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Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Former Fed prosecutor JOHN OcONNOR talks the SAVE AMERICA act. Is this a doable thing?? Former State Senator Herman Baertscheiger discussing oil prices and its effects on us...will the Dems care?

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. On Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday, one of the, well, biggest pearls of wisdom, as far as I've concerned in the legal world, we'll just call them that. John O'Connor, he's the author of Postgate, how the Washington Post betrayed Deep Throat, covered up Watergate,

and began today's partisan abysartisan abysmal. journalism. He served as an assistant U.S. attorney in Northern California, representing the U.S. in both criminal and civil cases, and he has much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much knowledge on such legal matters. Hey, John, welcome back. Always good having you on the show. Good morning.

Hey, good to be with you, Bill. Now, President Trump is saying that nothing is going to happen. There's going to be no money going into the Department of Homeland Security. These budgets are not going to get passed. We're not going to get everything open unless we pass the Save America. You know, the SAVE Act, which would require everybody prove that they are American citizens before they can vote.

I love the idea. I love this. I think this is something that should have been done a long, long time ago. I'm just wondering if our current voting registration system, especially out here on the left coast where you and I live, is so corrupt that I don't know if you could, if you could even whip this to the shape by November if we were to pass it into this session. But what do you think it? What's on your mind about this? that's really a good question. I mean, I just think you can't overlook it. And I think the answer is that it would be some, at least by these elections coming up, that it would be some help. You know, I mean, I think people would, it would make these voting registrars and secretaries of state tighten up their procedures.

You know, in the places that are well-run, that's really always that, you know, the people that vote are valid voters. It's in the bad states that this happens. And now... And we live in the bad states, right? We live in the bad states, Washington, Oregon, California, right? We're the bad states. That's right. That's right.

So what there are is this really is about a few states that are right in the middle that actually caused Trump's loss in 20. I just wrote an article. You may read it about Georgia, about the fraud in Georgia. That's one of them. That's kind of a state. That's a state where it's not a blue state, but it's sort of become a swing state. You've got two Democratic senators there, I believe. And you've got Arizona and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

In fact, I think that the FBI agents just went to the Maricopa County yesterday, didn't they, if I recall correctly, hunting around? Yeah. Well, yeah, for example, America Copac County, I'd just give this as one example. Katie Hobbs was the, I think she's the governor now, as a senator, maybe the senator now. But she was the secretary of state in 2020, and she allowed, she reached a settlement as part of the litigation that allowed in a, quote, federal only election. If somebody says, I'm only voting in the federal part of this election, you don't have to prove you're an American citizen. Whereas in Arizona, you normally have to. So basically what we had was we had in 2020, we had something like 10 or 12,000 people voting under that specific provision.

They identified themselves. I'm voting here, and I don't have to prove I'm an American citizen. Well, who do you think called upon that provision to vote? Well, all these people who really weren't citizens. In this last election, apparently that skyrocketed. I think there's something like 30,000 people voted, specifically saying, I don't have to say I'm an American citizen or not. Also, there were some other big issues in Pima County about in Arizona.

I guess I don't want to get into the weeds too much, but the point is, in states like that, there have been serious voter identity problems. That, George is another one. Wisconsin actually is a well-run state. They hate to say that, but they just sort of went off the rails during COVID. Their voting is actually a little better than others. You only can have in-person voting there. So this may help on the margins.

Let me put it that way. This may help on the margins. I don't know if this thing is going to suppress fraud in Philadelphia by 2026. I just don't know if that's going to happen. Well, we certainly know that there have been some problems. And I remember the classic video of Georgia, you know, the Georgia election officials where everybody was sent home because remember there was a toilet leak or something had gone. You know, the water was leaking. And so they go back in there and start running and rerunning and rerunning about, you know, the same batch of ballots.

