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Episode Date: February 1, 2025

Local author Ira Edwards discusses his latest MERE CHRISTIAN, MERE SCIENTIST. Really about the battle between crude and polite cultures. Open phones follow.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clouserdrilling.com. I talk to many national authors and have a good time doing that. And I'm also happy to give some love to local people when they're writing books too. By the way, if you want to book one for your book, just email bill at billmyershow.com. But we have Ira Edwards who ended up taking me up on that offer. By the way, if you want to book one for your book, just email Bill at BillMeyersShow.com. But we have Ira Edwards who ended up taking me up on that offer.

And Ira is, gosh, you've been around, scientist by trade, scientist and educator. Would that be a good way of talking about your background? Ira, welcome to the program. Good morning. Good morning. Scientifically, my background hasn't really been professional. I did teach a variety of science courses quite a few years ago and I had a very good education, particularly the three and a half years of medical school was a real special education. But the things we'll talk about now are mainly things that I've studied on my own in more recent years. I've been retired for close to 30 years, and it gives me a lot of time to study. Yeah, you've never stopped studying from the looks of it.

No, I've never stopped studying. I actually have books on my shelf here that you recommend for you. You interviewed an author and I went immediately to the computer to order the book. Yeah, I have to ask you

now, I guess this makes you an autodidact, right? Would that be a fair way of describing a little bit of you? I'm sorry, I didn't really... Oh, that's okay. We'll set it aside. Limited time, all right? You put out a book here recently, and it's entitled Mere Christian, Mere Scientist. More of the story about faith woke climate islam culture and science so this is pretty wide wide reaching it almost appears that uh the bottom line or what you're focusing most is the contrast between

crude but there's what the crude cultures and great cultures. That would be the main theme, although there's a contrast. The book could have been titled Crude Culture. And why did you then entitle it Mere Christian, Mere Scientist? Because that seems to hearken a little bit to C.S. Lewis. Before I began to write, that's the title I had in mind, and that's what I stuck with. It's still a good title, but as I was saying, I could have titled it Crude Culture, because the other topics would fit into that. And then there's the contrast with Polite Culture.

Oh, that was it. It's the contrast with polite culture. Oh, that was it. It's not great polite culture. Crude culture, polite culture. Yeah. I really struggled over the name polite because I wasn't quite satisfied with it, but I couldn't find anything better. Okay.

Polite culture and crude culture. All right. And to illustrate that, our culture is becoming more crude. Our culture is more arrogant, less humble. It's more vulgar and less civil, more deceptive and less honest, more rude and less considerate. When it comes to Christianity, though, what has been happening with that? Because Christianity, of course, was one of the, you know, in many ways, arguably, one of the ways to social engineer society into a more polite bent. Would you agree? Yes, historically, polite culture,

I think, mainly came from Christian history. Certainly a lot of great art and culture came United States, and I'd say that the rest of the world has not been as polite as Europe and the United States and a few other countries who have this polite culture. But yet you yourself mentioned that the culture is less polite now than ever. That's right. It's less polite. It's becoming less polite. And

we're losing it. And there's never been a culture that was totally polite or totally... But there's lots of crudeness in the rest of cultures what i wanted to what i wanted to do to drill into here ira and by the way ira edwards local author here and a lot of scientific background biology geology i think is another one of your your big study points and you were an educator here in Southern Oregon quite some time back,

is you say that a lot of the crude culture that we're dealing with, and this would also include woke culture, especially in the end of the book, you're talking about, it's almost like your predictions of where you think the battle between the crude and the polite culture will end up going. And you said something quite interesting, that the real reason for woke is that it brings in crude culture. Could you explain a bit of that, on how say that Woke's biggest emphasis, I think, has been Black Lives Matter. not toe the line with the political aspect of woke, then they were worthless. Yeah, they were cast from the tribe, so to speak, right? Only the right black people mattered. But you said, though, that the whole purpose of WOKE was to usher in, because it helps crude culture.

