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Episode Date: March 12, 2026

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This hour of the Bill Myers Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Continuing the conversation with Kelly Markatouli. Kelly Markatouli. It's one of the people from Oregon for safer technology. And the last time I had her on, which I want to say was in December, it had to do with placement of cell phone towers.

and actually working hard on that. Kelly, welcome back. Good to have you on. Good morning. Good morning, Bill. Thanks for having me on again. Yeah, whatever happened to that issue when I talked to you, I think it was in December near the end of the year in which there was some talk about

the safe placing of cell phone towers in Ashland, if I understand. Wasn't that the case? Right. Yes. So the placement of cell towers, we have Southern Oregon University, and they had a proposal to put a new cell tower. on top of their science building. And to be honest, I don't know where that's at right now.

I know that in the past it had been proposed. I mean, I'm talking eight years ago. And the plan was dropped, and then it was brought back in. We do have a cell tower on the Southern Oregon University Stadium, where you'll see a huge cell tower attached to a light pole over the football stadium, which is very unfortunate. it, we do know that that will cause some harm to the spectators and to the players. Well, there is all sorts of controversy involving the radio frequency exposure,

especially with a higher frequency, 4G, 5G, 6G being rolled out now at this point in time, too, for the Internet of Things. And we find ourselves that everybody wants their cell phone to work, right? You have a cell phone, people want it to work wherever they are, and hence the antennas go up. But Oregonians for, or Oregon for safer technology, you're kind of pushing back on that, right? You're looking for a more nuanced approach?

What are you actually asking? I like the way you phrase that, a more nuanced approach, because the cell phone is here to stay. Definitely is going to be used and needed by many people in the future and currently. But the question is, how much do you rely on your cell phone to get you to play a game? to get you to interact with people, you know, miles and miles and miles away,

and at what cost is that going to be? And I don't mean interacting as in making a phone call. We understand the need for cell phones for that purpose. But computers were developed so that people can sit at a desk or at home and work and engage in the Internet. And I think that is a safer way to go, so you're not traveling with a computer next to your body. Because in order for a computer to work next to your body, it has to work very, very hard. And that pulse radiation is what is of concern.

You have agencies that are wrapped up in the profitability of these devices, and so they will not be pushing back against our philosophy that less is more right now. and I hope I'm making sense, but I think that the main point is you don't need cell towers everywhere and who wants them everywhere. We know that real estate values will drop by as much as 20% when a cell tower goes nearby a home. And if you plan to sell your home, who wants that and who wants to live next to a cell tower? I mean...

Yeah, well, so what you're saying that is that even if the science will be kind of murky on that particular issue, the cell tower goes up in the real estate market. plummets for your home, that's what you're saying, huh? So the market reacts to that one way or the other, I guess. Definitely. But the science is not murky. The science is very clear. It's just that the United States government has not done their due diligence in looking

at the science and reporting that science to media sources via mainstream media or to their own agencies, the FCC, the FDA. they turn a blind eye to this issue because, as we've said, lobbyists are very powerful in Washington. And the science is based on non-heating tissue, and it's 30 years old. So non-heating means, you know, when you get an x-ray, you don't feel that x-ray. When you get a stage 4 cancer diagnosis, did you notice that your body was telling you you had cancer? Yes, maybe you developed a cough.

Yes, maybe there were other symptoms. but generally, this device that people use ubiquitously and constantly, there's going to be a price, and you may not notice it. And it's similar to smoking. We can go down that road and talk about that. But I do think the precautionary principle, which tells us that unless you are sure whatever you're doing, whether it be using glyphosate on your garden or using your cell phone or putting asbestos, and your roofing. Unless you know for sure that stuff is safe, why use it?

Okay. Now, to your point, though, you're putting out, and this is what I'm willing to, you know, give you some time on this one because you're doing some free workshops on these issues. And I guess what you are calling this is healthy living with the safe technology. In other words, you're not saying that you're going to get rid of this, but we're showing you want to show people how you can actually work within it. I would imagine when it comes to the internet, you'd prefer everybody be on cat 5 or cat 6 cable at home, right? It's what you're thinking. Yeah, definitely. Rather than throwing it on the Wi-Fi, which everybody else is doing right now at the moment, I guess. Exactly. Well, Ashland, where I am, we do have a program, Ashland Fiber

