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Episode Date: March 11, 2026

Roberts Bortins, CEO of Classical Conversation and author of 8:10 Robert Bortins, is author of Woke and Weaponized: How Karl Marx Won the Battle for American Education, and How We Can Win It Back. Can we save ed?? Open phone calls and emails wrap the day

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. My current guest is keying off of my last guest, and I was speaking with State Senator Noah Robinson just a few minutes ago. And we got into the bailout of Southern Oregon University, you know, $15 million coming from the state university or from the state legislature. or rather going into this. And the goal to keep SOU independent and not necessarily folded into the state university

system. And SOU arguably is going to a much softer curriculum style rather than the hard sciences that they were pretty well known for, you know, for quite some time. You know, the business department, various other things. And maybe this has to do with why Robert Bortons is finding such success these days. and he's the CEO of Classical Conversation. It supports Classical Christian and Christian homeschoolers in all 50 states, a whole bunch of them here, even in the state of Oregon, too.

And he's written a book, and it's woke and weaponized, how Carl Marx won the battle for American education and how we can win it back. I like the title of that. Robert, it's good to have you on. Morning, sir. Hey, good morning. Thanks for having me. And, yeah, it's a super important subject.

And Dr. Benjamin Merkel actually wrote the foreword in his last line. And what we must understand is that funding is authority. And so it's not surprising that that university, unfortunately, is probably going to have to dumb down their curriculum and reduce the value of their degree in order to comply with the crazy Oregon legislators' demands whatever they may be. And that is the problem of being part of the university system in general. But, you know, here, and this is something that we've talked about before here, is university is the university system is considered a government agency. And so there's a lot of dumb, woke power in that university system as they negotiate to do government-to-government agency arrangements and things like that.

So it's almost like the cancer of Karl Marx and the cancer of wokeism is spread through that very system. Yeah, and that's some of the stuff that we reveal in the book, Woken Weaponized. We actually did the research and went back to the whole way to 1820, before Karl Marx even wrote the Communist Manifesto to a collectivist named Robert Owen. And the ultimate goal of having government fund education was to destroy family, freedom, and liberty. And he saw that private property was the root of all evil, same thing as Karl Marx. And that's why they decided to target our education system in the United States. And big people like the Ford Foundation and groups like that, the Walton Foundation now later, have been funding the systematic takeover of our teachers' colleges to blend, as the Ford Foundation said, in the 1980s, the United States with the USSR or Russia, and it wasn't to make Russia like us, it was to turn U.S. into a collectivist nation so that it could be managed by those in power.

So, yeah, it's pretty incredible the research that we discovered and put in our new book, Woken Weaponized. You know, Woken Weaponized, like I said, this is something, you know, needed to read for sure. What has concerned me about this, though, is how the public's education or the public schools education system and a state university has been impervious, impervious to, well, any kind of revolution other than going further to the left. And, you know, you'll have people of good faith here, Robert. I'll bet you know many of them. Sure. They go on the school board. Well, I'm going to get on the school board and I'm going to make changes here. I'm going to, you know,

well, proverbial you'll kiss ass and, not kiss ass, kick ass and tick names. Okay, there we go. Maybe they end up kissing, I hope not, but yeah. But that never seems to happen because you find out how little control there really is at the local issue here. And so when you talk about in this book how to take it back, where do you start on this? Because like I said, you're the rebels in the system right now. Yeah, we're absolutely the rebel alliance. And I mean, you start out back by taking personal sovereignty over your,

your life and over your family's life and doing what you can, whether it's homeschooling or just reading to your kids at night. Churches need to start education funds, open their doors during the week to either homeschoolers or private schools, even a small school if you can fit 18 to 36 students in your church. That's 18 to 36 students that aren't getting this Marxist indoctrination. And yeah, the system itself is designed to take power into itself. school board, you know, they basically can pick the color of the paint of your school, but not much else. And so ultimately, that was what the system was designed to do. I mean, my wife worked in the public school system for 10 years, and she was so frustrated she quit, and that's why teach your turnover.

I mean, they're like the highest white-collar turnover job in the nation because they're so frustrated with the system itself. And so you have to opt out of the system. I mean, businesses can start offering, like, scholarships. to their families. Yeah, but I guess scholarship. But a scholarship to what, Robert? Scholarship to what? Yeah, I mean, either a private school or a Christian school

or help paying for homeschool materials. So it takes, I mean, it's going to take all of us taking ownership and, you know, saying the government's not going to come, you know, save us. As Reagan told us, the nine scariest words in the English language, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. And that's what people keep wanting to do. And so until we rid ourselves of that ideology personally and personally take responsibility, none of this is going to get fixed. Now, where do you end up getting the teachers or the instructors for this?

