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Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Outdoor report with Greg at Rogue Weather Dot com and more open phone topics and conversation.

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and it had to do with how the CIA once tried to train cats to be Cold War spies. And it failed miserably. We're going to try to train cats and release them around the Russian embassy or get them into the Russian embassy. And they found out what all of us who have ever had cats knows. You almost can't train a cat to do anything that the cat doesn't want to do. Exactly. Yeah.

just cracks me up. No, I didn't see that, but no, I'm not surprised that was the finding. I mean, trust the government to, you know, well, do things like this, waste money on things like that. Yeah, and they were talking about the psychology of the cat, because the dog wants to please us. The dog has been bred and is there to please us, looks at us as the alpha, and the cat will always tend to look at humans and you know you have to negotiate with a cat more or less in many cases the cat has to want has to want to do this and and i guess they spent forever trying to train these cats to spy on the russians back during the cold war that just cracks me up just to see this that that does me too the only other animal i'm aware of outside of dogs that they had any

kind of success in training and especially, you know, for doing pretty technical work, dolphins. Dolphins, yeah, very intelligent. I understand that. Yeah. Yeah, I have a cousin who retired now from the Navy. He prolonged his Navy enlistment because he was given the opportunity to work with the recovery dolphin team.

Oh. And he did. He extended his naval hitch 10 years. Now, when you say the recovery dolphin team, are these dolphins that would go out and, like, save divers, or was it a different kind of recovery? What kind of recovery? No, they would go out. They could find objects. Oh.

They could even locate bodies submerged. Because, again, you know, dolphins with their echolocation, they're sonar, they're on all kinds of things. So the Navy has trained dolphin teams to accomplish two purposes. One of which is rescue recovery, and that was the team that my cousin worked with. And he said that was one of those times in his life where he felt like he wasn't even doing a job. He was having fun and being paid to have fun. It's interesting that I've read so many stories about dolphins, too, that have schools of dolphins in which someone could be drowning out in the middle of the ocean,

you know, falls off a boat or something like that. and you'll read about them, you know, putting their bodies and getting a little buoyancy to someone who they detect in stress. I think that's very interesting. That's been reported here in the U.S. It's been reported in Australia. In Australia, there have been documented instances of dolphins for attacking or going to attack people. That's really something. You've got to admire that kind of a...

consciousness in the ocean, too. All right, now, I didn't want to go all the way off onto this, but I was just reading this just as we're coming on. I'm picking cats trying to train the cats. Forget about it. Ain't going to happen, all right. No, yeah, nothing. If the cat doesn't want to do it, yeah, no, sorry.

Yeah, that's what I like about it. You know, a cat is smart, but anyway. Let's move along here with the Outdoor Report, which is sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford. I don't know if, you know, maybe cats, dogs, dolphins, you know, they'll help you out over there one way or the other. So, Greg, as far as the outdoor climate, the weather, kind of boringly pleasant is how I'm looking at it this week, but is that just for this week? And what are we looking at long term? Yeah, for this week.

It's crazy. The for upper air temps over us, we expect to see that. So we're literally going to have May weather in March. And yesterday, actually, even Friday, going over to Klamath and then coming back home yesterday, you know, you hear how bad the snowpack is. It's another thing to actually see it. To our listeners, it's up 140. It's absolutely going to be beautiful. You're not going to have to worry about any snow and ice at all, except maybe in the morning's little patches of moisture, but it's not like wintertime. There is no, And I don't mean just along the road. I mean in the woods, in the trees.

There's nothing up there. Boy, we're really setting up for a pretty dry summer from the looks, huh? I've been hearing all these reports about how low the snowpack is, and yes, I look at the webcams from Mount Ashland that now they pulled those down since they announced their season is over. So you look at Crater Lake, you look at the ODOT webcams, And that kind of gives you a selected look, and you kind of wonder, how bad is it really all over? I saw yesterday and Friday coming to and from Klamath Falls, and then looking at the mountains, it's every bit as bad as what it looks. It may even be worse, because Friday, when I was headed over, when I made that curve and I could see Pelican, Pelican only has snow at the very top of it at over 6,000 feet.

