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Episode Date: January 21, 2026

Open phone calls and topics, the conservative failure on education, what could we do? Other topics and more.

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. 11 minutes after 8, you can join the conversation at 7705633-770KM. He was talking with Ryan Staley last hour, and he was with DefendingEd, defending ed.org, and it had to do with a course. the continuing Marxist, Leninist takeover of the government education system.

And of course, Oregon, we're all over this one. We have this. We've been dealing with this for a long time. And I will remind you an email that I got from Megan. And Megan wrote me the other day is, you know, I sure wish that we had a Charlie Kirk-like person to go interview all the students walking out of class today. And this was sent to me yesterday. It's 2 o'clock that we had students walking out to find out if they know what they're protesting and why?

Well, chances are they're, you know, they don't really know what they're protesting, but still, they are part of the anti-ice and essentially anti-system protest government teacher complex. I don't know how else to put this. And what do you think is a proper strategy? There aren't enough Charlie Kirk's, I guess, to go out there, especially, you know, North Mefford High School, Ashland School or, you know, whatever it is, and do this. I wrote back to Megan and I said, the challenge that we're facing right now is that every parent who has to default or defaults to having their child in the Oregon public school system is essentially, aren't they essentially dooming them to a certain? amount of this activism stew. Maybe you're one of those parents. I don't know. I don't mean to cast blame. But I think conservatives have been really fighting a losing battle in the education world. And at least in Oregon, maybe it's different in different school systems. But I think

in Oregon, the only way is you have to leave and almost be creating a parallel institution. to the public school system that that needs to be the real strategy I don't think you're going to reform a communist-led insurrected public school system I don't I don't know if you're going to be able to really have the effect that you would like just by getting a few people a few activists on on the school boards a few conservative activists now if I'm wrong please let me know and it's not that I want to be defeated about or you have to abandon it. But I think there's also an idea of like throwing good effort afterwards because I can't tell you how many times that I've talked to people who have been on school boards here

in Southern Oregon that went in there, type A personalities, getting ready to go in and do this fight. You know, we're going to, we're going to straighten this out. And then you find out that essentially in the state of Oregon, the public school system is under the control of the state of Oregon, who is controlled by a hard left Democratic governor every time, and who is in essence the State Department of Public Instruction. So Titi Kotech is the state superintendent. And you have, you know, these good, well-meaning conservatives trying their best. It's like, you know, swimming upstream against some of the worst, some of the worst agendas of all. And every time. they're saying, well, they're doing this to the kids.

They're doing this to the kids. Yeah, they're doing this to the kids. And then I would say, all right, you know this, you know this, and why are the kids still there? Why are the parents still there? Why are the parents still? Well, of course, you know, you go in certain places, no, they're not passing school bonds. They're not passing public school bonds. But at some point, there just has to be the mass exodus from the public school system.

Just deny them the oxygen. Ranger called me just a few minutes ago, and that's what I thought I was going to have a guest segment here right now, but I'm just going to continue with the education for a little bit. And Ranger was saying, you know, Bill, rather than trying to get them to quit the teachers union, the Oregon Department, what is that, the ODE, right? No, that's the Department of Education. I'm sorry. But, well, like as an example, the Medford Education Association, the Medford Education Association is the Teachers Association. That's just one of this. It's a teachers union. just like the American Federation of Teacher, et cetera, et cetera. Rather than trying to get them to quit the union,

could you get them to certify or have an alternative, like a parallel institution? I don't know if that's possible. I don't know if that's possible because I believe that when you certify the union, the union is the only union. This is the only union for the teachers, and it's going to be the Medford Education Association, as an example in Jackson County. Medford. Okay. Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but how would you approach this, though? Because as far as I'm

concerned, if you're sending them there, the die is already cast. And those kids, even if they're good kids when you have them around school, they're sitting around swimming in a educational sewer for six to seven hours a day. What do you think ultimately has more effect? I'd love to talk with you about that. You can talk with something else if you want to, too. That's something which is on my mind. Another article that I saw I want to talk about, too, involving science, which I think is a really interesting talk. But we'll go to your calls. I'll always default going to your calls here on Wheels Up Wednesday. Good morning. This is Bill. Welcome. KM.D. You're on. Greetings, Bill. This is Brad with SLM. Brad. Good to have you on. Slovenian Lives Matter. Good to

have you here as always. What's up? Hey, it's interesting. Everyone in my household has got a college degree. However, and now that I'm in my 70s, this topic comes up when I'm around my friends with their kids or grandkids. And the reason I bring that up is, where are they at politically? And Unfortunately, 40, 50% of the people that I know that are fairly conservative, their kids are liberal. And I can't help but think that the educational process they went through is a factor. Now, there's also a certain amount of youth, especially stupid youth, because we're all stupid to an extent where we're kids. You know, it's just the way it is. We learn as you go on. I'm sure that if I were to look at my 16-year-old self today,

