret. You can just pick up a paper and find an article and it talks about all the bad things that are happening. Well, and the whole thing about bringing Grantstream funding home to the districts gets, is fraught with peril here. And I even look at GrantStream funding available from, oddly enough, ODOT, that ended up leading to a bunch of garbage being done to Medford's downtown Main Street. That now we're still sitting around here talking about how we're going to reverse the damage. You know, the road diets and the bike lanes and the bollards and the buffered bike lanes and screwing with the parking, you know, all that kind of stuff. there's always a string for the money coming back, isn't there? State rep? Younger?

Yeah, I mean, we're in southern Oregon. We all want us to ride bicycles and ride buses around, and we have a very rural community outside the city of Medford or the city of Central Point or Ashland or Grants Pass. I mean, you're not going to ride a bus from Williams to get to work. It doesn't work that way, you know? Yeah. Our people like to be ruled. They like to be left alone. They're not going to ride their bikes. in the winter, you know, to do these things, but coming from Portland, that's their agenda. You know, and Grants Pass last year we had a bus burned down, electric bus. You know, they're not working. These agendas, we're not having windmills and grants pass and solar systems that are really

provided enough of anything for our energy in the state, which costs energy. All these are just continuously bad policy after bad policy. And somebody has to stand up and say it's bad policy, and you've been doing a good job at doing this. So now let's take it to legislative days and then this upcoming session here. It's only going to be, what, 30 days? 30 days max it's supposed to be? What are the rules for this? 35 days.

Yeah. And so one of the things on the agenda would be to repeal that tax. I'm hoping there's some way to make this not happen right now. think the people need to weigh in on this. And frankly, I think the party that pushed this, that pushed this tax so hard should have to answer for it, don't you think, here? They should have to own. And they didn't listen. They didn't listen, Bill. I mean, the overwhelming majority of voters, you know, I think it was like 5,000 people put in, you know, thing that said they did not want them to pass this. And they didn't listen. So they should,

should have to pay the price for their bad vote. And it only passed on party lines. So they should have to pay the consequences of bad policy. I'm just hoping that Oregonians can wake up. Just wake up and see it's not a Republican, a Democrat. This is just bad policy. Super bad policy. You keep taxing us more.

To double our vehicle registration. I mean, people are just hurting. again, they're hurting. So I'm hoping that as Republicans, we could stay strong in my caucus in the House and hope the Senate can do the same thing. I really hope that we're going to, you know, do what the Oregonians want us to do for them. Is there any other issue that's going to be in this upcoming session other than repealing that tax package there? At least that's the governor's agenda to get rid of that. Yeah, education is really screaming. You know, they passed

rules about or a law about getting unemployment benefits for during the summer. I mean, the schools are just being hammered. Whether you think about the schools or not. But when they they're just don't think about the consequences

of what these laws do. So, you know, the school gets a budget. But they pass a bill and you have to pay for unemployment tax. Well, that just took all the money out of their budget, you know, that they have, which they're, you know, whether you agree or not agree, but now they have to pay more. And that's even less for the classroom, right, for what's going on in the classroom.

Exactly. You're taking more and then you're not performing. It's just they don't think, Bill, like, it's nice. We should pay for them to protest, you know? Look, employees or all this stuff. And like, they're only listening to their unions. It really is. Speaking of the unions, what I'm kind of wondering about is there, is there, any, is there any real conversation about taking care of health care? When I'm talking about the health care, I'm speaking of the Medicare issue, the Oregon Health Plan with those, you know how the federal subsidies ended up going away at the end of the year? Is there any talk about taking care of that from the state version in some way or another? Just curious, if you can

let us know. Yeah, I'm not in that committee anymore, but I would say there's a lot of talk about Medicaid benefits being looked at in order because we have like the most Cadillac plan there is for Medicaid for people. I mean, you get like 30 massages in a month. You know, it's just crazy. Wow. I can't get 30 massages a month in my own health plan right now. I'd like that, though. Boy, look at it. You know, why are we taking care of the people that you think it's the minimum plan? You know what I'm saying? Not the Cadillac plan. Hey, hey, I want a two-drink minimum, too, right? Yeah.

Just having fun with you. Sorry. I mean, the Trump administration's brought a lot of things up that just, you know, Oregon was taking advantage of, and it's just horrible. Why do we have so many people on Medicaid? Well, because it's the golden plan. Because we made it really easy from the sounds of us, so I guess there'll be talk about that coming up. And speaking of the Trump and the controversy here over the weekend, and what is your overall take? are the Republicans getting a good message out there about the ICE activities?