And yet we still hear all this talk about John. These are conspiracy theories and nothing has ever been proven. I think they're right about that because the courts did not even want to really dig into this or adjudicate, did they, if I recall correctly? Well, here's the thing. I just wrote an article about this, and I've talked about it, and I've talked about it until I'm blue in the face. And as a lawyer, the reason you need conclusive integrity at the polls is because our legal system is not meant to relitigate an election. Now, there are precise and smaller rules that you can use in the courts, like sometimes you can get a recount and so forth and so on. But in terms of relitigating a stolen election, I'm saying you can't do it because the judge is going to say, okay, you want to contest this election, call your first five billion witnesses on Monday, Mr. Plaintiff.

If you can call your $5 billion on Tuesday. Yeah. You know, I say, they don't want to touch it, and I understand. In fact, I even look back with Bush v. Gore, remember that election with the hanging chat election in Florida? And I was thinking to myself, I'm still kind of wondering, now, you being a legal eagle, why did this even go to the Supreme Court in the first place? Because I remember the Oregon, or not the Oregon, the Florida Constitution was quite clear on this, that if there was a question about the ballots or the electors that the state legislature, legislature was supposed to award the, you know, the electoral ballots or the electoral votes or the numbers, you know, for that. And yet it's like everybody seemed to defy that. Do you recall what

happened in those issues, you know, in those issues? Because you're right. The courts are bad places to do this. Yeah. Well, it really became, like I said before, one of the real remedies you do have is a recount in these things. And somehow the lawyers and David Boyes, the lawyer for the was big on this, and he got courts to start ordering recounts, and that's how it all started basis for it. So then when you're recounting, now you've got paper ballots, which, by the way, is a very good thing to have, is paper ballots, because then you can look at the ballots, and that's what they did.

Then they found out, of course, they were hanging chads and dimpled chads and so forth and so on, as people did not fill out their ballots perfectly well. but that's how they got it done was on the theory of recount. But recall that that that was called into question on a phony theory. I think Al Gore came up the theory that Jewish voters were suppressed on making this stuff. I think it's Fort Lauderdale, whatever county that is. I remember that vaguely. Yeah, yeah.

Somehow there is something like that. And it turned out to be nothing. It turned out to be nothing. and after all it, but then the Supreme Court of Florida made some ruling that, and now I'm really unclear on it. That's why the Supreme Court of the United States had to come up and say it was very much of a biased ruling, had to say, no, that's it. Yeah, okay, I didn't mean to take you off into that one, but, you know, elections in courts are always bad things. They just are, okay? And so I'll agree with you on this. So let's take a look then. Save America Act, if this goes through, I know that there are even people within my family

there saying, boy, you know, how about I prove that I'm an American citizen because my married name is different from what's on my birth certificate? And those are reasonable questions, especially when they talk about doing it in time and passing this law in time for the midterms. And, of course, out here, you couldn't do the federal elections in November by mail. It would really restrict by mail, and yet that's all we do in Oregon. That's all you do in California, too, don't you? Well, yeah, I mean, we do an awful lot of that, and that's another thing. The mail-in system should be tightened. Agreed. It's a faith-based BS, as far of a system, as far as I'm concerned. There is absolutely no, there's no record of custody or whatever they

call it. You know, it's not a controlled environment where these ballots go at all. chain of custody. You don't have to be in custody. And you're right. And these things, the bipartisan Jimmy Carter Commission, Erskine Bowles, Jimmy Carter, I'm trying to think who else was on it, but it was a very, a dust panel that studied voting and said, the biggest danger to our democracy is mail-in voting. That's the thing. And many countries don't allow it. And they don't allow it. And Europe now. And every, we always look to Europe as being so sophisticated. They don't allow this mail-in voting. You really, what you really need, you need same day, or I would say two or three day voting to keep for people who have to work, two or three in-person voting. And if you do get an

absentee ballot, you know, you've got to sign your life away. And that's what it used to be. And it was very, very tough to get an absentee ballot. And so now we've just set up. Oh, no. That's, that's, we don't want voter suppression. Everybody can get an absolute ballot. And that's, of course, what caused everything in 2020 with COVID. Yeah, it's been so Lucy Goosey. What do you think, though, about, see, many, and this is where I'm wondering about if Republicans end up kind of shooting themselves in the foot or potentially could be this fall, if, if they end up passing the Save Act, and maybe I'm wrong about this. But the one thing about the, about the Republicans, Republican voters tend to be trend.