I were to go back at that time, I probably was much more of a mushy-hearted, I don't know if I was a leftist necessarily because my parents were conservative, and I thought a lot like my parents, but I probably wasn't as maybe hardcore as I am today. But yeah. But on the other hand,

I have to tell you the school systems that I went through in Mylan, Ohio, and various other places when I was growing up, it wasn't about activist teachers trying to turn out throat-punching antifa types. And now it is. Do you know what I'm getting at? You know? No.

And this is where history can give us perspective. Yeah, what the struggle sessions that, you know, happened in communist China and Russia and everything else were. Well, I'm thinking in terms of when Hitler was in the process of taking over. And once you got to the first level of control, you know, one of the first groups that he eliminated were the educators. Yeah. I know. It wasn't good. They were a threat to his impact and control on the next generation.

Well, that was the way Hitler was looking at this, but we're talking about an arguably free society here, which has been hollowed out in invading, internally, right? I don't try to dwell on the negative. I'm really disappointed with, Oregon, as an example, I think you cited it. We have one of the highest expensive costs to educating kids in the nation.

And they're being trained in radicalism, and yet the response from conservatives to this is more of the same of, well, get on the school board. It's like, no, it seems to me that much stronger medicine is needed at this point in time. And I'm just trying to discern what that might possibly be because getting on the school board seems to be a place where type A personalities go to die. Because then they realize they're one of 9, 10, 12, 13. And then most of the people that are on the school board are also elected by the teachers union once again. It's going back to that, you know, that same challenge that I think that we find here,

trying to get a reasonable education into the poor kids that were forced to pay for at taxpayer expense. We're forced to pay for them, right? The sad factor, but that's for being a senior. I have grandkids. They're now teenagers. I don't have a lot of influence, but I have some. And I can throw at least a different perspective in the, and the, and the, and the, and the, brain of my grandkids.

And that's good. Nothing wrong with this. But yeah, I hear the same thing. Good conservative families, good Christian families. And they end up having, you know, essentially secular

leftist kids. And you have to figure that it's due to essentially government education and that culture, that whole culture about it. I'm thinking, why are you sending them there? Why? I know it's hard to not send them there.

All right. But anyway, I guess I'm just musing on this one. Just expressing frustration. And then the response from a conservative is, get on the school board. Get on the school board. Yeah, get on the school board. And then be frustrated there. I don't know.

770KMD. Thank you very much, Brad. It's 822. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Welcome. Bill, Bill, it's Jerry.

Jerry, good to hear from you. What's on your mind? Well, Bill, maybe I've missed this over the years, but here's my question. What is the endgame of the radicalists that we're talking about? What is their utopia? I'm just curious. What is their utopia? A utopia? Everyone is treated the same.

and there are no standards, and there is also no God, essentially. I think it's an important part about it. There's no God, all right? In terms of improving anybody's life, that's the way I'm looking at it. How is their agenda or whatever their agenda is going to improve anybody's life for the better? I don't know how it could improve anyone's life, but I guess it depends on your definition of improving a life, maybe. It's another question back at you. Well, exactly.

I mean, I'm just asking out of curiosity. I meant, you know, hey, now, if I mean, I don't see any of these people going out to trade schools or anything to get a job. It sounds like they want them to be activists. Yes. Well, hey, so if they conquer everything, you know, like they want to, what are they going to do? They won, Bill, but what are they going to do? I can't answer that, really, can you? I mean, I'm just asking.

I can't answer it. I don't know. But I meant it just seems to me that their whole life is, and their whole reward is, We destroyed this corrupt system. Yay! You know, now what? It's kind of like a dog chasing a car and they catch the car. Now what, right?

