Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 01-13-26_TUESDAY_6AM

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

The news headlines...they want to do an Economic Improvement Zone, how about lay off hassling downtown drivers? Later I talk with author Jack Cashill...says the push is to do a Traveon job on Mrs. Good in Minneapolis.

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Welcome to Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Do you have a pebble? Let me know, 770-5633-770-3-770K-M.E.D. My email is Bill at Billmyers Show.com.

Getting back into the swing of things this Tuesday morning, January 13th, 2026. Jack Cashel is going to join me. Excellent guy. Of course, the left calls him a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theorist, I tend to just call him a really good author, and he has a great substack and great books. The last one he wrote was the one about Ashley Babin. He has a new one about the history of media lies over the last 35 years. So there's plenty of fodder.

We're going to talk about the, and his observation, because he did a lot of covering of the Trayvon Martin situation back in the day, that trial, with George Zimmerman. Remember how George Zimmerman was essentially vilified and, you know, people were trying to kill him? There was all sorts of violence that was put out about him. He's saying that the woman in Minnesota, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the shooting from last week, they're trying to Trayvon her. Absolutely innocent and you're continuing to see this conversation about, well, we have a Minnesota mom, just like in Portland, Oregon last week, we had, you know, a Portland man and woman, a Portland man and woman rather than the Portland gangbanger, gangbanger, and someone involved in the prostitution rig that was with him. They were trying to actually at some point talk about them being husband and wife.

Oh, it's a husband and wife. husband and wife being attacked by by eyes for no reason whatsoever. By the way, up on my Facebook page yesterday, I ended up putting a picture of the car, the car in question that was smashed up, was all smashed up then by the gentle soul, the gentleman, by the way, who was charged yesterday in court. Yes, the Trend de Aragua, that guy. That's the part that has not been mentioned all that much. But anyway, we can discuss that and a whole bunch more.

7705633-770 KMED. Now, I was watching K-O-B-I-5 news yesterday, and they were talking about this plan to help out downtown Medford, and they're on the verge of forming an economic improvement zone of some sort. And this is something that the downtown Medford Association was pushing, and they're trying to get more economic activity, more shoppers visiting downtown. And they're pretty close to it. And I guess what would happen is that if they get this approved, the city moves forward with it.

They would charge a small fee per year per square foot of your business, of your business area down there. And then all the people within this area. And by the way, it would be in that downtown core, that downtown core. and this would help bring more people downtown. The question I'm going to raise to you is, would the downtown Medford Association be better served having the city of Medford turn off their speed cameras? This is a serious question.

I'm not just having fun with you and screwing around. As the downtown merchants are getting ready to tax themselves, to feed themselves, to try to persuade more people to go into downtown Medford, would turning off the speed cameras be better or a better use of the money? And I bring this up because, well, my boss, my boss was just talking to me when it came in this morning.

He says, here it was, you know, just a few days ago. You know, he just got the notice in the mail. 8.30 at night was going through downtown Medford to get back to his apartment, trying to get around someone who was kind of blocking him. I'm kind of paraphrasing the phrase that, he was, or, you know, the situation he was dealing with. Wasn't any other traffic on there.

Almost nobody there. And he gets a $165 fine. He gets that in the mail, $165, 10 miles over, and $165. Boom, there we go. And I have heard stories like this again and again and again and again and again. And I think that, you know, the city of Medford is working so hard trying to find some way to tie a pork chop around the neck of downtown Medford. When really what's happening is that the speed cameras and the license plate cameras and the pushing away of parking and the road dieting of downtown Medford, people tell me they don't want to go downtown any longer. Now, I don't hear the same kind of situation about Grants Pass.