a little older, all right? Now, the problem with trending older, many of them may be in nursing homes in some cases, if you're some of the older people, older boomers and older greatest generation, et cetera, et cetera. And if all of a sudden you're telling everybody, they have to go down and re-register and prove citizenship and you don't have driver's license or anything else.

And by the way, our real ID doesn't prove citizenship, even if you did use a birth certificate to get that. So I guess it has a lot of it had to do with how the rules are enacted, how we take care of this, because, boy, that's all we need is just to knock out a whole bunch of older Republican voters out of the system. Well, and you point out something else, Bill. I mean, if you really enforce this tightly, isn't this a tremendous, tremendous administrative headache for the voting registrars with the secretaries of state to really, now all of a sudden deal with millions and millions of people. To be sure, we have been very lax, and these voter rolls have gotten old in the state,

and nobody does anything about it. I say an old and stale, and people have moved out of the state, and nobody cleans up the rolls. And so that's truly an issue. So, you know, you bring up a point, and I don't know that you and I can solve it, because it's going to be a tremendous, tremendous administrative headache. But at the very least, if all we do in this election is make sure that you're only going to get one vote, even if you're not a citizen, you only vote once. Yeah, this would be progress.

That would be progress compared to what we've been having over the last few years. Right. Okay. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Because I just know that it took years.

years and years just to get all the states in line with the real ID requirements. And so I'm just trying to think, okay, how would they implement that? Of course, I don't know. You know, the fact that we have that leftist hack Tobias Reid as Secretary of State, you know, giving him heartburn, I'd actually be in favor of that. That would be good. I'd like to give him lots of heartburn. Well, exactly.

Exactly. But you have a good point there. Yes, you can get a real idea without being a citizen, but at least let's make people show a real ID, and then we probably can, in some former fashion, excise from the roles of those people that vote that we know to be illegal. I would love to look back when they were doing real ID, and why wouldn't real ID have been used to indicate who's a citizen also? Gosh, it seems like it's something that's really simple that could have been implemented

in it, and it apparently was not. Fascinating, isn't it? Well, it is. It is. And how, like you say, how many of us have our birth certificates? I mean, that's really a big deal. You know, it's one thing if you're 20 years old, but gosh, if you're an old guy like me, I happen to have my birth certificate. But boy. Isn't it your birth certificate on a tablet? Isn't it? Like a, you know. Well, it is electronic. Oh, no, I was talking about a stone tablet. Stone tablet. Oh, oh, yeah. Well, mine was on a stone tablet. Yeah. Yeah. Mine's on papyrus, so that's fine. All right.

Sure. Yeah, well. So, John, I guess the bottom line here is that it would be difficult, but Trump is absolutely correct then to push this. This is a hill worth dying on. Would you say that? Is that kind of what we're looking at? Absolutely.

I mean, it's our democracy. Right now, the other side has been so cynical. I mean, it's been out there waiting to be exploited for a long time, but now they're exploiting it. I think they did it with Obama. and it continues to the present, and it's a way to steal an election. Yeah. Now, your two books here that are just excellent, Postgate and the Mysteries of Watergate.

