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Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Local history with Dr. Power and a profile of STEVE ROE, famed auto dealer. Then it is digging into the Asante, the lawsuit, and medical issues and news. D62 quiz, and emails of the day wrap it all up.

This hour of the Bill Myers Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Dr. Dilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. 813, Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law joins us this morning. Doc, welcome to the show. Good having you on. Hi, Bill. Always a pleasure. Yeah, got you in there. Almost not your earn going to be there for a second, but I'm glad you ended up showing up. Good to hear from you.

thanks and and there's so much that we can go into depending on yourself so the sky is full of ducks and you got us to the blind who will retrieve them yep tell you what why do we do our pallet cleanser first with steve roe steve roe course a great southern oregonian and you are honoring him this week with the profile and where past meets present tell us a little bit about uh steve roe steve roe and his father ross right it's it's it's an incredible uh story primarily in Josephine County that reaches into all of Southern Oregon, it turns out that Steve Rose's father, Ross, had owned a General Motors car dealership in Michigan around Sue St. Marie, and they then decided, because that's right, you know, above Lake Michigan with the locks,

that it'd be nice to go to a smaller place. So in 1983, the Roe family decided to move west. They spent nine months looking for another dealership. They sold the old one. And that same year, they found the Dick Bartle, Cadillac dealership in Grants Pass, bought it. Steve Rowe then became the general man. manager. But Ross, on the other hand, although he was there with Role Motors, Bill, he went ahead and really helped out the community in terms of building their Performing Arts Center in Grants Pass and also other types of community activities. And so Ross then continued along the same lines. And with his involvement in the hospital and

grants passed, he even became the chairman bill of the board of Asante health systems, put in a lot of different time with the Oregon Community Foundation, the Southern Oregon Leadership Council. And I remember also back, although it's now 2016, he followed through with a promise to shave his head when the Roe Motors team met its fundraising goal of 15,000 for the Grants Pass relay for life. Did he end up shaving it, if I recall? Yeah. He did. He did. And what was amazing, though, is that they also, for example, raised over $4,000 in a five-hour car wash to benefit to handicap accessible playgrounds at Parkside School in Grants Pass. Volunteers was a therapy don't. and something that folks might not know is that even though he had a bachelor's degree and really knew

automotive management marketing, Steve also earned a master's in management degree from Southern Oregon University. He really stands out with what he's doing. You know, Bill, very much like Chuck Butler, very much like a couple of the other successful leaders who knew what they wanted. wanted to do, did a good job. Employees were number one, along with customers, and really helped and benefited our entire community. And, you know, we do know that with the way things are going now, recognizing what these people have done and are still doing now in the present. You know, I wanted to speak to that, Dennis. And I think you look at Steve Rowe, and of course,

Steve, I always laugh when I see him on the TV ads, or I chuckle with you. You know, he always has his dog. Always says his little throw dog. I forget the name of his throw dog. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, the throw dog. And I always smile, you know, and I see that. But the part that I think is sort of unsung about, like Steve Rowe and the Roe and the Roe Motors Empire,

if you want to call it that, Lithia and all the rest, is that local car dealerships we're always traditionally very well plugged in to the local community. And you know there's a real push right now to eliminate dealerships and going to direct sales. I know Tesla has been a big fan of this. And you think about, okay, you might save a buck or two if you were going to go with direct sales, you know, for everything out there. Because it is cutting out yet another bit of friction in the transaction. but I think about what would be lost in southern Oregon communities, because you think about who's sponsoring the Little League teams

and the various other things. And, you know, it's not the Tesla. It's not the Tesla Corporation. It ends up being your local other automobile and truck manufacturers with their local dealership networks that tend to do a lot of that. At least that's been my experience over the years. That's a very, very good point, Bill, because the need for research, out into a community is the way also that you can sell cars. But there is a real predominant

one of helping that I saw in Chuck Butler. I've seen, knowing Steve Rowe for decades and other ones, where they really genuinely believe they want to work in this community. And unfortunately, Southern Oregon is one of the last ones that's there, especially when you see how corrupt Salem has become. Another thing is that you that during the problems that happened before COVID and when GM was going through its financial problems, Roan Motors was one of the few Cadillac dealers that wasn't closed down when GM, the large behemoth was going through its consolidation phase. And when we go through this, What's also interesting is that they just loved coming here and I remember that because I remember

moving up here over 35 years ago, Bill, and saying, wow, this is what I always, and where I always wanted to be, fishing and traveling and hunting and things like this. And I just fell in love with the entire region. It's been that way for all these years. And I'm glad the rose felt the same way. Glad the rose felt the same way about it. And it's a very much so. And it's a great profile, Dennis, and we'll put that up today on KMED.com on my show blog like I always do, okay?

