Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 02-04-25_TUESDAY_7AM

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Open calls for pebble in your shoe Tuesday, Former State Senator Baertschiger talks Fire Map, Mr. X calls in during this, too.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clouserdrilling.com. Hello, Michael. Let me try this again. Good morning. Are you there? Yep. I am here now. Okay. As happens with most of us, my health insurance rolled over the beginning of the year. We ended up with a different carrier through my wife's employer.

And I went to refill a prescription the end of last week, and I was shocked because I was told my prescription was now $1,600. Oh, my. And I went, I don't understand. It's eloquent. It's a blood thinner that I have to take twice a day. Right. Yeah. So they said, well.

$1,600. All right. Now, so you're not old enough on, you're not on Medicare yet at this point, right? Well, no. I have, yes, I am. I'm 66. So I'm on part A, but our health insurance is through my wife's employer. So I don't, I don't bother with the rest of the part B, C, D, and G, whatever they are. But what's now 60 pills a day. So 60 pills a month of Eloquus.

I know a lot of people who take a couple of those a day. Even my mom does, all right? And now, the thing is, though, $1,600, is that $1,600 a month, or is that $1,600 for a 120-day supply? I mean, it's just in a... That was a 90-day supply, okay, three months. Okay. So anyhow, so the gal behind the counter says, well, what probably happened is your prior carrier automatically applied a discount coupon, which your current health care provider doesn't do.

So you need to go find a coupon for this drug. I went, well, now that's really weird. How do you find a coupon for this drug. I went, well, now that's really weird. How do you find a coupon for a drug? I'm just curious. Well, I'm going to tell you. So I said, okay, hold on to that. I'm not going to pay $1,600 for a drug that I normally pay $30 for. So I went out, got on my phone, looked up Eloquist discount coupon, and lo and behold, I was able to put my name

into the manufacturer's website and get a digital coupon from the manufacturer of the drug, went back into the pharmacy, gave them this digital coupon, and $1,600 became $30 within 60 seconds. Okay. Now, my pebble in the shoe is, if the manufacturer is giving out free discount coupons just for putting your name into a website, why bother with all that and charge sixteen hundred dollars up front just charge 30 bucks to start with i have a venture well i will venture a guess here because the manufacturer of eloquence will see who will not realize that there are coupons available or who is not as sophisticated about it or which insurance companies will just pay the full freight $1,600.

And my question for you is, what is the real cost of Eloquus? Well, that begs that question, doesn't it? Yeah. If I have been paying $30 for a 90-day supply for the last year, and I can still pay $30 for it, where does the $1,600 figure come from? And why would it be justified, since this is not like a good RX discount coupon. This was a discount from the manufacturer of the drug that I was purchasing. Yeah. So what the manufacturer of Eloquist is really saying is that the real cost of the drug is $30. Right. Yeah. So the real cost is about a buck, buck and a half. Yeah. Yeah, probably.

Right. But I really do believe that there's probably a lot of this. They're hoping that not everybody looks up the discount codes or is sophisticated enough to open up the discount code, or else the insurance company will just choose to pay it. And that could be part of it, too, right? Well, that could be as well, but it is just a pebble in my shoe that something that I'm required to take to stay alive every day is so convoluted in the process when it could be so simple. And there are a lot of drugs like that, I'll bet, Michael. Thanks for sharing your experience, okay?

Wow. Anybody else have a story like that? Right now, though, Senator Snagglepuss, Senator Wyden, is up on the... He's talking about RFK Jr. I better go to this. I guess I don't have it. I guess I don't have it. Or do I have it? For some reason, the television's not working. Okay, I'll get back to you on it. Okay, he's done talking anyway. All right. I'll get back to you.