You can find out more about this at Postcadebook.com. Is that also where you have the piece about the elections, or is that in a different media outlet right now? Well, I'm going to put that up. I'm putting that up now. I have it in American. It's published on American greatness. And it's very interesting. it was a pretty darn good article, and I went to see how it was being, how it was resonating. And on the Yahoo search engine, you type in the name of the article, and it doesn't come up. It comes up on Google. It does not come up on Yahoo. But yet, what you get is you get a

bunch of articles about misinformation and disinformation, and aren't these conservatives spewing disinformation? We have a real problem in here. We have a real problem in here. country with the communication systems that really are very anti-conservative. And so I get back to this voting. At least let's have a clean voting system here, because otherwise these guys are going to steal elections from now until Kingdom come. John O'Connor, author of Postgate, how the Washington Post betrayed deep throat covered up Watergate and began today's partisan advocacy journalism. I have a copy of it. Very good. And you can pick it. that up we'll get all that information up postgatebook.com and thank you so much for being on john

always a pleasure hey bill good talk to you indeed 728 this is km ed the outdoor report this is news talk 1063 km ed and you're waking up with the bill mire's show jim's on the line here right now on pebbling your shoe tuesday good morning jim what's on your mind good morning So the Oregon puts you through all these loops to get your new driver's license. Yep. And you've got to bring in your water bill or whatever it is for addresses and your birth certificate and all this. So why is that same thing not good enough to vote on? Because...

I mean, what's the point of bringing another thing back in there again? Oh, hey, I agree with you. And that's the irritant that, you know, over the real. ID is that many states, not all of them, I think 23, 24 states, they also use the real ID to give to illegal aliens, to non-citizens. And the thing is, though, it's a real ID. It is a bona fide, legitimate ID for them. But the real ID is not an indicator of citizenship, even though.

You know, like I had to bring a birth certificate in order to prove that, you know, that I was, you know, legally here, apparently. But the real ID, in fact, I was holding up my real ID doesn't have any reference to being a citizen on this. And state of Oregon, as an example, gets all sorts of people, legal, foreign nationals, and otherwise on the real ID. That's what they do. And, you know, I'm thinking, Jim, it's almost like they designed it this way, thinking that, well, gosh, you know, if we ever had to actually prove citizenship here, then even your real ID doesn't work, but we wouldn't want to call anybody out. It's really strange how we did this here.

How do the old rules get a real idea if they don't have a birth certificate? Well, they may have a birth certificate. There are also other ways I think you can have the matricular consular card, you know, if you're from Mexico as an example. There are all sorts of different documentation. Let me see if I can find out. Off the top of my head, I forget what was allowed. Let me see if I can find that requirements.

I'm just going to do a quick search on the fly here, Jim, okay? For Oregon Real ID. Okay, let's see what we got. We can get that to come up here really quickly. Okay, one proof of identity, two proofs of address and documents that verify your lawful status in the U.S. You must apply in person. And let's see if we can get this. Okay, acceptable form of ID.

Let's see. Oh, no, they're talking about what TSA will accept. I'll have to get back to you on it, but, you know, like I said, it was a few months ago that I ended up having mine done. But it's not just your address. You had to have some deeper proof of who you were. And I imagine if you were an illegal alien, you probably, if you're from Mexico, you probably had the matricular consular card, you know, the ID card from Mexico. I would imagine probably qualified for them. Okay. Oh, okay.

All right. Sorry, Jim. It's very frustrating, though. It seems like you could have made the real ID just, they just could have had the real ID in Oregon just indicate, okay, here's a little star over here or whatever it is. That means you're a citizen. And here's a star over here or a lack of a star means that you're a foreign national

or you could, you know, have a different logo. Let's say if you are a non-citizen, non-legal immigrant. Isn't that how they would say they could never say illegal alien, even though that's the legal term? You have to be immigrants, illegally immigrant. But people aren't illegal. And besides, this is stolen land. They're here to take it back, I guess. You know, it's funny.

You go down to Southern California and you talk to those groups, yeah, they'll tell you, yeah, we're here to take it back. That's what it's all about. La Raza, it is 734 at KMED. When it comes time to build your dream home, your top of the hill masterpiece with style, luxury, and fantastic views, you have a partner with Hughes Lumber. When you want the best lumber, siding, panels, and other building materials, you have a partner with Hughes Lulmator. Give Easier. Kelly's Automotive Service, where we service your vehicle, but take care of you.

