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Episode Date: March 28, 2025

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and changes and policies and court battles and everything else. Kevin Starritt will join me here about 20-25 minutes or so. Todd's in central point. Todd you wanted to weigh in on Greg Rabideaux's take or Rabideaux. Rabideaux is his name actually filmmaker filmmaker, and we were digging into what went wrong at Disney in his take, the latest with the Snow White and the Seven Virtue Signals, I think, is what that was. Pretty crazy movie from the looks of it. Big bomb. And what can you add to that, given your experience? What happened? Well, my background is I was born, he was

spot-on by the way, I was born in Hollywood in 1960. Growing up there, all the kids you go to school with, all their parents were in the entertainment industry. My father had a graphic arts business, most of his clientele were in the industry. I took it over from him, my wife and I did it for 20 years before I moved on to other things. But the mindset of the entertainment industry has changed so much. If people want to know who represents the culture of Hollywood today, whether it's the music industry, whether it's the movies or anything else, the epicenter of the essence of it is West Hollywood.

And for those who don't know Los Angeles, West Hollywood is its own little city west of Hollywood. And not to put too fine a point on it, but let's say you were in that area and looking for the highest concentration of gay and transgender bars, that would be where you'd go. That's where all the writers live that's where all the production people live or in the Hollywood Hills there and so It's such a small percentage of our population, but it permeates Everything that comes out of not just the entertainment industry but the news industry too, whether it's ABC CBS Not just the entertainment industry, but the news industry too, whether it's ABC, CBS, any of them.

It seems like that is where their essence is. And it's depressing to me because when I was growing up there, it was just regular folks. I grew up right across the street from Warner Brothers Studios. They didn't even used to have security. You could just wander around to the sets and walk between the sound studios. It was really a wonderful time. But the industry of change, Los Angeles, the essence of it, used to have Lockheed and General Motors and all sorts of production there.

Now it's shifted. Do you think, Todd, in all seriousness, now artists, artists of all stripes, have tended to think differently than many people. I don't think there's anything unusual about that. I think that's what makes artists successful a lot of times, or an artist in one way, whether you're painting, whether you're doing film, whether you're writing books. You'll tend to look at the world from a little bit of a different angle. And what do you think it is though about you talked about that West

Hollywood the gay and transgendered and it all going into entertainment do you think it was actually part of an agenda or just sort of it grew up naturally in well now that we're in a in a world in which there is no there is no truth supposedly everything is just all relative everything's relative now I don't agree with that, but that seems to be the world where we are right now. Well, yeah, I think it also has to do with the privileged elites.

Like a lot of the kids that I went to school with, their parents lived in the Hollywood Hills and they were the movers and the shakers. I can remember one time back when I was in high school, a guy goes driving by, a group of us teenagers are hanging out, working on our cars, the guy goes driving by in his tuxedo, said, I'm going to the Oscars, price, you know, audio or cinematography or something.

An hour later, he comes back holding an Oscar in his hand, and he just goes driving by. That was just normal down there. But so, you know, like when I was growing up there, Rob Reiner grew up in the Hollywood Hills right above me. We had, we grew up in a similar place, but he might as well have grown up on another planet because you're in that small circle of people and you have this feeling of entitlement and that you're superior to everyone else and you need to get your ideas to dominate everyone else. It would seem

then that if you really want to start changing the culture here, getting rid of Hollywood as the epicenter and stop sending money to Hollywood would seem to be part of the process really, wouldn't it? Well that seems to have happened with that. I know Snow White is just one of them, but I'm sure you've seen the videos of completely empty theaters. Not one seat was taken. There's even a video of Ziegler sitting in the audience by herself, and then when her name comes on the screen, she starts screaming with delight. It's so myopic.

