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This hour of the Bill Myers Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Jonathan Butcher joins me, and he's written an interesting book. I don't know if I agree with the premise, but I'm going to go down there. Maybe he's right. It's called the polarization myth, America's surprising consensus on race, schools, and sex. All right.

Hey, Jonathan, welcome. Have at it. doing this morning. Great to have you on. Thank you. Great to be with you. Hey, tell me a little bit about your background. What have you been up to that got you to the point you're looking at polarization? You're saying, you know, it's really not as bad as we're thinking because it feels right now like, well, at least here in the state of Oregon, we're kind of, you know, at each other's throats to a certain extent. Politically, certainly the Democrats are in charge. But what say you? Give your background. Well, and even in my book, I talk about how politically speaking, yes. I mean,

There are elections that are close. There are people who are dissatisfied with members of Congress who, I believe, have struggled to move meaningful legislation for quite some time. But when it comes to the issues, when it comes to the topics that parents talk about at the dinner table that you talk about with your colleague that work, we really have a lot of agreement on a very common sense issues. So take, for example, issues related to race or, say, allowing men to use women's private spaces. There's actually quite a bit of agreement that we shouldn't be judging people just on race alone. and we shouldn't allow men to participate in girls' sports or to use girls' bathroom. What about when you take it to the next step, though, in which you are supposed to be happy that your state is paying for and inviting and essentially trafficking in transgender surgery and making that part of the school curriculum and that you'll hide it then from parents? I mean, does that get a little sporty, you think, here, Jonathan?

Well, certainly, I mean, opposition to those policies is entirely appropriate. And, you know, just because we have states that are doing, you know, what you describe as happening in Oregon, we also have other states leading the way like Texas, Florida, even South Carolina, Tennessee. You know, there are other places in the country where they have already adopted provisions that protect young women and girls from this. So, you know, just because my argument, and I stand behind it, that we are not. polarized doesn't mean that there are not places in which we still need to fight these battles. And you know, that's why I wrote the book, right? If it was just a survey, that would be a press release. And we could say, well, look, here's a snapshot in time. But the reason I wrote the book is because there are reasons why when we see lawmakers taking positions that run contrary to my survey and others, that demonstrates that the American sense of national identity is actually intact and that there are some radical lawmakers that are pushing us in a direction where voters and parents don't want to go.

All right. Now, you are the Will Skillman Fellow in education at the Heritage Foundation. So this is the stuff you dig into all the time here. So what are examples of the biggest luminaries, the politicians, the biggest radicals that you think are pushing us in certain directions, pushing us to decide that some of the most radical stuff is actually more mainstream than it is? a few ones? Well, yeah, I mean, look, the Biden administration just led us through four years of it, right? I mean, they opened their administration with an executive order pushing ideas related to critical race theory and

diversity, equity, inclusion throughout the federal government. Which essentially is hate Whitey, and it's okay. In fact, we love you if you hate Whitey. Bottom line, right? Well, but even on top of that, it's the idea that we should use racial preferences when we admit students to school, when we promote individuals in the workplace, when we award tenure in schools. I mean, it's not, you know, this isn't just a, you know, white versus black question. This is an issue of whether or not individuals are going to be judged based on their decisions and their behavior or whether or not they should be judged based on their immutable characteristic. And in my book, I interview a president of a college in New York, a private Christian college.

He's the first black president of this college, and he says, you know, we should be treating students based on the choices that they make based on their hard work. And he doesn't believe that the way that higher education is sort of leading the charge in pushing racial preferences as appropriate. Okay, yeah, but it's not appropriate. So you have some people that are saying that it's not appropriate, but control of institutions, the entire country's institutions, the ones that are in charge of all of this. here, Jonathan, are the inappropriates, aren't they? Isn't that really, you know, it'd be kind of like saying, okay, well, as a people, we're not all that divided, but the institutions, though, the controlling authority here, the administrative state, it is.