Network, it's AFN, and I'm promoting that city system. It is connected into the city, and don't ask me how, but it will benefit the city because if you purchase your internet via AT&T or T-Mobile, etc., you're putting money in the pockets of somebody you don't know, somebody in Washington, we don't know where these companies are based, but AFN is based here in Oregon, and why not put money in the pockets of other Oregonians and keep money local? So Ashland Fiber Network is a better way to go. It's fiber. fiber is safer, more secure, and it is just a healthier opportunity for everybody, at least

if you have it available. Yeah, now I won't disagree with you on fiber optic. Certainly a better way of delivering it rather than, you know, 5G, 6G, you know, over-the-air wireless. But 5G, 6G over-the-air wireless, of course, it's incredibly useful, especially if your world is trying to get us into the Internet of Things, right? The Internet of Things, which everything is an IP address. It is located on the web. Everything from your refrigerator to tell you when you're out of eggs, to your car to tell you when your tires are worn out. You can see that kind of world that

is trying to be built right now, can't you, Kelly? Well, it's not a world I want to live in because I want people to be smarter, not dumber. Even though these smart devices claim, you know, they're smart, they're making you dumber. People are forgetting how to get to their own grandmother's house. People are not looking at their own tires to go, oh, brain, think. Does that tire look lower than the other one?

The internet of things and AI are stealing our own opportunities for our brain synapses to function. And we see this in school scores where students are not performing like they used

too. They don't know how to communicate. And that's a whole other... Yeah, but that's not what you're going to be talking about Saturday. I just want to make sure people know about this. So, in fact, I probably should have mentioned this first. I'm burying the lead, you know, as they say, in the world. So Oregon for safer technology doing a series of three, free workshops and seminars on these issues on how to live more healthily, I guess, in conjunction with these various technologies. Is that a fair way of looking at it. Yeah, and if I can just plug those three right now and give details, would that be fine? Sure. Go ahead. Okay. So the first one is in Ashland at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library

at 1757 Ashland Street. And that one, this is Saturday, this Saturday from 4 to 6, right? From 4 to 6, correct. And then we also have one on March 26, which is a Thursday, and that's at the Medford Library, and that's from 5 to 7 on a Thursday, March 26. And then the last one will be at the Rogue Valley Center for Spiritual Living, and that's also in Medford, and that's March 29th, Sunday, and that's from 1230 until 2. And you're right. We're just going to be giving information about, yes, use your cell phone,

but if you can void it, don't use it in your car. Use your cell phone, but try and use it when you have better signal than a poor signal because your cell phone has to work harder and emits more radiation, things like that, and why we believe that this information is important, why the government is not releasing this information to us. Other countries are way ahead of us as far as protecting human health. Could you give me an example of a country that, in your opinion, does a better job of protecting on wireless health? Sure. So Australia just, and this is very controversial, some listeners may think, oh my God, I would never want to do that.

But in Australia, they've just required that children be the age of 18 before they get, not a cell phone, but their own social media accounts, which is a whole different topic. I mean, we can talk about how social media has really devastated the children of today because of so many reasons of self-esteem, suicide ideation, and depression and I mean with young boys we know that their visits to porn sites has gone up gambling you know it's just a whole gamut of of issues yeah there's been a positive but a whole bunch of negatives that have come along with it and I don't know if I don't know how old you are Kelly and I'm not going to ask okay but I've often wondered had and I'm no neb nosy you know

nanny stater kind of guy this is not the guy I am but I wonder how I would have turned out had I had the social media pressures of today thrown on me in that, you know, in 1975 in high school. I just don't know how I would have come out. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I turned it over to you. It's all right. Well, no, I appreciate that because I agree.

I was a very sensitive and I'm probably in your age range. So we're on the same page with that. But you're right. the low confidence is just augmented when you have these devices that compare you to other people. And I have a 27-year-old daughter. I'll just admit that part. And the other week, last week she told me, Mom, more people my age are going analog. She said people my age are rejecting AI.

She's very much involved in looking at how climate change is impacting health. and she's, you know, questioning about whether she'll ever want to have children in this current environment. We're living in both political and environmental, but also the analog issue, her generation is seeing the detriment that it's caused in just so many ways. Well, your daughter grew up as the first truly, purely digital generation from birth. Yep, Gen Z. Yeah, that's it. My son, my younger son.

is that way too. And not even talking about the radiation issue. There's a book that was released in 2024 called The Anxious Generation. I just finished reading it. It is devastating. This social psychologist talks about all the research, all the data that he's collected. And it really just goes to what I was just speaking of with the psychological harm that it's caused children and, you know, our children who are now grown, but they've had to come back around and go, okay, now that they're adults, they can look at this technology and say, is it helping me or is it hurting me? But you have today's kids who are 10, 12, even 8 years old, and they're getting Instagram accounts. No, that is not healthy.

