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Call Bill at 541-770-5-633. That's 770 KMED. Now more with Bill Meyer. It's 11 minutes after 8 Monday, the 26th of January. Join in at 770-3-770 KMED, the email bill at Billmyershow.com. Boy, pretty sporty weekend. We had an emergency nurse or ICU nurse, Alex Pritty, ended up getting involved in a shooting with ice agents on Saturday.

As you well know, it's been all over the news. I'm not going to be one of these people who is going to convince you that Alex deserved to die. I'm not going to be one of those types there. It was an utter tragedy. I know that at first I was just pretty much on the side of what Border Patrol was going, and, well, it was talking about there. It, in my opinion, I can't exactly say that this was a totally justified shooting after looking

at some other angles of some of the video, which is out there pretty much all available. I've looked at a lot of it. Now, it's about whether it's legally justified, but was it bound to happen? I think probably. I really do. Kind of the way I'm looking at this, and I don't know if you have an opinion. on this or not. I don't know how you couldn't have an opinion on what happened Saturday with, and actually it was Border Patrol. They keep talking about being an ICE shooting, but it's really

about Border Patrol. Can we all agree that it's not wise to pack and confront a bunch of jacked up law enforcement people, no matter what your good intentions are? Now, I don't know what Alex Pritties' intentions were. Family of... or, you know, what's interesting is that his family even said that don't go out there and do something stupid. Well, I would argue that he did go out and do something really stupid, just like Renee Good went out and did something really stupid. Renee Good saying, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to block, I'm going to block the road from enforcement agents out there enforcing federal law. Alex Prattie decided he's going to help a woman that apparently he saw push down. by an ice agent and then getting in the face of the ice agent and then blah blah blah blah

blah one of the challenges i have with the federal government saying that uh that alex pretty was was getting really super aggressive is that it appears that what people are calling a gun in his hand to my view looks like what else what else do you take to a protest beside your a SIGP320 and a couple of extra magazines loaded. He has the cell phone in his hand. It looks like a cell phone in his hand. I know some are claiming that it's the gun. One of the videos that I shared on my Facebook page over the weekend,

and by the way, my Facebook Live is down this morning for some reason. The camera will not operate, so I'm sorry. I'm not going to be able to do a live video feed today. But be that as it may, one of the videos that I saw tend to make a it looked like one of the agents had stripped Prattie's firearm away from him shortly before the gun, gun, gun, and then blam, blam, blam, blam, and he ends up being dead. But I still want to go back to whose hands are bloody this morning. And maybe that's what we can talk about it.

I'd be happy to take your calls. Whose hands do you think are bloodiest when it comes to what's going on with the Border Patrol and ice over the weekend? and the border patrol the ice in general. And I would dare say it is the so-called, quote-unquote, progressive leaders of Minneapolis. It's criminal for these leftist hive mine leaders like Tim Walz. To be talking about and encouraging this, come on, put your bodies on the line against ICE, against ICE, rather, right? That's the kind of talk that you're hearing from the leftist hive mine. I assure you that the leftist hive mind leaders, they have no intent of putting their bodies on the line.

So they're hoping that their idiot foot soldiers will do this. I will also add that I think that Washington, D.C., the officials from Border Patrol, in my opinion, they smeared the victim of this shooting. I'm not saying it's a bad shoot, but it's sure looking, it's looking sketchy, all right? and of course they were setting him up as some super criminal trying to take them down. I thought that's light. It's almost like there's this battle for narrative control going on right now. You know what I'm getting at? Everyone's battling for their control of the narrative.

He had the administration and Border Patrol and ICE that are all saying, hey, these brave men that are out there and they're doing their thing and in very difficult situation. And by the way, it is a very difficult situation. They are essentially in a war zone. And so I go back to Pretty, the nurse, and, of course, we heard more news coverage over the last couple of days about Alex Pretty being a nurse,

oh, a caring nurse, caring for people than we ever heard about all the illegal alien dirtbags that went after the Lake and Rilies of this world, killed them, murder them, raped then. We never hear those kind of stories. But, oh, boy, we hear about the ICU nurse, the Minneapolis man. And by the way, it's a tragedy that he's dead.