This is the Bill Myers Show. If your home computer has issues, call TechNomad. Here's Bill Meyer. 20 minutes after 7, of course, by the time I got the television sound fixed so I could share it with you, Senator Wyden ended up just telling everybody, do not vote for RFK Jr. Because essentially you will be electing a conspiracy theorist. Someone who is out there promoting conspiracy theories. So my question for you this morning, does Ron Wyden represent you? The number is 770-5633-770-KMED. My email

bill at BillMeyersShow.com. Speaking of conspiracy theorists, I read a lot of stuff when I get home. A lot of times. I read stuff throughout the day, too, for that matter. But one of the most fascinating, speaking of conspiracy theorists, one of the most fascinating articles that I've read recently is on ZeroHedge.com. I was reading it. Other people sent it to me, too. So we were all kind of looking at this and going, hmm, this is really interesting. So we have Senator Ron Wyden talking about RFK Jr. saying, you know, as running HHS, you know, an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist. Words to that effect is what he was saying. Well, on this ZeroHedge.com article, it's entitled, Meet the Original Conspiracy Theorists.

Who might those be, you're saying? Ronald Reagan and the 99th Congress. What was going on back in those days, way back in the day? They called vaccines unavoidably unsafe. This is from the congressional record that we're going to share this. Last week, it says Senator Elizabeth Warren sent Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President Trump's nominee for secretary of health and human services, a scathing letter, accusing him of another of among other things,

dangerous views on vaccine safety and false hysteria that vaccines cause autism. This is kind of going into what Senator Wyden was just talking about a few minutes ago on the floor of the Senate, saying that he's engaging in dangerous conspiracy theories. But anyway, the letter to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. included 75 questions that, 175 questions that she said he should be prepared to answer at his Senate confirmation hearing. But in her letter, she exposes her own ignorance of federal vaccine policy and laws passed by her own legislative branch. Now, this is going back to the legal,

the legal exceptions that were given to vaccines. In 1986, the House of Representatives passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act by a voice vote. Zero had saying Senator Warren should have known that her current Senate minority leader, Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat from New York, was at that time a member of the House and should presumably know that the bill that was passed to give vaccine makers liability protections from civil claims when a child was killed or mysteriously injured by a vaccine.

And this is the part of the bill that nobody talked about except there was that doctor that i spoke to the other week who had a book called unavoidably unsafe this is where the term came from this is from the bill the 1986 bill it placed all vaccines administered to children in the legal category of unavoidably unsafe medical products, which means a product that cannot be made safe for its intended use. Then the director of legal graduate legal studies at New York University School of Law and now chief executive officer of Children's Defense Health or Health Defense, that nonprofit that was founded by Kennedy, remarked on the legal standing of the safety of vaccines. The key language about unavoidable side effects comes from the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. That language was based on language from the second restatement of torts this is a legal paper by tort scholars adopted by most state courts in the mid-1960s and it now considers all vaccines as products which are unavoidably unsafe the restatement opined that such projects

products rather properly prepared and accompanied by proper directions and warnings is not defective nor is it unreasonably dangerous but it is unavoidably unsafe unavoidably unsafe it's in congress all the democrats and republicans that voted for it back in 1986, they put that statement in the law that childhood vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. Unavoidably unsafe. why any body, any person, doctor or otherwise, or politician would dare mandate that a child take it in order to attend, to be part of society, something which has legally been defined as unavoidably unsafe. Think about that, huh?

Interesting little side note there with Senator Wyden talking about conspiracy theories. He's engaging in the biggest conspiracy theory of all. You're on The Bill Myers Show. Home and business owners prefer to... That's DustinKerb.com. This is The Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Call Bill now. 541-770-5633.

That's 770-KMED. 727. Fascinating that we're right back into it with the City of Grants Pass. The Daily Courier article detailing the temporary restraining order granted yesterday allows homeless people to sleep in Grants Pass parks and on other city property for the next two weeks. Vicki Aldous in the Daily Courier writing, the judge granting a temporary restraining order that stops the city of Grants Pass from enforcing anti-camping regulations against homeless people for the next two weeks. Huh. You know, speaking about equality before the law, why should you be able to enforce anti-camping restrictions against people who have a home, but you're not allowed to enforce camping restrictions against people who are homeless?