Yeah, I just, yeah, it's like, okay, you know, or the dog, hey, or the cat got the bird. Yeah. Beautiful. There's no more birds. What's next? Assuming there's no mice. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Another food source there.

It's really, it's really, then what? What is the then what? All right. Thanks, Jerry. 7-7-0K-M-E-D. If you're on hold, I'll get right to you. I'm kind of liking this. Like I said, we're sort of doing a noodle around on this one, but, yeah, this whole thing. Get on the school board and we'll get things fixed.

And, yeah, and I don't think that's necessarily working. I don't think it is working, because all you have to do is look at the, you know, the test scores and everything else. else. Kids aren't learning. And then they're coming out activists too. So, and, and parents are still shipping them off on the yellow school bus. Hmm. What do you make? 770 KMED. Hi, it's Jeff with Quality Tree Service, your local tree whisper. If you waited till winter to consider pruning your tree. K294 AS Ashland. It's 827. I was expressing some frustration talking with Ryan Staley last hour from parents defending Ed. And it becomes so obvious, though, that there such an activist vein that has co-opted and taken over taxpayer-funded public education.

And where do you go on something like this? Because we still have, you know, good conservative parents here still shipping their kids off into the abattoir. It's kind of how I'm looking at it. And I don't get it. Now, I know not everybody can afford to go to Cascade Christian. I get this, but I would have thought there would have been a little more sense of urgency from parents these days.

And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're just too busy. We're beating down too. Kathy's here. Kathy, your husband is on the Three Rivers School Board right now. I'd love to get your experience here, the perspective about, you know, the conservative response to the education revolution has been to get on the school board. We've been told for years, get on the school board. What happened?

Well, the school board really can't do much. You can't change hardly anything because the state controls everything. So you try to make a change and they're going to sue you or stop you or you just can't do it. Can you give me any example of something that maybe your husband tried to do on the board? And then... Well, he just told me I couldn't tell him, tell you what his one win was because he doesn't want them coming after him. Oh, okay. But I'm going to do anyway.

You can't get books off the shelves. Right. books off the shelves. And they will sue the school, they'll sue, or the school will sue the... Yeah, like the... Essentially pornography that Dwayne Younger ended up reading on the house floor, right? That kind of thing. Right.

But if you hire a librarian and they go through the books, they can remove books that aren't being read. So that's a little bit of subversiveness going the opposite direction then, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But still, but to your point, though, you're making my point, though, that the conservative response to this has been get on the school board, right? And then you find yourself up against brick walls imposed by the state of Oregon.

Exactly. Exactly. All right. So there has to be a different strategy then, wouldn't you say, long term? Yeah. Let's get rid of your gut. or not? Maybe so. I appreciate the call. Let me go to Lucretia. Lucretia, good to have you here. What's on your mind, huh? Go ahead. Hey, Bill. Long, long plant. That's my answer. The 22 key goals of the

communist Bolshevism in America was read before Congress, I guess, from Joe Scalston's uncle, Leon Scalston. And just to read some of these just are so in our face of what's happening today. do away with all loyalty oath, get control of the fuel, schools use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Yeah, this is what Diana Anderson has been talking about, too, when she would be doing these educational seminars. Yeah, control of teachers' associations, put the party line in textbooks, gain control of all student newspapers, use student rights to permit public protests against programs, infiltrates press, get control of book reviews, gain control of. positions in the radio, TV, motion, continue discreding American culture by degrading all forms of artistic oppression, eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling censorship and a violation of free speech and free press, breakdown cultural standards and morality by promoting pornography

and obscenity in books and magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV, present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy. Now then, what is the end game you think? I'll go back to Jerry's question. Do you think you could answer that one? What is the end game then of the agenda? Catherine, Austin, Fitz is saying that they're basically just teaching everybody to be little prostitutes and not an education. And then, I don't know, it's just total mind control and saying that you're healthy because, you know, you go along with everything and it's all okay.

Yeah, maybe it's just like And so, boy, getting on the school board, though, doesn't sound like a sound strategy. Is that fair? You know, we've got to, we basically have a system where we're electing people that are creating a monopoly on everything, giving us a jet-based system, and we give them the right to control us. And it's just BS from the very beginning because it was set up to do that. I mean, you look at Washington, D.C.