He really shouldn't be dead today. But I will still repeat, I'll go back to it. What do we think is going to happen? There are really good ways to not get shot and killed by the cops. I swear what maybe what the white liberals need to be doing is is playing that old comedy routine from Chris Rock when you're talking about how not to get your buck kicked by the police remember that one now of course that was done about

you know Chris Rock doing it from the point of view that only blacks have to worry about police encounters that's not true everybody does but still it's not a great idea to pack and confront a bunch of jacked up officers at any time No matter what your good intentions. It's not a shield. Your morality is not a shield for your stupidity.

And then you have the leaders in Minneapolis. Go out there, get on the line, put your bodies on the line against ice. But nothing happens to them, right? And then you have D.C. lying about it also. I don't know what the real intentions were of Alex. But still, you can see what's going on here. that we're still dealing with essentially a Marxist revolution. It was in slow motion, and I think it's getting faster and faster all the time.

I want to remind you that President Trump was elected on deporting 10 million illegal aliens, at least led in by the last guy, okay? And the way I'm looking at this is that just as a matter of mathematics, just the nature of law enforcement encounters in general, the more of these that you have, the greater the opportunity, you're going to have some bad ones. And this may have been one of those bad ones.

I don't know yet. Some of the videos that I watched may be questioned whether Alex was actually armed at the time that he was shot. He was certainly resisting, though. But of course, I don't know if you're being hit in the head. Do you just relax if you're being hit in the head? I don't know.

It's, um, I want to be fair about all of this. I really do. But still, like I mentioned, just the nature of law enforcement encounters in general, the more of them you have, the more potentially bad ones you have, too. That's just the way it goes. People are human. President Trump was elected to get rid of a whole bunch of illegal aliens.

And I think we've got to be honest with ourselves is that there's no. way that, you know, you can sit around here and reverse course from this and then say, hey, we're going to let these 10 million stay. I don't think that's going to pencil in where our country is going these days. I also think there's no way you can deport 10 million or more, all these illegal third worlders, without it getting very ugly. I'm not excusing the police behavior, which may or may not have happened. I'm talking about, you know, Border Patrol, ICE agents, whatever it is. But I'm looking at this through the lens of incredible pressure, squeezing on everyone on all sides in these urban hive mines, Portland, Minneapolis, places like that.

And I think the part that bothers me most of all is that this doesn't feel organic. This feels scripted and directed. Why? And by whom? Now we have Antifa on the line, apparently going to GoFund Me. And we're going to have a proletariat showing up in Minneapolis. President Trump on one of the news shows last night talking about, well, yeah, the agents may be leaving Minneapolis at some point. He wasn't giving a date on when.

But we have liberal cities, urban hive mines, essentially in soft to hardening open rebellion against, federal government authority. And that's what I'm concerned most of. That's what I'm most concerned about. And as far as I'm concerned, get the Insurrection Act, lock them down for right now. Lock it down, cool it down. And let's stop our so-called peaceful protests that aren't looking so good at the moment. That's kind of where I'm going.

It's going to be ugly to get rid of 10 million people who never should have been invited in here in the first place. and I don't think it's up to Tim Walz. I don't think it's up to fry the mayor or anybody else to decide what our immigration policy is going to be. It's not up to the mayor of Portland. It's not up to the mayor of Talent or the mayor of Ashland or the mayor of grants, passer, mayor, anywhere else. It's not up to them. President Trump was elected to do a job. This is the one job that he's been actually doing pretty well.

and I'll be talking with Dr. John Lott about this because they're always saying, oh, you know, Obama actually deported more. That's a lie. But, of course, I'm getting used to hearing lies from the TV and various other things. But I'm just thinking it's going to be ugly. And there's going to be a certain amount of ugly here.

I'm not excusing what the Border Patrol agents did. This is looking sketchy. But on the other hand, it's chaotic. and things happen in a fraction of a second. Deporting 10 million takes serious people. You know, you're not going to have a happy officer-friendly involved in this. It's kind of how I see it. We can talk about it if you wish, 770-K-M-ED-7705633.

Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? This is James and Selma. Hello, James. What do you think in this morning? Yeah, there's an article on Gateway Pundit about signal chat, was, it's like a dispatch for these protesters. So they phone in and they give where ICE is. And it was, it's like 20 and all the protesters can show up. And both of the people that were killed were.