I don't quite understand this. If it's illegal to camp, it should be illegal to camp. But I digress. You know, there is a special class of person here in Southern Oregon. So because of this, homeless people can sleep in parks and other city property, but not on sidewalks, streets, or alleys, or in doorways to public or private property next to sidewalks. Now, the County Circuit Judge Brandon Thusen said he doesn't like the idea

of Grants Pass parks filling up with homeless again, but the policy and decisions made by the Grants Pass City Council forced his hand. I have to follow the law. Now you're thinking, what, is he following the law that the Supreme Court was talking about when the city of Grants Pass won? No. This is once again the state legislature and the governor warring against the cities of Southern Oregon and other small towns.

The city council's policy regarding homeless people violates an Oregon law that homeless camping regulations can be objectively reasonable. Yeah, I think that there could be perfectly reasonable camping rules. You're just not allowed to camp. This is not a campsite. This is a park, you know, that kind of thing. But, you know, I'm a person of common sense, I would imagine here, too. But remember, the state legislature essentially took what the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals did in that Boise decision and made it part of state law. So this was a choice then that the state of Oregon made

to continue to go to war against the local citizens and their cities. So I think the judge was most likely correct in looking at the state law. This is something that the state of Oregon did to Grants Pass. Took the craziness of the Boise decision and essentially passed a law and governor Kotech signed it. And a bunch of Democrats probably went for it. And I would imagine a few or two, more than one weak minded Republican probably went for it too,

because realizing that, Hey, my job as a Republican in the state legislature is to help Democrats pass their crazy bills because it's reaching across the aisle. Every time I just want to smack people upside the head when I ever see them put out stuff. We're reaching across the aisle and getting along. They're trying to destroy your cities. What are you going to figure it out?

There's a different way of looking at the world there, folks. Anyway, we'll continue the conversation. That's what's going on for Grants Pass, okay? Fire map talk's going to be taken up the next hour or so here this morning. We're going to have Dave Honeycutt from the Oregon Property Owners Association after 8 o'clock,

and State Senator Baerchiger, former State Senator Baerchiger, will join me, and we'll kick around how that is looking right now, too, along with your calls and opinion. News brought to you by Millette Construction, specializing in foundation repair and replacement get on solid ground visit millet construction.com from the cami on wall street the dow is down eight points nasdaq up 201 this is srn news 733 mike pelfrey on the program here hey mike you wanted to weigh in on

the uh city of grants pass issue the homeless injunction that has been put in place by the local judge. What are you thinking? Well, you know, what I'm thinking is the fact that I feel like, and I think you hit it, hit that nail on the head earlier. I think Grants Pass, personally, and other cities in Southern Oregon are literally being attacked by our neighbors from the North. And I think the weapon of choice to me is the homeless. And I'll give you an example. My wife and I and several others traveled up to Salem to be there, to give respect to Dwayne Yunker and Noah Robinson when they were sworn in. And we stayed at the Elks Lodge in the city of Kaiser, Oregon, which, by the way, is about the same exact population as the city of Grants Pass.

And one thing that I found interesting is that I didn't see any tents anywhere. I really only witnessed one homeless person, and I actually walked up to the homeless person and just asked the question. And I simply asked, where are your low-barrier shelters? And the homeless person looked at me and said, we don't have those here. So, of course, that prompted me to reach out to the city manager, and I asked the city manager if there were any type of low-various shelters sponsored, meaning using taxpayer dollars that the city awarded to create these shelters, you know, much of which is being forced upon cities like Grants Pass. And the city manager sent me an email and confirmed that not only do they not have any low barrier shelters, but they only have 10 homeless people in the entire city. Now, they're just north of Salem. And I can also confirm that, you know, being in and around the capital of Salem, I saw zero tents. There were no homeless people loitering around. I think we saw one person that appeared to be homeless. But I just find it

ironic that the city of Grants Pass, when you drive through, and this was, of course, prior to these camps being closed, J Street and whatever the other camp is called, you know, it looked like two huge human zoos within our city. And yet. And what is it about Southern Oregon? What is it about Jackson and Josephine County that all of a sudden just just screams out, though, that the human zoo is supposed to be living here? I don't understand.