Grants Pass has wide streets, wide sidewalks too, and maybe they're just blessed with it. It's just the way the streets were designed back at that time. And so it's a little more pedestrian-friendly, just naturally. But the city of Medford is like hell bent on making people not want to go downtown. But at the same time, the Downtown Merchants Association, the DMA, is wanting to fee itself to create an economic improvement. zone. Well, I think what would improve the zone greatly would be just to stop hassling drivers and motorists who come into downtown Medford. That's my proposal. I might just want to complain. I want to propose a solution because it's okay for us to actually ask our city council

to get rid of the speed cameras, isn't it? We can do that, can't we? We already have people who are complaining about the flock license plate cameras. And I know people will say, well, the law says that, you know, you're only supposed to go 20 miles per hour. Well, make it 25 again like it once was. I know that it is qualified for that downtown 20 mile per hour zone. But the fact of the matter is, if you want to attract people down there, you have to make it inviting that people want to come in and go. and you get rid of the parking or you make people go over to the parking prison or you end up giving them that nonsense road diet, which from what I understand, the Medford City Council is supposed to be deciding on again here shortly whether or not they're going to follow the will of the people or continue to do what they will, which is having some form of a road diet and a buffer bike lane so that they don't have to pay back the stupid grant they never should have taken in the first place. you know, but isn't that the simplest thing to do?

I mean, just do the simple stuff first. Quit being punitive to people who visit downtown Metford because I would argue that we are right now. You know, that's what the city does. That's what I'm thinking this morning on pebble in my shoe Tuesday. What's the pebble in your shoe? 7705-633-77. Okay, M-A-D. Let me head to first line here.

I have no idea. I'm just live without a net on Tuesday morning. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Welcome, Bill. It's deplorable Patrick. Good morning. Welcome back, D.P. It's on your mind. Hey, I'm beating Francine to the punch here today. I want a little ribbon for that.

Okay. Let's see. Where is your radio ribbon? Well, the only thing I do have is a real American salute. So there we go. I'll take it. That's all I can do. That's all I can do. That's plenty. That's plenty. The pebble in my shoe is these liberals. they're complaining in Minnesota, you ICE agents are invading us and you're bigger than our small police force. So? Guess what?

They made it necessary to invade them with our larger force of ICE agents. They made it necessary. If there wasn't all this illegal opposition, it wouldn't be necessary. You know, that's a very interesting point about that, Patrick, because the reason they're there is because Minnesota has made it clear that we're not going to help ICE, which makes, of course, them a sanctuary just like Portland, just like the state of Oregon. We're a magnet. They know for the most part that local officials will never do anything about this. So naturally, you're going to go to the places where they figure it's going to be happier hunting to put a hunting metaphor on that. Okay?

There we go. Bill, when these people down in the south were trying to stop these little black children from going to white schools, we invaded them and made them obey the law. The legal defense that Minnesota uses can't be, well, we're being invaded by ICE. That's not a defense. And I'll tell you something. Well, there's no evidence that there is stopping law. local police from doing their job. They're just doing the job that their local police won't do.

Yeah, what they're characterizing, if I understand it correctly, is that they're trying to create an opposition between the local police and the ice agents. Uh-huh. But I can tell you for a fact, if I robbed a bank and then I came home with all that money and the cops showed up, they would invade, they would invade my place. Is that, does anybody get it? Yep, I sure do. Thank you for the call, Patrick. 770-5633. It's pebble in your shoe Tuesday.

Let me go to the next one. Hello. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Yeah, Bill. Chris. Hey, Chris. What's going on? Yeah, good morning. Hey, you know, I have to still disagree with you on this for Ney good stuff. Why's that? I am conservative. You know, we live around all the homeless and the mentally ill in town, you know, and that shooting was a I'm with ice going in there and doing what they need to do, but he's got a gun. She doesn't.

She may be mentally ill. That whole thing was obnoxious. Okay. Well, I disagree with you. Yeah, he has a gun. She had a car. He didn't get hit, and he didn't get hurt, and he had his cell phone out, and he could have, they could have, those other options. Shoot a wheel out, put a tax strip down.