Senator Lawrence, they're being encouraged and directed here. And by the way, I believe it that was a state Senate candidate who was involved with with Governor Walsh. Isn't that true? Right. One of his staffers. Yeah. And then there's some in-olds, and the list goes on and on of promoting the people to go there, and then that happens. And if I was a camera would spook me to, is that a gun or is that a camera,

I would not, I can't make that quick dissipods. There's the people have in their hands. Yeah, the bottom line here is, is that the cop, yeah, the cop or the officer has to be 100% right every time, I guess, and 100% right every time is not a possibility, unfortunately. It, I cannot, I feel very badly that the guy got killed. I really do. But I also say, what an idiot at the same time. And I can feel both ways at the same time. You were an absolute moron.

And by the way, you know, taking a SIGP-320 in that is arguably one of those pistols, which has a tendency to go off by itself, I don't know how wise that is either. You'll be taking that. And I know that people will talk about what he didn't have his ID with him or he didn't have his concealed permit with him, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, does that mean it's okay to shoot him, though, right? And I did hear the numbers that, like you mentioned, about Obama. there was 3 million immigrants that he deported, and then there was 59 in his watch. I don't know if that's the right numbers or not.

Yeah, well, the numbers have been fudged a bit. I'll talk with Dr. Lott about that here in a few minutes. Let me grab another call. Thanks, James. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hello.

Good morning. Good morning. It's deplorable Patrick, Bill. Good morning, sir. Hi, DP. What are you thinking? Well, I'm thinking mostly like you are. Now, I didn't hear this idiot walls, Governor Idiot say, get out there and put your body in between them.

Oh, no, I don't say that he necessarily did that, but that has been the overall, I'm paraphrasing, that's overall. And there have been some people, some officials in Minneapolis that have said that. I'm not saying about Governor Walls. I don't want to, you know, put words in his mouth. But he's been about getting people out there and protesting ICE. and this is a law enforcement action which is going on right now. And, you know, even when Medford cops and Grantsbass cops and Ashland cops and everybody, you know, even when they're going out and doing law enforcement thing,

the best thing to do is probably step back from that when it's going on. All right? Can we agree on that much? We agree on that. And, you know, I had commented the same way when Renee Good was shot. She put herself in the middle of a, she has half the blame. for this or more. And you don't just block the road. I don't care who you are. You don't get to block the road. And whoever told people, get out there and put your body, there's a word for that. That's called incitement. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for the call, Patrick. It's a good one, too. 770KMED. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Hello.

Good morning, Bill. Hey, Tom. You know, I'm thinking a lot about the mindset of all the protesters. And I think what's really fueling this communist revolution, revolt, if you will, going across the country, is we as the American people have been lied to by the mainstream news for decades, going all the way back to Kennedy and so forth, up to our present time of COVID and global warming and so forth. And, you know, we have all these NPR sob stories about Jose Gonzalez and his family just being ripped out of wherever they are and exported back to Mexico. But you're not hearing stories about literally the thousands of victims of illegal crime here in America. It's all one-sided. And so the people that are protesting in Milwaukee, they have a certain worldview that's been very distorted by massive, massive line by the mainstream news. And we were lied here locally. We saw it with COVID, you know, that we were told on local TV that the main people in the hospital were the unvaccinated, flat out lie. And so we're being lied to.

And this is kind of the, to me, the core basis of what's going on here in the whole country. Lies from all sides, I guess, is really what you're saying. Well, yeah, I'm talking about the lies from our government. They're very much into it. And I always say that if you don't have correct information, you cannot make good decisions. And so that's kind of where we're at. Well, who do you think is in, who do you think benefits most from pushing the protest? Who benefits from this by pushing the protests, the conflicts, and the chaos?

Who benefits from that? Well, I, you know, look back at, I mean, look at our country. I see our country as basically an oligarchy. I think it's a fascist bankers at the top that keep the plebs. squabbling among themselves while they manipulate. I mean, think about a $38 trillion debt. And do you ever see anything in the newspaper how inflation is robbing ordinary families? You know, to your point here, you know, essentially what we're looking at, what we're witnessing

right now with gold, I think gold is over 40, was it 4,600 or 50? It's over 5,000. Over 5,000 this morning. silver over 109 for a while. I don't know where it is. I haven't checked it recently, but it's like we're looking at a detonation of the financial system right now. And at least that's kind of what it's looking like to me. I'm not talking about like we're going to be Zimbabwe or something like that. But I don't know, President Trump has wanted a lower dollar. Maybe this is part of his plan on getting it. Who knows? Yeah, but so who is behind all this line and everything?