Kelly's Automotive.com. Hi, I'm Matt Stone, owner of Stone Heating and Air, and I'm on 106.3, KMED. Back to Jim's question about what does it take to actually get the real ID again? Because like I said, I got it mine last year, and I kind of forgotten all the variants of this. but member Oregon, real ID does not mean that you are a citizen, but here is what you have to have. One of the documents that you need to prove, either a U.S. passport or U.S. passport card,

U.S. birth certificate issued by a state or local government. That's what I brought. Certificate of citizenship, certificate of naturalization, a consular report of birth abroad. That would be like the matricular consular card from Mexico, if you were a foreign national from Mexico. A permanent resident card, employment authorization card, I think that translates as a green card,

or a foreign passport with unexpired visa and valid I-94 issued by the Department of Homeland Security. Those are the various documents that you need. Now, if you didn't have the foreign birth and all these other things involved in that, then a real ID would count. but they have a real ID for all of these foreign citizens. Now, I understand having it for foreign nationals, people who are here illegally, and I just don't know why you couldn't have marked it one way or the other. Say, foreign national American citizen. Okay, fine.

We're all done. Holly's here. Holly, go ahead and take it away. You want to talk about the ballots, too. Go ahead. Good morning. Whatever it takes, we need to go through this process and start getting ID. And yes, it's going to be difficult, but what could be more difficult?

than having another guy like Joe Biden running our country for four years. And I agree with you. I'm saying, though, it would be a really high lift to have it, though, for this November election. I don't know if they can get the rules in place. And you know darn well immediately Tobias Reid and others would be filing suit against it. You know that, don't you? Well, you know, we have to just fight, you know, people in the streets, whatever it takes. We have to fight until we make sure we have this, because this next election

to define every other election that we have going forward. I mean, if they're in, they make all kinds of crazy rules. And I'm hoping what they do is they make such big teeth into this that if a person is not supposed to be voting, and they're voting in our elections, they're in deep trouble. Yeah. Prison time, deportation, any, you know, all of the great deterrence to doing the wrong thing. And that might make a few people think twice about doing that.

It could be a good deterrent. Thanks, Holly. Good point. 741. Former state senator Herman Barrettiger, we always sit around and talk politics and things too every Tuesday morning. It's kind of our usual cup of coffee and sit by the stove. Well, you have the stove, but I stay warm by an audio board here in the studio. How are you doing this morning, Herman? Welcome back. I'm doing fine. I'm doing as good as I can in this environment, this political environment that we're living in. Would you agree with this push on the real ID, or not the real ID, but the SAVE Act here? Do you think that's a hill worth dying on this year in Congress?

Absolutely. I do. There's just way too much information out there leading to falsification of people's voting, you know, when people vote. And vote by mail. Come on, Bill. there's no way that can be a secure way to vote. Everybody has known forever that voting by mail is the least secure way of doing it. But once again, like everything else in Oregon, we bought it.

We went and actually bought it. Just all out of convenience. Just astounds me, Herman, that we fell for that again. Well, I think that's just the reason for that is just so many people just don't get involved in politics. politics are nauseating, it's a pain in the neck. But as I tell people who throw their hands up and say, I'm tired of politics, I say, I'm tired of politics, I says, yeah, but it controls all the aspects of your life. So I strongly suggest you pay attention. There's a reason why our founders had such a limited government republic at that time.

You know, back in the days, you go back, you even talk to great grandparents. I would talk to my great grandparents, and they would almost never, ever hear. anything from federal officials. Very rare. There were a few times that they would get in touch with you. But now you go back to, you know, 1910, 1905, when my great-grandfather was working in the coal mines. You never heard from anybody in Washington, D.C. Almost never, right.

And now. No, no, you're absolutely right. You know, I look at my grandparents or great-grandparents on their homestead farms in southwest Minnesota. the biggest interaction with a government official was the U.S. Postman. Yeah, that was it. And that one's in the Constitution. Cool, right? You know, that's the one thing about going to the post office.