Because there are a lot of protests here in Southern Oregon over the weekend. And I just wish that they'd all been holding up signs saying that we don't want any immigration enforcement. And they would have been honest. Okay, we can have that conversation, I suppose. But they're trying to make it personal about ICE agents in general. What are you thinking? Yeah, I know Republicans had a press release yesterday. I wasn't at it.

It was too early in the morning in my travels at the Capitol. They put out a message, you know, especially these elected officials that are putting out false. When they know that what their narrative they're putting out is false, they knew these were gang members. They knew what they were accused of. So, you know, for the Republicans, would just be honest that these were gang members from a different country that did bad things. They weren't some just, you know, Oregonian, ice was, you know. Oh, they're always just, they talk about them as Oregonians and, oh, they're just two people. Two people, I read them being described in news accounts as two people were stopped by ICE agents.

It's like, no, it's a little more, there's a little more to it than just two people, okay? Yeah, the Oregonians sent me two emails, one in the morning and one the night, and there were two people from Portland or Oregon. You know what I'm saying? Like, two people, like, no, these were illegal. gang members from another country, you know, proffin and probably drugs and everything else. And if Portland police had arrested those two for the various crimes, no one would have said a word. I think it's only because it was ice, don't you? It looks that way. Yeah. You know, the most craziest thing I heard this weekend was Congressman Maxine Dexter's speaking at a vigil for these two people

and talking about her privileges of whiteness of our skin and the language we speak. What gibberish is she talking about? You know, like, it's flowers for the gang members that were shot, and I'm leaking. Who had also accused of shooting other people. It's just astounding. It's just, oh, man. And you're talking about prostitution. This is human.

trafficking of people, sex trafficking. What about those women that you say you champion? And you're talking about prostitution, human trafficking, and probably forced in the human, this sexual, you know, whatever. They don't want to talk about the human trafficking part of illegal immigration. It's so bad. It's the children and all the sort of things. Well, these are the same sort of people. You see these, liberal, mostly women overseas in Europe, in the European countries holding up signs, welcome migrants, you know, and then they're wondering, why is, you know, why are we having crime and raping, you know, going on here, you know, later? But you're a bigot if you notice that there's

crime and raping going on from certain groups, I guess. Yeah. You know what, this is, all this can be avoided, if two things. One, you don't put yourself in a situation that gets law enforcement to have. have to react to your bad behavior. You shouldn't have been in the first place. Secondly, we shouldn't follow the law and not allow people to come here illegally and come through the legal system. And if that needs to be fixed, Congress fixed it. All right. State Representative Dwayne Yonker, I really appreciate your take this morning. I know you're going and get back to your meetings here in just a moment, but stay in touch over this upcoming special session, okay? You're

always welcome. Oh, I thank you, Bill. And by the way, it's It's a short session, not a special session. Special session is something definitely called, but we'll be staying in touch with State Representative Dwayne Yunker. 734, you're on KMED. If you farm and ranch, there's always an off-season to-do list. Two dogs fabricating can check some of those boxes so you're ready for spring. Two-dogs expertly repairs busted equipment,

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interesting what happened just a few days ago. The Trump administration issued an executive order, I should say, president actually issued the order, I should say, and is withdrawing from dozens of international organizations, including international climate negotiations, also pulling out of the United Nations Population Agency, and, of course, the UN Treaty, establishing international climate negotiations. And this whole, globalist cooperation thing apparently appears to be on life support right now. Joining me right now to discuss it further, Gregory Reitstone. Gregory Wrightstone is a geologist and the executive director of the CO2 coalition in Arlington, Virginia.

We've talked with him many times over the years. He's a best-selling author of a very convenient warming, how modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity. Gregory, it's great to have you back on. Morning, sir. Yeah, boy, I'm not tired of winning yet. I don't think I'm going to be, but there's a lot of winning going on coming out of that Trump administration, especially what you just talked about, pulling us out of 66 globalist organizations and treaties. And something else we need to talk about is, I think it was just yesterday that, or Friday, that he's, the EPA and Lee Zeldon announced that they're going to go forward with repealing the endangerment finding, which is the finding and the, the base. for all of this attacks on CO2 and fossil fuels. Now the endangerment finding, this is the one which claimed that CO2 production essentially

was a threat to life, right? A pollutant. Yeah, they determined it was just like carbon monoxide or sulfur dioxide. True pollutants, they determined this endangerment finding determined that CO2 was in fact a pollutant. because of that, they could regulate it. Boy, have they. They've gone to town. All of these administrations, alphabet soup of administration's, Department of Energy,

Environmental Protection Agency, Transportation. They used all these to bring in each your listeners' freedoms one by one. And so your listeners, because of this endangerment finding, and the other things they're bailing us out of, systematically at preventing your listeners from having the freedom to choose, to choose what kind of ceiling fan to buy. You don't have the choice anymore to buy an incandescent light bulb. They're telling you what washing machine and dishwasher to buy.