And it's... I'm so encouraged by what your guest Greg said because it's being diversified now. It's not just Paramount and Disney. True diversity. However though, when it comes to the big films though, he does say though that they need investors. It takes people to be able to write the big checks here. I think what's important though is to not feed that beast and that's why I would talk to people I know, friends of mine, relatives of mine, grandparents, and think that they have to have Disney Plus in order to have a grandchild over.

I'm thinking, no, don't send them money. Okay? Please don't. And I also appreciate you asking why are they, and why he brought it up, why do they keep retreading the same stuff? They wanted to have a diverse movie. They didn't have to call it Snow White. They could have called it anything.

They just completely lack any kind of talent or originality today. But I think it's deeper than that, Todd. I think it's also about destroying any kind of moral or cultural standard. I think it's also, I really do think that is part of it. And frankly, that's communism, Marxism. You have to break down the current morality in order to bring in the perfect state, as it were. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and that's great. Todd, having grown up in Hollywood, 19 minutes after 77-05-633, we'll continue taking your calls. This is the Bill Meyers Show on Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

If your garage or overhead shop door needs service or repair, please consider a... You're hearing the Bill Meyers Show on 1063 KMED. And streamed on KMED.com, podcasts available on BillMeyersShow.com, thanking the folks at Klaus or Drilling for making that all possible. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Kind of stumbled into the entertainment world here. E.J. Snyder earlier last hour was talking about his preparedness book and of course he's a super emergency preparedness guy.

Then I'm talking with Greg Ribidell or Ruby Doo or I'm going to get his name right at some point. Scooby Doo. We'll just call him Scooby Doo. But talking about the you know the career downhill of the Disney corporation, Snow White the very latest there and David's here. Hey David, what's on your mind? You want to weigh in? Go ahead. Hey Bill, it's a really great segue to Conspiracy Theory Thursday because the reason the entertainment industry or media, whatever you want to call it, storytelling is suffering is that we're at the point in our culture, we've explored every single storyline and every single possible

archetype to the nth degree. And we literally are being forced to graduate to the next level of what people are going to become because all the stories that we have right it's the story of Okay, we know about lovers. We know about betrayal. We know about kings superheroes We even have movies about like depressed teens and bugs and usually It's people reacting to their environment, right? And then doing the best they can or sometimes you get a little boost of like supernatural powers But we've literally we are bored with what humans can do in our current paradigm.

I think media is going to have to shift to see what people can do in our more infinite nature once we attain consciousness. That's why all the media and television sucks. These are the same stories for 6,000 years at this point, you know? Yeah, just with, but of course, you know, all of those stories, those same stories you talk about for 6,000 years though, and more really, aren't they universal human stories though? And every generation of humans that come up will have some variation of that.

I don't know if I, you know, we're always, it's the struggle for resources. It's the struggle for power It's the struggle for love. Yeah, it's the struggle. It's the struggle for meaning in a in a greater world So is it is it that we're tired of the same stories or retired of the same? Rehashing of old ways of telling the story. That's kind of what I'm wondering here. Well, the archetypes don't serve us anymore because when the stories were written initially, the level of consciousness was like, okay, you got to teach your daughter not to marry a caveman or you've got to...

Yeah, don't marry the caveman, marry the farmer. Okay, the agronian guy. Don't trespass on the king's land, he'll kill you or this is how you know someone's going to betray you. I mean, they were useful archetypes, but really, why is Spider-Man so upset? He's upset because he got done dirty and he's got a grudge. Okay? And the same thing with Batman. But that'll never change. But those kinds of stories will never change.