I do not believe that's necessary. need to be outside, playing, taking risks, getting, learning what it's like to resolve conflicts without, you know, throwing memes or hurtful comments on it online. Or getting a firearm and shooting up the neighborhood, too, you know, in some cases. Oh, please, yeah. So don't even get, so don't even get me going there, okay? But I appreciate the take on it. And Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library, 1757 Ashland Street, that's going to be going on Saturday,

day four to six, the first of these living, healthy living with safe technology-free workshops. There's another one next Thursday, carpenter room of the downtown Medford Library, and then on North Holly Street. What I'll do is get all this information up on my show blog today on KMED.com, and hey, it's free, and now you say snacks are provided. I'm going to assume that these are GMO-free and no glyphosate, right? I can't guarantee anything these days, but I'll do my best provide some healthy snacks. Okay, so, I mean, if I see, if somebody calls back and then they said that they're seeing big Costco muffins, you're getting the merits, okay?

I'm having fun with you. You know that, Kelly. I know that. And your listeners can go to OR. This is our website, and they can get the information here, OR, the number four, OR4, safertech.org. And I want to suggest to all your listeners today that they pick up their phone. Okay, I'm on an old-fashioned phone where I have. of it holding a note to my head, but take your phone, your cell phone, and call a human being and just say, I'm calling to say hello. I've realized my phone doesn't ring very often. I call people, and I would like people to call each other and just have a human conversation, no text, no email, connect person to person, and make somebody's day.

Kelly Markatooly, I appreciate you call. Hey, do you have time for, I think we may have a quick question here from someone or maybe a comment. Let me grab one. Hi, you're on with Kelly Markatooley. Who's this? Yeah, good morning, Bill. It's David again. I just wanted to tell Kelly, thank you. Look forward to coming up to the meeting. The only reason that these companies are providing G5 and Wi-Fi and stuff is because we're demanding it with our dollars. What's the opportunity for people to get off the smartphone and go back to mailing and doing banking and doing things in person and get offline?

because we demand it. It's our money that's given us this stuff so we can complain, but we're paying for it. So I just want to hear that. All right. Thank you, David. What do you say, Kelly? Oh, he's making an excellent point. We are paying these companies to radiate and radiate our bodies.

And so to his point, money talks. And CenturyLink, God bless them. They're still in business. You can still, I hope, get a landline that is a true landline that, during an emergency evacuation, your landline should ring to tell you to evacuate. You should not have to depend on a cell tower communication. I mean, yes, it may work, and it would, you know, 90% of the time, let's hope it does work, but the landline is a more secure form of communication.

And again, money talks. So the more apps you buy, the more smart devices you buy, all of that is putting money into the pockets of people who are wealthy enough. Thank you very much. do not need your refrigerated to tell you you're out of eggs, your eyes can do that job for you. So thanks, David, for that comment. I agree. What do you mean? That refrigerator, I mean, that would take seconds. We don't want that. It would take seconds for me to look inside the refrigerator.

Well, you find those seconds. Okay. All right. All right. All right. I'll be thoroughly chastened. Kelly, thank you. Actually, I appreciate the thought-provoking conversation. Okay. Thanks so much. Thanks so much, Bill. Bye-bye. It is 830. too at KMED. Hey, you know, if I can't have a little bit of fun with the snacks and more, you know, what's the point, right? The following preview has been rated immature for all audiences except metal roof and the Tia Medford.com. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED.

Yes, indeed, it is conspiracy theory Thursday, which means I'll talk with anyone, even beleaguered Brad. Hey, Brad, how you doing? Welcome back. Hey, Bill, good morning. So, Bill, isn't it a conspiracy? Is there some invisible conspiracy in Oregon that's trying to force Portland planning-like decisions on other cities in Oregon? Yes. When we see Portland properties. No, no, just stop. No, just stop.