Because you had noted, and correctly so, that the teaching colleges tend to churn out mostly young women who are very much in favor of this ideology that you are fighting against here. Right? What do you do about that? Given that the entire system. And by the way, you could say this in the medical world, too. The medical schools have also been taken over by the same ideologies here. We find ourselves under kind of like feeling like behind enemy lines a bit. No, absolutely.

And so, I mean, a couple things is there's so many of the good teachers quit because they see the system is just destroying their children and they can't watch it on a daily basis. So, I mean, there's, you know, 20% or something turn over every single year. So there's those young people who want to be teachers and see that the system isn't supporting that. You know, there's business people or people in other professions. I mean, the teaching degrees nowadays, maybe they're needed 30 or 40 years ago, but it's really about classroom management now. But with, like, you know, how the curriculum is written and available, teachers can be tutors. They can lead the conversations.

You don't have to be an expert in everything. You've got, of course, tools like Khan Academy and, you know, AI is getting more out there. So there's so many ways. Teachers and teaching degrees, I mean, quite frankly, are a waste of most people's time, the teaching degrees. They don't teach them how to pass on knowledge to the next generation. That's why we offer a free one-day boot camp during the summer at classical conversations for parents to teach them how to homeschool. And we have people who have a ninth grade education at homeschool their kids through high school and get them into college with scholarships because...

Oh, okay, no, I want to hear... No, I want you to focus on it just for a second. Wait a minute. Just a second. So you have people within classical conversations, right? And you're the CEO of this. So people with ninth grade educations are able to homeschool their children and get them into college, right? And how can that be?

Because, you know, people would say, well, if you're not even a high school graduate, how could you do this? Yeah, so the one thing is... is our idea of education is so disordered from reality that by the time, if your student can read and you pick a good curriculum, and of course, classical conversation is going to give you a great curriculum, then you become a tutor and a guide and a coach. You don't need to know algebra or, you know, biology. You just need to know how to get your student unstuck. And what we teach at classical conversations is we teach students how to learn, like what the process of learning. They don't do that

in one class in 12 years in public school. And we do that every single year. We're teaching the kids how they actually learn a subject. So the parents are just accountability partners and coaches once they get up to, you know, eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade having to step in, you know, sometimes. But that's why we have communities, too, that meet once a week so that parents can get help from other parents. You know, there's other tutors that can come in for an hour and help help them out.

So there's so many good ways to get educated. And most kids are spending three hours, maybe four in high school a day on their formal education. And the rest of the time they're pursuing things they want to do in their career or athletics or hobbies or starting businesses. So it's really a freeing education. And it's just our view of education has become so disordered because we've been in this public school system now for almost 125 years in our country. Isn't one of our major issues here in the United States? And it may be other places too around the world, Robert. But adults don't read.

Many adults don't read. Or they don't read much. They don't read much for fun. I mean, I'm a voracious reader. If I wasn't able to read, I couldn't do this job and talk radio. And I'm wondering if this is also one of the key points that we're having trouble with kids. We're always hearing about how, well, the kids aren't reading. Well, if their mom and dad don't care to read and aren't reading, they aren't serving much of an example,

and what can we do, do you think, to change that around? Because if you want to stay, you know, dumb and ignorant about something, go ahead and just, you know, deal with just watching the tube all the time rather than doing something might be hard at first. What do you think? Yeah, no, reading's a big issue. I think less than half of U.S. adults can read at a sixth grade level, and so that's a big issue. But what system did they go through? They went through a public school system.

They did. They told them that reading wasn't important. And now high school students aren't reading a single book from cover to cover in high school anymore. And many of our high schools in the United States. So they'll go to college. They'll get into colleges, having never read an entire book. And so our school system is definitely failing our family. But what I'm getting at, though, is the school system is also reflecting a greater culture

that doesn't seem to prize, you know, an education or knowledge. or reading. And I'm, what do you think it could be done about that over time? Yeah, so, I mean, that's the whole purpose of collectivism and Marxism and why I say that he won because, you know, 150 years ago, this wasn't a problem in the United States. It took 125 years of centralized control to get to where we are. So it might take 125 years to reverse it, but we need to do, I mean, the Pizza Hut reading program when I was growing up was awesome.