You'll always get dirty, get done dirty. Batman needs to forgive. Batman's been pissed off for 70 years now. He needs to learn about forgiveness. Yeah, Batman needs to forgive? I don't know. David, I don't want you writing my movies, okay? Yeah, no, but he's just beating up homeless people

or whatever he's doing. No, I'm not saying beat up the homeless people either for crying out loud, okay? What's Batman doing? What does he do? He's beating up people. Okay, yeah, he finds people that are like robbing a bank and he gets to beat them up and he's mad about his parents. Okay, that's the whole storyline. Okay, but every generation is going to need a variation of that, right? No, because we are now at the changing of the entire paradigm. Oh, okay. Now, when you talk about the rising of consciousness, though, aren't you really talking about the

merger of humanity with machine, with the AI gov? No, that's what they will tell you as the next evolution, but the rest of us are in the walk, are walking in a way of consciousness, are not going to tell stories about people that are living with their anger forever. And so all the archetypes are reacting to their environment. They are subject to their environment. They are subject to their human nature. And sometimes they get a little superpower, but it doesn't really change the fact that

we are born with what a human can do. We need to know what humans can do beyond ourselves. That's where the new stories have to go. All right. I appreciate your call. You cut against my grain a little bit. I like has to go. All right. I appreciate your call. All right. You cut against McRain a little bit. I like that, David. All right. But I still don't want you writing my movies. Okay. Batman forgives. Batman forgives. Well, Batman forgives. I don't know if Gen Z might go for that. Batman forgives. He just grows a beard and goes out in the trees and just kind of lays there.

He just grows a beard and goes out in the trees and just kind of lays there. Oh, I love it. I love it. Thanks for the call, David. Let me go next on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Good morning, Bill. SLM. Brad, how the heck are you at the Slovenian Lives Matter? Good to have you on. You know, what I find fascinating, you are part of a media source that I have lived with all my life that I depend on. And you're one of the last,

you're one of the few that still feed us information that's valuable. But the reason I bring this up, I'm a media guy. And what I've noticed during the election cycle, on YouTube especially, all these new players that are now developing a database that speak to the public. And speak to the public more like we used to think. And how it's measured is what's happening to, it's like this Snow White thing. I love the fact she's getting hosed. Robert De Niro, latest movie, he's getting hosed.

Yeah. But you know, they keep making them though, I guess, and is... What I'm wondering though is if the magic money machine, and I can't help but think of the magic money machine is also including the fraud within the federal government, the USAID type things. things. Do you think we'll see less, more hosing of the bad stuff as time goes on instead of like, hey, you have no choice. If you want to watch a movie, you're going to watch DeNiro, even if it's bad. Or you're going to watch Rachel Ziegler do a bad Disney. Bill, you're right behind me. I'm 70. I know you're in your late 60s. Point being, we're in a culture shift right now. How long the culture shift lasts, who knows? But I think what's happening is there's a reaction to a mindset. One of the ways I measure this, Tom Mahanks gets on Saturday Night Live and

really excoriates himself acting like a mega guy and really exposes really who he is. And he's a radical lefty but it was it was undeniable radical lefty and I think the point being is it's going to show up in how people spend their money. And you're thinking that it was easier to hide it before so in some ways don't get upset when you have a Rachel Ziegler shoot her face off, essentially, with her talking. Absolutely. And what I love, and you know, you got, you always have to measure things to reality. My point is this. It's amazing the view, for example, finally is being held accountable. Now, I don't know to what extent,

but I guess Goldie Hawn or, not Goldie Hawn, Goldie, anyway, she's- Oh, Whoopi Goldberg, Whoopi Goldberg. Goldberg, yeah. Yeah, the FBI has broken into her house. Really? Didn't hear that one. Oh yeah, apparently.

They're doing a major investigation for whatever reason. But point being that these people are so anarchistic and they've gotten away with it. But I think the end, well, at least with this current administration, those kinds of mindsets are being held accountable. All right. Hey, appreciate the call.

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Kevin Sterrett rejoins the program and he is head cook and bottle washer there at Oregon Firearms Federation, OregonFirearms.org. Boy, there's a lot of Second Amendment news in the air around here, Kevin. Welcome back, and first off, I want to ask you, you have a two-day shooting event that is going to benefit the Oregon Firearms Federation because there's a lot of money needed to fight all, you know, everything that's being thrown at us right now. What's the story there? Because people are talking about attending from all over the state from what I understand. Yeah. So some good folks who have an indoor range in Lebanon have come to us and said, we want to help you guys out.