At least you're dealing with an agency that's delineated or put in the Constitution. You're going to love that. Now, what we're working with right now, though, we like to talk some economics now and then here for a little bit. Oil shock. Boy, the oil markets has been absolutely crazy for the last couple of days. I don't know. When it went up to 119 yesterday, that almost reminded me of someone trying to make a buck or two on that one for a quick speculative tag. What do you think about that overall? Absolutely. There's going to be people that are taking advantage of these situations, you know, to line their pockets. I mean, that's just surely that's how some of this is going. But, you know, the state of Oregon, actually the whole West Coast, California, Oregon and Washington has villainized the oil companies.

companies to the point and created legislation making it so difficult for the oil companies to conduct business, they're leaving. So that's just going to drive the price of oil up for the West Coast through the ceiling. And the Trump administration probably could care less because California, Oregon, or Washington aren't going to ever vote for him. You think that the Trump administration would be happy then to let the West Coast, the left coast states like California, Oregon and Washington twist in the wind over oil shocks? Well, I don't know if they're going to be happy, but they're going to let them do that. I mean, it's just you look at it and there's just no way that they're going to get any electoral votes from those three states. So, you know, why go out of our way to help them? Why?

And then if we end up getting the SAVE Act, too, oh, boy, you're going to be madder now. That's like kicking the hornage nest here, won't it be? Yeah, but the problem is, Bill, is we're all going to suffer. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, the refineries are only located in Washington, California. They're closing down. Is there a reason why a refinery is never located here in the state of Oregon? Is there some reason for that?

maybe a coastal rule of some sort. I'm not aware if there are, but that's all. I'd ask. You know, how do you get the crude into Oregon? You know, that's, how do you get the crude in Oregon? I mean, even though you have the Columbia River, it takes a lot to bring those ships from the mouth of the Columbia and the, you know, into Portland area or somewhere like that. So, no, why do it? We'll just do it in northern Washington, which is all.

also supplies oil to British Columbia and stuff. And then, and of course, California. California was the number one for a long, long time. I mean, that's where the oil business started even before Texas. Yeah, well, now I guess some of the last refineries are getting ready to take off because they're not being treated well. So the left coast, though, is certainly going to find itself within oil problems, because this may be a temporary shock with the Iran war, okay, the Iran war action going on here. But it still just shows, though, how policy does affect us out here on the left coast.

Because even when the oil supplies are normal and everybody's all happy, we're still paying a heck of a lot more out here in Oregon than we are anywhere else. And it's not just the trucking cost from Eugene, if you know what I'm getting at. No, no. Well, you have the transportation, you know, you have the pipeline from Washington to California. Portland. Then you have the Kinder Morgan pipeline from Portland down to Eugene. So that helps. That does help. However, they still have to use railroad from Portland down to Eugene, too. Really? Yeah. I did not know that. We actually had gasoline tanker cars going down the railroad there. I don't know if it's gasoline or if it's diesel fuel. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the big, the big patrols,

Farm there is just north of Eugene there on the old Highway 99. Okay. So what then happens in a state that doesn't want to have any refineries, wants to put carbon taxes on the fuels that we do have, wants to try to shift everybody onto electrical grids that are old, overstressed, and then run the electrical grid on chaotic and intermittent renewal. power? What could possibly come out of such a plan here, Herman? Well, you have to remember that the Democrat mind, the liberal mind makes decisions on

emotion and not facts. And so that's how you get to these crazy, these crazy ideas, you know, so it sounds great. We'll just plug in our cars and no more gas, no more engines, none of that, just plug it in, drive it, electric motor. Well, the problem is that's not in reality, but the liberal mind doesn't live in reality. Could the anti-oil take from Oregon Democrats overall and the attack on this, could this come around or ever come around to bite them in the butt here? You know, if we get to the point where we're paying seven or eight while the rest of the country is paying, you know, two or three dollars per gallon over time. In fact, even in California right now, they're at six bucks a gallon for regular in most of the places.