And you can tell it is very minimal snow cover. How much is on McLaughlin you're going by and you can see it up close? Oh, wow. To you, it's not nearly as much snow as should be up there at any of the elevation points from Mount Shasta, which is the only peak even remotely close. We're probably, I'm going to estimate maybe four or five feet of snow up at the summit. and in a normal year that's going to be well over 10 feet at this time at the summit on McLaughlin. All right, so it's going to be a longer dry spell than we were actually hoping.

And we actually had a bit of rain from time to time here over this winter, but we just shove it down the river. We don't really store a whole lot of it. Or it soaks into the ground. It goes into the groundwater system. It's kind of a case of both. It doesn't all just completely run out to the sea. But regardless, we didn't get anywhere close to anything that would have been a normal winter by any stretch.

And then you're looking at what's going on in the middle of the country back east there. It's quite frigid. It's almost like the weather patterns have shifted. Well, no, it did. We got the rigging. We got the persistent ridging. like we're going to have again right now and going all the way out through the end of the month. I mean, next week is spring break for the schools in Oregon and shaping up like, hey, it's going to be a very beautiful spring break,

at least the way it looks right now. So you can go do any number of things. You know, and people always have told me, how come it always has to rain and be so cold in spring break? Well, it can be that way this year. Not this time, for sure. All right. So is any of this going to change? Any chance of a late spring, early or early spring, I should say, late winter bailout of some of this, or is just this ridging so intense? It's just going to stay that way. It's so hopeful we would get into that wetter spring because of what happened with the winter. And right now, this persistent ridging, not seeing any evidence that that's going to break down and launch us into, you know, cooler, wetter spring. I'm not seeing it anywhere out there on the horizon. It might, but

it's sure not looking that way right now. How are the lakes and reservoirs looking at this point in time? A lot of times they'll draw down, let's say, a reservoir in anticipation of snow and or rain that didn't come. And I'm wondering if we did that this time around. For Army Corps of Engineers, I really, I couldn't tell you. I mean, obviously, I think they have adjusted things in California. Because Shasta, if you go south and you look at Shasta, it is much fuller than you would expect it to be. The same thing is true at Trinity Reservoir, at Whiskey Town. They definitely changed how they're managing those reservoirs in California and for the better.

I'm not aware that they've done that here in Oregon. So say, for example, Applegate, they're probably. going to follow the quote unquote flow chart that dictates we release water and then are going to have a very poor rain and snow year so okay well I guess we'll find out what about Klamath do you know how the Klamath is looking as far as you know Klamath did judge removal all up and down the system maybe we'll see it but quite honestly driving by Klamath yesterday the thing that I noticed is uh water level looks pretty much where it always always looks that everybody loves so much. That water is degrees warmer than it should be at this

time of the year, being a loner vehicle. And I wound up getting pretty well caked and plastered with bugs, Lake, and even out through Rocky Point. So the mid-season, where you hit so many see-through-the-wind shield, that's already getting kick started. All right. Does that mean that we'll see better fishing earlier? Yes, earlier, but unfortunately, if we get a summer with any kind of real heat, fishing in the lakes will definitely shut off because the water temperature gets to a point. The trout don't like it. They don't want to exert. And so shallower lakes, Howard, Hyatt, Willow, they reach a point where the water in the lake is so warm. The trout are just like, forget it. I don't want a bite. And then you've got to go to, you know, Lost Creek. You've got to work deeper into the

water column or get closer to where the rogue is coming into the lake, work those areas where that cooler water is, and the fish are going to be more aggressive in terms of a bite. Then you've got other lakes like Fish Lake. You've got to be fishing the springs. If you're not fishing the Springs, you're probably not going to do too well. Diamond Lake, it'll be the same thing. You want to be working the deeper, colder water. All right, very good. Hey, Greg, there was something you learned at the recent outdoor show in Metford that you wanted to talk about.