And so they're putting on this great event. They have an indoor shooting range with simulated shooting. They have a gun store. They do a lot of police training there. It's two days. There's going to be raffles. And people have been contacting me and saying, hey, why don't you do something in southern Oregon?

And I say, look, this was 100% the work of John Jones and the folks in the Oregon indoor shooting range. I put a link up on the website where the alerts are that has the details, the location, and the contact information. And these guys have been tremendously great you know, great for us. You know, we've had so many people helping us out because, you know, when you get involved, I hate lawsuits. I want to deal with things legislatively. I don't like going into court because all it takes is one lunatic judge. And in fact, we have thousands of lunatic

judges who can instantly find against you and then bankrupt you. And that's clearly what they're attempting to do. You know, we see that not just with us, obviously. I mean, law there is the new way it is. Everything you try to accomplish, some billionaire is funding a lawsuit. And what is, well, what's really going on here is that the left has figured out that they're not winning elections, even rigged elections that they would, you know, largely control here. They're not winning them to the same extent as they had. And so the only thing they have to do at this point, you go to the lawyers, you go to the judges.

That's where they have defaulted to these days. Yeah. And when you look at what, when you see what's going on now, where we're having these, the what's being exposed is the, is the outrageous misuse of taxpayer funds, which are largely going to these non-governmental organizations, which are far left, like far left news outlets and far left people smuggling immigrants in. And so they're funded. We try to figure out how are we going to pay for all these lawsuits and people donate because

they're patriots and they believe in the Second Amendment. But at the same time, all those people are also paying these NGOs through the tax money that's being stolen and extorted from them. And that's not just a national problem. If you look at the news from Portland on almost any day, you will see a story of some non-governmental quote nonprofit that's a far left nonprofit that's funded by Oregon taxpayers, that not only are they running far left scams, but in many cases, they're just stealing the money. Nobody knows where it goes and no one's accountable.

And so, you know, I'm hoping that what we're seeing now with this tidal wave of lawsuits, and we've always had them, but now they're coming like every day there's 10 new lawsuits against you know what the administration is doing what we're trying to do. I hope that people get a better idea of just how out of control the judiciary is I mean we have been victims of law fair or ourselves yet and there's nothing you can do you know when a judge says okay, you're screwed. That's it

there's no recourse. You can't hold them accountable. And I don't think anything's going to happen quickly. But I think that people are more and more saying, we can't move forward on any idea, even if you don't like the idea. If it's a new idea, it's an immediately get shot down or delayed in the courts to the point where it'll go on forever, which we just saw yesterday in this in the Supreme Court case about about quote ghost guns. Now the ghost gun situation, this country has a tradition right from the very beginning that you made homemade firearms and that was it. And now the federal government would then claim if you wanted to sell homemade firearms,

that's a different story and then we will choose to regulate you. Biden administration was trying to make it really hard to do ghost guns. And see ghost guns is a pejorative when it comes right down to it. It's just homemade firearms. That's all it is. And we've done it forever. And the thing is the Supreme Court then said that it's perfectly within the the to do so, which astounds me that they came up with this. Well, you know, it's interesting when you read the decision, it sounds like some of the points they're making make sense. But if you look at the dissent, particularly Thomas's dissent, he kind of shoots them right

out. But what's important to understand about this decision. Is it resolves nothing. They went they bent over backwards to not take a position and if you look at these decisions. Very often you'll see well we're not addressing this issue we're not addressing that issue. And the plaintiffs didn't bring up this point so we're not going to discuss it so when you get into court. You could go in there and say look here's an incredibly important fact that changes the complexion of the argument. And the court will say, we're not going to hear it. You know, you didn't bring that up before, or that's not before us.