Have you ever tried to shoot a wheel out? is a stupidest thing I've heard you say, Chris. Are you serious? Yes, I am. Okay. Well, anyway, they're not taught to shoot tires out. They're taught that if they're going to have to take somebody because they feel the threat of their life, you stop the threat. It's the driver driving the car.

They could have stopped it with a vehicle or a strip. Then anyway, I see have something. Okay. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. I can't just let you just skate on by by. this thing. Okay, so in other words, put a spike strip in front of someone who was blocking the suit here.

They were trying to move. They told her to get out of her car. And so they should have thrown a spike strip in front of her as she's getting ready to gun the vehicle and ended up striking the ICE officer at that time. Okay, well, I listen to the news all day. And from Hannity to Bill Cunningham to you, to all of them, Joe Pegg. They all want to follow the money. They all want to say the same. No, I'm not following money. I watched the stupid videos, didn't you? Yeah. I thought of the obnoxious. The cop didn't need that ICE agent didn't need to be in front of the car with his hand on a camera. Okay. Now, the point is now, I will give you, I will concede that point. Some of the stupidest training that I've seen is going on with some of those ICE members, because any good, any good.

cop knows that you don't stand in front of a vehicle, but needless to say, that doesn't assuage her of her guilt, of her stupidity and her on, and by the way, she's smiling and her and her wife is going, drive, baby, drive, you know, egging her on out there. She's been arrested, but not shot in the head. That's all I got to say. That's just over the top. Okay. All right.

Well, I'll disagree with you on that one, but I appreciate the call, Chris, but, man, I don't get that one. I really don't. And I'm not one that's sitting around there kissing the butt of cops around here. You know, I try to be reasonable about such matters. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Good to have you on. Good morning. This is Suzanne. Hi, Suzanne. That woman was intentionally there. She intentionally made herself into a problematic situation. And was intentionally blocking the road and intentionally trying to thwart lawful activity of the police. A lot of responsibility for putting 33 stitches into that gentleman.

Well, she didn't do it. No, I don't think she did that. That was from another incident that that man had suffered. A lot of people conflate the two. I don't think he got that kind of an injury from that one. I don't believe so. I know he had a previous situation where he had been dragged, but I felt the report said he had gone to the hospital and received stitches.

Oh, maybe he did. I didn't catch that one. I'll have to check my source. Okay, anything else? You were, do they add there, ma'am? Yes, I heard, well, two things. That was the one who sent you an email about Lang Z. Matthews and his pro se defense and feeding information through his AI application about the election conspiracies. But I really am concerned.

I heard us, saw a report. It was perpetuated to be a news report about a raid on an island off of California called Luxury Island. Yeah, I'll tell you what, ma'am, if you could send me that again because you're catching me off guard. I don't have that in front of me. I'll be happy to do it. I don't think I've read it yet. And then converse with me. I'll talk with you about that, okay?

Yeah, without having seen it, it's hard for me to comment. Let me go to the next call. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Hi. Hello. Hello. Hi.

Hi, this is Foria. About those cameras downtown, we were doing handicapped ramp for ODOT, and every single person on our crew got a ticket for going 31 miles an hour. I went to the city because I asked them, please check your cameras. because how could every single one of us be going 31 miles an hour? He said, no, we can't do that. The people who run the cameras are from Texas. Okay.

But the people who ended up permitting the people from Texas to run cameras are located in Medford. Exactly. Exactly. And instead of fighting the tickets, we all paid them because we would have lost a day's pay. going in and fighting them. Uh-huh. So, yeah. So my question, what I was talking about here is that, you know, the whole idea here is

that Medford is trying to attract more people downtown. They're about to create another economic improvement zone for downtown merchants. Wouldn't getting rid of the speed cameras be a better way of inviting more people? A thousand percent. A thousand percent. I know a lot of locals who won't go downtown because of those darn cameras. Thank you for the call. 770563.

