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Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Morning News, the Nonsense noise of the lastest...sheesh, John Gordon, attorney and host of THE TRUTH with JOHN GORDON talks with me about the cooling of the temperature in the Minneapolis Conflict

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Welcome to the show. It is Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Now, I know that given what's been going on in the news and maybe even in your life over the last few days, there's absolutely nothing in your life that is bothering you whatsoever. Whatever, nothing's bugging you about what's happening in D.C. in Salem.

Everything is fine. So I don't think I'm going to get any pebble of your shoe calls. I'm just kidding. I'm sure some will check in. Hey, if not, I can make up some on my own. Well, not even making them up. Anyway, just for real. But it's a great time for you to call, and we do this as kind of fun.

You know, you decompress and you let the bad vapors out this way, and then you feel better. and sometimes maybe even something could be reformed. One can never tell, okay? 7705-633-770 K-M-E-D. Where did this come from? Oh, oh, okay. This is an example. I just saved it from the other day.

It was in USA Today. And to me it was indicative of just how far the culture has, well, the secular culture, the getting away from any kind of decency. has worked out here. Headline in USA Today, they kicked her out of a thruple. What happens in a polyamorous breakup?

Now, if you don't know what a thruple is, this is a lovie-dovey couple of three. That's a three. It's three people. It's a trio, right? And in other words, a three-way. And this is in USA Today, mainstream news supposedly.

Ashley Asborn. Ashley Ashbourne was in a polyamorous thruple until her two partners kicked her out of it and her life came crashing down. Unfortunately, looking back on the relationship itself, I noticed a lot of red flags that I wasn't aware of consciously. The 30-year-old from Kansas says now. And of course, she has the wonderful liberal big girl glasses, you know, the glasses that are the signaling of the super-intelligence. left-wing kind of point of view. I noticed a lot of red flags. She'd been keeping her TikTok followers up to date with the ups and downs of her relationship

since her bubblegum pink hair popping across the screen. Okay. And she's being given a full-page story in a USA Today, USA Today on a thruple, the dangers of the thruple. How about don't get into deviant relationships? I have a really simple way to not have your bubble gum pink hair bouncing about and being all really upset about being kicked out of the throuple. Don't get into deviant relationships. Go find a nice guy.

Go find a nice guy. Have a one-on-one. You know, one guy is enough to deal with, much less one guy and probably another woman. That's usually the way they have these throuples. Two women and a guy seems to be the most. most popular throupling here in the Grand America Empire. But, yeah, how about just don't get into deviancy? I know that is a really hard and high lift for today's folks, but I just thought I would

just bring this up. So there's my moralizing for the morning. Don't get into deviancy, and life is better, okay? All right. What are some of our headlines here? Former Asante nurse, Danny Schofield, everyone's favorite nurse. said no one ever, she appeared in court yesterday. So it's a status hearing.

Apparently they're in the process of getting set for a larger jury pull, up to 250 potential jurors. Boy, how do you get in that jury and say, I've not heard anything about this or made my mind up about it or whatever. But they're still finalizing this, according to the K-OBI, finalizing edits to the jury questionnaire. Attorneys on both side noted that additional planning is needed to address jury selection logistics.

So that's going to be an interesting story. They're talking about maybe the criminal trial starting June, July, maybe. We'll just see about that. Rogue Valley Times reporting Buffy Pollack's story that prosecutors want the Eagle Point woman, the one who was facing 88 felony charges. Remember all the animal hoarding case had a bunch of dead dogs there too. They are working on having her.

forfeit rights to any of the surviving dogs. That's the latest on that. And else do we have going on? Oregon leaders defend sanctuary state laws in Oregon as President Trump urges actions from Congress. Oh, this had to be good. This is from K2. K2 in Portland. K2 spoke with Democratic leaders in the House and Senate about Oregon sanctuary laws last week ahead of the upcoming short session. By the way, Governor Brown is talking about a lot, a whole bunch of bills that are trying to, as she puts it, rain in Washington and ISIS overreach and protect immigrants. In other words, protecting illegal aliens, foreign nationals who are not here illegally. But, you know, she'll always call them immigrants. Immigrants.

