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Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Dr. Powers with the latest Where Past Meets Present and this morning the founding and early stories of Ashland, plus other news and analysis of the day.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at www.clouserdrilling.com. Eight minutes after eight, happy to take your calls here for a couple. And we just want to dig in things. Dr. Dennis Powers will be joining us and we're going to visit past and present and we're going to be talking about, we're going to go up the I-5 corridor, how more of our towns ended up coming to be, how they were founded, all right? We have Wild Sam and Steve.

Steve, how are you doing this morning? Ham radio on your mind, huh? Go ahead. Yeah, something fun to talk about, maybe an alternative way of communicating. Anyway, I belong to the Care Ham Radio Club, and we have a a website which is carehamradio.com. We're having a swap meet this Saturday. The swap meet is going to be on Summit Street, 930 Summit Avenue, which is the classroom building for, shoot, it's the towing repair company. And I'm spacing out their name.

Anyway, this weekend is a swap meet. Okay, what time? You can bring in- What time? At nine o'clock in the morning. Okay. So two o'clock, three o'clock, excuse me. and the next weekend at 9 o'clock in the morning, we're going to start another series of classes.

And I'd like to give a shout out to a young man named Orion Raines. He's nine years old and he passed his technician's license three weeks ago. Cool. That's great news. I talked with Chris, a guy Chris, who went there and took his test a few days ago. He bought a power supply from me that I had for sale and he was going to use it for his ham radio. He was telling me that he was going in there and he got his technician one too. Now he's studying to get a general class license. Pretty good stuff.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. and the club provides the tests for people. We've got a whole computer system all set up so you do the tests on Chromebooks and submit the data to the FCC. Alright, so give the website once again and then maybe I get a chance to see you on Saturday, okay? I'm going to be giving a talk at the Patriots Conference but there may be enough time for me to slip in and find a good deal. Okay? Okay.

All right. Here at Hemradio.com. All right. And both things are listed. So if you want to sign up for the classes, you can do it on the website. All right. Very good, Steve. Thanks for the call.

Let me go to Jeff. Jeff, you wanted to call back in after Jeff's little talk, sorry, Ed's talk on the prescribed burn issue here. You dug through that big 40 minutes worth of reading you were telling me about a few minutes ago and you found an interesting quote. Go ahead. What did you find? It's called Equity and Resilience, a Case Study of Community Resilience to Wildfire

in Southern Oregon. In considering this shift from management decisions that rely solely on Western science to one that accepts and utilizes local and indigenous knowledge, we must consider the settler colonial reality of our current system. Settler colonialism is ongoing as colonial institutions exercise their power over indigenous communities through policies and practices that harm indigenous s e s So so what so whitey is whitey's harming Native-american. Okay. All right

suppression as mandated by federal and state policies has worked as an engine of colonialism in tandem with the genocide forced removal of colonialism in tandem with the genocide, forced removal, relocation, and efforts to curtail cultural burning and halt the expression of traditional ecological knowledge. So these putting out fires is colonialism. I'll let you chew on that the rest of the day, Bill. Thank you very much. I gotta go be goat, please. Yeah, in fact, we should dismantle the Medford and Grants Pass fire departments immediately. There's no need for them because putting fires out is imposing colonialism on Native Americans.

Just think how much money we could save. Oh yeah, absolutely. Just burn it all. Burn it all. Then they'd be happy. This is the Bill Meyers Show. With your tax reform. 17 after 8, Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law, and Where Past Meets Present. Where Past Meets Present, his latest book, also available at hellgatepress.com. Welcome back, Dennis. Good to hear from you. Always a pleasure, Bill.

Dennis, before we get into some history, I just have to ask you a quick legal question, alright? Okay. I'm reading in the E times over the weekend, Missouri judge finds communist Chinese party liable for 24 billion dollars for hoarding COVID-19 protective equipment. 24 billion with a B, all right? Between you and me and several thousand folks, what do you think are the odds that they collect from the communist Chinese party? Any thoughts on that? Slim to none. Okay, all right, good. I just wanted to make sure, but hope springs eternal, all right? 24 billion with a B, I don't know. I'm sure that Chairman

Xi would say, go ahead, tariff me, and then President Trump did. All right. me and then President Trump did. All right. I like this series when we start talking about how towns were formed here in southern Oregon. They're always fun and last week we did Wyricka. We're heading up the I-5 corridor over the mountains and we have dropped down on Interstate 5 into the city of Ashland and the city of Ashland, it's pretty interesting history there because very sensible people founded that town because they didn't find a lot of gold, but they figured there was a lot more money in supplying the gold miners headed over to Gold Hill to play it out, right? What do you say?