Do you think that... Yeah, I think so, yes. In your observations from many years of life, do you think that WOKE is going to be... I mean, there's a lot of talk about WOKE being vanquished by the Trump administration, the new Trump administration 2.0. Well, it's hard to predict. Yeah, there's good things happening. On the Christian side of things, you said something which I think is quite thought-provoking,

and I would imagine it could get you sideways of some people. And I wanted to ask your question about this, and would it be fair to say that one of the reasons perhaps in the decline of the polite Christian society, which you write about here in Mere Christian, Mere Scientist, is that with the rise of science, so to speak, I guess the stories in the Bible are not making sense or comporting with what we've known about the world. Is that a fair assessment? Am I characterizing what you're talking about in the book? thing to deal with, because my Christian associates are mostly quite fundamentalists, and I just hate to disagree with them. Where do you disagree with them? Because I know you're a Christian.

I know you're a Christian, I have seen, traveling around in Oregon, I've seen things that cannot be explained in the expected terms of millions of years. There's no way they can do it, although I've heard people try. And I've been involved involuntarily with a lot of disputes about time and the Bible, and I've come up with what is quite comfortable for me, that people wrote as they saw things in their time, and God chose writings to be His holy book, but He didn't edit it. So it's written as they saw it. But if God wanted to edit it to make the scientific correct, he could have done that, but he didn't.

So we have to recognize it as it is. But you're illustrating one of the great conflicts that we have within our culture right now, right? Follow the science, correct? And, well, there's several branches of science which are quite relevant. One that's of worldwide massive importance is climate. You write quite a bit about that. And you know something that I really appreciated about the climate section? You're right. One of the things I really appreciated about your climate section,

and of course coming from your scientific training about this, is that even the term, okay, i was talking about it this morning how uh how dutch bros uh caved into pita because pita is saying that uh hey it's better to have a plant-based uh plant-based uh milk for your coffee you know that sort of thing, rather than dairy for your coffee, because cows emit carbon, you know, greenhouse gases. And you yourself are even saying there, we need to stop with this nonsense because cows are just part of the carbon cycle. Just like we're all part of the carbon cycle, right? Maybe talk about that a little bit. Yeah, that's pretty much neglected by the people who think we need to get rid of all the carbon we get rid of. It's a cycle that we have had increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, largely because of the use of fossil fuels.

But the effects of that, it's hard to really find anything that really is negative about the effects of that. If that has been what caused this little bit of global warming, then global warming hasn't affected tropics hardly at all. It's only been affecting the northern and southern hemispheres, or places that were generally cold and covered in ice. Yeah, and I'm kind of happy not having us covered with ice here, Ira, okay? Hey, before we take off here, who do you think would most benefit from mere Christian, mere scientist?

Who do you think, who's your audience for this? Well, people that are interested in these topics, but not enough to buy a shelf of books. Mm-hmm. People who would be interested in a Christian view of scientific and political and woke. But I've got a... I'm interested enough to read a few pages, but not interested enough to buy a book on the topic. All right. Yeah, because you do skip around to quite a few things,

and I find it quite thought-provoking. That's why I asked you about the stories in the Bible, and I know that you've gone sideways with some people. I wonder if in some ways that to re-establish a Christian culture will be—because Christian culture has arguably been in decline for a number of years in the United States, in the world, really. I don't say that happened. It's just an observation, and especially in the state of Oregon, you have to agree, that's kind of where we've gone. And we're getting to more crudeness, less politeness, and elevating crudeness then as a good, which is not true, not true at all. And you talk about, you know, that there are truths, and you have to stick with truth here. But I guess where I'm going, do you see Christianity at some point reforming or editing so that

we keep the basic universal truths but make it more comfortable for those of scientific mind? I don't know if I'm even phrasing that question correctly. I'll give you the final word on that. Yes, I'm hoping that people that understand science or scientists themselves will look at what I've written and say, yes, I can believe that. That's why I intended to make what I find rational

and logical, complying with all the facts I know, and still being Christian, following Jesus is my basis, and to do that and still not have any conflicts with science. Well, I don't. So hopefully I can put that across, and believe good science and be a follower of Jesus. All right, very good. Ira Edwards, of course, you live on West 12th Street, 845 West 12th Street, if you wanted to drop by and get a copy of it.