It's pretty much, you know, and somewhat of a satanic grid. And I don't know. It's like the Constitution was good, but there's parts of it that we're just setting up. We just can't have centralized power. It just creates the psychopaths and the corruption. I don't know. Yeah, and that's why everybody dives so drastically, I guess, for control of the centralized power because, well, it's centralized power.

And that's how they did it through trade. And all these, you know, different tariffs is exactly what they did to get back in control. Okay. Thanks, Lucretia. Hey, we had a couple of days in which the calls are actually, you know, all right. I'm good. That's progress. Okay.

Let me go to the next call. Hi, good morning. This is Bill who's this. Hey, this is Bill Logan. Good morning. Hey, as somebody who ran for the Metford School District last election cycle, I hear, you said a couple times, you know, these conservatives just sending their, putting their kids on the yellow school bus, I would beg to differ that. You think so? Because, well, no, just because somebody professes to be something and professes to say something doesn't make them one. Okay. You know, if you're professing to be a conservative and you're sending your kids to public school, you aren't a conservative.

Even if I would have won the school board director position, I wouldn't still immediately have sent my children to public school. It has to be a system that's fixed first, and I don't like a lot of people saying, I don't know it's fixed, but I just want to caution people. Don't call yourself conservative and then send your kid to public school. You know, it's the same thing with, I'm going to the commissioner's meeting this morning and speaking again. you know, we have a couple commissioners, actually I maybe think all three commissioners profess to be Christians, yet none of, yet, I have heard no motions filed to shut down the plan parenthood or ban abortions of the murder of the unborn in our valley. Now, say, now you're coming off like a whack job, though.

I, but I'm- Because you know that they have no legal authority to do that. You do know that. Why not? No, no, no, no, listen to me. you show me the legal statutory authority for them to do this just because they're Christians. I believe it would consist of one of the commissioners saying I file a motion to ban the murder of unborn children in the valley, and then a person one second sit, and they vote. It doesn't seem like it's that hard.

Okay. You see, this is why you didn't get on that school board. I guess. I don't know. It seems pretty simple to me, Bill. Yeah, no, but you do how, you also have to understand law. You have to understand the law. And it sounds like you're not, you know, you're willing to do this. You think that just because you're a county commissioner or a mayor or something that you, that you can do a Donald Trump and just do an executive order on anything. It's not an executive order.

It would be a vote by the board. Yeah, a vote on the board, but there's no, but there is no authority for them to do it. It's nonsense that's what you're preaching. Really? Yes. So they couldn't, they couldn't ban the flock cameras in Jackson County, like, for instance, the surveillance cameras. There is authority for them to do that. There is not authority for them to ban abortions. I'm not saying ban abortions. I'm banning the murder of unborn children. They can put it that way.

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I don't even know where you go legally. on that because it has been referred to the states. We even know that. Remember, conservatives were all over, conservatives were all over getting the Supreme Court to turn it back to the states. Well, you've turned it back to the states, and in the state of Oregon, there you go, okay, the state of Oregon is not down with banning abortion, so it is legal. County commissioners, even though they're Christians, or profess to be Christians as he's, is talking about cannot just sit there and say, okay, this is our, you know, this is our law in

Jackson County. Can't do it. All right. Just saying, man's got to know his limitations, Logan. Okay, love you. Got to go. The law sometimes does limit you, which is also why it's limiting the challenges, the responses to conservatives to problems within the educational system. The Marxist takeover of education. The state essentially, has made itself the educator. The governor is practically the State Department of Superintendent instruction or whatever the case might be. It's like the state school superintendent is essentially Governor Kotech.

So, all right, your mileage may vary. But the only way I see any way out of this for conservatives or parents of faith is that they have to leave that system. They must leave that system. And if you have your children in that system, you're going to be stewing in that system anyway. All right, all right. We can talk about it if you want, 770566337.0KMED. The culture overall, though, is certainly where in science.

You know, I'm a big fan of science fiction. I don't know if I've talked with you about this before. I'm a big fan of science fiction. And I was watching this deal on Netflix the other day. It was a series called Altered Carbon. And I like science fiction. and it's a series from about four or five years ago, I guess. And it essentially is that dystopian future,

and it shows people in the future. And it starts with a guy who is essentially in prison for 250 years. He was kept asleep. And what happened is that you would get resleeved. And when you get resleeved, I guess, they take your stack, which is supposedly your consciousness. And everything you knew, everything you wanted, and everything you ever knew, everything you did.