And I always trace it back to the big money. You know, these people in Milwaukee and across the globe here, they're not realizing that they're being financed by the very people that they think that they're protesting against. That's a very interesting point here. Tom, thanks for making it, too. It's 632. I just realized it's running a little bit late here.

I'm going to catch up on the rest of the news here in just a moment. Dr. John Lott is going to be talking with me about deportation too. Thank you, Tom. And we'll have more of your calls also on the Bill Meyer show. Picture it. A backyard party. The grill is hot and your friends are swimming in your newly heated pool. Thank goodness you chose Fitzgerald gas services to install the gas line for your pool heater and fire pit.

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Hi, I'm Charlene, owner of American Industrial Door, and I'm on 106.7 KMED. Brian's in Grands Pass. Hey, Brian, how do that go with the anti-ice protest? I know that Rogue Indivisible was working it in Grants Pass Saturday, and in talent, there was ORD2 Indivisible out there doing the same thing. What happened? Well, yeah, it was all organizing. by Matt Spurlock, and I watched this little clip on K-O-B-I.

That was completely lies. First of all, it was not 300 people there, maybe 100. Some of the signs were extremely radical, in my opinion, as far as what they said about murdering ice and things like that. It's just a lot of crazy people. and there was a big bus down one of the side streets. It brings people there, so they're not even from Grants Pass. The other problem I wanted people to hear about is almost every night now, since before the Saturday event, and last night,

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He did it on the whole side of the YMCA building where the fairgrounds is. These people, I don't know what they're trying to do here, but we don't need this here in southern Oregon. We really don't. All right. I appreciate the report. Thanks for letting us know. You take care.

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Meadee, and you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. 20B4-7, we're proud to have Dr. John Lott, Jr., economist, and world-recognized expert on guns and crime here. And, of course, he founded the Crime Prevention Research Center. That is Crimresearch.org. You'll catch up and get the real evidence-based response to crime statistics, things like that. Dr. Lott, it's a pleasure having you on. Welcome, sir. Oh, that's great to talk to you.

Well, before we actually get into the deportation statistics, and you really dug and did a deep dive on this here, what is your overall impression with the way things were covered and perhaps even how crime or not crime was being reported in Minneapolis over the weekend with what happened with the ICU nurse who ended up being shot by Border Patrol agents from the looks? Any thoughts on that? your overall impression? Right.

Well, I think local authorities, the mayor, the governor there, have real responsibility for what's happened because police had been ordered, a National Guard have been ordered not to help and protect the ICE agents that are there. And so you have people who are interfering with officers' actions. you have individuals there who are refusing to obey lawful orders that they have been given. And, you know, you have these conflicts shouldn't even be taking place, you know, whether it be the Renee good situation or whether it be the case that happened on Saturday. You know, it's the number of attacks on ICE agents has just escalated. In fact, I think there was one crazed leftist protest or what bit a part of the finger off of one ICE agent's hand.

Isn't that true? Yeah, sure. No, it's just amazing. You have car attacks on ICE agents have gone up worth 3,200 percent higher last year. than they were the year before. You have about 8,000% surge in death threats against ICE agents. You know, their job is difficult enough as it is. But having to deal with kind of these organized people that go and alert illegals

that the ICE agents are going to be in a certain situation. I mean, there was a story that Vice President Vance provided about how Ice agents had gone to get something to eat. A mob had been alerted that the ice agents were there. They descended on the restaurant. And police refused to show up to protect the ice agents who were trapped inside the restaurant. You have a hotel that ice agents were in. This is something that the news reported generally.