Good morning. This is Bill. Hi, who's this? More Bill. Super Dave out in Iona, Idaho. Hello, Super Dave. What's on your mind? Hey, you know, I just had to comment back with Chris there and shooting out tires and all of that.

Years ago, I went to Grants Pass's Public Safety Academy. Best program I have ever gone to. You actually get to drive a cop car, drive a fire truck, shoot their weapons. They put you in scenarios and just show you what it's really like to be behind the badge. It sounds really cool to say, well, shoot them in the knee, shoot them in the fire. Shit happens. Sorry, I apologize. Okay.

I just, I dumped you out, but, you know, go ahead. Thanks. Stuff happens fast. Stuff happens fast. And you don't have the time to do it. I was on a grand jury for a police-involved shooting, and we saw the body cameras and the whole thing. And until you walk in their shoes, don't be so darn quick to throw them under the bus. And that's the way I look at it, but I would still say I would be training ICE agents not to get in the back or behind a car with the engine running.

Do you agree? So sure that they were purposely standing in front of. of the vehicle. I'm not saying that they were. I hope they weren't, but the point is, though, it's still bad police form, isn't it? It looks like he was walking around it. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right, Super Dave. Thanks for the call. KMEDE, hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, Lucretia. Hi, Lucretia. I got bad news. Okay, what's that? Catherine Austin Fitz is saying that they this

America's in the process that I call the great poisoning which not just the vaccines but the hospitals the way they're treating people out how they're treating them it's all yes and it's it's about killing as many Americans as they possibly can to get rid of the debt hey could you call me back I'm going to have a little open phone time at 810 sounds like it's going to take more than 30 seconds to parse what you're going through okay could you do that okay all right okay

All right. Thanks, Lucretia. Maybe we'll pick that up. It's more than my, I don't have enough coffee in me for that call. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Morning, Bill. It's David and Phoenix. Hello, David. With a boulder in his, it has been both his shoes. Go ahead. Anyways, for years, downtown Medford has gone. This isn't the first road diet or the first striping or things with bicycles or no skateboarding, There are no smoking on the sidewalks or all that kind of stuff. You know, some lady comes out of a shop and she gets hit by a guy on a skateboard or on a bicycle.

Yeah, I get it. And all that. Yeah, but time, I'm very short on time. So if you could get to that point, though, okay, thanks. One of the point, well, then I'll jump way ahead. I'm missing everything, but that's all right. That's all right. The complaints about, you get the ballot in the mailbox.

It doesn't matter if it's an awful election or not. send it in. Otherwise, you get the creek side thing that we just passed. Get a thing in the mail about RVTD. I hope everybody votes no, because they'll get their taxes reduced. Otherwise, you get to keep your property tax up. So if you don't

do it, it doesn't matter off election or not. Anyways, I really didn't do a good setup, but thanks for being there, Bill. Okay, well, try a setup a little bit later, okay? 632 at KMED, Jack Cashel joins me. The Tray Vunning, of Dina Good, or Dian Good, rather. Okay, we'll be talking about that after news.

And The Reporting Chores. The Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. Jack Cashel joins me. One of my favorite authors. First started reading him a long time ago at TWA 800, and he has his latest bookout, Empire of Lies, which is now available in e-book and print versions on Amazon and Barn and Noble. And, of course, I read them on Substack all the time.

Jack Haschle at Stubstack. Substack, rather. Hello, Jack. Welcome back to the show. Good to have you on. Bill, thanks for having me on, and I just recalled that this is not video. So I don't have to worry about how I look. No, you do not have to worry about it.

We'll probably get that at some point as we move things more onto television. But for right now, audio's fine. You can look as unshaven and grumpy and frumpy as you want, okay? We're good with that. I'm so pretty this morning. I wasted all my beauty rituals. Oh, I'm so. I'm so, well, you know, it's a good thing.