Just stop. Yes. So this is where I tell you or remind you what you already know, that Portland property values have dropped $2 billion on their 20 largest properties just since 2019. And it has gotten so bad that they had to tap the state. legislature for $365 million to do improvements to the modus center. In other words, you got this modus center. By the way, nobody wants to live down there. Nobody wants to live around the voter center. Well, but you know, that also had, they wanted to save the blazers. They wanted to

keep the trailblazers here, though. That was what that was for, not necessarily just rebuilding moda, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. But, but, so that, well, doesn't that kind of beg the question. If you've got a situation where, I mean, so many hundreds of millions of dollars have already spent, but it's still not enough, they have to go to the state legislature, and the state legislature is kicking the dirt looking for quarters because they're already so deeply in debt. But they're going to dig down for the benefit of one city in Oregon, right? One city, $365 million because the market in general won't support it. Why would anybody want to copy that model for any other city in Oregon?

And I mean, for Pete's sake, why would you want to? How does it make any sense? Well, to your point, that may speak to our desire to attract a sports team to Medford. Wouldn't that have some weight or give some weight to your argument about Portland? Well, I think the question you need to ask is, is who benefits? You know, are the people that already have homes there? Are they benefiting? In other words, moving a sports center, if you could wave a magic wand and drop modus, center right into the middle of Medford. Does that benefit to people that already live there?

Does that help? No, not really. It wouldn't. Of course, you know me, though. I am quite, I'm a doubting Thomas or a doubting Billy, I guess, as the case might be. When it comes to this, it's almost like a Jedi mind trick that the sports industry always plays, that somehow having taxpayers or taxpayer funds or money that could be going to support other taxpayer issues is better spent on building sports facilities for private companies.

I just tend to be a doubting guy about such things, okay? In the first place. One of your best educated and most popular presenters is Diana Anderson talking about how planning processes are being used to alter Oregon, you know, the Oregon's social landscape. And you really, Bill, don't we see that? Don't we really see how the planning process is being used to leverage in these rural communities?

We want, we, the overweening we, we want these rural Oregon communities to look more like Portland. And why in the world would we want that when Portland is just dropping like a rock? Nobody can look at Portland and say this is a model for success anymore. I don't know how anybody can say that. and why would anybody want to copy them for any reason? Point well taken. Brett, thank you for the call.

839. Simon Hare. We're going to talk with him in just a moment. Shifted over to Josephine County. Actually, he wants to be treasurer. Why? I thought he wanted to be county commissioner, but maybe he'll explain that.

$5,000. That's the average amount of money. Newslumber.com. Good morning. This is News Talk 1063, KMED. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers show. Former Josephine County Commissioner, Simon Hare. It's on the program.

Simon, how are you this morning? I'm well, Bill. Thanks for reaching out. I think you are the only person in Josephine County not running for county commissioner right now, even though you were running for county commissioner. It seems like there's quite a slate of people, that's for sure. Yes. And then I couldn't help but notice that now you are running for county treasurer instead.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, when I ran the first time back in 2011, I spent a lot of time looking for somebody else because I knew it's a thankless job, a lot of pressure. And boy, we were in a bad situation back then. And I couldn't really find anybody. So I stepped in and put my hat in the ring and ended up taking out an incumbent and stuff and served for eight years. And it was a heck of a ride, but there's a lot of work to do.

And then a Chad Hanson put his name in the hat, and I decided, hey, more power to you. I think he's a great candidate and is going to do a really good job in there for Josephine County. Okay, so you're speaking about the running for county commission. Yeah, position too. And so, but I stepped back and I looked at, you know, the people who were in office, who were running for office. And something came to my attention, a real deficit in our treasury program. currently our appointed treasurer is not been there for, I don't even think, a year yet. And already he has a challenging situation with a local financial institution where, I guess

he might have stopped payment on a check. And so they're having to take legal action against the county. And I don't think that is the best solution to that, that challenge. They're a longstanding foundational, you know, business in our community. and the county should never get sideways with an institution like that. So I think that there's, that's what we are seeing on the outside. I just wonder what's happening behind, you know, behind the scenes in that office. Okay.

Now, you're talking about Mr. Calvo, the current, you know, appointed one. Yes. Now, the thing is, though, are you saying that there was something wrong with stopping payment on a check to, I'm not familiar with this, which? Yeah, I'm not prevy to all of the specifics. I have reached out to that financial institution. and they're, you know, unfortunately probably having to take legal action against the county for a stop to check. And I just feel like that is a decision that's probably above his pay grade.