Six bucks right now. Well, they're going to, they're just going to, they're just going to use the war is the, is what's causing it. Okay. So that's what they'll do. They'll just say it's Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump caused it all. So that's what they'll do. That's how they'll do. That's how they're, they'll do. will deflect that. So nothing changes as long as Dan Reefield and Tobias Reader in charge of things, and along with Tina Kotech, nothing changes. So it doesn't matter how bad it gets nothing changes for the state, in your view? No, no. No, it doesn't. I mean, look at their state, continue to

raise their taxes. This is a big deal that they did on small businesses by disconnecting from the federal, you know, from the Trump seat, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump tax, uh, But they disconnected. All right. We don't get to enjoy that on our state tax returns. And, you know, Oregon started their tax system in 1929. And the reason that they implemented income tax is tax relief on property taxes. That was the selling point in 1929.

No kidding. Yeah. And they, and the tax rate was one to seven percent, depending. where you were on your income. And that rate has now changed to 4.75 to 9.9%. So, you know, they just, it's never ending more taxes, Bill. And that's kind of what I want to really point out today to everybody that don't just look at what happened last year or the year before.

look what's happened over the last 100 years. That's what you have to look at. You know, look at your property tax bill. You know, they say in Josephine County, it's only 1.58 cents. Well, you put in all the community college stuff, and you put all of the school districts, and you put in the law enforcement district, the jail levy. Yeah, what is your real cost per thousand?

in Joe County and Jackson, well, Jackson County is a little bit more, but still, what, and when you add all of that, let's say even on your property, what is it per thousand? Yeah, it's over three bucks. Okay. So it's not nothing the way people are talking about it. It's not nothing. You know, you've got to add all those other things in, you know, and if you live in a fire district, some of those fire district rates are pretty, pretty good rate.

Fire district is a very expensive service to provide. You're absolutely right about that one. But then, of course, but everybody always goes back to the troth here again and again, again, well, like even the animal shelter in Joe County, right? Same sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, they want 11 cents, and they said 11 cents is not allowed left. And so I don't know if that's going to work. The veterans tried to get $0.4 for the veterans' office here in Josephine County,

and it was defeated. So I don't know what is going to go on, but I do know that there's a tipping point where people have no more money. And what is that? You know, people say, well, it's not as expensive as Sweden or whatever. Well, yes, it is. Sweden just kind of has a couple big taxes. And, yeah, they're pushing 70%. Well, we're there, too.

but we do it, we do it with excise tax, a cigarette tax. Yeah. Yeah. You know, utility bills and tax on his tax. And say what you will, those welfare states of Sweden also provide a lot of cradle-to-grave services. Now, I'm not advocating that, but, you know, they tend to be at least relatively happier with their high rates of taxation because they feel like they're getting, you know, something for their buck here. I don't think people feel that way for high taxation in the United States, though. Would you agree?

I don't think they feel that. Yeah, because the way we do it, we do it all these different ways that people just don't pay attention, you know, and I guess I need to dig through some of my old files. I once did a research on all the taxes, it blows your mind. You have no idea the taxes that are buried into everything you purchase. Well, until Democrats pay a political price for advocating this, nothing changes, Herman. Not until that time, all right? No, nothing will change.

We're going to pay these high prices for fuel. And that's, you know, the environmental community is perfectly fine with it. This is right out of their playbook. Well, I would say that the first thing that should happen is that the environmental community should have no food deliveries for them because their food is delivered via diesel. And, you know, that's bad for the planet. How about that? They don't think it all the way to the end.

It's just like, how about the liberal mind that says, oh, we won't have any gun violence if we take all the guns away. Or else we'll protect you. They really believe that. Yeah, and we'll protect you from suicide if we take away your guns. And if you want to commit suicide, come in here and talk to a safe doctor. And then they'll give you a COVID shot. That'll put you in the grave.