Wonderful. Hey, I wanted to speak about medical charges and medical debt. And this is having to do with a guest that had an issue with Asante, oddly enough. You were just mentioning the, you know, connections and people being on the board and Providence. And I don't know if you can speak to some of the issues here or not. but when it comes to medical debt. Have you ever looked much into that? I know you're not an active practice or any longer.

And it really also goes into the attorneys, the Asante civil suits. Yeah. It also, one of the other things, if we have time to go into, is what I have found in Los Angeles, in California, the ultimate, ultimate in wokeness that you won't find on the major drive-by popcorn press. Okay, so why don't we hit those two stories and then we'll hit into the medical issues here in Southern Oregon? How about that? We'll do both. All right? Hey, wherever you're going to. All right. More on that coming up where past meets present. You've heard the past. Now we're

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Lawyers in Love from Jackson Brown. I don't know if you remember that song, that chestnut from the late 80s. That is so good. Yeah, it was always perfect. I always remember the 45. I had the 45 back when I was a younger DJ. And it had a lawyer in a BMW, I want to say, a BMW. W3 series of some sort, paddling his BMW in the Potomac as he's standing through the sunroof, you know, and he's

like paddling. Anyway, I thought it was a pretty good song of myself at the day. So, Dennis, let's talk about what's happening down south. You had mentioned the woktipus essentially is still, we're still under attack by that. What's going on? This is talking about participation in how messed up, wokeness in California's. The L.A. Marathon happened last week. Oh, no. I can almost hear where you're going, but please continue. Oh, it is even worse, because what happens is that they decided, instead of starting a race earlier, but I really think it's because of security on the L.A. Marathon, which is 26 miles, that what they said seratifically is that participants, Bill, at 18 miles, can quietly detour at a non-televised place

and go ahead to pick up their medals and do not have to do the entire 26 miles. And so if you want a participation that comes right into athleticism, this is the top of the case. Of course, L.A. is going to be hosting the quote-unquote Olympics. I can't call it. Can't wait for that one. Well, can't you wait for the Olympics participation medals up there? And can you imagine that? Because I know dedicated runners, and they're good. and, you know, there are different things that you do.

And then to say, well, go slow. Matter of fact, when you're not doing it, reminds me of when two friends of mine and I, when we're getting ready, this was actually in college wrestling, that there was a stream that we followed the cross-country team on. And we'd do like half the course, go into where the stream was, weighed down, you know, wrestling. underneath the bridge and then join the rest of the pack when they came in. That only hurt us because then we had to go ahead and decide to do the whole thing or not. That's why it was then. But here they give out you the awards, number one, number two, big TV ceremony. And you only did two-thirds of the course, and you're not telling a soul.

Yeah. Interesting. Anything else from the woktipus we need to know about this morning? Boy, I got to tell you, the woke-a-pus. I like that. Wokebopus. Yeah. Yeah, woptopus. It's an octopus in. And this is the challenge that I see with the Trump administration is that it appears to be going into remission at the moment, but I think it's just trying to outlast Trump administrations, the Trump administration policies. And then they figure, hey, next time around, we'll be roaring back. That's just me now. Yeah, I see that. The other thing is that SOU is an area that's close to the heart of many people, regardless of your politics, because even though we are conservative, I used to kid others that the worst mistake they ever made was giving me tenure because then I was able to speak more freely on issues, but you'd have to be a little discreet. But the key thing is on this $15 million state bailout about wokeness. Yeah, what is your think on that? Because I was kind of curious if it was just going to, well, permit your responsibility rather than really pushing real reform. And I don't know.

What do you think about the director? Well, my friend, in this woke state, not at all. Because at best, if it does come, is going to be in June of 2027. Oh, after the election for the governor, our good bisexual governor, that does a lot of different things, but primarily... By the way, minor correction. I have to make sure they were going to talk about LGBTQ. We have to get her back straight, though. I think our current governor is lesbian.