Speaker of the House, Julie Fahey, though, had to say, yeah, what are sanctuary laws or are. about is making sure that local law enforcement is focused on keeping local communities safe and not on fulfilling the responsibilities of the federal government. The sanctuary laws, what they do is they also make sure that the victims of crime feel safe to come forward, regardless of who they are, in other words, regardless of what criminals they are. At the end of the day, it helps us all hold criminals accountable. Okay, this is just utter nonsense, but that's why she's speaker of the House. And of course, the Democrat here. I love this. She says that it's focused, sanctuary laws are focused on keeping local communities safe and not on fulfilling the responsibilities of the federal government.

Well, I'll tell you what, I will love in my benevolent dictatorship that permanently Oregon is cut off from any kind of responsibility from the federal government to give it any money. That's a pebble in my shoe this morning. Okay. All right. No money for Oregon. No money for Oregon because nothing changes until the Democrat says, I can't pay my NGO buddies. There's no money being recycled into my campaign funds. What? What? Sorry, sanctuary state. I don't know how that sanctuary state proposal that President Trump is talking about getting rid of the ability for states to do this sanctuary state law. I'm going to talk with John Gordon about that. He has his own talk show and he's an attorney too.

I would like to know if he has any perhaps legal strategy of what something like that might look like. But that is something that the Trump administration is talking about. Speaking of the Trump administration, President Trump's sending Tom Holman, sent him the big gun over to Minneapolis overseeing the immigration enforcement offices or enforcement's there right now. And I don't think that Christy Noem Ice Baby is. is doing as well or getting control of the narrative the way President Trump would like. And Greg Bovino, the Border Patrol commander, he's out. He's been reassigned there too.

I'll have to see where this goes. But my concern is, especially when you have President Trump saying, oh, I had a very nice call with Governor Walz. Very nice, very productive, very good call. Of course, they're all trying to tone it down. In my benevolent dictatorship, I just would have put in the Insurrection Act and saying, no, there's not going to be any habeas corpus in Minneapolis. No, we're not going to do this. By the way, something which has not been getting talked about a lot in Minneapolis is how the left has totally weaponized the legal system there when it comes to illegal aliens.

So what they're doing right now, there's more or less time I think it was on Revolver News. there are more than 300 emergency habeas corpus cases filed in the Minneapolis courts. These are all people who have had their final orders to get the heck out of the country. And the leftist lawyers are all getting in there, and they are clogging up the courts. They are clowered pivoting the Minneapolis court system so that it's next to impossible to get. even the worst dirt bags that have their final orders to get the heck out of the country, to leave. Oh, no, we have to have emergency habeas corpus. Now, see, if President Trump would declare or enact the Insurrection Act, that would go away.

All that stuff goes away. They get to go home. At taxpayer expense, but still they get to go home. I don't know. You think with President Trump trying to cool this down, backing off, pulling ice out of Minneapolis right now, I mean, I know for politics it looks okay, but is this a little disillusioning to the base or demoralizing to the Trump base to the MAGA base? So you have a couple people that essentially get themselves killed, you know, protesting this, and then you back off?

What do you think? You can talk about it. 7705-6-33-770 KM. At this point, all you're telling the leftist is, you know, all you have to do is up in Portland. you know, make sure a person or two gets killed and, oh, oh, we can't do anything. We can't do anything. This is strategy, isn't it? We can talk about that if you want.

7705-633-7-0-KMody. So Trump pulling out agents from Minneapolis, meanwhile, he is putting the U.S. Carrier Strike Group in the Middle East. Okay, he knows how to do that really well. It comes with taking on Iran. I guess we'll be just fine. But yeah, Mayor Jacob Fry and Governor Wals, I guess they'll be run on the show here for the time. Everyone's talking about the cooperation.

Hey, aye, aye, aye, aye. All right. Is this good news? Let me run this by you. Former Portland Trailblazer Chris Dudley. He made the announcement yesterday. Made it official. He has officially entered the Oregon governor's race.