Oh, absolutely right. And Wairika was the reason why Ashland was founded. The reason for that is the fact that the forward-thinking settlers, if you will, had tried their hand at finding the gold by mining in Wyricka because the Thomson's findings were actually built within a quarter mile of where the town is now located. What happened was that Abel Hellman and Eber Emery had tried shoulder to shoulder mining the gold with 5,000 others at Wyricka. They said, you know, this is not the way to do it. Yeah, I'm working way too hard and getting

way too little money out of this, right? So what they do is in 1854, they came up and built a saw and flour mill on a small creek. And actually the creek was Ashton Creek, and then later it became Ashland. And they call it Ashland, naming it after Ashland County, Ohio, the original home where Hellman came from, right? Which was the original home of Abel Hellman. And so there are folks here who spend their entire time

There are folks here who spend their entire time researching on the history of Ashland, and the names that always come up are going to be Hellman and Eber Emery, and then also another one by the name of John McCall. And John McCall, Bill, also tried Wyrika, and after he had actually, quote, subsisted a good portion of time on just venison alone, two rough winters, he bought an interest in the Ashland Flower Mill. And then over time, Bill, he became not only the owner of the McCall Mercantile and Ashland Plaza ran the newspaper, the Ashland Tidings, which went for 170 years before it finally went out of business, helped to find and founded the Ashland College and Normal School, which later became SOU.

But one of the things, Arthur, my friend, that people really don't know is that Ashland has never been this real big tourist destination over all this time. It was the Chautauqua Festival, which helped quite a bit with Lithia Park in the early 1900s. Yeah, now was that during the Great Depression or was that prior to the Great Depression? That was prior to the Great Depression. But the key thing too was that at the same time you had Medford, but Medford at the time was just a flat area of sagebrush and no one up until about 30 years later as far as Ashland was concerned. And then you see what Bill, what really stood out to me also was that the Natron cutoff was when Ashland suffered economically for years, and that's when the railroad which came through Medford and Ashland, when

that happened and they went up to Klamath Falls, it bypassed Ashland. In those days, to have the railroad bypass your town, that was a tough deal, wasn't it? That was a big deal. It was almost like saying economic death is your death nil to you, right? Oh yeah, and that killed off towns and it made towns. When we get into, over time, let's say Jacksonville, Jacksonville was really desolate, which is the reason why it was able to keep all of these old buildings because the railroad said, hey, it's too expensive to build the Jacksonville. But it really was the OSF and Southern Oregon University over time that really brought Ashton

to where it was. But I will, Bill, I'm sure that your listeners probably remember when you go into the 60s and 70s, Ashen was a tough mill town. And what I will never forget is- So it was not the effete coffee drinking, of course I love coffee too, but you know, latte sipping kind of, I don't know, a feat liberalism. It was not that kind of town in those days, right?

Kind of like Jacksonville wasn't even that way 30, 40 years ago either, for that matter. It really wasn't, but I remember an old 1992, who told me about 10 years before, and 15 years before, they had all these saw mills that were sitting in Ashland, and they said, you know, you didn't have the yuppies, quote unquote, that would head into Omars, that it was a tough mill town. And then as a matter of fact, there was a story that I confirmed, which I love, which was the fact that on Fridays, which was when the mill workers would come in

and want to unwind, one logger, if you will, was going ahead and buying drinks for everyone, ran out of money, so what he took was his t-shirt off and wrote down his checkbook number and cashed his t-shirt for $25, which then was cashed to the bank on that Monday. And I was teaching that one as part of the business law course as to how things change over time. So now we do have the, you know, Ashland is home to some 21,000 residents today.