The mob showed up when they heard that ice agents were staying. there at the hotel. Of course, they're yallying and screaming and trying to make it so that ICE agents can't sleep. But they trashed the hotel that the ICE agents were staying at. And, you know, it shouldn't get to that situation. People should know that there'll be legal consequences if they do that and that the police should hopefully, you know, I have no problem with people demonstrating. I have no problem with people protesting. But there is a big, bright line that they're crossing when they actually go and interfere with law enforcement and refuse to follow the orders of those that they're given. And worst of all, there seems to be

not necessarily tacit, but active encouragement from the governor of Minnesota, the mayor of Minneapolis. It seems to be coming from a whole bunch of people. you know, like encouraging this. In fact, where's the effect of, you know, put your bodies on the line? And, well, if you're going to put your bodies on the line in the middle of law enforcement, there's a pretty darn good chance that things could go bad. I mean, just because they are doing so many law enforcement actions, in fact, that's what you wrote about in one of your most recent pieces,

that Obama's not the king of deportation so far. That's what we hear so often in the regular cartel media, don't we? Yeah, the media is just crazy on this stuff in terms of, you know, the Democrats clearly have a playbook that they're coordinated in terms of their saying, saying that having ICE agents are making cities less safe. And, you know, and it's repeated over and over and over again. I was just putting together a list of statements from everybody from the Attorney General in Arizona to members of Congress, you know, from Washington State all the way across the country. Obviously, the mayor in Minneapolis and St. Paul, as well as the governor there in Minnesota made similar statements. And, you know, to me, the irony is look at the crime data for this last year. We've had the largest, it looks like the final data is not in yet, but at least through October,

it looks like we had the largest percentage drop in murder rates ever recorded in U.S. history. And it's very likely that we'll have the lowest murder rates ever recorded. The previous low murder rate was about 4.5 per 100,000 people. It looks like we'll be under four, it will be like 3.9 something in terms of the murder rate. We've never had anything even remotely that close since we've been collecting the data for over 100 years. So I guess the question then comes, well, what would trigger such a dramatic drop in the murder and crime rate? And the only difference really between a year ago and the end of last year was that there's been this massive hundreds of thousands of people being deported, especially out of some pretty violent inner cities. Would that be a fair assessment?

You're looking at the stats? Well, I think there are multiple things that happen, but surely concentrating on deporting illegals with criminal records. I mean, 70% of the ones that have been detained had criminal records, either convicted or charged with crimes. The media, even when they report that, they refuse to include the people who were charged with crimes or people who were convicted or charged with crimes in their home countries. They only seem to count a criminal record as a.

individuals who have been convicted in the United States of violent crimes. Oh, so they'll ignore the violent crimes from the countries they came from when they came here. Exactly. Even if they've been convicted in those countries of heinous violent crimes. And, you know, so, but, you know, the media, so we have this huge drop in murder rates, the lowest ever recorded. And my guess is we're going to see a huge, when the final data comes out in September, we're going to see a huge drop in violent crimes across the board.

I mean, just compare this to the Biden administration during the four years of the Biden administration, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics, serious violent crime increased by 59%. That's the largest percentage increase over any four-year period since that data was collected. And wasn't this also during the period in which, there was a lot of defund the police and or let's get some George Soros-style prosecutors, you know, elected. We had all those things, and we also had this huge surge in the legal aliens coming into the country. And so, you know, to me, it's not rocket science, as you know, I've talked about many times.

You have to make it risky for criminals to go and commit crimes with higher arrest rates, higher conviction rates, longer prison sentences, but also letting them. victims be able to go and defend themselves. And, you know, here we have a situation where obviously the opposite was occurring in all those different dimensions during the four years of the Biden administration. But my guess is Trump, by not only deporting criminal or illegal aliens, people who have committed crimes, violent crimes in the United States primarily, but also, even the illegals that you haven't caught don't want to get deported.

And so the normal crimes that they would be committed, they want to keep off a police radar because in many parts of the country, if you get picked up in charge, ICE officers will be waiting there at the county courthouse to go and take you into custody when you're charged with crimes. And so they don't want to be picked up by the police. and how do you keep from staying off police radar? You don't commit crimes. Yeah, behave yourself.

Yeah, behave yourself more. Dr. John Lott, once again, is the founder of the Crime Prevention Research Center, crimeresearch.org. Now, new post, New York Post article that you are part of here. And just how much more enforcement, and what is maybe the distortion of Obama's record when it comes to, when it comes to deportation and getting people out of the country. I was wondering if you could contrast the two because you've done this article here.