He was a rebel back then, and then they killed him, but they saved his stack in the future, and then they were able to take the stack and then implanted in another sleeve. In other words, another body, right? So they transfer consciousness into another body. That is kind of the world that we're in these days, though, that science and also the AI bros are kind of the same sort of people that are thinking that we're all just meat puppets. for all little meat sacks that are just a program. In other words, if I think, if I think about something or you think about something,

it's not because there's a soul or spirit. It's because there's a chemical reaction in your brain. And if you're depressed, it's not a problem of the spirit or whatever it is. It's because of the chemical reactions in your brain. And here there's a pill for this. And so I kind of like the series, I sort of like this, but it does bother me, though, that it's this continuing secularized science. in which there's never anything of mystery, which is put out there.

There's nothing about God or the creation or anything else. It's only, you know, well, you're just a robot and we'll just take the memories and everything that the old robot did and implanted in the new robot, you know, the meat. I've noticed there's a lot of that in science fiction. You know, science fiction, a lot of science fiction, even though I like the storylines and the time travel and everything else. leaves me feeling a little bit hollow because I know there's soul. I know each and every one of you have a soul, even if you don't believe you have a soul.

But everything about science fiction and even mainstream science is, well, hey, we don't want to talk about that sacred side of thing or the creator or the spirit. I think they're missing out on something. Anyway. So rant enough on Netflix, but hey, I was desperate for something to watch one night. So we found that one. 7-7-0-K-M-E-D. Let me go to the phones here. Open lines on Wednesday.

Hi, who's this? Good morning. Who's this? Hey, Bill, it's wild salmon. Steve, good to have you on. What are you thinking today? We've been talking about a lot of things, education, and more, but the one thing I can tell you is that I don't think the conservative response to education is working here.

That's me. Well, your caller that asks, where's it going. I tell you, there's two things to read. One is Alexander Solgeny. Inson's book on the Soviet Union. And the other is studied the French Revolution because both ends of the circle end in the same place, which is absolute control, and both ends of the circle end up with nothing working. A great example is when Stalin was running the Soviet Union, they found out that they were short of coal in Moscow. So they fired the engineers,

that ran the railroad because the coal was being hauled in on the railroad, and the so-called smart people decided to double the amount of coal that they could put in each car, which ended up destroying the railroad. Oh, they doubled the amount of coal in each car? Really? Yes, wait. Yeah, that was their solution. Okay. Enough coal. And the engineers of the railroad said, hey, you know, our bridges won't support it. The tracks won't support that much weight.

but the politician said, well, we're going to do it anyway because people need coal. You know what that reminds me of right now? I don't know if you caught the latest story coming out of Salem, plopping out of the Salem, cloaca, that Oregon Governor Tina Kotick has named a panel to study the impact of data centers. Did you read that story by chance? Well, I heard about it. You were talking about it earlier. That doesn't surprise me.

Yeah, yeah, the data center impact, right? and saying we have to have frank conversations there. Yeah, I'm putting fraudulent back or putting back the coal fire plant and boardmen. Well, it won't be that frank of a conversation. You know that, Steve. You know that. But yeah, they're talking about 11% of the, right now,

11% of Oregon's power is used in data centers. And now Governor Kotech, who, of course, has done everything along with Governor Brown and her other fellow travelers to destroy actual base load, reliable power. Now they're saying, oh, we have to have frank conversations. Well, when you go to control of people who are quote unquote smart, because that's what the communists say is, you know, smart people should run the government. The smart people end up is the best politicians, not necessarily the smart people. And it really all kind of goes

back to tenure in college. Really? How does it go back to tenure, you think? Well, the smart people are the college professors, you know, if you want to go through that. They're the ones who have the most education. And they all want tenure where they can't be fired. So, you know, that's kind of the same thing as communism. You get in power and then you control everything and you can't be fired. You could have your head cut off, but you can't be fired.

But you can't be fired. All right. Steve, thanks for the call, as always. I appreciate that. 7-7-0-K-M-E-D. All sorts of topics this morning. Hi, good morning. Who's this?

Welcome. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hi, who's this? This is Sheila. Hi, Sheila. Love that name, Sheila.