You know, it's kind of hard, it's kind of hard to imagine that that was once a hard mill town, hard scrabble mill town, isn't it? Oh, it really was. And not only that, in the early 80s, I can remember a friend of mine who had in the early 80s, I can remember a friend of mine who had a nice red little sports car that was driving up because in this case the family wanted to move up to this area, that his friend is up here saying, on that little red sports car, park it behind the large bulletin board signs, the signs there, because if some of the people see it, they're going to either tow it away or they're going to scratch it. Oh really? So there's been a cultural shift over the years there too, but that's all right, we get that. Viva la difference, as it were.

But quite an interesting story, but so Medford's Orchard moved in the early 1900s, you right here, and the big downtown building spree, and of course, it ended up becoming the Jackson County town seat. We knew that. That brought it to a lot of prominence. Jacksonville tapered off, and Ashland tapered off a bit too, but it ended up... In the 1920s. Yeah, until the 1920s.

And then that's when it started kind of its rise to prominence. That's interesting. Yeah, it fits and starts because you didn't have the OSF that was started up until actually the mid-1930s. And also with SOU, it really wasn't until after World War II when it was almost closed down. One of the stories that was really quite true was that Elmo Stevenson was sent up to Ashland in 1946 to actually close the campus because its enrollment was around 50. But he thought the setting was unique, and Bill became and started a passionate goal to save it.

And it was nip and tuck all the way throughout. So what has interested me is the way things go in cycles all throughout. And Ashland, only because of OSF and SOU is this type of draw. But on the other hand, I'm already seeing the signs, you know, where with OSF losing its patrons because of its shift to more of a woke type of presentation, rather than what people really want across the country, they're coming into what they think that people would get.

And of course, you follow the money. You wonder about also how money is coming into OSF. And we do know that there's been some large contributors that have come in who have wanted to keep always have going in that the change way that has been putting on less or if that uh... your shakes perry in place you know there has been uh... obviously there there has been a political push within all as a affect uh... i think it's been very danger a dangerous for the long-term health of that organization

to get so deep into politics that for some reason that people who are going to go visit an OSF play and think they want to go see good Shakespeare play instead are lectured about stolen land and then told why it's very important to cut the genitalia off of young children. Bill, I have some good friends that I've played bridge with that I've kept up with for years that have never, and I've said this before, never have voted for a Republican or an Independent. They were so upset with having to listen to political, and they're paying good money for good seats to listen to politics.

They said, forget it. They've never gone. They've just dropped out. And then you can get into confidential information, I'm sure, with OSF, is that they're just continuing on. They're doubling down. They feel. They're doubling down.

You know, when I went to see Tutenoff, Alexander Tutenoff a few weeks ago, right? I think it was Valentine's Day. It was great. Great show, great show. But of course, since it was at SOU, what did SOU no doubt require before this? Oh, you were on stolen land and this is time for the conversation about this and that and the other. It's like, okay, well then give SOU back to the natives if you're that upset about it,

but they never go to that, do they? They never go to that point. You see, the problem is that the administration at SOU is doing a very good job of trying to navigate a state that nationally is looked upon as being headed by a bunch of fools with the things that come up from the wildfire map that's received negative national news all the way to you know that where they had to go back on decriminalizing drugs. I mean, and you see the blue state here is one that people are voting with their feet. And as long as you have this super majority

that's up there in Salem, it's as if they don't care. Yeah, at this point in time. I don't know, economics may make them care someday. I don't know, Doc, but we'll find out more. But needless to say, it's a really interesting don't care. Yeah, at this point in time. I don't know, economics may make them care someday. I don't know, Doc, but we'll find out more. But needless to say, it's a really interesting story of Ashland. I'll post that today and how Ashland was definitely founded by pretty sober folks. And it's so true how often we've heard about people who have made towns and made millions or done really well, not by being the miners but by supplying the miners right that that was how you you were much better off to do that right

yeah and that's what's really interesting because you know we see that these individuals who really stand out would have stood out no matter where they were because they decided wait a minute there's a better way of doing this rather than going ahead and getting arthritis when the snows are coming down. Indeed. All right. We'll talk more here in just a moment. Plenty of ducks to shoot down here, rhetorically and otherwise. All right. Hang on, duck. Dr. Dennis Powers, where past meets present, we'll continue with him in just a few minutes. So, I was checking the price of gold and I know the markets are having a pretty rough day, really rough day.