And by the way, apparently Grock and other AI thinks you're pretty darn truthful on it overall. What do you say? Well, thanks. Well, again, there's a lot of misinformation in the media. You'll see things that 170 Americans were detained by ICE last year during the Trump administration. What they ignore is that over 130 of those were detained because they had attacked or interfered with ICE operations. So the Americans had committed crimes, which is, and that's the reason why they were picked up. So they weren't picked up for being illegal aliens.

They were picked up for committing their crimes of interfering with the agents, right? And so they'll say, oh, look at these Americans who have been arrested, right? That kind of thing? Right. Right. So there have been 40 who have been detained. But the problem that you have there is that, first of all, you have to compare that to the 600,000 detainees overall. So you're talking about, you know, something like 0.006, 7%, you know, just tens of thousands.

It's like one accidentally detained for every 14,900 people that. you detained. But the problem is also those who were detained like that, that 40, most of those were just like held for a few hours while they're being checked. You have a few that were more than for a day. And only literally three were detained for more than 48 hours. And as you say, in order to evaluate this, because when you're, picking up 600,000 people, the chances that you may make mistakes 40 times.

You know, it's unfortunate. Well, it goes up. The more law enforcement actions you're taking at some point, there will be mistakes made because there are human beings involved in this. And sometimes there's bad information. That's just the way it goes. But it is not like it is rampant lawlessness being conducted by ICE. That's what I'm getting at.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly. And the thing is you can compare it to the Obama administration. So if you look, unfortunately, there's only data for the last two years of his administration, 2015, 2016. But what you find is that the rate of detaining American citizens as a percentage of those who were detained in total was actually three and a half times higher than it was last year. for Trump.

Then why is it that media didn't seem to see all the problems with ICE during the Obama administration, according to your stats here, doctor? I think you're asking a rhetorical question. I know. I know. The other aspect of this, too, is that didn't they inflate, didn't the Obama administration inflate its number of deportations by another way? How did they do that?

Yeah. So the thing is that three and a half times number is actually an underestimate of the problem under Obama because what they did was they counted detentions and returns as people that they saw coming across the border and just said, you can't come across. You have to go back. And so, you know, those are unlikely to be American citizens who are trying to sneak across the Mexican border. So they would see someone coming, turn them around, and they would call that a deportation? Is that what they said? That's right. Okay. That's how they counted it.

Okay. Yeah, that was a- Trump's not counting. The numbers aren't being counted in Trump's numbers or under previous presidents. When you're trying to deport here, Dr. Lott, and this is something I was talking about a little bit earlier, the part that still strikes me is that when you're trying to deport a good percentage of the $10 million or more, more they were allowed in during the Biden administration. Isn't it just naturally some of this going to look ugly?

And Americans just have to kind of understand that that's just going to be part of this process. It's not going to be, you know, officer-friendly dealing with a lot of people that are willing to go along peacefully. Is that a fair way of looking at this? It shouldn't have to be. Look, you have huge parts of the country where local officials are cooperating with ICE, you know, you have Texas, for example,

they've detained something like 10 times more people in Texas than they are in Minnesota. But you don't see the clashes there because it's not like you don't have liberal areas in Texas with Austin or other places like that where you could go and see this type of interference because what happens in Texas is law, enforcement does its job.

They go if people, you know, it's one thing to protest and demonstrates another thing to interfere with law enforcement. It's another thing to disobey law enforcement orders. And people know, whether it's Florida or whether it's Texas, they're not going to be able to go and get away with that. And so you don't see the types of conflicts that are occurring there. And, you know, they get the job done in those other. places without running into these types of difficulties.

So the problem is not ICE enforcement action. The problem is really the reaction of local officials and the populace to the enforcement action. And it's different in different states, obviously much more violently and anti-enforcement in areas such as Minneapolis and others, other urban hive minds. Exactly. Yeah. Dr. Lott, I appreciate your call this morning.

Great having you on. I'll send everybody tocrimeRiseach.org and also to the excellent New York Post article that you were involved in. Yeah, I'd be pretty proud of that one. All right? You should be. Okay. Thanks so much. We'll have you back and you be well.

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