It is, it is in the radical. See what we're getting at here, you know? Oh, sure. Yeah, I mean, I think that when it comes to higher education, they definitely fall on the side of the more radical spectrum of organized interests. Yeah, and we're forced to pay their salaries here in the state of Oregon. We're forced to pay these kind of things. And to make the claim that we're not polarized about such things and such matters,

it just strikes me as thin gruel. I don't know. Talk me down. Sure. I think it's that the American public disagrees with what these radical high education institutions are doing, and so the colleges are outnumbered, right? When you take the number of surveys that not just mine, but also Pew Research has done for many years, have come up with results showing that parents of students and voters disagree with the direction that higher education is going in.

So, again, even with 4,000 institutions out there, they're still outnumbered by the American public. And that's why I think this kind of advocacy to educate people about the harm that comes from racial preferences is so important. And I would add, I would add here that the election of the second Trump administration and the positions that the Trump administration has taken against DEI is in line with where the American mind is today. And look, we saw the university. Okay, now, is it in line with the, okay, hold on here, Jonathan.

Is what the Trump administration is doing? You said it's in line with the American mind? Is it in line with the political mind of the Democratic Party, which is almost which is many ways the majority in the urban hive mind areas. What do you say? Well, I think it depends who you ask. I mean, I don't think that there is, take, for example, the issue of gender, okay? Teaching gender to young children or even gender studies programs in higher education

or just the very idea that gender is superior to the notion of sex. And even there, I interviewed a lifelong Democrat who talked about how her daughter was caught up in the, quote, gender crave. And she was shocked, shocked by what was being taught in her child school. And so she led an effort, a statewide effort to put something on the ballot to change the law in California. And she's still working on that. But the point was that her opposition came from someone who had voted for Bernie Sanders, who was supportive of left-of-center causes. So there are people on the left who are recognizing that these radical positions have overset their bounds, right? They have overshot their target.

And they don't represent. where even most of those who are on the left side of the spectrum find themselves. And I think that there is a radical contingent. There's a group of experts in the media. We've talked about higher education who are telling us that we're crazy if we disagree. When the fact is, we are, in fact, holding the center on this. It's essentially our mainstream media, our cartel media, if you want to call it. Are they essentially an enemy of our common sense?

Would you go that for, Jonathan? Jonathan Butcher, by the way, with me. I love the term cartel media. I haven't heard that one. I'm going to use it. I think that the, you know, the media is incentivized to sell advertised. I think that they are following what creates debate and causes intense, you know, intense division. I think they do propagate these ideas that divide Americans.

I think that the surveys, again, that we've talked about here, here, as well as the policies from right of center administrations in the states that I've mentioned, Texas, Florida, and elsewhere are moving in the other direction. And I think that there is widespread support for not teaching, right? Young children, that gender is superior or sex, for example. And even on top of that, when you ask parents, very simple question, do you want character and virtue taught in schools? Overwhelmingly, the answer is yes. And that is a strong rebuttal to the idea that, you know, teaching racial preferences or the 1619 project or ideas that race is the most important thing about you should be taught. That's a powerful

rebuttal to that position. Jonathan, in our own families, now I'm a conservative man. I'm a conservative broadcaster. I make no bones about it. I admit my bias. I mean, I'm willing to listen to other proposals, but I have a strong bias, but I'm in, you know, I'm honest about it. I imagine you are too here. Why are we in this situation now where in my family, I essentially have liberal family members that believe I am evil and don't even want to talk with me. Doesn't even want to get on the phone with me most of the time. In fact, it's a sister of mine talking about how disappointed she is with me. It's like that my politics has become a moral failing with her. And I don't feel that way about her.

So, you know, I think we have a serious bit of polarization going on within our own families. We hear about it all the time every time a holiday comes around, how to deal with your holiday relatives who disagree with you, you know, politically. How is that not polarization of some form or another? Well, I think that's very hard for those who are in positions like the one you describe, and I certainly don't envy that. I believe that there are areas of common ground that we've described so far about how the left has overreached on gender, for example, or how the left is overreached on race, what we really want our kids to be taught in school, such as more civics education. That actually is quite a bipartisan issue.