You got a free personal pan pizza if you read so many books. and stuff like that. Really? You had that? I'm a national effort to improve and increase reading again. Yeah. It just saddens me. I think what really goes on here, Robert, is that, by the way, Robert Bortons is with me,

and his book is, I just want to make sure you know about this, and I'll link to this. It's woke and weaponized how Karl Marx won the battle for American education and how we can win it back. Sounds to me, though, is that with your classical conversations, you're really advocating this is going to be the church is waking up first, or can it work in the secular world, too? How do you see this in a long run? Yeah, I mean, I think the church is going to need a lead on this 100%. I mean, the church is

advocated. It's the responsibility to make sure our children are educated and have given it over to the state. So until that changes, nothing can. But that doesn't mean the secular institutions can't see what's worked in the past. I mean, classical education has worked for thousands of years to produce educated citizenry. So they can absolutely adopt it. But the number one thing the church needs to be doing is leading on this issue and making sure that the children in church know how to read well and that the parents are taking responsibility for their kids' education because that's how God designed it very clearly in the Bible. And I all grew up with public schools, and I think we had this great image in our mind,

you know, the happy yellow school bus, right? Taking the kids off that for the education. And I realized back in my childhood that I had a worse education than my parents did. How did you end up coming to these realizations over time? What happened with you within the system? Yes, I was homeschooled through high school, but my mom is nine years younger than my dad, and they met in college. He was working on his third degree, and she saw that he could study and learn

things differently than she did. So she went on a lifelong journey at her almost 15 years to find classical education, and then she started doing that with myself when I was in high school, and I just was, I enjoyed being homeschooled so much. I went and got an industrial engineering degree from Clemson. I worked for two Fortune 50 companies, and then just because of my love for homeschooling, I came back and worked for the organization. She started classical conversations to help more people homeschool, because I saw that if our family could, you know, do it, and we could be successful, others could do it as well. And so the more I look into this broken system that's been thrust upon us, the more I believe what Ronald Reagan said, that if a

foreign entity put the public school system on our country, we'd declare it an act of war because it's been so destructive to young people. And yeah, it's something that each parent's got to take seriously and say, not my kids. And if enough parents say that, then we'll be able to keep moving forward and there's a record 3.4 million students being homeschooled now. So more parents are making that leave. Yeah, to start. Well, you know, that state senator who delayed our interview this morning, because I held him long, Noah Robinson, he was homeschooled.

And, you know, the entire family is just filled with degrees. And I'm just wondering that, you know, why don't we hear more about that? Because what's the standard thing? Someone who's homeschooled or in classical education, they're weird, right? They're weird kids, right? Well, that's what they want you to believe, right? They're going to make you, that's the whole purpose. There's a whole chapter in our book about the psychology behind how they design public schools to make it so that you want to fit into the hierarchy.

And so by calling us weird, what they're trying to do is manipulate the minds of young people. And for parents who've been through this system so that they won't even go check it out and make an informed decision about their future. Where can you find out more about classical conversations, Robert? And what about the book? Where do you get that? Yeah. Yeah, so classicalconversations.com, put your zip code in. We'd love to help you get started homeschooling today.

And you can pick up the book on Amazon.com right now, Woken Weaponized. Just search for that. It'll be on the top of it. And it'll be there. Two days prime, your front door. So Woken Weaponized on Amazon.com. You know, it took a long time to get here, but you're right. I don't know if we have 125 years to battle back, but hopefully

folks like yourself will succeed in what? You're thinking a couple thousand people in a couple thousand in Oregon right now, members of classical conversations? Yeah, we have a few thousand families in Oregon using classical conversations, you know, probably around 50 to 100 groups. So yeah, there's probably a community, a classical conversations community near you. If there's not one, we'll help you get started. Robert Bortons, I appreciate your talk, and best of luck on the battle. It's a big one, okay? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. 834 and change. This is KMED, and you're on the Bill and Myers show. And it is open phones for the rest of the morning. 7705633-770 KMED. If you wanted to the way in on something, boy, like I said, we've been talking about a lot of

things this morning. Now's your chance. Whether you're building a new house with gas appliances, adding a gal. 5633. That's 770 KMED. Gosh, everything from Harry and David laying off more than 100 supervisory here. Challenges in agriculture. Challenges in certainly education as Robert Britton or Bitten. I just forgot his name. I just talked to him for 20 minutes. But anyway, the gentleman from classical conversations, one way or the other, there's a lot going on. Got the war, got the attacks, got the breaking news on that.