I forget exactly what it was. I want to make sure we didn't forget, though, for your act. Actually, it was what happened this weekend in Klamath. Oh, in Klamath. I'm sorry. Go ahead. And, you know, I did my Bigfoot town halls on Friday and Saturday, the formal ones, and the Sportsman's Theater, then we did an informal one yesterday because I had a group of people gathered

around me, and I didn't want to stop the conversation to go to the Sportsman's Theater. So we just did it right at the booth. And was what happened Saturday evening. This gentleman, and he was your classic Klamath Basin cowboy-looking guy, he and his girlfriend came by, and he's looking at my banner, and he goes, Lily, that's why I'm here. So we start having a conversation. He's sure where this guy was going at first, and he goes, naming locations. I saw a funny look come over his face, and when I mentioned Sky Lakes, he started talking about a specific location in Sky Lakes.

He was up there last October in the hunting season, had his dogs with him, they camped out up there, and on the fourth night of the hunting trip, he said, something. visited our camp and started pacing around our camp. And it went on for five hours. And this thing started making noise. He said, like howls. And I said, well, can you describe what you heard? And he goes, and he pulls out his play it for you. What did he play? I went, oh my gosh. He played it absolute 100% Bigfoot vocalization. And you were looking in him. And he didn't strike you as like one of your believe him types, right? No, no. He is your classic cowboy. He's one of those rock solid Sam Elliott kind of, yes, ma'am, no man, no nonsense. And he handed me his phone, and I listened to it, and it was a 100% to nothing else out there makes that sound. He goes, got to tell you, I ain't never heard nothing like that out there before. And I said, no, I understand this. And I'm listening to.

to it, but in the background, I'm hearing noise. And I asked him, I said, what's, you can hear this, what sounded like background while this thing is vocalizing. And he goes, I never even picked up on that. And I said, do you know what that is? And he goes, and there's tree knocking going on. His girlfriend, who I found out is a member of the Klamath tribe, is looking at him. And she starts grinning and I saw her looking at him and I go, oh, here it comes. And she did it. She goes, it was a big foot. And apparently the backstory on this was he heard it. He played it for her. She told him exactly what it was. And he didn't want to believe it coming from her. But I ended the debate and then I definitely describe it on here. But the really cool part was that absolutely

was the family group that I follow around up there because then I started drilling down. Was there rock throwing? Was there screaming? Was there tree breaking? Was there? He goes, no, it just kept pacing around the camp and it would be making what you hear, which was kind of more of a scream rather than a howl. And I went, okay. So we pieced it all together by far. the coolest thing that I have had happened since I've started doing these shows and doing the Bigfoot talks, somebody shows up completely at random and has audio recording of my family group in the Sky Lakes. I was absolutely thrilled. That is pretty cool. So not only is today the outdoor report, but also the Cryptozoology Report for Monday. You know, as it turned

out because those are the kind of things that, you know, you go into these shows and when the Bigfoot topic comes up, you never know exactly what's going to happen. And then I had a guy who lives down in northeastern Susquee County, and he's got a cohabitation thing going on. They will have a family group of Bigfoot's that shows up on their place, and they spend the winter there. And then in the summer, he goes, they got to be going up there in the high country in Hebron and Grass Lake, somewhere up and there. But he says, right now they're down on my place. And this has been going on with him for the eight years they've lived there. And I'm like, there are people I know that would give their left arm to be able to have that experience.

Well, pretty cool news there. I appreciate the report here, Greg. we'll go back to our normal Fridays this coming Fridays so that'd be great. I've missed you on Friday. I really prefer you on Friday. So we'll... Well, yeah, we do too, because the one thing I have been hearing consistently since we made the switch to Monday because of the shows is, man, I get, I just, I miss it on Fridays.