It's a good ritual anyway, okay? Jack, first off here, I just wanted to touch you. I was reading a couple of your substacks over the weekend, and even one of the latest ones that you put out there is thought-provoking that the last police officer to shoot a woman in Minnesota was a Somalian police officer. Is that right? Yeah.

Yeah. That is correct. Yeah, yeah. Muhammad Noor, N-O-R. And you were mentioned. And you were making sense out of this because it does appear that DEI is even crushing the Minnesota or Minneapolis Police Department, right? Is that kind of where you're going on that? Oh, totally.

I mean, it's been gone for a long time. And you know, you still get good cops in there. But they're the exception. The way to promotion, the woman who was the police chief at the time that Noor was hired. based her entire identity on her ability to diversify the police force, right? And so what happens is that this is kind of comical in a way. In 2015, Nour is hired. He's, I think, the first Somali, you know, he was born in Somalia to become a police officer.

There were troubling signs, you know, even before they let him on the force. But the mayor greeted him. She said, this is a time to celebrate, you know, literally. That was the word she was. celebrate. And then after he shoots and kills this Australian woman and this utterly reckless act, my father's a cop, even I can't defend this one, you know. Yeah, could you recap that? Because I'll bet a lot of people kind of forgot what happened. I vaguely recall the Australian shooting incident, you know, the woman from Australia. Her name was Justine Damond. She was engaged to be married to

American, you know, was she was living in Minneapolis. And she was, heard outside one night her house or apartment a which sounded like a rape in progress so she calls the police and nor shows up with his partner and she comes around she's in her pajamas it's 11 o'clock at night she's standing on the uh the driver's side that's where the partner is to telling him what's what happened and then nor just reaches over fires through the door three times in Kilser, right? And he said the reasons he gave for doing it were just the irrational beyond comprehension. So that's in 2017.

Two years after the mayor celebrated his welcoming onto the police force, it was a great day for Somalia, blah, blah, blah. Well, a week after the shooting, the mayor fires the female police chief, who is the champion of diversity. Has that? Have things changed completely around to a normal, actually functioning police department there since that time? Not really.

A lot of good officers have left, and they saw what happened to Derek Chauvin and his colleagues who were good police officers. So, Nor, by the way, goes to prison. He sentenced to about four years in prison. He gets out in two-thirds of that time. Meanwhile, Derek Chauvin, who is struggling to restrain George Floyd, who has a heart attack in the middle of the, while he's resisting arrest, goes to prison for 22 years and one of the most unjust cases I've ever seen. What is happening with that particular case? I know, you know, you tend to bring up a lot of stories in your books of these people of these. Some would call them conspiracy theories. I just call them paying attention, you know, to what, you know, to what.

is going on there. But it was a railroading. It was an incredible railroading. And I guess it was decided, kind of like the way, you know, people have told me from time to time that you'll see crazy Supreme Court decisions because they just know that if they were to do the right decision, that the nation would go nuts. And I'm warning if that was the whole purpose of Derek Chauvin being railroaded, because they just figure the nation would go nuts. And Minnesota, certainly. I mean, every step of the process, was corrupted in major ways. I'd say the two most dramatic ways it was corrupted were

began with the medical examiner's report, who reports that basically that George Floyd died of heart attack. And the, you know, he submits that to the local prosecutors. And then the D.C. medical. examiner who's a black activist named roger mitchell doctor gets a hold of the preliminary report from the minneapolis uh coroner andrew baker medical examiner and then threatens to ruin him unless he changes his uh testimony and that essentially put derrick chauvin behind bars didn't it that was one that was a major part of it so that was critical so andrew baker the dc medical examiner under duress

adds basically had strangulation to the diagnosis. And Roger Mitchell, the doctor from D.C., brags about this to the Minnesota state authorities who have taken over the case from the local Hennepin County prosecutors. This is Keith Ellison and his crew. And so they sit on this information. Defense doesn't even know it when they go to trial. The Mitchell has been boasting about his role and changing Baker's testimony. That's one major issue. Baker, Floyd, in fact, out of a heart attack. He wasn't strangled. There was no neck compression. None of that stuff was true. But yet, I have to tell you when I was, the optics of the knee on the neck, though, were troubling to a lot of Americans. Even I was kind of like going, oh, do we really do that? I didn't know.