That's right. And you have to buy a dishwasher now, which takes three or four hours to do what an earlier dishwasher was able to do in maybe 90 minutes, right? That kind of thing. Exactly. And that was the Department of Energy that did that. They know what's best for you, so we're going to impose this one-size-fits-all strategy.

And they declared the dishwashers you're able to buy today, according to the government and Department of Energy, these are highly efficient dishwasher. So my wife would dispute that, Bill. Instead of a dishwasher that takes two and a half to four hours to run a cycle, her definition would be a dishwasher that gets the job done, the dish is clean, the dishes dried in 45 minutes or less. That's what she would call an efficient dishwasher, not one that's a lot more expensive and takes hours to run. But of course, what the federal government would then say is that, well, you have to use only a cup of water. I don't know if it's a cup of water, but it was some

infinitesimally small amount of water as contrasted with old machines. That same kind of endangerment doctrine that was brought up. It's all part of the same thing. It is. And again, I called it a one-size-fits-all strategy. And so because Los Angeles and Phoenix and Las Vegas have a water problem, they don't have enough water. Well, they put this one-size-fits-all edict. You must use less water all over the United States. Even here where I'm calling you from Florida,

we have the highest precipitation of any state in the United States. And we have to honor this because Los Angeles needs water. Now, I can understand Los Angeles wanting to nip Ben in the butt because they do, or but rather, because they do have a water problem. They really do. But, of course, that's also called, you know, well, we're going to not build any more reservoirs. We're not going to help increase the storage, et cetera, et cetera. But we can't fight that. So instead we say you have to buy a much more expensive, less effective dishwasher.

But you know, there's all sorts of rules like that in our world, Gregory. One comes to mind how a number of years ago, They ended up changing the formulation for dishwashing detergent, and they took the phosphates out of it. And so they end up putting the ECO name on it, ECO-this-Equal formula. I've started figuring out that eco-formula means doesn't work, and you end up finding out that your dishwasher just leaves all sorts of greasy goop-caped on it, and it's because they took the phosphates out. Now, they're continuing to work on this. ironically though the commercial restaurants had to have clean dishes so they're still able to buy commercial dishwashing detergent with phosphates in it so I guess the you know the

you just can't have clean dishes at home I guess is the rule is what we get out of the federal government isn't that weird how that works another exactly another example is your refrigerants that you're going to now be you're allowed to use now those are inexpensive and they they're not flammable. They're now the patent for the chemical companies has run out. And of course, that means anybody, lots of companies are getting in, offering the same refrigerants. And now the United States government stepped in under Biden and say, no, no, no, no,

we can't use those anymore. We have this new patent. It's a lot better. And it has slightly less warming potential from greenhouse gas, but it's flammable. And now there's taking a really safe refrigerant and replace it with some. it's dangerous. Oh, great. So you get a refrigerant leak and you can set your house on fire. That's lovely. Thank you, Greg. Thanks. Oh, my goodness. They just, you know, they've all these unintended consequences. And it really comes down to infringing on your listeners' freedoms and costing

them just a lot more money. But Trump's doing something about this. Like I said, he pulled us out last week of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and also pulled us out of the Green Climate Fund, the UNGCF, where we were to be paying billions and billions of dollars from the developed nations like the United States and handing it over to undeveloped nations like supposedly India, Bangladesh, island nations. So it's a huge transfer of wealth, and it's intentional. Transfer wealth from the developed countries, Germany, France, UK, United States, over to the to the undeveloper developing world.

So essentially, the environmental agenda is about transferring wealth in, in a communistic fashion, from wealthier nations to poorer nations. That's what this was really all about in the first place. Absolutely, absolutely. And I can't blame these nations. There's a great picture of the president of the Maldives standing hip-deep along the beach and water with his hands out. He sees that because he's expecting, again, billions of dollars.

to flow into his nation because it's going to be underwater soon. I've talked with you about this before. Yeah, but I look at that as a real estate problem, not a climate problem, because the oceans have been much higher than they are right now. They've been much lower in the past than they are right now here, Greg, haven't they? They have, and actually the Maldives have gained, sea level is rising at a pace of about seven inches per century, which is not that great. And actually the dirty little secret is those Maldives that are threatened, they say, 15,000 years ago, those islands were also just above sea level.