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I don't know what it is about that. I would be willing to bet that whoever wrote that for War, the Lowrider song, probably made more money on that ad than they did when Lowrider came out of the early 1970s but be that as it may hey doc We have John who is here had a comment on the Ashland Conversation that we were having before we move on to present So John you were talking about what happened when the freeway came through and what it took out in Ashland as part of that process

Go ahead. Yeah, it seemed to have taken out As wide as the freeway is and all the... when you drive through there, it has very wide shoulder or shoulders or easement. It took out the Ashland Plain Mill. I was, I don't know, early teen. Yeah, you said Plain Mill, right? Plain Mill. Planing mill. Alamba and planing mill. Sure. It seems like it took out most of the industrial area of Ashland. But anyway when I was early teen we bought one of the buildings for demolition and disassembled it for our farm. So you still have parts of the

planing mill on your farm today huh? Yeah I think some of it for our farm. So you still have parts of the planing mill on your farm today, huh? Yeah, I think some of it's still there. Well, I'm glad. Well, I see what you need to do here, John. Start a Pottsville. Start a Pottsville down here, OK? Right. What do you think?

Get some of that equipment. Appreciate the call. A whole swath through the valley. Yeah, there you go. There were a lot of properties that disappeared that way. Yeah, and I would imagine, though, that may have been part of the plan, right? I don't know. A plan, I think there was, if I understood there was an actual plan to get the freeway to come through because they realized how a railroad that did the same thing.

My understanding is that instead of that slide area where Mount Ashland slides off occasionally, the original plan, and it's still on the books, was to go across through White City and out Guluway Gap and come in up at Azalea. And that plan is still in existence to build that freeway for the truck traffic to the through truck traffic to bypass. Yeah but nobody nobody wanted the freeway to bypass the population centers at that point John. Appreciate the call and thanks for making that. Actually let's hold the calls here for just a little bit because I want to get with Dr. Powers now that

we're going to take it back to the present. You know, it might be worth even talking about the founding of I-5 here, how that ended up happening someday. Do we ever talk about that, Dr.? Oh, absolutely. It's an easy one to go into because the effects throughout all of Southern Oregon was one that, all of southern Oregon was one that, especially over the past, you had places that were relocated. And of course, you also had the controversy as to whether and where it was supposed to have gone through Medford, which is why we have two exits, if you will, and it had to do with those that owned wineries versus those that wanted to have it easier to go ahead and have their products picked up. Doc, let's shift to our focus here to federal government right now, because there are some news over the weekend that I think is worthy of note. And I was reading this on Revolver and Fox Business, various other things,

about President Biden's auto pen signature that is on most official documents. And there is talk about wanting to investigate this because the implication being made or the assertion being made is that President Biden wasn't really signing a lot of these executive orders and or pardons. There's all sorts of things that could be done. And that essentially the the people in charge of his administration were directing the auto pen. Could you explain the kerfuffle going on here? What do you think? Oh, absolutely. And what's amazing is that we can see President Trump, who is signing every single one of those orders, at least that we're seeing when he's having his press conferences.

On the other hand... Yeah, the big Sharpie. He pulls out the big Sharpie and they were hearing this squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak as he's writing it, right? And what a... it really would be tough to duplicate that signature. Oh, that's writing it. Right? And what a, what it really would be tough to duplicate that signature. That's for sure. To look at it closely. But Biden on the other hand, very seldom ever went ahead and signed a bill by his hand. Maybe it was trembling too much and he couldn't do it. But the key thing is that these were all auto-signed. So when we come in

to give an example of where this is coming in legally, is that on all of the pardons that all of a sudden he put out, including a cop killer, and when you... Well, you could also look at the people who might be concerned about this auto pen scandal including Liz Cheney, other people who were given pardons as part of the January 6th investigation, right? Absolutely, and the key thing here is that with the auto signatures, and it was relatively few that he ever actually signed, and with his incompetence and proven problems with dementia, is that in different legal proceedings right now, although it has not been reported, of course it never will be, by the drive-by media is that they're saying he didn't sign it. They're illegal because