I just can't seem to get myself in gear on Mondays to get it. So I always say, well, of course, there's the archive. You can go listen to it. but everybody is much, much happier when we're on Friday when we should be. And we'll go back to Friday this coming Friday. Hey, we're asking a quick one before we take off. You know how the historic prospect hotel plan looks like they're going to be employees for Crater Lake? You know, it'll actually be turned into employee housing for people working at Crater Lake.

Will this lack of snowpack actually generate a pretty good year probably to actually go up to Crater Lake? Well, it'll generate a good year earlier. I don't know that summertime it really makes that big of an impact, but definitely now through, say, Memorial Day weekend, if people know they're going to be able to get up easily to the rim, there's going to be more accessibility in the park than there normally would be, and they don't have to worry about snow. Yeah, that will certainly drive visits to the park at a time where it typically wouldn't happen. The summer is always the summer. The other thing this means is the north entrance to the park and the northern sections of the rim road that typically in an average year are not going to open until July, almost the 1st of August. I kind of think by the time we hit 4th of July and maybe even sooner, we will see the north entrance and the full rim road open this year.

All right, very good. Well, that'll help the tourism aspect out there for sure. All right, Greg, we'll talk on Friday. You'd be well and anything breaks. You just let us know. But it looks like it's going to be pretty boringly pleasant this week. So let's do it. And then the nice, like, National Weather Services portraying there will be this weekend.

on Friday morning, we're going to know for sure, but I'll tell you right now, I have my doubts. All right. I'm looking forward to an excuse not to water the lawn and to let the lawn die this summer, okay? That's what I'm going to do. No, no doubt about that. All right. You just reminded me of something else, but we'll save it for Friday. All right.

Catch you then. Take care. You got it. See you then. Greg Roberts atrogweather.com. And the weather, like I said, pretty easy. It's just going to be really nice this week, about 73s. 74, maybe even 80 or so close to 80 on Thursday, according to Bobby J.

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We can do this afternoon's and handed the update here, getting things back in order. Coming up, the most honest judge on the Ninth Circuit. The most honest judge of all. And I'll give you a hint, his name, Judge Van Dyke. The most honest. And, of course, he's being criticized from the woke left over a decision on a transgender deal from Friday. I'll share that story in case you missed it over the week. weekend coming up picture it a backyard party the grill is hot and you're i'm charlene owner of american

industrial door and i'm on 106.7 kmede 746 i had made a comment yesterday on facebook about the about the oscars and someone had mentioned i guess some liberal from grants pass had mentioned well can't you watch can't you watch anything can just go out and just appreciate the art for what is because, you know, that battle movie, which was the best picture yesterday, I predicted that was going to win. It's obvious this is perfect for the United States of Hollywood, which, of course, is very, very left-wing. And this is the one which, of course, it's about left-wing revolutionaries, a washed-up left-wing revolutionary, and they're going out there and promoting open borders and all the

rest of it. This is the perfect resisting Trump Oscar. And even though almost nobody saw it from what I understand. But, of course, did you see that? Did you see that Leonardo DiCaprio movie? You know, the battle, you know, the battle movie. Did you see it? You know, what did you think about it?

But that ended up being called the best movie. The best movie of 2025. But, you know, it was so predictable. It was so predictable. There was someone from Grant's Pass saying that, can't you watch? Can't you watch a movie without seeing something through the political lens? Oh, sure. Listen, I've been putting up for years going to Brit, going to concerts, going to see John Mellencamp like the bumper guy, you know, the bumper music that is played here.

Listening to Bruce Springsteen. You know, listen, I have gone to movies with, you know, just filled with liberal crapheads. And most of the time, I can pretty much just kind of, okay, yeah, I'll just ignore the liberal craphead part about it and appreciate the, appreciate the art. I don't know if you're this way too, but like John Mellencamp. I love John Mellencamp. I've always loved his music right from the beginning

way before Jack and Diane. You know, I ain't even done with the night and all those things. You know, I love that. And when he covered Pat Benatar's song. But yeah, he's an idiot of a human as far as his politics. He's an idiot.