The past one was bisexual. Now, see, bisexual is even more points when you're running for governor in the state of Oregon. Oh, I agree with this. Tita Kotech only has one point, not two points, like Governor Brown did. Yeah, I appreciate the liability protection you just brought in. All right. But as I work through the community, there can be a confusion on that point. But the thing is, is that what Salem did was not only put it off,

it won't even come into SOU until there is a plan, a resiliency plan, that first of all is worked up by a very expensive New York consulting firm hired by Salem. Oh, I did not know this. So Salem hires the consulting firm from New York City. And, okay, I don't want to steal your thunder, but is there a possibility that somehow the DEI hires continue to keep their gig there? There is a lot of speculation that, yes, that with the way that the state funding is contingent upon SOU, quote, completely transforming as an institution. And so as the parroting of 15 million goes on, I don't even want to think about what SOU would look like with this,

Democratic far-left legislature with the input to a governor that looks like will do anything to be re-elected, which shouldn't get me in legal problems. But on the other hand, what really is coming through is that the conditions that are on this are outrageous. Could you give me an example of the conditions being forced on SOU? I think you just brought it. The question is going to be, is since they have to pass, being the, the the Lalt and the HECC.

Now, the HECC is the legislature. It's the Emergency Board. It's the board that passes on this that decides whether they wanted it or not. It's the one for all of the institutions. All right. Are you intimately, though? Are you intimating that SOU as part of getting the $15 million bail out, let's say. Are you intimating that this means that,

perhaps fewer hard sciences and more, more politically correct, soft courses, survive, or what are you trying to tell us? Well, what I'm saying is from talking with other professors, that is certainly the concern because we are in a far-left radical state that has said you don't get the money unless we really agree with it with the facts that we see. and by the way, we're going to be parroting and parroting the fact that there's 15 million that SAU will get, except, as you know, I don't even want to think about what this institution would look like. I do know that had I come here this year, even with my credentials, I never would have been hired.

Could this be one of those things where it will be the equivalent of OSF running the college? Could that be it? I think what is going to come to is whatever that the Democratic representatives to the state and to the House can do in the state, whatever gives them cover is what will be accepted. All right. Well, thank you for keeping us in the room on this. And keep us up on that story as time goes on, Dennis. We'll be right back. Okay, we'll talk about some other issues here.

We're past meets president, delving back into the medical talk we were having last couple of hours. Gun talk. People who knows that don't carry guns think that when you carry a gun, you're likely.com. News Talk 1063, KMED. You're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. More of the president with Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law. Dennis, great to have you back. I wanted to talk a little bit.

I had a couple of guests this morning that we're discussing real issues here with medical charges, medical debt. Why don't we start it off, though, with the liability suits here, for Asante, and this is the one about the nurse, Danny Schofield, and she's still under criminal trial, but it's a criminal trial for assault rather than murder, things like that. I guess that's kind of what they figure they could possibly prove without, well, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Isn't that the story there? That's why it's assault and not murder? Yeah, yeah, and before I go to that bill, I really want to make a quick clarification on the $15 million for SOU, if I may, because it's modeled now as a single-lum in the university's cash flow projection as arriving in June 2027. And they don't want to wait until spring of 2027 for that.

So that date is coming in from SOU, but they acknowledge the fact that they're going to have to show to even get the $15 million that they can be cash flow neutral, let's say, after 2027. And there's a good article in Ashton.com news that people should go to on that. It certainly is going to be something I can't wait to see how honest the PR section of Salem and the legislature will be over this. But in terms of now Asante, what's amazing there, Bill, I couldn't believe this, and I found out about this only because I was going in for some testing at Asante, and the nurse there said, I just can't believe it. And she told me that Ms. Schofield is out on bail. Oh, she's out? Really?

She's been out on bail, even though 44. Oh, I'm sorry. I think we knew that. Yeah, she posted 10% of the bond, apparently. But I wonder how much, you know, the public, the listing public knows about that. Also, the fact that there's 44 victims, $500 million in total numbers of deaths because of the fact that even in terms of the way the news outlets are saying, they're not even saying that it's about fentanyl, it's about liquid pain medication being substituted allegedly by the, nurse in terms of putting in tap water. I mean, I can't think of a clear problem of negligence because, you see, even though Asante did the best they could, legally, the attorneys and the

local law attorneys had a real open day in terms of this by saying, well, you should have known in terms of you hired her. Yeah, exactly. Should have known, could have known what it could have shoulda, right? And those kind of lawsuits, yeah. And the DeVillanoo type of, you know, attorneys, you know, big personal injury attorneys here in Southern Oregon, I guess they are announcing that most of these cases have been settled, at least that they're aware of.