You know, that's the that's the big mystery. And, you know, I've reached out to other cities. I mean, I've talked to the people, some of the city management management in places like Florence and Brookings and other cities throughout Oregon. And these folks are not forced to create these low barrier shelters. Now, they do have shelters, but their shelters are being run by nonprofits. Why is it that cities like Grants Pass that are, of course, struggling, you know, not only financially, I mean, we can't even halfway afford to keep our police force in top shape, and yet we are being forced to create these camps for our homeless population, for all of these folks to just lay around and do

absolutely nothing with their lives. Well, I have a theory here, and I think it's a reasonable theory, and I'm sure it's something which has crossed your mind too, and this is about the, well, we've had the activists that have moved into Josephine County, like Stacey Abrams, former campaign person who is now running the Josephine County Democrats. I think they're looking at this as leverage to be able to break conservatives in Jackson and or Josephine County. At least in Josephine County, they're looking to do this at this point. What would you say to this? I mean, in other words, we just bring disorder and mayhem into your cities and keep you all fighting among yourselves.

What do you think about that? Well, I can tell you what I think about it. And I've actually mentioned this to the city and I've mentioned this to at county commissions. I have a really awesome solution. You know, I hate it when they get up there, you know, when people, not the conservative, but the liberals get up there and say, you know, you guys don't give us any solutions. What are solutions? Well, here's the solution. We have a state park that's just south. And of course it is in Jackson County, but it is a state operated park called the Valley of the Road.

Oh, yeah. That state that state park checks off every single checkmark for what these folks want us to do and what they want to force cities like Grants Pass to do. create a low barrier shelter. Why don't we switch the responsibility to the state of Oregon and have the homeless go down and take over that state park? It has ample camping opportunities. It has water. It has showers. It has 94 RV spots so we can get all of these dilapidated RVs and car campers off of our street. And then what I love the most about it is that they love to use the word rest area. You know, they want resting sites, which is the last thing that most of these people are doing. Well, guess what? There's a rest area right next to it, and that could be a rest area for the homeless as well.

Well, I can tell you why they won't want to do this. Okay. I can tell you why they don't want to do this because it doesn't pay for the nonprofit rackets of services. Oh, of course. Yeah. If you watch, I don't know if you watched that meeting yesterday morning and Grant passed it. I found it very interesting that they had a panel of people discussing our, of course, our local homeless issue. And the only two people that made any sense was Brian from the Gospel Rescue Mission and the guy from U-Turn for Christ. They were both on the ends of the, like one is on one end and the other is on the other end. Everybody in the middle that opened their mouth were basically confirming that they are proud members of the homeless industrial complex. All they talked about was, we need housing this, we need housing this.

Well, let me just say, if these people can't manage a pup tent, they are not going to be able to manage a house. And that's just it. Well, the housing first issue, by the way, was started by Barack Obama. Now, in the Trump administration, by the way, was started by Barack Obama. Now, in the Trump administration, they're looking to roll that back because they now know Housing First doesn't work when you have drug-addicted, raving people who are not able to care for themselves. All right. Mike, thanks for sharing that. And I think we agree on more than we might disagree on this one. Appreciate the call. It's 20 before 8. Are you buying or selling a house this year former senator barrett chigger back on the program hey senator good to have you back welcome

how are you doing this uh very white day now how is the snow in joe county so it was about a half foot at my house and i'm at about a 1400 foot level-foot level by Foothill in Medford. What about your area? It's about the same. And my weatherman, which is my dog, that's the best indicator of weather, whether it's good or bad, because if it's bad weather, he refuses to go outside. So that's my indicator.