But you can get a copy of Mere Christian, Mere Scientist on Amazon and the various other deals. You'll probably have to get it ordered then, though. I guess that's what you're saying, all right? 845 12th, if you want to get it from me or Amazon is another choice. All right. Ira, a pleasure getting a chance to talk with you a little bit there. And like I said, you do kind of give a nice smattering of the conflicts between the crude and the polite cultures here today.

And, of course, a push for returning to the polite culture. And I wish you well on that. And thanks for having joined the show for a few. Okay? Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Ira Edwards for a few. Okay? Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Ira Edwards, Southern Oregon.

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This is the Bill Myers Show. By the way, Bob writes me here before I get to the calls, and I will get to your calls. Bob Hayworth writes, Bill bill about importing the ag workers there's been a lot of conversation about this and um and and changing this and the deportations and everything else going on and bob says bill when we were kids we worked the orchards i picked peer i picked pears rather lit the smudge pots on cold nights and never saw anyone out there other than classmates we happily worked cheap jobs kids won't do anymore, I guess. You know, I would imagine, Bob, that one of the biggest changes in child labor is that

they're just making it so hard to be able to hire a young person. Safety rules, OSHA, I think would have to do this, and the child labor laws, that they're not getting the experience of working as a child. In fact, I wonder even now some of the stuff that I did in the 1970s, if that would still be permitted. I mean, I'm that serious. I was telling my boss about this yesterday. George and I were talking about what we were doing as teenagers. Now, I'm sorry to sit there and take it back to 1975, you know, when I was just a kid riding my moped over to Tower Electronics on Mission Viejo Highway outside of El Toro.

And I would go there every day, and I was a ham radio operator as a kid. I've told you about that. And so I was hired by Tony Samamich, the guy who ran the place at that point, to get out solder guns and heat guns and everything else. And I was hired to modify Yaesu ham radio transceivers so that they would work on CB bands. Because that was a big thing going on back then. And yet Tony was a ham radio operator, but that's what he was doing back then and yet tony was a ham radio operator but that's what he was doing back then now besides the fact that well of course i you know so my boss said okay we're going to convert the yesu to uh to work on 10 meters or 11 meters is what they were saying back then that's how he was making a lot

of money he was making bank doing that but think about it i was there working with 700 degree solder irons in big you know 1500 watt heat guns and shrink tubing and doing all these other things and i don't know could you could you hire a 15 year old today and do that kind of work maybe you can but i would venture a guess that osha would almost make it next to impossible to hire kids for some jobs but hey it, it's no big deal. Did it all the time. And that was in California, but California had a, well, there was more of a Republican bent on things. There was no problem. I just had to get my work permit because I was 14 and a half, 15, whatever it is. And that was all there was to it. And then I did the same sort of thing when I moved back to Ohio for my

junior and senior year. I was always working in the radio and CBs and installing tape players and selling records and tapes. Of course, even then, my boss then was selling bootleg tapes. You know, three 8-track tapes for $6. Oh, man. I don't know. But, yeah, I was doing stuff that you could arguably say, oh, she would likely crack down on you now today, you know, unless I was enc stuff that you could arguably say OSHA would likely crack down on you now today.

You know, unless I was encased in foam. I could be wrong about that. Maybe not. But I learned a lot. I learned a lot from those jobs. In fact, those jobs ended up helping me be the broadcast engineer that I'm doing now, along with the ham radio experience. Let me go to line one. It's open phones. Let's get to line one. It's open phones.