This is like the biggest secret, non-secret, really, over the last five, six months. He was out talking to Dorchester. He's out making the rounds and doing his, well, should I, should I, should I? You know, it was 2010 that he ran against Kitzhawber, and he came within one percentage point, within 25,000 votes. There is no other Republican who has even come close to beating the Democrat hive mind for governor. Over the last, what, 40-something years, Chris Dudley came to. the closest. Is this good news? Here's the caveat. Chris Dudley is pro-choice. So he's not an anti-abort.

Does it matter? Is this Newt Bueller Part 2? I'll just throw it out there to you because the guy's got name recognition. People seem to like him. I don't know if he's a tough campaigner. I mean, is he going to bring up in the primary race here, the tampons in the boys' room kind of stuff, you know, coming from the Christine Drazons of the world that all voted for it. Well, a lot of the other Republicans did too. Boy, what nonsense. Menstrual equity. I'm trying to think of what we would have done back in the 1970s with tampon dispensers in the boys' room.

I think they probably would have been ripped off the wall and tossed in the toilet or set on fire out in the parking lot or he would have done something, or we would have broken into them, taking the tampons out and stuck them up our nose in math class. I'm thinking that's what would have happened. But anyway, some of the top headlines for this morning. The daily nonsense here on KMED and 993 KBXG. Hi, everyone. Amber Rose here with Siski Pump Service and Rotary Drilling Company.

Grant Money. At Sky Park, we make insurance easy. Hi, I'm Lisa with Kelly's automotive service and I'm on KMED. 25 minutes after six. All the nonsensical news, the back off in Minneapolis. We got Chris Dudley running. And we have Dale. Dale has a pebble in his shoe this morning. It's a technical question. How you doing, Dale? I'm doing great. My question is about your radio station, and I thought I was seeing two different channels on one FM radio station.

You know, the center frequency, I think, is 106-3. But then it says one, on my car radio, it has a, display thing, it's HD1. Right. Well, is there an HD2? Yes, there is an HD2 if you are to retune your radio. HD2 is what's called the Valley. The Valley, it's an adult alternative. Here, I'll try not to get off too much in the weeds here, but we essentially do have two

radio stations on one FM signal. There is the standard FM signal of 1063 that anybody can listen to with any whole radio manufactured in the last 60 years. Okay? So, you know, that's the way that works. Now, there is an HD. HD is a digital signal. And HD1 is still KMED, the 1063, but it's just in digital format. It's usually a little bit higher, slightly higher fidelity.

And, but that's all. It's just a digital one. Only HD radios like your car HD radio can detect that. and then if you were to tune up a little bit on, I don't know how you select or tune on your car radio, but then there's HD2 and you hear the Valley, which is adult alternative music is what that is. And good format.

That's also hearable on 105.5 on a regular analog, just plainal FM signal in Medford and Ashland and Jackson County. Okay. Well, that explains it, but man, I am confused. So if I have my old radio that I used to have, like, and tune, I'm not going to hear HD2 or even HD1. I'll hear an analog signal on 1063. Yeah, which is also HD1. It's just the HD1 is just a digital version of the main analog 1063.

That's all that is. You know how when you tune in a television station these days, how they'll have like K-O-B-I-5.1 or KMBU, Fox 20, 26.1 and then 26.2, which might be me TV or some other deal. And 26.3 is this. It's that kind of thing except on radio broadcast. Okay, you're blowing my mind here. But I'm sorry. Where is that on the real dial, the real frequency? It's 1063, but it's over at 95 or whatever it's. Oh, you're talking about the jukebox, 99.3. That is a completely separate. radio stationing Grants Pass. So it's not HD2.

No. HD2 is a completely different music format called The Valley. And take a listen to it. It's actually pretty good. It's a adult alternative. But I know that can sometimes be a little bit confusing. Most people don't have HD radios, but we do have it there for the service. And then we rebroadcast those digital signals on a translator.

That's what the 105 is. You can hear the Valley right now on one. 105 on a conventional FM radio right in town. Okay. All right. Wow. It's a big, wow. Okay.