Smart dog. Okay. Well, I ended up putting chains on my car yesterday thinking that it was going to be bad. It really wasn't that bad coming in because it's melted into a smoosh. It's the side roads that are hellish though in a lot of neighborhoods. That's what's going on here. What about in your neck? Well, and then if the temperature dumps, then it gets, that's when it gets interesting and all that slush starts to freeze. Yeah. It was a little bit warmer, I think, overnight than they were predicting

because it was like 36 when I was coming in. Yeah. And so it was just melting. So hopefully it will continue to melt a bit. We'll see. Hey, what are your thoughts about last week's fire map meeting in Josephine County? A lot of people from Jackson and Josephine County all showing up at the county fairgrounds to kick that around. Your overall impression, feelings about that? Well, you know,

people are very concerned because of the uncertainty. They don't know what this is. Nobody really knows exactly what this means. My take on it won't be good. I don't know exactly what it means, but I have a funny feeling it won't be good. And so I think that's, you know, people are always very concerned over uncertainty, and that's where we are today. And I encourage people to file the appeal. They need to do it soon because they put a short timeline on it um it's pretty easy to do you just go oregon department of forestry go to their website web page you can look at the map explorer find your house see what category and then you can go to the appeal form and it's a fill form you just

fill it on the computer and submit it did you talk much about or was there much conversation about the cease and desist that was handed out at that meeting? Yeah, that's another form of pressure. But, you know, I don't. I put a copy of that cease and desist up on KMED.com. It's on last week's blog. I'll repost it today. But I think it's interesting when you look into it and see that a statute that they use to do Senate Bill 762 describes the authority of ODF as managing state lands, state-owned lands. And then what does this have to do with managing private property lands? Isn't that interesting?

Well, yeah. Well, historically, ODF has been the firefighters for private lands, and I think that's where they're getting it from. But I will tell you, you know, I think the pressure really needs to be put on the legislature, because at the end of the day, God, I hate to say that at the end of the day, the way it works is the legislature has created a law, and whether ODF agrees or disagrees with it, they have to do it. Now, they wrote some administrative rules, which I think are a little bit outside of what the statute says. So, you know, there's some disagreement there. It meets all kinds of objectives. It meets the objectives for like a thousand friends of Oregon that have been trying to depopulate rural Oregon for 40 years. It meets that objective. And I think it's going to meet an objective down the road as a new source of funding for fighting fires, because right now a good chunk of it comes out of the general fund and they would love to free up those general fund dollars is there anything in senate bill 762 that you're aware of that actually empowers that assessment assessment of a of a firefighting fee no no but

the next that'll be the next shoe to drop okay we gotta get we gotta get through. They got to get through this hurdle first. But the whole idea of it nauseates me because one of the things they point to as a criteria for the map is climate change. And we all know, how do you, what does that mean? Well, climate change has been the boogeyman to do every sort of government overreach and tyranny. You know, really, it's become the Trojan horse for everything. Just put climate change on it and everyone's supposed to go, oh, oh, I can't question this. It's like I even heard on the news this morning that they were talking about, oh, the monarch butterflies. There's less than half, and it's going down there. And, of course, one of the reasons talked about was climate change. It's like, no, you talk to people that are out there taking care of monarchs, it's loss of habitat. They'll tell you that all day you know people build houses and

they don't build and they they don't have homes or the uh well they even declared declared milkweed an infectious disease or what do you call it uh bad a bad plant here in the state of oregon but that's what monarchs eat well you know climate change is something that happens over a long it's very slow and happens over a long period of time. So I don't know how you can use that as a criteria for doing this map. I mean, you know, somebody that, like me, that teaches wildland fire science and all that stuff, that's not in our ingredients when we're looking at the probability of ignition and stuff with climate change. So I, you know, I just, it nauseates me, but I will tell everybody that's listening,

I would file an appeal and I'd get on it right away. It'll take you five minutes. Just go Oregon department to their homepage. It's right on the front. You can look at the Explorer map, find your house, see how it's identified, fill out the form, check all the boxes. I check the box because I intend to use an attorney. Whether I use one or not, I check the box. And I would get those in because it has a deadline. And if you don't meet that deadline, your voice won't be heard. You think that a reasonable result of everybody saying that, OK, I'm going to appeal my my map rating, et cetera, will be cloward pivoting the state agency? Anything about that, you know, where you just just overloaded it's not able to really function i call it pressure and and so you know it's going to get back i also think that you

should send emails to your representatives and say look if you don't stop this i'm not voting for you again and that's what you have that's how it works that yeah yeah but the people you're trying to pressure down here like golden and marsh senator golden and state representative pam marsh they're loved by their constituents down here they like this apparently they're not going to love them in the future i have a funny feeling you think so. You know, this is not good. Let me ask you, Bill. Why are they doing it? Why are they doing it for control, which is mostly why they always do everything? Okay.