if someone else was putting it through the machine that signs it automatically like like a credit card, that that in itself is just saying that that we should go ahead and have that thrown out. What is the controlling authority or controlling law on such a thing? Is the president supposed to sign them himself or herself if there was a female president that in other words the president has to actually physically sign it or could the president order the auto pen? Now I understand the auto pen being used on mass documents and the cell laboratories certificates things like that that get set out right we get that because it's not a legally binding sort

of issue but shouldn't the the executive orders and the pardons be something different I don't know how do you see it? Well it's going to be a question of proof and because legally speaking all presidents at some point in time have had and have used an auto sign. Trump is totally to the opposite. And by the way, AutoPen is just literally like a robot signature maker, right? Is what it does. Oh yeah, actually what's really cool is to take a look at some of the images of what

it is. It's just an electronic machine, you just put it in and it signs according to the proof that you put in and automatically signs it that way. So you can just see with hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of pardons, just taking that as an example. You know, you can just see Jill is just feeding it through, you know, the electronic auto sign. Is that how it actually works right now? If you're going to pardon free...how many did he pardon? Wasn't it about 1,500 people, I think, in the last count? Yeah, I think it actually was in

two phases. Yeah. But it's hundreds upon hundreds all the way through. And the key thing is that his auto pen signature appears on almost all official documents raising concerns over who controlled the White House because... If he never really signed anything then... It's illegal. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Jill is running it through the electronic machine.

It's not being signed by the president. And the key thing here is you just wonder how many that they have been doing, especially given the fact that Obama, Soros, and Jill, according to everything I've come across, were the ones that were running the White House. I might even throw Hunter in there at defense meetings. Yeah, who really was running the White House. And this is sort of like, I guess, kind of like Wilson's wife, who ended up

essentially running the White House after President Wilson ended up suffering a stroke back in the day, early 1900s? The thing about it is that we didn't have NBC and ABC in the New York Times. They were able to hide it much better back in those days. Yeah, we didn't have that issue. They were just sitting on their hands and we all saw it. I mean, every one of us saw the fact that Biden was stumbling, that Biden had to be let off by Obama from a fundraising event. We all saw it, and yet the media, which is corrupt, followed the money. Do you think that there is a strong possibility

that some, if not many, of what Biden purportedly signed, whether it's executive orders or pardons, do you think any of those could be legally thrown out and who would do it? Oh, absolutely. But the key thing is going to be able to, how can you go ahead and prove it? That's the key thing because, you know, you'd have the chief of staff saying, oh no, no, no, I saw the presidents put it through the machine. Honestly, what you mean is that they'd circle the wagons then, the Biden administration people on the way up, and they'll circle the wagons and they'll discover

for them. Those lie then. I just can't wait. And you see, that's the game my friend because the game as I see it is to try to tie up the Justice Department in every single lawsuit you can and tie up Dodge because if we get the Justice Department investigating like Stacey Abrams I love that two billion dollars man I'll tell you how do you like how do you like that because you know a year before it showed a hundred dollars in there and they conditioned my friend on that one with the fact that they had to take a course for three months to determine how to make a budget all right I'll tell you what we'll do here doc let me take another break here

and we'll continue the talk I want to focus a bit on Doge especially kind of the some of the drama that occurred over the weekend that we're now getting some reports about that before we take off. All right, hang on. We'll be right back with Dr. Powers where past meets present on KMED and 99.3 KBXG. You know, I was telling you earlier, I got my homeowners insurance that came in and he said, Mr. we're so sad to let you know this, but yeah, we're going to have to raise your insurance rate 500 bucks. Okay. All right.