It's almost as if even our so-called quote unquote conservative Supreme Court has been programmed to take a dive on certain things. Now, this is conspiracy theory Thursday, Kevin. Am I just expressing, just a raving lunatic conspiracy theory? Just talk about the way it looks to me sometimes. It's not the way it looks, it's the way it is. It is an absolute determined effort to not make decisions. In this case, what the court said was, well, as long as there is the possibility that one of these devices, that one of these products that you buy could be in their estimation readily converted into a gun, then the rule

is legal. And I don't think they really did it from a constitutional standpoint. They just said, you know, it's not violating the rule that says the legislature makes the rules. They said anytime any product of one product could fit within this rule then the rule stands. But they also said oh there are other products that wouldn't fit within this rule but we're not going to address that. You know that's point by point we're not going to do it. So they it's painful to read it but it's incredibly instructive for two

reasons. One thing is they made it a point to decide nothing. And the other thing is when you read it, you realize that the definitions and the terms that Congress has adopted for firearms related things are so poorly written that you really can't comply with them. Well, poorly written that you really can't comply with them. Well, poorly written laws though give you a lot of room for tyranny or they enable a lot of tyranny. That's exactly the point. If the law is so broad that anything you do potentially violates it and then the courts are predisposed to find against you, which of course in Oregon they are. Yup. I mean look, the, the, um, the Oregon, the, the, the, uh, the Ninth Circuit just said

that magazines are not parts of guns. They are accessories and therefore they are not protected and can be banned. Which is, which is insane on its face because they do not function without a magazine. Period. Not only that, but if you did accept that, then you could say that one route, all magazines can be banned. That's basically what they said, which then of course makes the firearm useless.

But at the same time, the Oregon Appeals Court, finding against us in the Measure 114 case, said, no, magazines are absolutely protected arms. We're still gonna allow you to restrict them, which made no sense. But every court's coming up with a different definition. The Ninth Circuit's definition's idiotic. As you said, on its face is idiotic.

The U.S. Supreme Court is in no way conservative. I mean, there's maybe two conservative justices on it. But one of the things that Thomas, Justice Thomas pointed out is, by this definition, all AR-15 rifles can be banned because you could say these could be easily converted to machine guns. And the court responded to his dissent. This is crazy. Basically saying, ah, you know, I don't think they'll ever do that.

Oh, come on. Now, wait a minute. You sent me a story and I was reading this story yesterday and it was what a Colorado bill restricting sale of certain semi-automatic guns. It has cleared the first House committee and you were telling me, hey, listen, this will be coming to Oregon. This is the next line of attack. And isn't it exactly doing just that?

That sort of thing. Yeah. And in that case, in Colorado's case, they just said, well, you're not allowed to own these guns because we say so but under the Supreme Court's reasoning Thomas is exactly right. Somebody comes along and says wait a minute if I make these following changes to an AR-15 action, it fires fully automatically or you know, I

add this particular part to it and it fires automatically. Now, those parts are regulated and largely illegal, but they're not impossible yet. In fact, the ATF, and for people who think I'm lying, I have this letter from the ATF saying that a shoelace is a machine gun, a shoelace. So they're now properly tied in a certain way, right? That's how they... Yeah. Yeah. So what... Okay. We're hoping that with the ATF and FBI taken over by people who are not irrational lunatics

and gun haters and crazy people, this will be a little bit abated, but it is certainly possible to happen. And so the Supreme Court is completely wrong on this. And they... You can't take the position. They basically said, well, you know, you can have a part and it can be this machine, but not that machine, but we're not going to provide any definitions. So they really provided no guidance at all. And that was the point of the whole decision was to provide no guidance. So this thing just drags on and on. So you combine this reality though, Kevin,