Yeah, sorry to confuse you. I hope that worked, but 1063 KMED and 1063 HD1 KMED. That's the talk signal, the main channel. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. I'm terrified it. All right.

Glad we could figure that out. Okay. Bye. You know, sometimes I even confuse myself trying to explain it. Deplorable Patrick is here. Deplorable Patrick, welcome. How are you? Good morning, Bill.

You said, you make me blow my one shot, one call a day in the first half hour. Now you're going to come up with something more controversial in the third hour. And I'll already make my call. No, listen, you can call again by that time. As far as I'm concerned, 8 o'clock is a different show. Okay? All right. I'll forgive you right now.

Go ahead. That's great. because you really know how to stir the pot. They've even got you calling these rioters protesters. How'd that happen in Minnesota? Okay. Well, when I look at what happened with the man who was shot, I don't exactly see him as,

I don't see any evidence that he was a rioter. That's all. Okay. I do see him as. an instigator wanting to stop ICE from doing their thing because he's there to protect, to protect the illegal alien community, like many hive mind leftists are in Minnesota. But it's kind of like how, well, even in the news story I have reading coming up here that Governor Kotech is, you know, doubling down on sanctuary city laws because, you know,

we have to protect immigrants, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I was just going to make the point yesterday, and we ran out of time. If you come at the cops with a plastic gun, they'll shoot you. They don't know it's a plastic gun. And I don't know exactly all the details about this thing. They're saying, well, somebody says he had a cell phone, and then they shot him.

Well, if they thought their lives were in danger, they could defend themselves. And if it turns out it was a cell phone, why was he grabbing for something? you know, and presenting a threat to the cops, you're not going to get away with that. Well, maybe not. And, of course, grabbing for what I don't know, I would have to almost look at that. And it's going to take a while to investigate this one. One of the challenges is that when you're being smacked with batons and various other things, and people are hitting, punching you again and again and again,

it's sometimes a little difficult to just stay still and prone. Would you agree with me on that? I think it would be difficult for most of us to do that. I agree. My way of getting out of that is don't go down there and riot. Yes. Well, that is my way of avoiding such things to, you know, I'm not going to go heavily armed and pack my stuff and talk about Second Amendment, Second Amendment, and then go into a scrum of police officers and government agents. Okay?

All right. So I'm with you on that. Watch from a distance. That's my way of handling it. I watch you on the back row. All right. Well, I'll tell you what. By the way, you are given absolution if you wanted to call a little bit later,

if something else irritates you more. Okay? That'd be great. I'll probably do it. All right. Thanks for the call. Thank you, Bill. Yeah, certain people I'll, I can always grant,

kind of like, you know, the Pope. You've sinned, right? And then the Pope could just, what do they call that? It's been too long since I was a Catholic, but there was a term in which you can sin, and then they'll just kind of give you a forgiveness and forgiving. and forgiving and then off you go. It's 632.

Not to be out done. Let's get to the rest of the news here. John Gordon joins me. He's an attorney and a legal analyst, and I think he's a good person to talk to because there's all this talk about banning sanctuary state action, which I would love. Does that make sense?

Could it actually happen? We'll kick that around and more. You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. 638, proud to have John Gordon on. He's an attorney, a legal analyst, host of the Palm Beach-based nationally syndicated radio show and podcast The Truth with John Gordon. John, welcome back. We talked to you a few weeks back. Maybe it's more than two or three months. I don't know. But I'm glad to have you back on. It's been a while, but it's good. Well, it's nice to be with you. Thank you for the invite.

Yeah, by the way, are you freezing with snow or your oranges frozen in their area? What's you dealing with on the winter storm? Just curious. Now, why do you want to invite me to make you angry? Why? Well, it's like 70 degrees in sunshine. Oh, good. Okay, I'm happy for you then. No, I'm all right with that.

Well, thank you. Thank you. I get a different reaction from a variety of people. No, you don't understand. We've been having cold nights, but gosh, you know, we've been having like sunny days in the mid-50s, the low 60s here lately. In fact, the concern is that we're just going to be droughting ourselves into misery in, you know, in the summertime.