Yes, they do. And that's the other part, Bill, because in the Minneapolis, PD training manuals, they show you that technique. It's in the manual. Everyone was trained on it, right? It's a very effective technique. In fact, why I got involved in this case originally is because this is all during COVID when it's all went down. I was in my office, my Kansas City office, which is right in the middle of Kansas City's countercultural district. No one was around hardly. And I heard this woman screaming out in the street. I went out and checked and there was a police, officer kneeling on her neck and i said to myself first thought thank god she's white right because it looks bad but it's a very effective this technique and it because she was screaming like a banshee

and she's a big woman they eventually took four police officers to uh you know can constrain her i was going to take my video out but i don't want to make the cops nervous but in retrospect i should have because i could have shown this is standard practice yeah but the police the assistant police chief, the directive training, all went up on the witness stand and told the jurors that they know nothing about this technique. It was improvised. It was out of ordinary, et cetera. In other words, everybody, in other words, everybody lied because they were told to lie. That's exactly right. They lied. It wasn't like they fudge, they lied. So you had two things happening. One is that the technique he was using was appropriate. And the second thing was

that technique does not result in death unless in this case you're having a heart attack. They don't know this. And you are also a heart attack aggravated by, you know, copious amounts of meth and fentanyl in your system. Yeah. Jack Heschel with me. He has a brand new book out there, Empire of Lies. And there's an example of the Empire of Lies that we find ourselves navigating through right now.

the current empire of lie being built right now has to do with a d n good and you were writing about this that and you're and you're right this is the trevoning of rene good rene good and uh the tray this is like trevon martin and you were all over the trevon martin case back in that day too yeah i wrote a yeah i wrote a book about that uh if if i had a son titled but yeah with rene so the headlines are originally initially and they still are you know, poet, mother of three, loving mother of three, you know. Well, just like the two gangbangers that we had shot in Portland from Venezuela, they're being talked about people from Portland.

In fact, they were trying to make them into a husband and wife team at point, rather than a gang member and the person in charge of human trafficking and prostitution, that sort of thing. And so you don't have to look far to find out, that the facade that the media presented to the world about Renee Good was not exactly the real deal. She was, first of all, the mother, she was, yes, she was a mother of three. She lost her two oldest children to her husband. That almost never happens in family court.

And I can attest to that myself. Almost never. Right. Now, the rumor is that they, either she or her gal pal, Rebecca, had inflicted cigarette burns on the kids. I don't know that that's true, but I do know that they lost custody. Then she has a third child with this guy. I think his name is Rackland. He's a Air Force veteran who is suffering from PTSD, which is probably legit.

And he commits suicide. And so with the one account I was reading where, and it says, Renee, weathered the death of her, of her second husband, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm saying, weathered the deaths. No, she had abandoned him in the obituary for this guy, Timothy, I believe his name is Timothy Rackland. Yeah, he wasn't even mentioned. Right?

She's not even mentioned. By the way, and as he dies in 2003. I mean, and she's living, he's in Colorado, or Oregon, she's living in Kansas City now with her gal-pal, Rebecca. Together they take the name good. It's an invented good. She wins, she does win some poetry award. And for this blasphemous poem about Christianity called, you know, something about in defense of fetal pigs or something.

Yeah, yeah. And she was, I had talked about what, not donating, not donating, uh, bibles, but, uh, having them crushed or recycled or it was something like that you mentioned in the article right really weird it's like you read the poem and you think who came in second in this contest and what did they do you know

and then of course they lied from from moment one about the nature of the shooting so you know those of us on the right knew that by Wednesday afternoon of that Wednesday shooting

that she had in she had done everything she needed to do for this to happen. She was the one who had instigated and provoked it and that the cop shot justified. But we knew this. But they chose not to know. So it wasn't until Friday, finally, I mean, it wasn't until Friday that they acknowledged, and this is the Washington Post specifically, that she was an anti-ice protester. It took him two days So we can even acknowledge that. Now, the thing is, though, you don't deserve to be shot by merely being an anti-ice protester.