There you go. And you're losing more property rights. You know, when a person buys a piece of property, they're supposed to have a bundle of rights. Well, that bundle is getting smaller all the time, and this is something that's going to make it smaller. It's going to tell you how to build your house. It's going to tell you where to build your house or where you can't build your house or what you can do if, oh, well, you're going to remodel it. Then you've got to do all these other things. Now, the one thing I want to bring up, though, when it comes to, you know, the building codes and such, if you're rebuilding the house, wouldn't it make common sense?

Isn't it just common sense to put in, like, the cement board, things like that, to reduce the fire risk? You know, it depends. I mean, you know, some of that stuff is fine. Some of it's not. I mean, my experience, I mean, definitely I'd get rid of a kindling roof. I would box in the eaves. I wouldn't have wooden decks. But, you know, wood siding is, well, it's not the best receptor of firebrands.

And most houses catch on fire from firebrands, not radiant heat from the fire. So, you know, I don't know. I think if I built a new house, I would make sure that the siding was non-flammable. Yeah, but this is what you were talking about, though, about boxing in the eaves. What does that mean? Like the attic vents, that sort of area? Yeah, and under the eaves, box them in. And then attic vents, they should be constructed where you can put something over them

in case of a wildfire because when that and i've seen it uh down in california when i used to go down there the firebrands uh you know blowing so hard and you get a low pressure in the attic because it's hotter outside and it's like a vacuum and you just watch the firebrands get funneled into the attic so if you have a you know a piece of plywood that's already pre-cut and it's like a vacuum and you just watch the firebrand get funneled into the attic. So if you have a piece of plywood that's already pre-cut and it's easy to get up there and just stick it on the attic vent, that'll help a lot. It'll help a lot. Talking with Senator Barachiger this morning, former Josephine County Commissioner, too. And Ed, you are the way in on this one. I know you were at that meeting for a little bit last week. Go ahead. You're with Herman.

Well, I'm looking at this, and the only problem that I want to address is the need to address responding with the filing for this appeal. Okay. So if you're filing for an appeal, fine, go ahead and file for the appeal. But you have a calendar date, and it was 60 days from the day you got that or the date of reception of this supposed certified mail. Now, there's two things in question here that eventually we have to hash out, because the certified mail regulations that they say it has to be something in that envelope of no intrinsic value to do it the way they did it so they had to sign a form stating that this document the package had no intrinsic value well they lied then by saying that hermit you hear that well that yeah right yeah so the so the state lied in order to

get those sent out on certified mail okay and i'm what i'm going by is a common sense interpretation of going to the postmaster general the united states conditions for sending certified mail okay now that now the second part of this is the response time. And it is as easy as he said, okay, you go to the computer, you fill it out. If you can interpret a calendar, and most of us can, what does it hurt to argue it first by sending the cease and desist and ask them to say you're violating state law. You're literally violating state law. And that comes in many forms. And I'm going to address another part of that, I hope, in a moment. But the reality to it is, is we look at state law as what? It's a control factor for them, too. There's literally savings clauses built into our legal system that is supposed to protect us from unreasonable intrusions by government. This is an unreasonable intrusion

into us by government. The reality is there's, I've been in a research dive on this over the weekend. There's a group called Pyrologics in the Vibrant Planet. And these are the parents of this mapping situation. And if you listen to this lady talk about fire and what to do, mega fire and all of this stuff, but it all comes down to one thing. They have to assume control of your property rights. And if you can't, as a citizen, stand up and argue for one week, that's all I'm asking, is that people send in the cease and desist for one week, and then you can file your appeal well within the time constraints of it. I'm just saying there's no hurry to do that because you have a 60-day window from when you got it.