There are those on the right and the left who agree that civics should be taught more. Now, they may disagree on what should go into it, but that gives us a place to start, right? It gives us a place to go from to recognize that we want to. Well, yeah, well, even when it comes to civics and history, of course, but who's the controlling authority on civics and history? Why, that would be Howard Zinn, the committed leftist. Once again, in the committed leftist government school system here, Jonathan. This is why I'm not sure, you know, how saying we're not polarized isn't the more sensible way. But anyway.

Well, in some places, that is true. But in my book, I interview two women who are so frustrated by what their children were learning during COVID that they started their own organization to get classic books and quality literature back in schools. And now they're operating in states around the U.S. to change the actual textbooks that are being used in schools and to change the curriculum. And we're seeing states, again, you know, you can point to the reading improvements in Mississippi. That was done by state lawmakers there. You can talk about the civics initiatives that are happening in Florida. Florida has completely revamped the way that it teaches civics. I interviewed, in fact, and talk about a woman who was teaching teachers how to teach civics in Florida.

I mean, there are places in which it's changing. I understand that it may not be in every state around the U.S., but that doesn't mean we're polarized. It just means that we need to be advocating for good ideas. It means that we need to be spreading the good news that there are places that are returning to a sense of common sense, right, on these important notions of what we teach children, what's important in school, what's important for our values. Jonathan Butcher is the author of the polarization myth. America's surprising consensus on race, schools, and sex.

So race, schools, and sex seems to be the more common ground. Is that what you're getting at here? But what about such matters as, well, one of the big issues that President Trump was elected on? and that is immigration reform and actually having a secure border. How does that play, do you know? Well, I think that there's been widespread approval of the president's position on the border. I actually think the sense of safety is an important one to Americans. I don't think that that's been – I actually think that that's – there is widespread agreement on that issue as well.

I wish I could say that there was agreement on every issue, but that is actually important. That's a feature, not a bug of the American system, that we can have our founding fathers talked about factions and why we needed to preserve the ability of both the minority and the majority to have discussions on important topics. I don't think it's a bug that there are different opinions. I think it's a feature. I think the problem becomes when so-called experts tell us that we are so divided that there is no common ground. I just don't think that's true. I actually think there are places where lawmakers can begin to build a sense of good.

public policy. I think it starts with these areas that we agree on. And it's, look, these are common sense issues that we talk about at the dinner table all the time. Okay. Now, so you're dismantling in this. You say that this is a myth of a fractured nation, then. Then why does it feel like it is such a fractured nation? And then you have states like Minnesota, Oregon, California, essentially in a soft form of rebellion against any kind of central government authority of some sort. Where do you come down on that? I think even in the state of Minnesota,

there are watchdogs who alerted Americans to the fraud, for example, that just happened involving Somalis, the fraud of what happened during COVID. So, you know, while these states may be passing ethnic studies programs, for example, which I've written in opposition to in both California and Minnesota, there are other places that we can look to, for better example, South Dakota, Louisiana, for example, have both improved their standards in different ways on social studies than the direction that Minnesota and California are going in. I think that the media wants us to think that just because there are different opinions in these states, that it is representative of either polarization or the majority.

And the fact is it isn't. It doesn't represent the majority. I actually think it represents the fringe. And that's part of the message of my book, is that the experts are telling us one thing, and it's not the truth. Is there a favorite left wing, if you want to call it, or a liberal issue that more people from the right or conservatives agree with more than one would think? I'm wondering if you had a way of figuring that out. If there's a pet issue on the left that Republicans can be more persuaded on or conservatives, did you see anything about that in your travels? A sort of a bipartisan agreement on something.

I mean, I think that you would be surprised, that you would be surprised that you would get, you know, because we, you know, we hear every day on the mainstream news what Democrats don't like, okay? We get that. Everywhere you go. We know what Democrats don't like. Just watch a national newscast and you'll figure it out, you know, pretty clearly. But other things that Republicans actually support Democrats on more than you might think. Just curious. Well, I think that the issue of gender is one that is more bipartisan than we are told.

I think that the allowing men in private spaces is unpopular among Republicans and Democrats, among those on the right and the left. And all of the pieces that go with it, there are a number of surveys that demonstrate them. And so I think that that is a place in which we, I think, can find agreement on both sides. But that's not really a democratic issue. It's been more of a Republican issue. Is there a Democratic issue that more Republicans agree with, and you would think, than you would think?