It'll all possibly get worked out in court, but that can't be the best solution. I would suggest trying to avoid litigation at, you know, as much as possible. All right. Well, did you want to become a treasurer for that reason? Or was it literally, hey, you know, who wants to join a jungle with nine? other candidates? Well, the real motivating factor was the fact that there's really no transparency. And even though I was the county commissioner and then recently appointed as a budget officer for Josephine County, I have never really seen after the board makes a decision how the money gets moved around. And everybody has always speculated, hey, the county's got tons of money.

It's just buried in the basement somewhere. Ironically, the treasurer's offices down in the basement floor of the courthouse. And I thought, you know what, there's $106 million that moved through that office. And I've never really seen under the hood. Well, isn't what you're really talking about, though, because people will say this. There's a lot of money within the county, right? They'll say this, or it's buried like you had talked about here. I think it's sort of misplaced criticism. I mean, certainly you can have reserves. There's certainly reserves. And there are also which are statutorily required for the most part. You'd be familiar with that, having been a county commissioner before.

I'm familiar with, yeah, all of that stuff. And also, so much of the Josephine County budget is really passed through funding, isn't it? It's money that'll come from either. Oh, you're absolutely right, a majority of it. And the $106 million that I was referencing, we collect all of the funds for all of the taxing districts in Josephine County. That's right. But that all passes through his office. so does every check that the county sends out passes through the treasurer's office.

So there's a lot happening down there that's disconnected from what I'm super familiar with is the financial side of the county. That's the treasury side is what I'm talking about. And I really don't know. We've had great people in there in the past that I think did a phenomenal job. John Harrelson did a great job when I first came into office. He used to make us a million dollars in interest revenue every year. year that we could use to fund things like the DA's office and the juvenile shelter and detention

facility. And, you know, that's growing that pool of general fund money that is discretionary. And that's what you would be hoping to do. I'm intimating that from your point of view. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. All right. All right. So at least you explain because I was kind of scratching my hand. I said, wait a minute, I thought he was running for county commissioner. No, absolutely. And, you know, I'm willing to serve wherever the county needs. I'm kind of, this is what I am good at. I think when I was in office, you know, people can be critical of certain personal decisions that I struggled with in the past. But Bill, I've not heard a lot of people being critical of the things that I actually did in my eight years. I mean, I'm open to criticism and I'd love to sit down and debate anyone one thing I did in those eight years. But, you know, you can correct me if I'm wrong, you won't hear a lot of that of decisions I made or processes. I was trying to be really transparent with everything. And if you go on the treasurer's website right now, there's not, there's not even the last quarterly report that should be publicly displayed for the last five years

on his website. And I think that's a real shortcoming. Okay. So you're looking for more transparency. Final question I would have for you. What was your opinion of the process? I'm not talking about who ended up being appointed, but the actual process of getting the two former commissioners replaced recently. Well, Bill, I'm glad you asked that, but it's probably a longer conversation because I could armchair quarterback everything that goes on at the county. But this one was really interesting. We've never done this before, so I want to give the committee some latitude. but from the standpoint that I made two appointments in my freshman year when I got elected,

you know, remember Sandy Cassinelli got recalled and then, and Dwight Ellis resigned. So it's not like we hadn't done it before and it worked really well. I did it as a candidate forum based on the advice from previous legal counsel, Steve Rich. It works so great. Nobody got the questions ahead of time. Maybe we selected six people to interview. everybody got to do an introduction. They got a question to go first on, a question to go last on. But it was like a candidate's forum at the Ann Basker. This one, there was even a can't, one of the committee members who said, can we do this in executive session? They totally missed the whole point. They're supposed to be selecting what the voters would have approved of. And I selected Harold Hogan and Don Reedy because they had been previously selected by the voters. Like you can't. You can't argue. I'm not usurping the voters by picking people that the voters had already said no to.

So I really struggled. And it's not against, you know, I like Gary Richardson and Colleen, they're good people. But if you're supposed to be filling the seat for an interim basis of 10 months, you have to be experienced. Every meeting they've done so far, there's things they've done wrong. And I don't go to the weekly business sessions and berate. them about these errors. But like, for instance, last night, they voted on a fee change, a rate increase for the solid waste franchisees, and they didn't even give the public a chance to weigh in on a rate increase. It's totally antithetical to the whole purpose of it being at a weekly business session, but they don't know that. And you can give them grace if that's their freshman year and they got elected. Yeah, well, you see, that was my, that was my impression of things,