I still listen to the music. Bruce Springsteen. Same thing. I know a lot of people don't like Bruce Springsteen anymore, but I still consider him a very, very good artist. He's a good artist, but I'm kind of with Ann Coulter shut up and sing sometimes. But, hey, you got to take that. Jackson Brown.

Love Jackson Brown music. You know, when he's not beating up on girlfriends, things like that, I know that was a while ago. But great music. Take it easy is a great song. The Lode. Stay. They're great. I love this, but I guess, though,

If you notice that Hollywood, to the liberal in Grant's Pass, who was criticizing me, you know, I guess if you're the liberal, though, and you're a conservative, and you notice the left-wing bias, then somehow that's bad. And you're brainwashed. And that's not the case at all. I guess the key is to enjoy the art and to avoid the brainwashing. To me, it's brainwashed to not admit the politicization of the arts. I think that's the part where I wanted to move forward on that, all right?

All right. Now, someone who is certainly not politically correct, Judge Lawrence Van Dyke, appointed by Trump, he's the same judge. Remember a couple years ago that he was showing how the magazines of a firearm are an integral part of the firearm, and you couldn't sit there and do magazine bans and say that this is constitutional under the Second Amendment? Remember that? He did that video, that video dissent from the other communists on the Ninth Circuit that, of course, I'm sure we're perfectly okay. But anyway, I find that fascinating. He's done it again, and he went viral on Friday. Gateway Pundit in many other places ended up having the story. A dissenting opinion, I'm going to talk with Dr. Powers about this in just a little bit.

after most of his colleagues bowed down to the trans mob. So what happened, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals refused to rehear the case of Olympus Spa v. Armstrong. Now, Olympus Spa is a Christian-owned, female-only kind of Korean-style spa in Washington State. And it was banned from suing the state on First Amendment grounds for forcing it to allow dudes and dresses pretending to be women to be in some. this women's spa. And as courthouse news ended up reporting, the state's Human Rights Commission back in 2020,

issued a complaint order after a so-called woman, you know, a woman with a male member, we'll just call it that, was denied entry, and so that's discrimination. The spa then sued the Human Rights Commission

on First Amendment grounds, arguing that the state's policy violated its right to free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, Association. Federal judge dismissed the Olympus Spa claim last May. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld that ruling. So it's going to have to go to the Supremes, I guess, are appealed to the Supreme Court. But Judge Lawrence Van Dyke, that same guy that did the gun dissent, and he ended up doing the video. He ended up having his firearm and showing how it worked. So I hope you remember this guy. He issued a dissent, and he noted that this case was about swinging D's, and the

D word being, of course, the MIG. member, the crude, crass way of putting it. And he wrote that the state of Washington insisted on allowing men to do this at the Olympus Spa, and he ripped the Ninth Circuit for certifying this. And he said that young girls have been visually assaulted by these freaks visiting the spa. And then he turned his attention to his colleagues, this is from the Gateway Pundit, by the way, and didn't mince words, saying that complicit judges seem entirely willing, even eager to ignore the consequence that their Frankenstein social experiments

impose on real women and young girls. This is a case about swinging ds, the Christian owners of the Olympus spa, a traditional Korean women only nude spa, understandably don't want them in their spa. Their female employees and female clients don't want them in their spa either, but Washington insists on them.

And so does the Ninth Circuit. You may think that swinging ds shouldn't appear in a judicial opinion. You're not wrong, but as much as you might understandably be shocked and displeased to merely encounter that phrase in this opinion, I hope that we can all agree that it's far more jarring for the unsuspecting and exposed women at Olympus Spa, some as young as 13, to be visually assaulted by the real thing. And the judge continues, sometimes it feels like the supposed adults in the room have collectively lost their minds.

woke regulators and complicit judges seem entirely willing, even eager, to ignore the consequences that their Frankenstein social experiment impose on real women and young girls. That is Ninth Circuit Judge Lawrence Van Dyke. You want to talk about a real American. And, of course, the other judges, oh, we can't, clutching their pearls over someone having the temerity to actually say, what's happening with these transgender this transgender nonsense in women's spas,

true female spas. But anyway, I thought that was interesting. So he may be the only honest judge out here on the left coast, in the Ninth Circuit at least. All right, 7705-633. The Bill Myers Show. No, that was the Lake Great Golden State.