I'll catch up on some of that too. And Steve and Sunny Valley, Steve, you were on the way in on the classical conversations fellow just a moment ago. Hi. Yeah, hi. Yeah, we started our kids in homeschooling because I was. working for American Airlines in Tulsa, and the house I bought was in an older neighborhood, and they'd put up a whole bunch of Section 8 housing in the same school district. And those kids were, ha.

I mean, they were probably the only ones making decisions in the homes they lived in because their parents were not responsible adults. A lot of pathologies in those families, in other words, right? And I didn't want to subject my little four-year-old daughter to that. So we started looking for homeschooling, and we came out to Oregon from Tulsa when I went to work for the railroad, Clamont Falls. And there was a group there, classical conversations that we got hooked up in. And then we came out to the Grand Pass area, and we had to go all the way to Medford once a week,

where we met with the other homeschooled parents and students, and they had their tutoring. where they got their assignments that we helped them through. And it's not that tough. I mean, my wife and I both wasted time in college and got degrees, but you don't need it. You really don't. Because when you start them young, what they're mostly doing is learning how to read and do memorization of tables, math tables. And then, well, even Robert Bortons is, by the way, is his name. He talked about learning to learn, so to speak.

so to speak, right? Exactly. Exactly. Once you can read, then you can, you know, you get reading assignments that can keep you in the right direction, but you are, you're learning on your own with a little guidance. And that's what classical conversations was so good at. And you were telling me that you ran into Lynn Barton, of all people, right? Yes, she was my youngest daughter's tutor for a year.

No kidding. Small world. All my kids have done fairly well since, you know, their school ages. My son is learning to be a plumber. My oldest and her husband bought Colleen Martin's Bakery in Eagle Point, and they're running that, and they've been doing it successfully for several years now. So you bought the Roberts Bakery? Really? Yeah.

Oh, not me. My daughter and her husband. Oh, very good. And they're doing a great job with it. It's now a pekara bakery. Yes, I've heard of that. I've heard of that. I drove past you the other day.

I'll have to go in there and try it out sometime. All right? Oh, yeah. They, they, when I was in college, I made donuts to get by, pay rent and tuition and books and everything. Back then, you could do that. You could pay your way through college and not have student loan. Yeah, it's a little tough to do that at the moment. You can't do that anymore.

Yeah, the alternatives, which is why the alternatives are starting to look very appealing right now. Thank you, Steve, for sharing your experience about that. 770KMED. Let me go back to line two. Hi, good morning. You're up next. Who's this? Good morning.

This is Jerry. Hi, Jerry. There's a local homeschool co-op during Grants Pass that prides itself on teaching kids how to think instead of what to think. And there's a very useful tool that they use amongst other things. that it's the concept of that a student can express any opinion they can defend. Ah, see, that's the point, right? Yeah, they're challenged on it, so they have to think, why do I have this opinion? That is really interesting.

Could you imagine what would happen if the students over at Oakdale Middle School the other day, the ones that have walked out twice? Well, actually, they walked out during school days once to protest any enforcement actions against illegal aliens, right? They're protesting ICE and doing all the rest of it. If the teachers demanded that, why do you feel this way? Can you explain and defend it?

And I'll bet you no one's done that to them yet. Yeah, it teaches them to think and not what to think because they get challenged on any opinion, whether it's a good one or not. Yeah, I appreciate that. It's a good point. 770KMD, appreciate the call. Hi, KMED, good morning.

Welcome. Hey, Bill, it's wild, Sam. Hi, Steve, what's on your mind? Well, you were talking earlier about agriculture with NOAA and some other people and the state legislature. And I'm a graduate of SOC. I was in the Army. I worked in the wood products industry for 30 years, and then I was a financial advisor. And in the process, I learned to think through financial resources.

So what are you thinking, then, when you have Glenar Schaamble calling up and saying that Harry and David, They're pulling out Harry and David orchards, pear orchards over in the Phoenix area is what he was observing the other day. Yeah, well, that's the result of a lot of different things. You've got your input cost to growing a crop. I mean, the wood products industry is agriculture, just a different scale. So you've got land, you've got water, you've got diesel fuel, you've got labor, you've got the cost of putting in the trees. And actually, the pear industry is a pretty low.

long-scale industry, it takes probably 10 years from the time you plant an orchard until you actually get a crop out of it. Boy, it's a long-term investment, isn't it? It absolutely is. You've got to grow a tree. Well, so what this is, what we could read from this, what is going on, and then you have Harry and David, or 1,800 flowers, actually, the parent corporation then laying off more than 100 supervisory employees and a tenured folks. That's kind of indicative of they see political and economic risk to having those pairs here in Southern Oregon, which is a hell of a note, isn't it? And the legislature tends to do single issue legislation, let's say the roundup issue. What part of Roundup does what part of the cost of growing pairs does Roundup play?