with the fact that even when the Supreme Court does do a good, pretty tight decision, the Bruin decision, then other states ignore that. And you get that impression that we're getting way past the time of revolutionary, 1776 kind of stuff time you know, time, it's like, you know, because everyone says, well, you know, we've always got to let it go to the courts and around the other. And then when you find out that there is no law, that there is no sane law when it comes right down to it, where does that leave the people in this country? It leaves them exposed to constant harassment and arrest, which is what Oregonians will be facing very soon as these bills fly through the legislature with no opposition. So now

the bill that's being heard today, 243. This is a Senate bill by the way, right? And now this was a gut and stuffed bill, right? Yeah, and so here's the thing about gut and stuff. That is when a bill is taken and the only thing that remains in the original language is the relating clause. So every bill has a clause that says relating to firearms, relating to property rights, relating to you know water usage. And this is one of the reasons why we get really concerned when well-meaning Republicans stupidly put a bill in there that says relating to firearms, whatever they want, will never make it. It will be gutted by the Democrats and replaced with something that does the exact opposite, right?

Yeah. A couple of years ago, we got a draft bill that Greg Smith was working on relating to firearms. And it was like, Greg, aside being a grifter, you're an idiot because you've been in the legislature long enough to know this bill has no chance of doing anything but becoming a gut and stuff, where all the language is stripped out of the original bill and replaced with language that the Democrats want. Well, 243, let me say this. At one time, gut and stuffs were a tool that were used to add a concept to a bill or to save something that was late in the session and didn't look like it was going to

move. So they would find a bill that hadn't been really used, had the right-related clause, and add some language to it or change the language. Now what button stuffs are, are a tool by the Democrats to deny the public the right to see what they're actually planning to do while they share that information with left-wing media and their friends. So for example, 243, which started out as a bill to do a study. Now is this massive anti gun bill that has. Restrictions on how old you can be waiting periods after you're approved by the police and on and on and what they do is they make the amendments

available at the last possible legal moment. So that it is almost impossible for the public to keep up on this is and and the fact is it's not like they didn't know what this language is going to be because. House bill thirty seventy six which was a gut stuff bill at the original bill said nothing the language that became part of that bill was being discussed by the left wing media and the left wing organization months ago, they had all that language. You couldn't see it. And I couldn't see it. But they had it. Reporters had it. And this bill 243, the amendments come out yesterday, the bill is being heard today. And the public is denied the opportunity to see this until the very, very last minute. And then when you have a bill that's fairly long, as most of these are, the ability, the time to analyze it and respond to it

as if your response even means anything, really, is almost nothing. Well, the legislature, our state legislature, is engaging in lawfare against us, not letting us be able to see the legislation and the amendments until the very last second. And you can't formulate a response. OK.

And then they add clauses that say anybody who wants to challenge this has to do it in the courts we chose. So it is absolutely a tyrannical game that's played. And you wonder, given that people with our values are basically just being slapped around, how long are the Republicans going to sit there and be part of this? Look at this bipartisan bill we supported and look at what a good friend I am to this guy. Look at how I'm sitting joking. Hey, they're still going through the motions at this point in time. I spoke with a couple of

people at the Lincoln Day dinner, a couple of state reps, and I said, nothing that you guys do can stop this stuff if you're still there. And they agree with me, but they claim that there is no general support for enough of them to walk out in order to make a difference here, to be able to deny quorum. What do you say? That's certainly what I'm hearing. I think there are a few good people who would like to leave, but they realize that unless a significant number of them leave, their walking out will be entirely symbolic and a formality.

And I hope they do, but I look at what's going on, what's happening to the people in this state on so many levels and so many fronts property rights you know if you're a landlord they're gonna screw you if you're if you're a landlord you can't ask about someone's immigration status you must rent to the illegal in other words all that kind of stuff they're proposing yeah you can't have your rent match your your costs you basically have to become a a charity. And then yesterday was looking at some, some Portland charity that provided low income housing.

And of course they're going broke. And so this is, this is what we're faced now where we've got Democrats and dormats. And that's really, really a tragic thing because as we know, good people are fleeing the state, perverts and parasites are moving into the state and as because all of these issues are decided by voters and of course in Oregon you know we register people to vote who aren't even legal to be here because...