And in the last 15,000 years, Bill, sea level has risen 400 feet. You have to ask yourself, why are those islands not under 400 feet of water? And it's a geologic process known as accretion that these islands actually grow along with sea level rise. storms wash the sands and gravels from the near shore area, up onto the island, and then winds distributed, critters move the sands and raffles around. I didn't know that. I heard you talk about accretion, but I didn't really understand what accretion meant. I should have asked you more deeply at that time.

That's what accretion does. So the islands continue to grow over time. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see things like parrotfish that eat the corals. A lot of these islands are ringed by coral reefs. and that coral gets busted up in hurricanes. Parachfish also actually eat the coral, and it goes in one end and out the other.

And that's part of the creation of the sands and gravels around these islands. And again, you've been to the beach and you're sitting, you can often feel that dust or sand being blown into your face. And that's what happens. It's a slow process. But geology is a slow process. And it takes thousands of years that these islands, again, are not under 400 feet of water. because they continue to grow. Now, tell people about a very convenient warming.

This is your latest book about this, and you're making the case, then, we should not be fearing the fact that the earth is warming somewhat. And why is that? Absolutely. In my first book, Inconvenient Facts, I looked and proved pretty conclusively there is no climate crisis. But here in a very convenient warming,

just search for convenient warming, those two words. I look and find it by almost every metric we look at. Earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from modest warming and more CO2. And we can look back through history. History tells us that we should welcome the warmth and fear the cold, because cold historically, since the rise of the first great civilizations, cold has been horrifically bad for humanity. The human condition suffers terribly during the cold periods and thrives during the warmer periods. And food is always abundant during the warm period, just like it is today. Crop production increasing is increasing, is outpacing population growth. So I call this the greatest untold story of the 21st century,

that of an earth that's thriving and prospering and benefiting of the human condition. We should celebrate CO2, not demonize it. Yeah, that's really a smack in the face then for the doomsayers, I suppose. Now, that does mean, though, that if we truly are in a warming period, you have to make some adjustments sometime. Like I'll give an example here, Greg. Now, this is just weather of recent. This has been a relatively warm and relatively dry winter that we've been having here in southern Oregon so much, you know, or so far.

We don't have a lot of skiing going on because we're not getting a lot of snow, you know, those sort of things. And then the complaint is, well, gosh, you know, if we don't get all of this snow, we're not going to have summer irrigation water. We're not going to have that. But what that is is a policy choice that the state of Oregon has chosen to make, that we don't build reservoirs and we knock out dams out of rivers, right? Is that really part of it? And you have to start reconsidering such matters and such issues? And again, that's unusual where you are in the northwest, because if you look just south of you, into California and Southern California, they've had zero drought occurring right now, zero.

And that's not that long ago. They were complaining about a never-ending drought in California. Well, that's been completely wiped out because it has been so wet and lots of moisture down there. So these are regional situations that change. But, yeah, your government there could certainly build more reservoirs. It's not like you're lacking areas to do that with valleys. Yeah, I've always thought that, yeah, I've always thought that this whole idea that we always pray for snow in the winter. And then if we don't have snow, the water just goes down the river.

Okay, well, too bad. So sad. We're just in the drought in the summertime. It was always kind of nonsense. But that is sort of an official state policy. You know, we're not going to do this because, well, for whatever reason. I guess it's better to let the fish die on the muddy riverbed than to have a dam that may hold. back water to be released in the summer.

You're kind of weird the way we think out here. You've been out here in Oregon several times. You know how we think. And Bill, I'll be coming out again here in a few months. I'm speaking at, I think it's Southern Oregon University. The dates and everything will be to be to be arranged. I'd like to set up some other presentations and talks when I'm in the area. Maybe we can talk offline about that.

Yeah, well, I'll tell you, we'll talk offline about that. But I'll also like to get you in person in studio, so people can see you like I've seen it. Okay. And we'll get you in here. We'll make that happen. And you can find out more about a very convenient warming, how modest warming and more CO2 are actually benefiting humanity.

And I'll tell you what, I'll believe that CO2 is a pollutant here, Greg, when the dope growers of Oregon that have greenhouses stop piping CO2 into their greenhouses. Okay? When they stop doing that, maybe they have a case, okay? Yeah. Greg, I always appreciate that. Thanks for joining us from the CO2 Coalition. What's the best website for you on the book and everything else? Go ahead. CO2coollution.org. And if you're looking for the book, just search for two words. Convenient warming. Convenient warming. It's a wonderful read. It'll open your eyes. It will open your eyes and learn the truth that the climate industrial complex is telling lies to you every single day. Convenient warming. There we go. Greg, thanks so much. Thank you. Thanks having been on. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Hopefully see you sooner.

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