Let's get to your calls. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Good morning, Bill. It's Deplorable Patrick. DP, how you doing? I'll talk. Yeah, I'm doing okay for a kid, but I'll talk about Jeff Golden, and if there's time, about

helicopters. Okay. You talked quite a bit about 72 today, but before you talked about some next attack he's got in mind, making it a constitutional matter that we have the right to perfect life and all this stuff. And it sounds to me like it's something that's unconstitutionally vague. And we know that these liberals are never satisfied if there's one micro millis nano of some kind of a pollutant they'll put you in a mud hut to get rid of that one micro offensive particle i think that's a reasonable concern and i'm going to and i told

jeff i said jeff we're going to talk about this because I said, when you're out there talking about wanting the agencies to be rigorous about anything that could affect the environment, well, absolutely everything does affect the environment, including the fact that we're alive. We all interact and affect this because it, to me, strikes me as a constitutional amendment for the all total state is what Senator Golden is advocating, in my opinion. I want to go to the heart of the matter. Before KMED was a talk radio station, I wound up listening to that silly station in Ashland. I didn't even know what a liberal or conservative was. I just wanted to listen to something. And there was Jeff Golden. And I heard him say, nobody's coming to save us. Now, he didn't say it was his opinion or in his view. He just said, nobody's coming to save us. And what a faithless man. Now, here's my question for him and other people like him. Okay. If you've never met God, does

that mean God doesn't exist? I'll tell you something. There are a lot of people that I've never met. Does that mean they don't exist? Does God have to operate on Jeff Golden's time frame, imaginary time frame? Well, if he's going to come, he better come now or he can't possibly exist all right now you give you give it a good take on that so now that helicopter since you fly planes what do you think what do you say well i've been an aviation enthusiast since i was 18 which is still about 70 years ago i go nowhere near helicopters you don't but I can imagine if this military helicopter was supposed to be flying at 200 feet at night. Now, I would be nervous in an airplane flying at 200 feet at night. Don't you suppose they might have had a little bit of a tendency to not want to be quite that low in case there's any sort of

mistake. And sure enough, what we're hearing is they were up around 350 feet. And I kind of don't blame them for wanting a little more distance between them and the ground. I agree. You know, especially with the helicopter, if you have an engine failure, they can auto rotate, they can come down soft, but they need a decent place to come down. No, the point is they probably didn't want to be at 200 feet. Maybe they were supposed to, but they'd like to fudge and get a little higher, and they fudged and got a lot higher. Yeah, that's too bad.

All right. Sorry about that. Hey, thanks for the take on it, your take. Let me go to the next line here because it's open phones. Hi, who's this? Good morning. This is David in Phoenix. Thanks for being there. I'm glad to have you here, too, David. What's on your mind? Just about last night's meeting in Grants Pass. Did you go?

Yeah. Oh, good. It was well attended. They weren't really prepared for that many folks. And I'm only going to make two comments because you know it, Patrick and all the people that call in. I don't need to act like I'm smart. I'm giving up on trying to be clever. Just like that school board meeting, it'll go one way or another that i went to with the guy that's doing now i guess there's a lawsuit yeah michael williams yeah yeah he's making a demand that they were that they reduce the restrictions on him or eliminate them right right right i don't want to get sidetracked i'm trying to be very focused thanks um okay um like i said about that meeting, the meeting last night, yeah, there was plenty to get me stimulated.

I didn't need to go get a cup of coffee afterwards, I assure you. But it was sad. Once again, it was sad. Most of the people there were older people. When I say older, I mean over 60. Most of the people there were older people. When I say older, I mean over 60. Most of the people there were over 60. There were some under 60. But most of them were at least in their late 40s, but over 60.