Wrong bumper. Because Lucretia is standing. by it. I don't know what she wants to talk about. You know, Lucrezia, there's lots of sunshine coming in this week. That ridge is there. We're going to see lots of sunshine, lots of warmth. It's going to be really nice. And hopefully that fires later in the year. We will see. What's on your mind today, huh? Well, three things came across this weekend that I was watching.

One was Jason Christoph talking about Romania and how for them to join the I guess union or whatever, they had to shut down 13 of their 14 oil refineries or wells and refineries. In Romania, huh? Yeah. Yeah. So they're cutting off the oil just to join. And so then he said, you know, if you're not wanting an electric car now, you will soon shortly. Because if there's no oil for us to buy, and it's 10, 20 bucks a gallon.

you're going to want that electric car. So, so, no, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, no. This is probably going to be a temporary thing, don't you think? Well, given what they also said about, you don't just go into the, what is it, the straits and do what you're doing without just destroying all the transportation of oil, right? Well, they haven't done that yet. there has not been an actual destruction of the island in Iran or off of Iran. It's a number of miles off the coast there where they do all their refining.

That has not been destroyed at this point in time. But remember, President Trump is asking for help. He's asking for help to patrol the Strait of Hormuz. So the help will be coming, won't it? No, not based on Catherine Austin Fitz. You don't think so, huh? Never seen such criminal behavior in all her years. So she's not looking positive about what Trump's doing and really thinking he's taking us down to the whole transhumanism agenda.

The last one was Greg Rees, you know, formerly of Alex Jones, you know, Republican-offrey. Well, I know I go to Alex Jones all the time for my analysis. So go ahead. What's he, what's Greg saying? I haven't been there in years. He's not with them anymore. Okay. Is he still talking about gay frogs or not?

But he did talk about Shabbat, which I've never heard of before, C-H-A-B-A-B, I think it is. Shabod. And basically, yeah, Putin and Netanyahu and Trump are all members, and it's basically building this new temple that honors the, I think it's 32 or 33 different demonic spirits. Well, I'll tell you what, if the temple goes up, we heard it from you, first, okay? And then we'll know. Until then, it's an interesting theory.

Thanks for the call, Lucretia. I've got to play your song again because not every listener has her own theme. Hi, good morning, KMED. Who's this? This is Greg. Hey, Greg. What's going on? Well, you struck a chord with me there when you were talking about entertainers.

So I got a little quick story. Okay. By the way, I was talking about, you know, the, you know, to notice the politicized entertainment is somehow a sign of brainwashing. No, to me, it's watching entertainment and not noticing the politicization. That's the brainwashing. That's my opinion. But go ahead. Yeah, well, they illustrate your point. My brother, older brother, really loved Bonnie and Rae, got me interested in her. Sure. I love her music. So she showed up at Jacksonville. He was on a venue with a really radical local guy. Anyway, long story short, we bought tickets and everything, and then I saw about all the political BS, and so I told my wife, I'm going to have a shirt made.

So we went down the mall, and I had this shirt made, and I said, I support sustained yield logging practices. Did you wear it at the Bonnie Raid Show? I'm just curious. Huh? Did you wear it at the Bonnie Raich show? Yeah, oh, absolutely. Oh, you did?

Oh, you did. Oh, cool. And so it gave me an opportunity to educate people. I had people coming up and going, what's this? What's this mean? So, and outside of the fence, they was revving up power saws, and it was a big deal. It was in the news all over. Oh, I remember the protests.