But, well, we'll enjoy it for right now. I'm not complaining. at the moment here. Exactly. But, hey, how are you seeing, I wanted to get your legal eagle take on this, especially being an attorney and legal analyst here. And I'm looking at what happened in Minneapolis over the weekend.

And I'm just wondering if the MAGA base is going to be somewhat demoralized by backing away from actually enforcing immigration law in Minneapolis, is because the story is, you know, Holman's in there to try to smooth things over. This talk about we're having productive conversations with the mayor and with Governor Walsh. In other words, this is almost like saying, well, all we have to do is have a couple of our Marxist or leftist foot soldiers die, you know, in encounters with police, and then we'll back off. What do you think about that?

How is it playing? I think the nerves are raw right now, and I think that everyone, and maybe even, and maybe including Walsh and Fry, two of my least favorite people on Earth, are even trying to lower the rhetoric and the tension. I've watched the video. We don't know each other, but for your information, I have been a critic of police officers who abuse their authority. I am very pro-law enforcement. I have provided through my charity free rent for two police officers and the worst zip code in America, located in Atlanta, Georgia, where I raised my family to help bring law an order to a crime-ridden, horrible neighborhood. So my past speak loudly.

But that does not sanction the unwarranted use of lethal force. And I worked very diligently in Atlanta after the police entered the home of a 92-year-old grandmother, shot and killed her with 32 rounds of ammunition. And it was a result of shoddy police work. She was suspected and guilty of nothing. They got the address wrong, and through our work and the work of others, including the U.S. attorney, those who are still in prison today for their unwarranted use of lethal force, and they lied on their warrant to give a no-not warrant. So I just certainly have a background.

I've watched this video now from every angle that I can get. I think it's a very close case, and in very close cases, I think you have to default in favor of the police officer. The reality is this guy inserted himself in the middle of a lawful detainment of a protester across the line. They were trying to subdue that individual. I believe it was a female. Yeah. And this guy. And he got stepped in.

Yeah, he stepped into that. You just don't do that. I mean, there's some things in life you just know better than to do. The tensions were already high. He went there with a gun. He went there looking for trouble. He found trouble. He inserted himself into it.

And he paid the ultimate price. And for that, I am sorry. I am sorry for his family and I'm sorry for him. But that is beside the point. Those officers did what they had to do in a very tense situation, and they should be absolved, in my opinion. And yet the videos are not looking particularly supportive of the Department of Homeland Security's characterization of the events. I think you would agree on that. And I do look at this, though, much the same way as you do.

there are a lot of bad things that can happen when you end up interfering with a law enforcement action. And I think this was one example that Alex Prittie ended up finding out. It's sad. But I think it's kind of a strategy, don't you? Don't you think? Well, the liberal lunatics are using it as a strategy to try and push back on President Trump and Tom Holman, Christy Noem's attempts to enforce the federal law. And the reality is the stark, hard-cold reality. The Democrats created this problem. They opened the borders in violation of the laws of this

country that they swore an oath to uphold. They created the mess by allowing 10 million illegals to enter this country, and it was for pure political greed. They thought if they gave them an Obama phone, a place to live, a daily stipend, food, clothing, and shelter, and a motor scooter to travel around New York City on that they would vote for the Democrats, because that's the only hope they can cling to any kind of sense of cling to their power. They're losing the argument and they're disingenuously looking for anything they can cling to to try and hold on to their power, which they are in a very steeply diminishing state of being able to retain. But John, if you were the president, though, would you have back down, rather than, like the

President Trump appears to be doing, rather than doubling down? And we are, no, we are going to enforce this. You are in essence, rebelling. You're an open rebellion against federal authority. And we can't, we can't tolerate this. I'm just concerned what happens in the other urban hive mines, the Portland's as an example. What's next? Well, all we have to do is just to have it get really violent, and then the feds back off. And I don't know if that's a really positive development. What's a you?