But wait a minute, I said too much. But, okay. Absolutely. All of that, you know, and, you know, only, only police officers should have firearms. And I'm like, well, every, there's no problems with police officers with suicide. There's no problems with police officers doing, committing crimes with guns. There's none, zero. Uh-huh. So, you know, all of this stuff. But if you ask me to try to explain and defend the liberal mind, I'm simply not possible in accomplishing that task. All right. Well, I always appreciate your talk anyway, Herman.

We'll catch you next Tuesday, as always. You'd be well. And you keep an eye on the economics. I'll be curious to see if this shock from Iran is something which is going to reverberate more greatly throughout the economy or just a temporary blip in. On we go. Okay? We'll see that. I think it's going to be where you reside is how you're going to be affected by all of this.

Could be right about that. Talk to you next week. All right. Be well. Take care. Former state Senator Herman Berchiger, it is 756 at KMED and 993KBXG. I'll tell you what, why don't we have a Diner 62 real American quiz? I would love to get you signed up with Diner 62.

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Oh, exactly. You've got to have the fat if it's a really good corned beef. All right. It is. So it is actually tomorrow in his... history, David. It is March 11, 1845. Johnny Appleseed dies. John Chapman was his real name. Johnny Applese, both a promoter of apples and the gospel. He introduced apple trees by planting nurseries of apples to those living in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. It said that he would tell stories to the kids and spread the

new church gospel to adults in exchange for a floor to sleep one. He was a lover of Native Americans, and he stated that he traveled more than 4,000 miles around the country, and he said that he had never met with one single insolent Native American. So no scalping in his experience. Chapman was born on September 26, 1774, living till he was 70 years old. How much land did Johnny Appleseed own when he died? Was it zero acres, B, 12 acres, C, 120 acres, D, 1,200 acres, D, 1,200. acres or E was he a land barren at 12,000 acres?

What do you say? It's one of those five here, David. Good luck. I don't know. So is this going to be closed my eyes and hope there's water in the pool? Okay. I'm going to say zero. You're going to say zero.

Well, he may even poor, but he wasn't that poor. No. Okay. Where was it? Nice try. Let me go to David or Devin, rather. Hello, Devin. How are you doing?

Morning. I'm doing well. Thank you for having me. All right. Now then, we have either 12 acres, 120 acres, 1,200 acres, or 12,000 acres. How many acres of land did Johnny Appleseed own when he died at the age of 70? Well, sadly, I also don't know the exact answer to this, but based upon your reaction, I'm going to go with 120 acres.

You're going to go with 120 acres right there in the middle. I am so sorry. Devin, good try. Let me go to Jeff and Medford. Hello. Jeff. How you doing? Good.

All right. So you have three choices. Johnny A Johnny Appleseed owned 12 acres, 1,200 acres, or 12,000 acres of apple trees and land and all other sorts of good stuff. What do you say? Let's go 1,200 acres. 1,200. Yeah. 1,200.

He sold seedlings to settlers for roughly 6.5 cents each, which was pretty good money back then, really. And at the time of his death, he owned more than 1,200 acres of land. Johnny Appleseed was a savvy pro-nors. men and a landowner, not just a wandering planter. Chapin was a follower of the Sweden Borsion church. I hope I got that name right. But anyway, he planted orchards just ahead of the western of the western frontier using seeds rather than grafting.

His faith forbade grafting. He wasn't allowed to do grafting in his church. But anyway, he created nurseries that he would later sell. Interesting character. And for that, Jeff, you were going to Diner 62, and you can have. you can have the corn, beef and cabbage and everything else that's going on there, okay? You hang on. Sounds good.

You bet you. All right. We're going to check Fox News here in just a moment, and then we're going to be talking about, do you want your eco-socialism or are you going to fight your eco-socialism? I'll tell you more about that. It comes to buying or selling a house. You don't take advice from artificial intelligence. Hey, it's Lars, a good local...