And we have to make sure that that is understood, correct? No, not at all. But the giveaway line that enabled the media to believe that she was, in fact, an anti-ice protester was the line from her gal-pal, Rebecca. And she said, we had the whistles. They had the guns, right? And this immediately- But she also had the cars, though. She also had the car.

That's right. But having the whistles was the giveaway line. Oh, if Rebecca said they had the whistles, that meant they were doing this to provoke, right? And as soon as I saw that line, it reminded me of the line that they immediately put out after Trayvon Martin was shot. And that is, Trayvon had Skittles. he had the gun, right?

That's what got you interested. Peaked your interest, right? Thinking about that? That'd make me wonder whether Benjamin Crump had already gotten to Minneapolis. He'd already milked millions out of Minneapolis over George Floyd. Yeah, could you tell people, remind people who Benjamin Crump is, who don't know? Yeah, he's this marble-mouth civil rights lawyer who made his bones in the Trayvon Martin case. Basically, he corrupted that whole case.

That's a long story, but he produced a false witness that allowed Zimmerman to be arrested. The false witness was so extravagantly false that she could not convince the jury. And Martin, I mean, Zimmerman was acquitted. The day after Zimmerman's acquittal in 2013, because of his acquittal, Black Lives Matter was formed. And the rest is history. So it was a very consequential fraud. It was the most flagrant judicial fraud I've ever seen in recent American issue. Now, by the way, whatever happened to Zimmerman, I haven't kept track of him ever since that time.

Do you know it off the top of your head? Yes, I do. I see George a couple times a year. And he's doing okay. But I say that with a qualification. He has a lovely wife. That makes all the difference. But he can't really end to go back to school.

He can't go enter the workforce in any meaningful way. because he still gets death threats all the time, and he's still looking over his shoulder. This is for shooting someone, a young man, a young black man, who was pounding his head into the sidewalk, if I recall, from the testimony back then. That's right. The little boy with Skittles was actually a six-foot martial artist who delighted in beating people up. And he made the mistake of beating someone up who was at a concealed carry, you know. But just like Renee Good made the mistake of thinking you could run over a federal police officer without consequences. Now, the thing is, everybody had agency involved in this, right? You know, the goods had agency, and yet the media are trying to absolve them of the fact that there could be any responsibility.

Now, you having cops in your family, I wanted to ask your opinion about something. The part that I don't understand, though, is why are ICE agents? agents ever getting in front of a vehicle with a running engine. Do you know? Is that something that should be addressed in training? In this case, if you look at it, she, he wasn't originally in front, but she changed the direction when she reversed. And then he found himself in the front. I mean, it's probably, it may not be ideal police work. I don't know. They're not, you know, they're not trained. The street cops are trained. But at the same time, and even, I believe this for I think that I don't believe that police should be ever prosecuted for making

an honest mistake. And I'm including an honest mistake is shooting someone when you think your life is in danger. And the Supreme Court ruled in the 1980s that if a cop reasonably has reason to believe that his life is being threatened, he can shoot. And this falls fully within that. So all this Monday morning quarterbacking of what the angle was. Put yourself in his position. You've got two seconds to make a decision, you know? And it's to me it's not even

a debate worth having by people who don't know anything about what they're talking about, you know. Jack, I appreciate you coming on. I really respect your reporting. I respect what you do over on Substack. And as far as getting in, I want to get a copy of Empire of Lies. Now, I know you provide that

if people subscribe to Substack, but could I actually get a paper copy then? I'd like to do that. Yeah, happy to. Just send me a, Bill, just email me, and you got my email, a copy, I mean, your address, and what you'd like inscribed in it, okay? Okay, well, I want to buy it from you. That's the point. Oh, no, no, don't do that. I got plenty of copies, because I'll send you on. Okay.