You know, now if you are, if you're in, you know, in, if you ever go to Australia, then. Australia? You ever laugh about that? You know, yeah, you're Sheila. Of course you are. Yeah. You know, they're going to. So I have a question, like, regarding the abortion ban kind of things.

I don't know if it's a question or not, but isn't generally, if you go to your doctor, you know, what you do with your doctor is, like, you know, protected by HIPAA, right? Yes, it is. Like, yeah. So how is, how is it like if someone goes in to get a special? abortion, how can, why is that anybody else's business medically? Let's see. Now, I don't know if you go in and get a prescription for an abortion.

I'm not aware of that being done. Are you? No, no, no. I said, no, like, not a prescription, but if you go in and get a smush portion, how come you're not protected by HIPAA in that fashion that, like, when you walk in your doctor door, it shouldn't be anybody else's business, what you do in there and when you come out? Yeah, I don't think it is. anybody's business if you go into an abortion clinic and get an abortion. I don't think there is

any right for someone to know that about you or get that record. I'm not aware of anybody that says that they do have access to that. Do you? I just like when the whole fight to ban abortion and then, but the same people that probably want to ban abortion will promote the transgender thing when essentially you're killing a life there as well. You're removing one. You're removing you're taking a life of whether you were a boy or a girl, making it a boy or a girl. Well, I think you may have that inverted, though, Sheila, because most of the people that I know who are anti-abortion and pro-life

and would really prefer to, you know, to not do such procedures, though, are usually not big fans of the transgender agenda either. Well, that makes me that. That's a positive note. Okay. All right. Just so you know. All right.

Thank you. I just thank you very much. But all I'm saying is that here in the state of Oregon, you're not going to have anybody in a local city council or your county commission passing a law, banning abortion because it is not, that's not permitted. It's not under their statutory authority to do so. That's what I was getting at. All right, 770KMED. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. This is Bill and Roe River.

Glenn, pleasure. What's on your mind? Well, you were talking about whether people have a soul, and I go back to my early workdays with generally. I was actually involved in one of the traces that ended up finding Theodore Kaczynski. Really? No kidding. Yeah, no. The FBI got involved and we were doing traces and they said, oh, you'll really be happy with what we've discovered from these traces. And you'll hear about it in a couple months.

And then this came out about a month later, I was talking the same guy. He said, yeah, we got him. So, you know, inadvertently, I was just tracing numbers. know what I was doing. But my point is, Ted had the same relationship or raising as his brother. His brother ended up being a very well-educated man that was in social services. And Theodore went to the universities and got basically blocked out of a math tenure because computer math was getting superior to his theoretical math designs. Anyhow, my point is one guy got divorced from culture enough where he decided to get even as it was his plan.

And his brother, very, very similar in personality and other things, became a very caring individual for social people. And I just thought that was such a striking difference. And I've never seen a study on the difference of kids raised by the same family because one blamed it on the way he was raised. and the other one said, well, I'm okay. Yeah, is it... Yeah, is it nature or nurture? That nature, nurture question here? Right, yeah, so the soul is something that obviously tips us one way or another

into our desires or our outcome. And I just thought it was interesting and maybe worth pondering more. Yeah, I certainly will, and I appreciate you bring that up. My point was being, though, is that the general approach in most television shows, movies, science fiction always seems to be that our consciousness has little to do or nothing to do with soul. But have you noticed that it's always, it's something that can be recorded and downloaded, and this seems to be something that the godless AI people in charge of the country nowadays seem to be wanting to push. It doesn't that surprise you in some ways?

Well, having worked on computers, which is what I basically did for my whole career. I said computerized switch rooms. I was appalled at how many people thought the computer gave you this data, therefore it's true. And it's the same thing with these stories. If we're just a bunch of data recollection points, then morals have nothing to do with our behavior whatsoever. Exactly. And our conversation that you and I just had was not our soul translating through our thought process in our brain and our bodies, but it was just chemical reactions in that blob in the middle of our head, right? It was just chemical reactions. That's all it is. Well, and you get all the way to the current day to change it slightly is all these people doped up with whatever chemicals,

whether it's, you know, sex suppression drugs or whatever, end up going crazy and start killing people. And you wonder, well, are we chemicals? Because some people take those meds and don't do that. Others are pushed over the edge. Why is that? Yeah, it's a good question. Maybe we'll address it on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Great call. And thank you for for making it too. Catch you tomorrow. One of each K4 event.