I guess most of them have been settled. And there's non-confidential, there's confidential languages and all of it. But, you know, having been on the outside of these types of things, you know, all I can say is to business attorneys, we know that liability attorneys, if they see a case like this, they actually just salivate. Oh, yeah. You knew it. I mean, you know it shut, you know, in terms of how you do it. And here the problem for us is there's a real danger like SOU. as to whether or not Asante is going to be able to be a functioning in Ashland and throughout Southern Oregon,

institutional in the medical field. And that's what I was worried about here, too, you know, if it could actually impact Assante's ability to continue as a going concern in business. I really wondered about that, Dennis. Yeah, and they're being hit by lawsuits, which may have been settled, but there's been no alerted. the public about it by any of the media. One is the fact when nurses were let go during COVID for not getting COVID inoculations, and they weren't put into satellite offices where they could work online, and you have wrongful termination now that we all said was going to happen,

has happened with the sentence. And now the nurses' union apparently is wanting to go after them again on wage theft, I guess, the alleging that timesheets were rounded up or rounded down, as the case might be, all sorts of stuff. It's a rough time over there. Oh, and also, Bill, on the birth institute, if you will, in Ashland. Yeah, in Ashland, where they want to keep the problematic birthing to be. covered. And the one thing I found out, and I'm sure your listeners, can really come in later or the next

couple of days as to what they're seeing, I actually had asked a question about a medication for my wife, and the doctor said to me, oh, we can't prescribe it because of liability considerations. These are all warning signs, and trust me, when we talk about how the law is, We need some help. Now, I can't speak to what was going on at Providence right now here, you know, the Providence system. I know Providence is trying to sell off their insurance end of the model. They're hoping somebody else will take that off their hands.

I look at that as a warning sign, frankly. Yes, another one. Right. And they got hit with lawsuits having to do with their religious bent. In other words, all these lawsuits and what we're seeing as a civil war against the rest of society. Let me ask about, you know, we had a couple of people ahead, Mike Pelfrey from Grants Pass talked with me about 15, 20 minutes about his experience with Asante. And it had to do with what I'm starting to just term junk fees. You know, when you go to a resort now and you're getting all sorts of junk fees thrown on, we're going to give you a bar charge.

We're going to give you an internet charge. We're going to give you this charge. And, you know, you think you're going in for a particular procedure. And then I guess what they did for him was that he tacked on a 625. facility fee to his doctor visit on top of, you know, the doctor's visit covered by insurance, but the facility fee not covered by insurance. And you can kind of see that this is really being done to fleece the people who still have insurance and or cash. I don't know. Is this about just paying the, you know, the back end for all the people that aren't paying for their own medical

insurance these days, doctor? You know, that's a good point, Bill. That's part of it. The other part is with this, this is a big deal, $500 million of lawsuits, of which some have been settled, the delicate negotiations going on for some time, of course, is with the medical insurance liability covers with Asante. And so in terms of these delicate negotiations, you have Asante saying, as far as what we can do, this is what we're looking at in terms of our cash flow statements as to the future. as to are covering some of these areas. And so you have this cash flow model for Asante with the insurers that has been coming up.

And the other thing that I've seen is that even with going in for coverage, let's say, that is covered by insurance, asante is being forced to say, here is what you owe. even before it's gone to the insurance companies because the cash flow. All these are warning signs, and what we're all seeing, and which is what I say, is that if you have a family, get out of Oregon because it's been Californicated to as bad as I saw when it happened 35 years ago in California. Boy, sorry to hear that, but I did look at these as Canary and the coal mine issues here.

And of course, the state of Oregon, of course, has passed law. and has enacted policies that make it even more difficult for the hospital systems and doctors and even medical facilities to operate. We know that's the case. And there are a lot of people that are being towed in the medical, you know, in the medical wagons, so to speak, and not many people that are actually paying their freight, and they're being charged more. And it's all unsustainable at this point.

And this is the same state that voted to go with socialized medicine in the future here, the near future. I wonder how that's going to look, Doc. Yeah, and you see, I saw when I was on a nonprofit board, as to how Obamacare negatively affected hospitals. It almost seems like it was designed to kill the system. Yes, it did, and I saw what happened specifically in terms of the cash receipts that came in and didn't come in, rules that came in, such as if you had greater than, and this is just the concept, one of many, that if a hospital had an infection rate greater than 4%, that Medicare,

Medi-Kil type of reimbursements could be stopped. The problem is that that's not necessarily fair. It doesn't tell you the whole story. You could have a hospital system that takes on the more serious cases, so naturally it's going to have a higher rate. Yeah. So what we've seen also, now you see on the other side, I have a friend of mine who lost all of his money because his wife had uninsured cancer and couldn't get into a program. And so lost all of his money, and his wife so tragically passed away. and he was forced to sell his house, and he has been at a very advanced age, is living in an apartment. So you keep paying rent.