Well, I see, I understand where you're coming from, and if that is the case, then I would be disappointed. I interpret it differently. I don't think I wouldn't describe it as backing off. I would describe it as taking a pause. Okay. You know, I wrote a really harsh letter to someone on a business matter yesterday. And I gave it to my wife for a, to proofread and a second opinion. And she said, well, are you sure you don't want to put this in the 24-hour cooling off drawer before you send it?

I said, good idea. And I did, and I rewrote it this morning. It's a much easier letter to receive. So you're thinking, John, you're thinking, John, that's the equivalent of what's happening right now in Minneapolis, right? That's what's going on. I'm just saying that, I'm just saying the human condition is similar. When you're angry and people there are angry on both sides, I think even 24 or 48 hours to cool down is probably a smart thing for everybody to do. the tensions need to subside. But look, I know President Trump. I don't think he's going to shy away from

this at all. I mean, he's scared Putin in the eyes. He's spared Xi in the eyes. I don't think he's fearful of some law-breaking protesters that want to cause disruption and interference with the enforcement of federal law. I don't think he'll shy away from that at all. But taking, trying to Turn down the temperature. Smart thing to do. Well, I hope you're right about that because one of my concerns, and I don't know if you are a feeling in this direction, but I more or less feel like we have been experiencing our own kind of color revolution.

I'm not saying it's being put on by the CIA. The CIA is usually really good at doing color revolutions overseas in different places. But I feel like when I look at what happens in Portland, what happens in Minneapolis, and the various other leftist hive minds, that these are in attempt of color revolution to change the conversation about enforcing immigration law and forcing us to accept the disorder as just an everyday part. You know, the revolutionary, this is just part of the revolution, and then the way they wanted to go becomes normalized over time.

Any thoughts on that? I've been a harsh critic of our country's intel. There's zero doubt in my mind that Lyndon Baines Johnson ordered the assassination of John Kennedy and the CIA conducted it, and J. Edgar Hoover carried it or led the cover up. Yeah, glossed it over. Yeah. If that is true, what else is true? We can talk about Building 7. We can talk about Butler.

We can talk about Charlie Kirk. We can talk about so many atrocities that we've seen. We can talk about Epstein. You know, we know that Epstein was intelligence because U.S. attorney Acosta told us so. He didn't make that up. He's the guy who went light on Epstein when he prosecuted him because he was told to. So I think our U.S. federal government, basically is rotten to its core.

And I think there are elements in the federal government. There are fundamentally bad, evil people. And I'm sure they reconcile it in their own small brains as doing what they think is best for our country. You look at Stark, the FBI guy, Lisa Page, James Comen. these pious, self-righteous people think that they are the smartest people in the room, and they're really just a trove of dumbasses that have seized some little power that they can exploit, and they have committed horrible crimes and disservice to our country. But it's not just them.

It's Brennan and Comer and Clapper, and it's got to stop. and the extent to which they have conducted illegal activities in our country is currently unknown to us, but we need disinfectant, and sunshine is the best disinfectant there is. Yeah, but would you agree with me, though, that in essence the reaction to immigration enforcement is a counter-color revolution of sorts? I totally agree. I just don't know who the puppet master's. are. I know. I have a difficult time thinking that it is coming from our own intelligence agency. It may. I'm open to receiving information. Yeah, I wasn't implying that they were, but I've

just known that we already know that we do this kind of stuff, you know? We do this to other countries. My knee-jerk would be to think of foreign entities, China, Russia, Iran, Soros, Those would be my suspects, but I don't know. I don't know. But I agree with you. A lot of these protests are organized and people are paid to protest, and all their signs are identical, and they look like they've been printed rather than handmade. So these are not organic protests.

Many of them are not. And that's why I'm concerned that. Okay, that's why I'm concerned, though, that's the President Trump not back off on this. You're not seeing him backing off. You're just saying that from your observation point is just a cooling and then a regrouping, I guess. Would that be kind of what we're going to be doing here? I don't know whether I think so or hope so. Okay.