Yeah by the way Ray Field and Tobias Reed, of course, both just whizzing in their pantaloons over the latest executive order from Trump, which would order that in federal elections, ID in order to register to vote must prove you're a citizen, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, they're saying, this will make it more difficult to vote. And of course, you and I all know this means makes it more difficult to cheat is really what it is. And that's what they're concerned about. And that's what they're about. They're all about the cheating and protecting criminals.

That is what they do. And there was a story on one of the Portland TV stations yesterday, and it listed all of these studies by supposedly conservative organizations that said, there's virtually nobody who's registered to vote who shouldn't be. It's like one one millionth of a percentage and then in the same story, I mean they're literally saying there were 20 instances nationwide of people registering to

vote. 20 right? And then we had more registered in Oregon. 1600. I know and that's 1600 they admitted to. 1600. I know. And that's 1600 they admitted to. Okay. So the cognitive dissonance of these child reporters now is that they assume that who's ever reading them, I mean, I'm assuming it was a human who wrote it, maybe not, and who's ever reading it is a liberal moron. It's just you can't not laugh at it except that what happens to all the people who are stuck in the state because of family or property or job, is slowly the whole state turns into the South Bronx, where miles of apartment buildings burned down

because the state said the landlords could not collect enough rent to cover their costs. So they burned them. Yeah. You know, that's what they did. And people eventually will get tired of losing money and subsidizing parasites, and they will walk away. The problem is the people who are forced to be behind, and I count myself as one of them.

I have family here. We're standing to fight at this point. The people that are leaving are the ones that used to help us in these fights, unfortunately. Yeah, because I think they look at it and say, what's the point? The fight now is largely, whether we like it or not, the fight is largely in the hands of the people we elect. We cannot win in the courts. The Oregon courts are totally compromised.

If you look at who they are, who appointed them, the decisions they reach are absurd. And they drain anybody who's trying to fight in court with the knowledge they have very little chance of succeeding. Ultimately, they're bankrupted, you know. Ultimately, organizations like mine, you just can't keep asking people to spend money on losing propositions. So the fights could be won in the legislature. Yeah, the fights could be won in the legislature, but only if they stop playing the charade. That's it. They're playing charades.

The Republicans are playing charades right now with the Democrats. They only have one card to play at this point, and that is denying the quorum for them to do their, for them to do their uh the democrats to do their dirty deeds that's it kevin that's it and yet you know you say this they know it but they say no one supports it well then why are you there well exactly and so you know their position and they're they're they're liars they're frauds their position as well if i don't stay here I can't be elected again. And if I don't get elected again, I can't fight for your rights. Yeah, but you're not fighting for our rights right now by staying there. So what if David Brock Smith was no longer a senator?

You know, what if Greg Smith was no longer a house rep? What would change? Nothing. Absolutely if they were replaced with Democrats, nothing would change. Precisely. So hanging on to their jobs is all about them. When these bills pass, a tiny number of people are going to be able to have access to their rights. So somebody who can find the required classes, pay all the fees, jump through all the hoops, then you have to find a gun store that hasn't been shut down. And I, you know, typically in these situations, one or two places survive. So the second amendment... It'll be like, we'll all have to shop at Cabela's, right?

That kind of thing. We'll all have the pilgrimage or, you know, or to... Yeah. The pilgrimage for the class and everything else. So rich people will have access to their rights and everybody else will not. Or there's the other side of this, which could be the case here, Kevin. Oregon, especially the rural areas of Oregon, will turn into some of the biggest gun smuggling, gun running areas in the country.

What do you think? I'm not advocating this. I'm just saying. You know, I mean, I'd advocate it, but you know, it really puts, it puts people in danger and people, you know, a lot of people are telling me that I'm not complying. Well, if you don't comply, you're still going to have to get your guns on the black market because the state has basically shut that down. That's, that's exactly where this is going. And so You have to ask. Why are the people who are going to lose their jobs. Their business that you know people.