And they're at the end of their time. And they're struggling back like back when we did have sawmills. It wasn't that long ago, but their lives were dislocated 40 years ago. It's been 40 years. People don't realize how long ago, you know, the late 80s was. But that's 40 years now. Let me cut to the chase here, David. from oregon government right now including senate bill 762 and various other intrusions are about essentially okay okay boomer okay older xer time for you to die time for you to go away

we're bringing in the total state is that kind of where you're going here or am i i don't want to put words in your mouth no no where i'm well you're the track, but I want to I want to verbalize it a little bit differently. OK. Rallying around the flag is great for people to come together and see each other and give some emotional or moral support to see that you're not alone. But when it's over with everybody, there's a lot of people, they're too tired to get lawyers, and they're too tired for lawsuits. They don't even, these are just simple. You can be highly intelligent and well-educated in many things, stuff that you and I collectively couldn't know. And that person isn't up to people who are using their tax dollars to war against them. Yeah.

The bottom line is I understand people being older. I understand people being— No, no, no. But you don't really—what I'm trying to say—what I'm trying to say— Then just get to it. Okay? All right. All right.

Nobody can play the long game. You've got kids who were born 40 years ago now they're 40 okay we're at the other end well we're gonna stop them in our schools and we gotta get back and we gotta pave the roads and stuff they're building people just want to get back home get back to their chairs and stuff they want somebody to to fix it. Ooh, Trump won. Trump won. No, Trump didn't won. He's got 20 months in midterms. Lindsey Graham still wants to be there long after Trump. He's going to be a Mitch McConnell. We didn't win. These people can't. They're going to keep coming. It's never going to stop.

Oh, I agree with you. No, it's never going to stop and i look oh well hey i agree with you no it's it's it's never going to stop until they are but on the other hand i i assure you that just wanting to get back to your uh to your chair and watch fox news it's not going to protect you it's not going to save you because yes they are coming after you and they've been coming after us for a long long time all right it's already there you there. You're closing the door after the horses left. Okay, does that mean you let them roll through? No. Does that mean that you don't shove a sword through their horse and them

as they're coming onto your property? What does that mean? You can't do that anymore. I'll tell you what it means. I'll tell it what it means. Instead of watching the next Super Bowl or even worrying about the NFL, how about not supporting Hollywood? How about turning off the TV and going out into your yard with your kids and grandkids?

All right. Fair enough. Thanks for the call. But I'm not that defeatist, though, David. Appreciate the call. Let me go to line three. Hi. Good morning.

Hey, morning, Bill. It's Cliff. Cliff. Cliff. I wanted to give a little more input on that expungement of eviction records in Oregon. Yes, please. Okay, this goes back to a bill in 2021 duringiction record older than 25 years could be expunged by the person going to the court system, no filing fee, and say, I want this expunged. So then last year, 2023, I think it was House Bill 2001 or Senate Bill, one of the two. Yeah, it's House Bill 2001 that did it. Yes.

Okay. So that was a large bill. A lot of it's stuffed into that bill. So they modified it somewhat. So on an annual basis, now the circuits court will set aside without having the tenant go in and ask for it to be expunged. But there are some parameters that they must meet. And one of them is if it contains, if the eviction order judgment contains money, then it cannot, and it hasn't been satisfied or discharged, then it still remains on the books and that's for 10 years.

And let's see what the other thing here. And, but if it's a stipulated agreement, then those fall off the books after 12 months. And the stipulated agreement is where you're having a problem with a tenant and usually done through an attorney. Yeah. But if you're having problems with a tenant, and that falls off after 12 months, so that means a lot of dirt bags then continue to get re-rented. Do they not? That's a stipulated agreement.

That's different than an eviction, what is called an FED, in the court system. And those fall off after five years, and it's done through, completely done through the court system. So it's five years or older. Do you think it's good policy? In a sense, yes, because especially if a landlord has good screen policies, criteria, then they're looking at the tenant. And if a tenant has a clean record for five years, then, you know, it looks like they've cleaned up their act.