And if you take that away, what does that do? Water, of course, is a big issue for growing fruit. there would also be the labor to weed and keep pest down, right? Oh, absolutely. What about land? Okay, is that land close to the urban growth boundary for Medford? I know along Foothills Road, there have been a bunch of orchards taken out, and I was talking to somebody about that.

They planted hay in there, and there's some kind of rule that if you grow another crop for a couple of years, then you can subdivide the land. Maybe that's what it's going on. Maybe that's their looking at that land that they can make more money doing something else with it rather than growing pairs for Harry and David. It's a couple of years to grow some hay on the land. What I'm trying to say is there's just a lot of things, and the legislature makes things way worse by doing single-issue legislation. All right. I appreciate the call. Thank you very much for that, for that insight. Hi, good morning. K&D. This is Bill. Who's this?

Hey, brother, Louis. Hey, brother, Louis. What's on your mind? Oh, your show is so great, you see. Well, thank you. Well, we try. We try it a daily basis. It's just me, but it's also just me and you and everybody else and all the other people we can get to take part in.

There's been a lot of really great people showing up today, especially the homeschooling thing. I'd let me talk about that. My sister married a Guatemalan immigrant, and neither one of them had much education. She had a high school, but he didn't even have that. And they homeschooled nine kids. Nine kids? Seven kids. There's a doctor.

There's two lawyers. There's everybody is successful. There's builders and, you know, people that are, like some of your guests talk about having, you know, forget about higher education, get a good trade. And I'm running across, I did that myself. So I got a higher education and had a trade in the construction industry. But that's not what I really want to talk about. I want to talk about the damn war. You know, thank God your show is hardly, you know, doesn't have too much about the war.

Yeah, frankly, it's difficult for me to actually figure out what's truly going on because I know that the first victim of a war is truth. All right? It's just the way it goes. And if there's one thing that the United States government, and I don't care who's the president, one thing that the United States is supreme at is propaganda. Okay. So that's the way I tend to look at it. Yes, even under the Trump administration, because it's the same organization, not the Trump administration, but it's the same. group of bureaucrats that are still running the show overall. But anyway, what are you thinking?

You can call them the deep state or you can call in the bureaucratic state or any number of things you can call on my... But it's 846, so I'm running out of daylight, but give me a quick hot take and maybe we'll do more on conspiracy theory Thursday, okay? Okay, yeah, I'll do that. I'll call you tomorrow about it, but the nuclear weapons thing, it's on the table now. You think so? You put it on the table, and you've heard about it. If it comes to that, we're in deep, I wrote,

I actually included you in a letter. I looked at several people today, so you can see that. But yeah, that's all I was going to say. All right, well, I'll tell you what,

let me read your letter and then maybe we talk about tomorrow morning, okay, all right. That's great. Let's do it that way because you may have sent it, but yeah,

I got like 200 new in my inbox this morning. I got to go and clean that up. But if you want to talk about anything on your mind, 7705-633. We'd love to talk with you. This is the Bill Meyer show

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bringing you podcasts, Closet drilling.com. Gene, hello, Gene, good to hear from you. You are no longer grumpy, but you wanted to respond to that guy that said that, you know, the kids are going to protest, that go ahead and say any idea you want, but you have to be able to defend it. You wanted to take that one step further, huh? Yes. I want to know why the kids are defending murderers and just playing criminals.

Yeah. Well, boy, it's a good question. I don't know if you could depend on Oakdale Middle School students in the, in the Medford system, to ask that kind of a question because they're probably told that, well, you know, It's impolite to bring that up. They need to bring it up. All right. Jean, good to hear from you as always.

7-7-0-M-E-D. Now then. Before we bring up, well, we have to do this. Lucretia, we had your theme ready. Welcome. What's on your mind today, huh? About seven years ago when I was playing pickleball, there was so out from out of the air that was playing with us that day.