And it's never not nearly as polarized on. That was my question, Jonathan. Yeah, sure. No, that's a good one. I mean, I think the issue of what to do about public schools, I don't think that there's anyone on the right or the left who want to abandon them. I mean, I think those on the left center of the spectrum feel like school choice is a problem, and they don't support that as a solution, and they believe that public schools are where all the investment should be.

And I think while Republicans, or those on the right, are more likely to favor school choice, I think there's also agreement that we need to do something about the traditional public school system, given the widespread low scores in both reading and math. And that is important, not just for reading scores among fourth and eighth graders, it matters for America 250, right? That's what this year is going to be a celebration about. It's about what our public schools represent and whether or not we can come to agreement on both providing quality options in the form of school choice, but also,

paying attention to protecting civil rights in traditional public schools and improving the standards, making it more rigorous in our K-12 system. I do find it ironic, though, that we were actually a more illiterate nation before we had universal public education. When you actually look back at the statistics of it, and now nobody can read. I shouldn't say nobody, but the scores are pretty... The numbers make us feel that way, that's for sure. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's an interesting concept. I don't know if I'm...

I mean, okay, well, I'm always persuadable. Jonathan. All right. I'm glad you came on to be a good sport in talking about this. But Jonathan Butcher is author of the polarization myth, America's surprising consensus on race, schools, and sex. Where can you find out more about it?

Sure. You can find our work and my research on this book at heritage.org as well as at Encounterbook. And on social media, I'm J.M. underscore Butcher. All right. Jonathan, I appreciate the call. Thanks for being on. Good talk. Thank you.

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Give Bill a shout at 541-770-533-770 KMED. And it is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. conspiracy theory Thursday. So have had it. We've got the final 25 minutes. It's you. We can talk about it. And I've still kind of scratched my head, Jonathan Butcher, who wrote the polarization myth.

He says that we're not nearly as polarized as it's presented. I don't know about that. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong reports and places like that and going to the wrong rallies, I guess. But, hey, Phil, how are you doing over in Rogue River? What are you thinking this morning, huh? Go ahead. Good morning, Bill. I kind of missed the last segment there about your last topic, I should say, is about being not so polarized and something you'd be surprised that the Democrats and Republicans may agree on.

And that thought is about trans and sexuality and gays and this and that and the other thing. But I don't think that Republicans actually don't want it. We just don't want their lifestyle shoved down our throat. Ah. Okay, so that's the difference. but you see the trans agenda is about not just demanding that we are allowed to exist, but you must get down to kneel and celebrate and promote and do all the other things. And oh, by the way, in essence, you're supposed to agree, though.

Isn't that right? You have to agree. You can't just, okay, you're there. But it's different, is it? It's like all my beliefs, my personal beliefs, they are what they are, but I'm not shoving them down everybody else's throat to try to make them agree with me. And every agenda, left-wing sock-puppet agenda is a crusade. A sock puppet, yeah. That's a funny one.

Yeah, it's a crusade, isn't it? Everything's a crusade. Absolutely. But thanks for your time, Bill. All right. Thank you. Yeah. And if you are a heretic on our crusade, on our transgender crusade, off with your head.

Or maybe you'll be off with your pee-pee or something? I don't know. No, that's that side of it. Anyway, let me go. Good morning. Hi, who's this? This is Bill. Welcome.

Gino. Good morning, Bill. Gino, pleasure. What's on your mind? I have about two paragraphs that are quotes from Thomas Jefferson about admitting people who are unwilling or may I just read it? Oh, sure. Is this about immigration or something else?

Yes, it's about, well, read it. will come to the United States as refugees escaping from tyranny. But tyranny will have shaped their ideas about politics. They are unlikely to have learned either how to live or peacefully respecting the rights of others or how to be vigilant in the assertion and defense of their own rights. They are unlikely to even have a clear idea about their meaning and content rights. And admitting persons who are prepared, who are not prepared, possesses a fundamental problem for the American experiment. And here comes the kicker.