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And did you read that article, by chance? Did you see that story over the weekend? I didn't read it, but on the other hand, in terms of the New York Times, and yeah, I did glance through, I write up on it. Yeah, Trump officials are not denying this either, so I'm pretty sure that this may have been pretty good reporting, but you have fired nobody, Mr. Musk told Mr. Rubio, then scornfully added that perhaps the only person he had fired was a staff member from Doge. And I guess Rubio privately furious with Musk for weeks. And Mr. Rubio said, what about more than 1500 State Department officials who took early

retirement? Did they not count as layoffs? And he said sarcastically whether Musk wanted him to rehire all those people just so Elon can make a show of firing them again. And I laughed at that. But you know, the point being that the reason I brought this story up there is that when the Doge stories first started getting out there with the the emails fire, you know saying hey, respond with your five things that you've done or else we fire you. I had a feeling this was going to go really bad really quickly and for this reason I wanted to get your perspective on it because the whole point of President Trump having these good people like Rubio like Noam like Cash Patel and all the rest of these people in here is that they're supposed to go through it and figure it out and

to have Elon cutting them off at the knees before they even get their sea legs there and figure out who needs to be kept and who doesn't is counterproductive to having a good functioning team there for Trump. What would you say to that? I thought that Doe should have always been advisory saying, hey this stuff looks sketchy, you people in the administrative state, secretary of state, you figure this out and look at it and get back to us, you know, that kind of thing. Wouldn't that have been a smarter way of doing it? Well, I do feel very, very strongly that what Musk is doing and with the fight that's being done by the far-left radicals, especially the New York Times, because the question is, is how much money has the New

York Times received? Bill, I was using the argument that was more legal, that Biden and Soros were buying advertising with the New York Times. Well, the way you, well, it's kind of like the book deals and everything else in which people who carry the water get rewarded Okay, we get that we understand that but I'm talking about a matter of policy here that that Doe should be advisory. In fact, we were told Doge's advisory Nobody nobody said Doge was going to all of a sudden send out firing notices

You know what I'm getting at? There's a different kettle of fish I think going on here and I think it's important that good people keep their good people you know and they should be the ones deciding this. Yeah but I think with with all of the the facts that have come out as to these good people who weren't even showing up into the office and before you see Bill before we had the ability of having these agency heads going ahead and accept it by Congress that was doing a delay game, the only one who was there to get momentum going was Musk. So you're thinking that this is just part of the disruptive aspect of it, but I'm just concerned

though that... Absolutely. You know, all right, now you look at over the weekend some of the story that Doge says it found $312 million in loans that were given to children during the pandemic, according to this. And so, that, I mean, that serious stuff needs to be looked at for sure, like right now. Like maybe last week. Well, also the fact that there's probably a trillion dollars that the far left has done everything to stop Musk from even unearthing. And you see, the key question here was the fact that these people who are now the Department of Defense and Secretary of State and things like this are now just getting to understand

who is in their department. They didn't say one word about Musk when Musk was coming in and taking all the heat. And so when we see words like sarcastic and things like this, who knows? Because I don't trust the New York Times, I never have. Well, but Trump's, the administration's not denying this. I'm thinking this is pretty, this is pretty,

I have no reason. Occasionally I have to take them at their word there. It makes sense because I would have predicted this because you're cutting good people off at the knees if you don't let them make the decisions about their departments rather than someone who is not part of the government making the decision for you. My friend, I'll take a slightly different approach on this one because the people who are now running these agencies didn't even understand the organization charts because there weren't any.

And you see, the argument bill that I'm coming up with, I agree that good people have been laid off. But on the other hand, do we look at the fact that some good people were laid off or a New York Times article, or do we look at the fact that we have ungodly types of decisions made... Oh, hey! ...where money was going. I'm not going to disagree with you whatsoever.

My concern, though, is that Trump will not hang on to good people if everybody else is making their decisions. And that's the final thing I got to say on that one, okay? That's all I'm getting at, all right? So anyway... You know, I'll agree that there will be these types of issues coming up. But when we look at the overall voting in the polls, we have anywhere from 52 to 55 percent of all Americans, including Democrats, they're saying, go must go.

The far left will do whatever they can to stop wherever the money is going to be coming into their coffers. And that's going to be it. I can't wait, my friend, until the Justice Department heads up with Musk and we start seeing people like Spacey Abans and such really paying for these kickbacks. All right. Hey, Doc, I appreciate the call as always. We'll talk next Monday and you be well, all righty?

Thanks so much. My friend, take care. It's always a pleasure and you're the best. Yeah, you too. Dr. Dennis Powers, a retired professor of business law, where past meets present. And you're on the Bill Meyers Show.