You know, force me to give you an answer, I would say that that's what I believe to be the playbook. But we'll just have to see how it plays out. But I want President Trump, and I think 70 million people, want. want President Trump to do what we elected him to do, which is to clean up this mess that the Democrats have handed us. And the blame lies squarely with them. They created the mess, and it is going to be a mess to clean it up. And then we do need to find out who's behind the protest and hold them accountable because they're violating our laws. John Gordon is an attorney, legal analyst, host of the Palm Beach-based nationally syndicated radio show and podcast, The Truth with John Gordon.

And I wanted to ask you, what is going on with Republicans and their voting pattern? I swear that they're behaving like they want to govern as a permanent minority. I saw recently that there was a minibus that ended up sailing through the House of Representatives on Thursday. We had 76 Republicans voting to fund abortion and trans surgeries. I'm trying to think, where is that, you know, where is our opposition party, I guess, John? How do you see it? Term limits, term limits, term limits. These people get into power and you can't get rid of them.

And they tell the voters one thing and get in their seats and do the complete opposite. I'm sick of it. And we need reform and the best I can come up with. I've been opposed to term limits for a long time. I'm no longer opposed to term limits. I know that a former congressman used to tell us that when you are a congressman, the first thing you're doing is trying to find a way to raise three, four, five million dollars or more. And that was 10 years ago when he told me this, you know, in order to get reelected. So you're just saying put a limit on the amount of re-electing. That's about it, huh? Well, that's another subject. You want to fix that? Yeah. It's very easy. When I was a young man a long, long time ago, we used to get a federal tax credit

for political donations. You want to fix it? Give the power back to the people. Restore the tax credit Put a limit on what corporations can give and get the 501C4 is under control. I would agree with you. I would agree with you. I agree with you wholeheartedly about that. Because what ends up choosing our governor and a lot of our reps and senators for the most part in Oregon is left-wing union money and out-of-state PACs. It's pretty intense. It really is.

It's not organic funding. The special interest are killing our country. The Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil, and we're seeing it played out first hand right in front of our faces. And, you know, it's something that I think an awful lot about. I like money, but I can tell you I have worked for my money, really worked, starting at age 12. And I'm now 72. I woke up at 5 o'clock this morning after an English muffin and a cup of coffee. I went to my desk and I've been working ever since.

Good for you. I love to work and I love to succeed and I love the feeling that I get from getting a paycheck. But I don't love money to the point where I will do things that are unethical or anti-to-our-to-our-country's norms, values, and laws. I'm a husband, father, patriot in that order, and a disciple of God, first and foremost, and I do try to live a godly life. I'm imperfect, not saying, oh, look at me. But I'm just saying, you know, when I was in school, a long time ago, in the second and third grade, I used to look forward.

We took turns. the teacher would call on someone new every day to lead the Pledge of Allegiance, to lead a short prayer, and read a Bible verse. It got enthused into my DNA. I learned the difference of right and wrong at a very young age. Now, tell me why the leaders of this country decided that that should somehow be illegal and unauthorized in our public schools. it was the day our country entered a moral decline. And we need to get back to our judo-Christian values. And if it is as offensive to some people, I'm sorry, we need to create a mechanism by which we can respect the sensibilities of other people, but not deprive our own children of a good moral ethical upbringing.

And I would also add, and I would also add stopping the celebration of deviancy, John. All right. There's a lot of that. I was just mentioning an article I saw in USA Today, which is, you know, giving love advice on people in throuples, you know, three-way couples, you know, that sort of thing. And this is what passes for culture in the United States. There's a lot of work to do for sure. Hey, John, I'm almost out of time here, but I wanted to ask you, where can people go to find out more about your particular show and everything John Gordon? Where do you go? What's that? Well, you can go to john Gordon.tv. All of our past episodes are there. And you can also watch us on Rumble, YouTube, Instagram, Gatter, Facebook, and just look for John Gordon Truth. All over the World Wide Web. And thank you so much for inviting me. on. I've enjoyed it. Oh, it's my pleasure too, John. You be well. Take care. A couple minutes before 7 o'clock. This is KMED and KMED HD1, Eagle Point, Medford. KBXG,

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