Okay. But you see, I don't understand that. You see, I don't like the idea of, for the most part, anybody having things or that we're just going to hide things that happened. Unless we're talking, you know, I understand, you know, you go and you expunge the felony from 25 years ago. But what, do you think most people change that much in four or five years of their behavior? Some people do, yes. Yeah, some people do, but I don't think it's the state's business to hide it from people. That's just my opinion, Cliff. Appreciate the call, okay?

I've got to just run short on time. I want to make sure I get everybody in. Hi, who's this? Morning. Hello? Hey, okay? I've got to just run short on time. I want to make sure I get everybody in. Hi, who's this? Morning. Hello? Hey, Bill? Yes. Bill, Brad here.

Happy Friday to you. Indeed. Happy Friday. What's up? Hey, because you are an intelligent, well-read person, you're going to know the answer to this question. Uh-oh, uh-oh. I hate that because if I screw it up, then I'm dumb. Uh-oh.

No, no, no, no, no. What do four of the most powerful people in the United States right now have in common, these four names? Kennedy, Musk, Gabbard, and Trump. And I'll give you a hint. The thing that those four people have in common, they also have in common with previous President Ronald Reagan. What is the thing that all those four people have in common? All four of them have in common with a previous president, Ronald Reagan? What is the thing that all those four people have in common? All four of them have in common. All right. They all used to be Democrats. They all used to be Democrats. Kennedy, Musk, Gabbard, Trump all used to be Democrats, as was Ronald Reagan back before he was governor of California.

So the thing is, it's not that Democrats are bad and Republicans are good, none of that. But the reason they changed parties is that the same sensibilities they had, which is financial accountability, concern for their fellow man, all those things, the reason that they changed party is they saw they could do more good working with the other party. Why is that hopeful for us here in Oregon? It's because things had to get so bad. Like, if you've read Tulsi Gabbard's story or my story, you realize things had to get so bad that they said, the way things are going, can no longer support this this type of ideology i think we're going to look at that same thing in oregon okay here's the problem though

uh or a challenge with that or a fly in your ointment not if you have republicans just talking about how they're going to get together and reach across the aisle and help democrats pass their legislation because they are complicit in what is happening to Oregon from the Democratic Party, rather than being a true party of resistance, in my opinion. Where am I wrong? Well, the thing is, is the electorate is shaped like a football. You've got the partisans on the right at one end of the football, partisans on the left at the other end, and the majority of the people are in the middle. And the people in the middle just want the trains to run on time, Bill. And this is where you and I know that the current legislation that we have, the team that's in control of it,

are going to continue to do things that are going to make the trains not only not run on time, probably not going to run at all. Yeah, and that's the reason why the Republicans need to not be cooperating, because they need to say what you're trying to do is not going to make the trains run on time. And as long as they're helping them pass legislation, they are giving tacit approval to them. So this is just me trying to be encouraging, Bill, and I think what we're going to see, we're going to see the same thing that happened in the last four years in our country where things got so bad that the people in the middle, because it's the people in the middle determine what's going to happen, not the people at each end of the football. It's the people in the middle. The people in the middle in Oregon are going to say, you know what, we need to try.

I disagree with your thing about the people in the middle, because look at what Woke did. Where did Woke come from? Woke did not come from the middle woke came from the hard left but they were hard aggressive and loud and they got what they wanted for a long time all right just so be careful of that all right all right hey gotta run thanks for that 856 southern oregon hi i'm cory with patriot electric and i'm on kmed i would like to give you a free copy of ir Edwards' book. I was talking with him about this earlier this hour, Mere Christian, Mere Scientist. 770-5633-770-KMED.

I'd like you to get it. I think it's very thought-provoking. You may not like it at all. You may like some of it. Okay, but one way or the other, do that, okay? 770-5633, I'll get you a copy, okay? Now then, before we wrap for the weekend, we'll talk again on Monday. But remember, 14th Annual Wipeout Hunger Drive at Kelly's.

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