They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave behind, imbibed in their early youth, or if able to throw them off, will be in exchange for unbounded licentiousness, passing as is usual from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle if they were to stop precisely at that point of temperate liberty, having no experience or understanding of liberty. You know, Jefferson was absolutely. right about this. In other words, you import Somalians from a Somalian culture, you get Somalian ethics in your local government, which is filled with Somalians, just saying, right?

Let's go another step. Having studied Islam intensely and lived in the study center for three years, I can tell you from a personal experience fact. It's a satanic death cult and their Messiah is described in their books. By the way, I have copies of the Hadith, the Sunnah, and the other one. Anyway, you read it all together, and it says, pillage, rape, kill, murder, lie, cheat, steal. It doesn't matter as long as you're advancing, getting enough people to think that that Islam is the right way. And their objective is to put everyone on the planet to Islam, And at that point, they say in their scripture, the whole world will end. The whole world will end.

So their description of the Christ is exactly our description of the Antichrist. And I know that from inside. So you're on the inside. Oh, listen, after at one point, the Imam called myself and my girlfriend. This was 1972, by the way. He called us up to the front office. We walked in, big desk, to one. Billarillo stand on either side and with Uzi's strapped under their armpits, and they're standing

like guards, right? And, of course, my girlfriend had to sit six feet behind me because she's a woman in their second class. And then he informed me that I needed to prepare my girlfriend for breeding. I said, excuse me? And then he proceeded to tell me that the Muslim doctrine is either we're going to convert you by the beautiful way, which is by talking, or we're going to, if you can't convert you, then we're going to subjugate you under Gizia and make you pay us taxes because you are an infidel. Or if all those, if those two don't work, then we're going to kill you.

But you see, for you to mention something like this, why that would be considered in our modern parlance is Islamophobic. Well, anyway, let me go to the next step. I'm just kidding. You know what I'm getting at, Bill, right? Right, you know? Absolutely. You know, my joke is, Bill, that being afraid. of your neighbor's dog with foam all around his mouth barking like crazy at the end of the chain

lunging at you is not a phobia. It's a rational response. Okay, I'll give you a final say. It looks like you wanted to say one more thing. Go ahead. Yes. So then I look back at my girlfriend. I said, what do you think of this? She says, hey, oh, no. It's sexual, by the way. I said, go, I guess you go pack our stuff. We're out of here. So she leaves the room. The Imam looks at me and says, you can't leave. I said, excuse me? He said, once you've embraced this mom, we will, we forbid you to leave. If you do, we will find you and kill you. So I looked at him. I said, dude, I was born in Jersey. We're handling this right now. And I got up off the chair and started walking towards the desk. Those three guys took it up and ran out the back door. All right. I'm telling you,

buddy, from inside, this bomb is a satanic death cult. Read their books before you say anything. Appreciate the call. Thanks for sharing the experience. Wow. That's quite a story, isn't it? Uh, 770 KMED. Conspiracy Theory Thursday, have at it. We'll be right back. Get ready. The Grange Co-op Bucket Sale is back. It's the Bill Meyer Show on KMED, Southern Oregon's Place to Talk.

844-770-5633 on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. You know, it's interesting. Steve wrote me, popped me an email, and he's right about it, that we have not won yet when it comes to the downtown Medford or any downtown here. And like I said, I'm celebrating the fact that the nonsense of Main Street will go away. That has been changed back. We had a split city council. Mayor Michael Saracensky ended up saying, yep, we're going to put it back to the three lanes, et cetera, the way it was before.

They've had to pay back the grant, et cetera, et cetera. But the problem is, though, is that the climate beat. is still there. And Steve, thank you for bringing that up because it's very true. And this was a minor skirmish. The gangrenees, the gangrene goal is still fully in place, fully in place in moving forward. And there's been little local opposition to this. In fact, when I was watching the Medford City Council yesterday, Diana Anderson was in there talking about, you know, essentially how our climate-friendly goals here are about creating the perfect competition. communist city and she was giving it some information to the city counselors and she ran out of time.