So you see these. On the other side, you have state-level protections where many states have enacted their own laws, banning medical debt on credit reports. Federally, it's only under 500. But what you have is that this is being litigated, just like everything in immigration is being litigated, it is a civil war by attorneys. And trust me, if I was a litigator, this would be a wonderful way of going ahead and having a practice. Say, who wins? The winners, the trial lawyers, the losers, everybody else.

Okay. Doc, thank you so much. We'll talk next week. I'm turning it into a pumpkin right now, but always appreciate the conversation. We'll see you then, all right? Thank you, Doctor. I'm going to get my participation medal. I'm going to go into the Maryland. fun now. Good for you. Yeah, do that at the pear blossom. All right. Thanks, Doctor. It's 849 at KMED. All right. Next, the Diner 62, Real American Quiz. We're going to have some great fun with this one. I had an incredible, you know, most of the time, diner salads aren't that good? Oh, boy, at Diner 62. I cannot believe. I had a taco salad there that is better than taco salads I ever got in Mexican restaurants. I mean, filled with the wonderful, spiced up in the goodies of the beans. Oh, man, I love that.

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to institute a law about communist serving as teachers? All right? Was it A, Idaho, B, New Hampshire, C, Texas, D, New York, or E, California? Which of those five? First one? New Hampshire. New Hampshire, was it New Hampshire? No, it wasn't that, but we appreciate you. try and let me go to Todd. Hello, Todd. How you doing? Good morning, Bill. Morning. So it's not New Hampshire. Which state was the first to institute a law banning teachers who were commies from their public schools? Was it A, Idaho, C, Texas, D, New York, or E, California?

That's just to Idaho. You can go Idaho. Good choice. Yeah, they're close to. No, it's not the right one. Sorry. All right? Let me grab another one here. Bruce is here. Hello, Bruce. How you doing? Very well. Bruce, it is Texas, New York, or California? Which state first banned the commies from being public school teachers?

Texas. Texas. Was it Texas? Oh, no. I don't know who's on line for. We'll give it a shot. Hi, who's this? V. Hi, V. It's either New York or California. Did we know what year this happened in? This is 1947.

And so you think about this. York or California, and I'm running out of time, so I would suggest you say D. D. D. Yes, it was D. All right. It was D. New York.

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Hi, I'm Danny Beard with Left Coast Underground, and I'm on KMED. 857 and change, an email of the day, rather, email of the day, sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson, Central Point Family Dentistry. Get your appointment, centralpointfamilydustry.com. I know you will enjoy that greatly, okay? And this is a quickie from Mark Johnson. Mark Johnson writes from Grants Pass and says, Bill, the death of the Klamath River will be brought to light in 2026. It is not 1,800 pre-white men. I cannot disagree with a single word there.

I think we're going to find out more about that as time goes on. All this happy talk of all the magic fish, it ain't going to happen. Don't have a lot of time here, but maybe we can squeeze another call in. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Oh, you called me back, Bill, and it's V just returning your call back. Oh, okay. Well, why don't you hang on since you are the congratulations person on the diner 62, okay? Okay. All right. All right. We'll certainly do that. All right. Oh, Randy also wrote from Ashland over the weekend. If authority's lips are moving, it's lying. The people can handle the truth, but authority can't.

That's why authority keeps lying. It's kind of the world that we are in. right now. So, oh, by the way, John weighs in here, too. Logan's comment about Asante being evil. Well, can't make that call, Bill. They know who you are. Oh, okay. Well, that's not where I was going. I do not look at Asante as an evil corporation. I can't assign that to it. But I think what we're seeing and what people are terming evil, especially with some of these charges, I think what we're seeing, though, is the desperation of corporate structure. And I think, you know, Providence is going through the same kind of stretches right now. How do you pay for the facilities, the people, and the care when insurance doesn't pay enough? State insurance certainly doesn't pay enough.

And a lot of other people aren't paying much or anything. We'll talk more tomorrow. Okay. Thanks.