I spoke in a deal with a book with dealer in Pendleton who's built up his business over years he's in his late seventies his business is worth a lot of money it is going to be destroyed. His employees will be out of work

the owners of these businesses the families their crush employees will have will be out of work and if they're if their background is in firearms is no place for them to families, they're crushed. The employees will be out of work. And if their background is in firearms, there's no place for them to go but out of state. But their jobs are meaningless. The only jobs that matter are Drazen's.

And all the other legislators, the Brock Smiths, the Greg Smiths, all of these people, their jobs are what matter. And obviously in Greg Smith's case is because of all the money he makes doing other stuff, you know. But they just do not care about the people of the state. Because if they did, they'd say, what do I even need to be in the legislature for when at least for the moment, I could put the brakes on this crap in hopes that maybe something will change. And so when Christine Drazen sends you a form letter, which they did, which she did to you,

saying get in touch with the Democrats and tell them to not pass these bills that's passing the buck. They're the only ones, the Christine Draisens, the David Brock Smiths, all the people that are saying that they can't walk out, they're the ones that have the power. They're the only ones that have the power because the Democrats promised their people they were going to do this.

That's all there is to it, Kevin. You can't even ask them to do things that are less extreme. You can't even get them to stand up in committee. You can't even get them to stop supporting. I mean, I sent you an email the other day, you know, bills that bad Democrat bills that Republicans are supporting. So what's the point? I mean, should there not even be like the pretense that they're standing up? No, they're all slapping each other on the back, getting what they want. And the businesses and the people of the state are going to be crushed. A handful of people will survive this because they're very, very wealthy.

But the bottom line is though, the Republicans have only one power. It's only one power. And we have talked about this incessantly and we're told that we can't possibly do this. Well, then don't tell me that you're fighting. Don't tell me that you're fighting. Yeah, please don't ask me for money. Yeah, yeah, not a penny.

I wouldn't send a penny to any of these things. Oregon Republican Party emailing me, right, this one. Hey, we'll fight for your rights. It's just like, no, they're not fighting for our rights right now, because if they were fighting for these rights, when these when these gun bills and these other property rights, stripping things come up, you can't be there. That's all you can do right now because otherwise it passes. You have to ask yourself, what does

the Oregon Republican Party do? They do nothing. They're the most dysfunctional, amorphous blob. And they can do something though. They can be relevant. Of course they can be relevant. I mean, you look at Republican parties in other states who ride herd on legislators who keep in touch with the people who say, this is what we expect of legislators. If you, if you run as a Republican and don't do this, we're coming after you. And in Oregon, the Republican party does nothing. And obviously it's been through constant changes of leadership and really good people who've been leaders have thrown up their hands and given up.

I mean, Art Robinson was the chair of the party for a while. And Bob Curnan was the chair of the party. And these people, Susan Gallagher, and they just get run out by the internecine fighting of these little petty groups who really only want to maintain their ability to have bake sales and run their own little programs that aren't really even conservative programs. You know, truly representing your constituents right now is hard. You need to do the hard thing.

And that's where, and frankly, that's why when everybody's saying, hey, call Christine or call, you know, the Democrats on the gun bills and the property rights bills and everything else. No, that's not going to have any effect. Golden is going to vote the way Golden is going to vote. He's made it clear, okay? And there's just no changing that around at this point. It's in the Republicans' court and don't let anybody and don't let any Republicans tell you differently. I think that's our takeaway from our conversation, Kevin, okay?

I appreciate that. Hey, I got a roll at this point, and good luck on your May shooting event. I'll post that information up here too, but you can go to oregonfirearms.org because that's a fundraiser to keep shoveling money into the legal fight because we have no choice but to continue to do that. Kevin, be well, and thank you again for the truth.