We'll call it a quid pro quo for promoting the book on air. Well, you know, I don't feel comfortable with that. Well, of course, I get review copies all the time. The point being, though, I want to find out, how is it working out on Substack? Because, you know, the whole media world is changing. And so many people who used to have to depend on the big publishers who are no longer really quite in charge as they once were are over on Substack and people are subscribing for a few bucks a month. I mean, is that working for you at all? I'm just kind of wondering how it works for working authors these days, because everything's been changed in that media world. I'll just say I love substack.

And I wish I had done it a few years earlier. It's now on my own publisher. You know, I don't have to wait for, I could say, American, spectator, American, and whatever, to decide whether or not they're going to run my article and where they're going to run it. Plus, I get to illustrate it, which I enjoy, you know, putting in photos and other imagery and explanatory stuff. And the feedback is great.

It's a wonderful system for tracking, you know, subscribers. You know, I mean, and you can, those who are in the audience can, you can subscribe for free, or you have the option of a modest, you know, monthly donation. But those monthly donations add up. I mean, there's people making millions on substack now. I'm not one of them. It's, you know, it's becoming a, but are you not comfortable? Is it something?

Is it helping, you know, these days? Yes. Oh, sure. Yeah. Plus, I'm at the point where I really, you know, don't need to work. that hard. All right. But the other thing I was kind of wondering that I was also wondering is,

is the modern publishing world over because of substack and various, various platforms. You know, I've written, I guess, 16 nonfiction books. And for me, and that's also a great advantage for me doing substack because I have total

access to all my own history of all these subjects. that have, you know, residents like, say Trayvon Martin's residence on the case in Minneapolis. But I would say, yes, it's making book publishing harder. And it's not so much substack. It is the instant gratification that comes through X or any other social media, where, you know, without paying for the most part, you have almost total access to the news of the moment, right? Yeah. So if you're going to write a book, you really need a book that is, is not going to be easily digested in a daily review of Twitter or X or Facebook, you know. Yeah.

And thus empire lies, which is what I did is the big media's 30-year war on truth, 1994 to 2024, which really sort of, that is roughly the years that I've been working as an investigative reporter. and I've been involved in many, many of the cases that I talk about. And they are, you know, and I trace the beginning of this period to the Democrats' loss of the House and the Senate in 1994, which came as a huge shock. And to the end of the period, and it's not over, of course, but I say with a climactic moment in the period was the revelation that Joe Biden was a, you know, mental facade of sham and the media's having to own up to their own remarkable ability to lie about his mental health for four years. I think that I am actually healthier and more informed because I watch very I watch very little television when it comes to television news. I'm not sitting there

sucking it down with Fox News. I don't know how people can do you. I don't know if you do that a lot of that or not. You know, I like, there's shows I'll watch on Fox News, Fox News and even. I'll watch Jesse Waters, you know, just to see, summing up the news. And they do a good job. I, you know, I wouldn't, Fox is a godsend. I mean, hate to say that, because they're not perfect. We all know that. And there's subject matter they won't take up that they should. But they provide a useful, you know, compendium of information from a reasonable perspective. Come and sense perspective. But you're right. To get, you know, from my, my primary source of information is X. So, you know, I follow X, a bunch of people, and I go through and you see who's saying what.

Some people you trust, you know, will tell you the truth. And others, you don't trust, but might stumble onto something worthwhile. Jack, I really appreciate the time. And thanks for joining me. And we'll be back touch. And by the way, you can just go to Substack and just search Jack Cashill, Jack Cashel, and you'll find it right away and talk about things that we've been talking about this morning. Thanks so much. Be well. Hey, Bill, any time, sir. Take care.