Who was playing with you that day? Who was playing? Who? Some of a little outside the area. Oh, okay. And so, you know, I asked him what he did, you know, for living, and he was an environmental scientist, and he was here because of the fact that orchards, they used arsenic lead and let on the fruit to kill any bugs. And it was so loaded the soil, his job was to determine if you could even put a house there because kids playing in the dirt are going to get really toxic. Yeah.

Now, you're not talking about modern insecticides being used, or was it? Was it the legacy then of older insecticides? Because I don't think they're spraying arsenic and lead on Paris today. Well, probably 30, 50s when they started planting all these trees. That's what they were spraying on the food, arsenic and lead. And that's what's in the soil. And it's such a high level that they weren't allowed to just put in houses in the areas. So I assume based on other reports of how to get toxins out of the soil,

you grow the plants and then throw them out, you know, because they're full of art-like-and-led. Now, what do you think, then, you wanted that call about why they're growing hay on some of those fields? That's why. I think they're going to then feed it to the cows, and they're going to get arsenic to lead, but it'll clean up the soil. Oh, okay. So you're thinking that hay can chelate the bad stuff out of the soil, and then we just feed it to the cows, and then we eat the cows, and we still get the lead anyway, hmm, or the arsenic. Yep, that's what I think. That's an interesting take. Now, I'll give you another question here. I'm going to ask you a question here.

They're making a big deal about using glyphosate, Roundup weed killer, and spraying the medians on Sisku Boulevard and also in front of the Ashland School System. You have got a problem with that or not? That all evaporates into the clouds and comes down as rain again on us. So no way in the world. Even at the most minimal level, like I said, a half a part per billion, will destroy your gut flora. In other words, so Roundup Rain will kill us too then.

It's not just camp trail. Well, that's the Camt Trail then you're worried about. Dr. Klingharts says it's one of the major four extinctions, you know, besides the aluminum in the sky and blocking the sunlight. I forget the other one. Well, you know, a question I would ask, though, is that now elites, the elite people in control of the systems are pretty smart people for the most part. do they not eat the same foods and have the same water and issues that we do or what? Who knows where they're getting their food from, you know, or if they have a way to detox it out of their body,

there are ways getting a good high pulvic and humac acid. Yeah, well, maybe if you're a good globalist, maybe if you're a good globalist, I know this is kind of more of a conspiracy theory Thursday thing here, Lucretia, but maybe if you're a good globalist, you're like Jimmy Carter, and you end up getting the special stuff that even if you have cancer as you make it till almost 100. You know, that kind of thing.

Maybe that's what happens. Cone in from wherever it's safe. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Thanks for the call, as always, Lucretia. 853 and change at KMED. 993, KBXG.

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Dingy Harry Reid writes me this morning. Good morning, Bill. So are Oregon's colleges in trouble? SOU recently got a $15 million bailout courtesy of working private sector taxpayers. Next up, where I started my BS in accounting. PSU is now in financial trouble. I finished at Lewis and Clark, not worth the money in my opinion.

They can't make it. SOU dropped their math and chemistry degree programs. That's exactly what Noah was talking about here just a few minutes ago, dingy. But anyway, it's now just a liberal arts and nursing. PSU is mostly a liberal arts lefty spewing joke these days. It was getting that way when I went there in the late 70s. Now it's much worse, rather. As a dad, I figured out early.

Sent my son to community college for a couple of years. If he succeeded in getting an associates in mechanical engineering, I'd send him to OSU, where he earned his BSME. Smart kids that don't want the rigor of STEM degrees are learning the trades and starting as apprentices. Smart move, in my opinion. If they get out of the road valley, they can earn family supporting wages, certified welders, carpenters, HVAC, techs, electricians, and so on. I expect Oregon taxpayers to continue getting fleece keeping these underperforming colleges afloat.

Bet on it, after all, this is Ori Guns. All right. I appreciate you writing there. Alan writes me, Bill, about the animal cruelty thing. Remember the 1970s? Plants have real feelings. Does that mean I can't build my stick house and have my Caesar salad now? I don't know if they're going that far, but they're certainly about conditioning us, Alan.

I'll give you that. and the Reverend David ends up writing this morning that they had Hillcrest Drive and Grants Pass closed for some time now, and I recently discovered the reason. Grants Pass loves ever veterans so much. They built a nice retirement community for them right across the street from the cemetery. Did they really? I've got to go take a look at that.

I don't know. We'll talk tomorrow, okay? So my friends over at Pure Talk have been sending me customer feedback from consumer affairs.com, where thousands...