too, here, Simon. That was my concern about. this because the last thing that and this is nothing against Colleen and Gary I know them both as good people too like you mentioned but there have been so many challenges within the board that to have had two just absolutely green people in that position was was probably not serving the county as well as it could have been done that was my opinion of what happened okay when I looked at their first agenda they they didn't push back on a single thing and the agenda was almost a page and change. It was over a page long, maybe $2 million of appropriation

with new positions. They were told they were all budgeted. That's not true. I was a budget officer. I can speak to that with authority. And there was every single one of those things had challenges and good questions that should have been asked that weren't. And maybe they all needed to be approved and maybe they didn't. But I just felt like the taxpayers and the citizens are getting kind of a bum wrap when it feels like this board is kind of a rubber stamp for anything and everything that the elected officials or the staff brings before them, they never, they're never going to say no, Bill. They're just not. They don't. That's kind of what I suspected here, Simon. Well, I appreciate you call and at least explaining what's going on with this move to the treasurer side of

things. And we'll have you back as always, but thank you for checking in. All right. Anytime, Bill. Yeah, enjoy talking to you. Thank you. Former Josephine County Commissioner Simon Hare, and, of course, now he's candidate for county treasurer. It is 853 at KMED. Are you ready to travel swimmer? Hi, I'm Eric Stanley Thodeutton Douglas County.

Landslides, Rockville. 854 and change. See, you grab another caller to to wrap up in Spiracy Theory Thursday. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Oh, hey, Bill. Yeah, David, down in San Francisco. Yeah, I heard you talking about the,

cost of living in the city of Portland and whether or not that the demands on Portland are breaching out into the rest of the state. If you look at the cost of living all around the nation, it's incredibly high. You know, I've called you five years ago. Yeah. What would you suggest, though? The only problem is I only got like two minutes and then I turn into a pumpkin, David, so I don't want to rush you. But we've got to. a rush. What are you thinking? Well, the rich have to pay their taxes. They're getting the advantage for the inflation. In other words, rent down here, $5,000, $6,000 a month for a studio bedroom. You know, the incredible burden on the average person is insane, and the rich don't want to pay taxes.

Okay, well, I understand that, except that when I look up the research on the top 1% of earners right now in the country are already paying 40 to 45% of all the federal income tax coming in. No, they're not. They're paying 4%. That study came out like a week and a half ago or so. No, I'm not talking about rate. I'm talking about 40 to 45% of all federal income taxes right now, and even if you confiscated all their own. wealth. If you confiscated everything of everybody over 700,000. It's not an issue of confiscation. It's a matter of fairness. That those guys are not even paying, you know, Donald Trump, $750 in federal

taxes, $750. And it took years for us to find that out. And this guy is getting the advantage of the property values going higher and higher and higher. All right. So what would you say? suggest that. I'll give you 30 seconds then I've got to go. Okay. 30 seconds I got to go. What would you do? Well, property values are going higher for the super rich and you're not paying accordingly. Okay. What would you do? Well, we're going to have to decide whether or not we're going to allow them to even use money. I mean, these guys are coming up with fake and more and more fake money. And then they're, for example, there's cyber currencies. You know, okay. Okay. Now, I'm not, You and I may find common cause on the issue of the Federal Reserve.

I'll get you. But thank you for the call, David. I'm just out of time, okay? I don't want to be rude about this. Let me grab another one. Hi, good morning. KMED. Who is this?

Morning, Bill. This is Phil, Rowe Grover. Phil, go ahead. About our prospective treasurer and the last commissioners meetings or whatever he said, he said they just arbitrarily raised the freaking solid disposal fee. That means trickle down the road. everybody that has a septic tank will now have to pay more because they're just going to pass it on to us.

Why would a solid waste disposal? So I guess what? You're talking about the pump out? Is that what you're speaking of? Yeah, the pump trucks that come and pump out 1,500 gallons of our waste. Oh, okay. So now we're going to have to pay more. Yeah.

Well, this was the concern that I had with an inexperienced board. you essentially have a lightly experienced Ron Smith and then an inexperienced on the board, Colleen and Gary. You know, and that's what I was concerned about that was going to come up here. One would think that the public would get the vote on something like that if it's going to impact everybody that's live out in the rural properties. Yeah, I would think so. I don't know what does the county charter say? Do the voters get it saying on everything? I don't know if they do or not.

I don't have it in front of me right now. But maybe we'll have to talk more about that tomorrow. I'm just out of time. I have officially turned into a pumpkin on conspiracy theory Thursday, and we'll see you tomorrow. All right, thank you.