They gave you two minutes and she wasn't able to get her thoughts out. Diana, I think I'm going to invite you on so you can do what the Medford City Council did not let you speak about because I guess bringing up aspects that Medford and others are being turned into perfect communist cities and we're actually inviting it with the climate friendly equitable policies, etc. That's probably not really welcome. You almost need to get five or six people to take their two minutes. And you do two minutes, then the next person does two minutes, then another person does two minutes, and then maybe the city council will actually hear what you said. So, yeah, I'll talk to Diane get her on.

She's done lots of wonderful seminars on this. Are people listening? I don't know. Let me go to Ann, the horse lady. Hello, Ann. Good to have you on. What are you thinking, huh? Good morning, Bill.

Two things. Number one, they pull one. the tariffs from President Trump, he's rather like a bull in a China shop, if they pull those tariffs away, he loses his leverage. And if it goes to Congress, we all know that Congress can't even get out of the way. That's number one. Yeah, well, the thing is, the Constitution is the Constitution. I don't think you ever really had that leverage. That's my opinion. But, you know, that's... Whatever they decide, because we don't... You and I can't influence it in any way. It is above our pay grade, agreed.

All right. Yeah. What I would like to comment on is this street problem in Medford. Yes. I go to Medford once a year to pay my taxes, and I always take my check into the tax department. And the thing that just absolutely floored me the last time I went in, I only go once a year. I drove in on the old highway and came into Medford, and I was floored. Medford looks like a derelict on the main drag.

I think it's the next one after Jackson, and I turn right and go to Oakdale and go across Oakdale and go to the tax department in the back of the city. And these people that don't want that main street fixed, they should be thrown out of the city council immediately because Medford is dying if they don't do something. about it. They've got to let business come in and they've got to stop trying to restrict everything. Well, it's mostly about trying to restrict motoring. Everything that has been done

with gangrene planning, climate-friendly, equity planning, all of this end is about making you uncomfortable to visit the city by motor vehicle. In other words, they're trying to turn it, I guess ideally the supporters would like us to be Amsterdam in which we're all riding our bicycles or like in Paris and ringing the bell and going, Bonjour! You know, let me tell you a little secret about bicycles. I live out on Table Rock, and I saw an electric bicycle go by me going south the other day, and he was keeping up with traffic on an electric bicycle, and I thought, oh, great,

you're on the main drag, and you want to turn in Medford. You want to turn right, and here comes a bicycle at 20 miles an hour, and you try to turn right, and he runs into your, he torpedoes your... doors. Yeah. Point well taken. Thank you, horse lady. I appreciate that.

And Michael is here, too. Michael is... What did you want to talk about again, Michael? Help me up. Morning. Oh, I was just one to bring up the, you know, there's a global effort to do all the same things that are going on in mostly small towns like Medford. You get your, you know, all of it basically a global plan.

And I guess, you know, attacking at locally is probably the best way to, we've, overcome it, but it's not too easy. No, and it's not. And then what happens, though, is that people feel so defeated because you realize that so much of this is coming from above, your local governments end up desperately grabbing for every dollar

in grant stream funding, and they end up bringing the communism into us that way. Yeah, it's like a self-defeating little thing. We pretty much got to get out of this trap, but we've got to look at the battlefield a little careful, more careful, and realize it's not coming from local.

These guys are just doing, they're going along with it. Yeah, nobody except the Spandex Mafia asked for Main Street to be broken, all right? But. Yeah, I'm just waiting for the happy part to kick in because, you know, the other part's pretty well on its way. Says Michael. Michael, it's a good call. 770, KMED. Good morning. This is Bill. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Who's this? This is Minor, Dave. Hi, Dave. What are you thinking?

I was going to ask you, I haven't heard any update on whether I got any recommendations for my pardon. I was just doing a follow-up. I don't know. I'm not like the clearinghouse of recommendations for pardons. No, but I just wanted to know if you sent one in, you said you were. Yeah, I don't, no, I have not done mine yet. Sorry about that. I'm trying to actually work a plan to help you out through some other people who are kind of connected is what I'm working on.

I, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, it's still pending. Anyways, so thank you for all your help. All right. Yeah, and I haven't done enough yet here, but there have been, well, there's a lot of balls in the air, Mider, Dave. Okay?

All you have to do is that we need some super, I don't know, genetic engineering kind of thing. If I could be cloned, that would be helpful. And I could have one, you know, one of me doing some things behind the scenes and typing and doing part and stuff. According to Elon Musk, if you got the chip, you could do 10 times more. I kind of like biological intelligence, don't you? Yeah, sure do I. Yeah. Just teasing you.

I'm just pulling your legs. Okay. Thanks. I don't know. I swear that life in America is turning into, you know, almost like what every dystopian science fiction movie ever warned us about in the past. Go ahead. Go ahead.

let the stores monitor you and database that. Then they can start feeding you customized ads when you walk into Walmart. What could go wrong? Anyway, hi, good morning. KMEDE.D. Who's this? Glenn from Roe River, a pleasure. What's on your mind?

Well, you were talking about that gentleman that wrote that book on the fact that we have more in common than not. And I would suggest why is it that politicians always try to sway not their party, but the undecided independence. And I think it's because that's where the majority of the people are. They don't want to be polarly isolated in one view or another, or one critique in another. And I just think that... Well, doesn't that also indicate that you have a great majority of people

who don't really have a flag and don't really have a core value? Isn't that what we're talking about, too, to an extent? Possibly, but I think it's more... more that, like, why are people upset with Trump? Why does he lose votes after he gets in? Because he does some really crazy things on his postings and other things, and he rants. And the reality is if he worked from his promises and stayed to those and didn't rant, his approval numbers would probably be 70%.

So it's a matter of style and behavior that is hurting him, in your view? Sure. Sure, like if Christine Drayson, this education problem we have where our kids aren't learning, you know, I'm going to go back to arrest criminals and get them off the streets, she'd probably win, but she's got to stay on core popular issues that everybody can agree to. Is she not focused on that? I had not really paid attention to that campaign, you know, up to this point. Yeah, she's not. She's just saying basically she's anti-left, you know, and, That's not enough.

It just, what did Ronald Reagan say? It's not about pastels. It's about bright, vibrant color, something like that. Yeah. You know, paint your differences, but make sure they're popular choices. Don't go out on the fringe on some weird issue. I mean, look, I believe that we shouldn't have limits on magazine capacity. But I'm not going to run on that because there's a whole bunch of people that are paranoid that think if you have a gun,

their child can't come into your yard because they have a gun, you know. I'm not going to run against that. I may support it, but that's not going to be my main point in my campaign. Now, Ed Deal, of course, he's a lifer of the NRA, so I imagine he's certainly implanted. I talked with him, you know, this morning. He's certainly going to be implanted on the Second Amendment right, but I don't think he's necessarily advocating machine guns for all. We'll see.

Right. Yeah, I'm just. saying that we got to make our points on the points that matter and on the little stuff, we do those on the side. And yeah, we should push our right because it is making really left as bad choices right now. Wouldn't you think that focus on the educational system would almost be prime given the fact that it fails miserably but is controlled exclusively by one ideology? I mean, you can't separate the two, can you? sure that you can, although a good start would be going back to, I hate to call it, because

there's not three hours, right, it's only one, it's reading, writing, arithmetic. But the concept that we need to have people that have critical thinking can read and understand what they're reading. And I suggest for high school that everybody is mandatorily has to read the congregational letters. What do they call them? I misspoke. but the debate that the gentleman had in our Congress.

Oh, yeah, you're talking about what the Federalist Papers? Is that what you're thinking of? Correct, yes. Yeah, yeah. Some of those amendments make no sense unless you understand the context. Good point. Thanks for making it. Appreciate that, 856.

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Then at the last minute, voted no on the repeal. It was his final middle finger to the American people for not electing. him president. Boy, we are paying for that today, aren't we, David? Appreciate that. Of course, one of the other challenges is that so many Republicans we vote for turn into John McCain in the end. I hope that's not the case for all of the important ones, though. We'll talk again tomorrow. Be well and take care.