That's right. The loggers were there with their chainsaws. I forgot about that. Number of years ago, sure. Sure. Yeah, so there I was in the middle of the concert with people surrounded by buses by our middle people going, what the heck? And it gave me a chance to talk about the actual sustain yield formula

that they came up with way back in the 40s that worked for years and years and years until they started tinkering with it, these pencil pushers, and I could give a whole program on that. But the point is, the whole spotted owl thing all happened because they realized that they'd overcut the force for about 30 years based on projections that they would get more yield from different management tools. And that didn't happen apparently. Now, by the way, you just can't talk about sustained yield. If I understand correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, it's Greg, right? Right, Greg.

Okay. I think the term, at least on the O&C lands in the O&C Act, is sustained yield at productive capacity. Right? See, now we're talking the difference between the old school and the new school. Okay. That's what I was getting at. All right. So now is sustained yield?

at productive capacity, an old school or a newer school way of looking at it? Well, you know, I've never actually heard that exact, put it in exact that way, but from what you just said, I will deduce wrong or right, that what the productive capacity means what it will actually do. So that would be old school. Yeah, in other words, what are you growing? We'll cut what has grown, the actual growth of it, not cutting the seed corn, so to speak. You can replace it on a cycle so that it's always the same amount of board feet standing

in the woods. If you manage it right. If you manage it correctly, that makes sense, sure. Yeah, and if you don't burn it down. So the point is, three things. They came up with, I'll give you three specific management tools. One was fertilizer, another one was herbicide, and another one was what they called the super tree. Yeah. So now, the cut and squirt crowd is what you're talking about with the herbicide, right? Well, no, here's the point. For each management tool they came up with, they said, we can increase our yield by, let's just give it a number.

Let's just say 50%. Okay? You could say 25%. It don't matter because the ultimate result was they increased the allowable cut by 100%. they doubled the allowable cut over a 30-year period. Then they went out in the forest and they said, uh-oh, the super trees won't stand up to the snow melt in the spring.

It moves them all over. It doesn't kill them, but it bends them all over. Okay? Now, fertilizers, that didn't work out to their benefits like they thought it would, and neither did the other thing.

So the point is, after 30 years, they realized none of it worked like they thought it would. And so what they need to do is look at it old school as far as productive capacity. Get back to the old school system. All right. Not including the cut and squirt crews, nothing like that, but actually look at, because the challenge that we run into is that if we don't harvest a certain amount of the timber,

mother nature will harvested for us at some point, usually through lightning strikes and fires and wildfires. I'm standing here looking at a north slope that has 30% snags standing, dead stuff standing all over. Right. They were going to helicopter log it. They were going to do this. They said, oh, it won't pay. If they would let the locals here, the guy at the base of the hill has a mill. I have a mill.

We could work together, and we have on our properties. But we could bring those logs down off that hill without disturbing that hardly a thing because we care enough about. our own backyard. Point well taken. I appreciate your call, Greg, and thanks for sharing your story about that. The bureaucracy, I'm sure, is in the way. I mean, well, what would be in the way? What would have to happen in order for you to, well, have the permission to do what you just described?

Well, we'd have to get cooperation with agencies. And I cooperate well with the BLM that surrounds our property here. but it's just a matter of, you know, you can only do so much. They'll only let you take a little bit. You see what I mean? For your own little situation here. If I got it formed a company, I would like to see these small operators around here to bid on these little things like I'm talking about.

Thank you, Greg. Appreciate the call. 7705-633. Maybe hold the calls here because we're going into the news. break right now, but worth you a conversation. Dr. Dennis Powers will join me. Where past meets present,

we talk a little bit about history. And we've got to talk about Judge Lawrence Van Dyke, too. You know, while we're at it because everyone's talking about, oh, he's so, of course, all the decorum of the courts. Okay, yeah, so we're not going to talk about the truth of a case. It's much more important to hide it behind flowery, proper legal language. But I'll kick that around with the doc coming off. Thank you.