So you have to send this, give them this, let the state start absorbing that people are aware that they're breaking the law. And I'm going to point out something, Bill. During the Alameda fire, one of the first responses from one of the most liberal city managers that was down there was they were trying to not allow people to rebuild their homes in any other way than what they demanded. But the state law was contrary to that. And ultimately, it was shoved in their face, and they had to back down from that approach. Because the state law says if you start the process within one year that you can rebuild exactly what you had now starting the process is applying for a permit and if you use the state law to protect yourself

that's the part of it that works so you're talking about the bottom line i don't want you know there's limited time here on the getting into the granularity of what you're talking about here but okay so go to KMNE.com. I do have the cease and desist there if you wish to do like Ed says. There's also some instructions there. And maybe you and I will talk about that tomorrow or another day. Okay? All right? Yeah, if I could interject one quick thing, Bill.

There's three documents that is suggested that you send with that, and one is an affidavit or you could make it a declaration okay well send me that because no no one's ever told me anything about an affidavit i have no information about an affidavit okay all right okay yeah so so get me and then i'll i'll change what i ended up posting i've not heard that part about it all right so okay all right thanks ed needless to say herman there's a lot of hotness i i the affidavit's all fine and it's pressure and everything but the attorney general is going to say because that's the attorney general is the attorney for oregon department of forestry and what the attorney general is going to say i don't care if you have 20,000 affidavits until there's a court case.

Continue. So that's got to come to a court. That's a court action. And that's going to take some time. And I think, you know, I read all of that stuff and there's good stuff in there and it doesn't hurt. But at the end of the day, they're not going to do anything until there's a court action. Okay. Well, then I guess there needs to be a court action, too.

But at least, you know, you've got to keep throwing everything you can at it. I would throw the— Right. It's pressure. But also, Bill, the people that can change this, really the only people that can change this outside of a court action, which takes a lot of time, is the legislature. And they're in session right now. That's where the pressure needs to come from. And it's going to be hard because most Democrat representatives represent cities, and they don't have a dog in the fight because it doesn't affect them.

So if you think about it, it's the Republicans that represent rural Oregon, pretty much. There are some Democrats that represent rural Oregon, but mostly Republicans. So it's a big fight. It's going to be a big fight. Well, the part that I get concerned about here is that the country mouse eventually rises up and burns down the city mouse politically or otherwise and i don't like you know talking that way but these are existential threats that uh the city mice have been doing against the country mice agreed and and you have a governor that doesn't care she will say march forward until we are stopped.

Well, perhaps she needs to be forced to care then. I could see. She won't. She won't. Not until she's stopped. That's how she ran as the speaker. Yeah, I know that's how she assumes it plays out. Yeah. Now, do you think that Gavin Newsom and his incompetency is just going to continue to move forward in California, or has he been found out?

Wouldn't you not see the same potential for Governor Kotick to be found out as the same incompetent ideologue? Yeah, but I don't think that's going to change. I think her voting base is going to continue to vote for her. I'm sorry. All right. Well, one of the people you should be sending that cease and desist to is also to DOJ in Washington, D.C. This may be something where you have to get Trumpy involved in this a little bit. I know he's got a lot of fires or irons in the fire right now.

But I think there are some serious constitutional questions here, Herman. Oh, I do too. It's property rights grab. I mean, that's exactly what it is. It's a property rights grab. All right.

I appreciate you coming on. A fight's going to be on. We're going to have Dave Honeycutt continuing this conversation because he wrote a piece the other day. In fact, you read that piece, didn't you? In fact, you were telling me about it. I went and took a look at that. And if you think that Senate Bill 762 is all they were talking about, it actually goes a lot deeper. We'll kick that around with Dave coming up. Thanks, Herman.

We'll talk next week, all right? Be well. See you.