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Open phones on Pebble in your shoe Tuesday, the book bill passage and other news of the morning. Former State Sen. Baertschiger talks our politics, including the importance of judicial elections.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling.com. Couple minutes after seven, Mariah Rossi, Mariah, you're the one that got this whole books and school things started when you got in touch with state representative Dwayne Youngkran, and he ends up reading these books that you were concerned about. And he was gaveled down several times about it. and what do you think about them passing Senate bill 1098 which would make it even harder to challenge these books? It's such a

travesty and it's really just blatant lie that people are discriminating against protected classes and removing these books. There's already a Supreme Court case that says you can't discriminate and remove books for that type of reason. So you can't do it based on themes or anything like that. The only loopholes were excessively vulgar or educationally inappropriate. So we're just trying to remove excessively vulgar materials from the school. Yeah, material that was so vulgar that Noah Robinson was not permitted to distribute it on the Senate floor without redacting it severely. And yet these good senators still think that we need to subject our children to it.

They're too delicate to have to witness this information, but it's okay for a 14-year-old or maybe a 12-year-old to read these books. What part of these inappropriate books in school, Mariah, aren't grooming? What parts, if any? It has to be grooming. It has to be some people who are trying to push an agenda, right? I absolutely think it's grooming. Yeah, I 100% agree. They want to indoctrinate our kids into their religion of sexuality, whatever perversity that form takes on. So it's awful. Something tells me you're probably going to continue this fight though. I don't see you backing down. No, I'm still going to continue the fight. know I still would like to try to at least rewrite

the selection criteria so you know if it's excessively sexual then hopefully it doesn't make it into the schools it may be harder to get the stuff that it's already there out. Yeah. The one thing I will say is it's really important for the anyone listening that you cannot trust your schools. I know so many of us think, oh well, my little local school, I know so many people there, they would never do something like this. It doesn't mean the state or someone else is not strong arming them into doing this. Appreciate your call and thank you for your work on this, Mariah. Be well, okay? Thanks, Bill.

Very welcome. Five after seven, we'll check town hall news now. More of your calls coming up on Pebble in Your Shoes Tuesday. Boy, I have to tell you those books, big pebble for a lot of parents. News this hour from townhall.com. I'm Rich Tomlinson. Wisconsin voters heading to the polls today in a closely watched election for a seat on the state Supreme Court which has national implications for the future of President Trump's legislative agenda. Former Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel is the conservative candidate for the Supreme Court. My opponent went out and promised she was going to engage in congressional map redistricting which would result in, she said, two Republican congressional seats turning Democrat.

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Always an enjoyable time. People share their concerns and maybe some solutions here, too. Hello, David. How are you this morning? Talking about the books in school, inappropriate and they're paid for by taxpayers and now it looks like the state of Oregon wants to make it next to impossible

for parents to challenge this. What do you think about that? I think the whole thing's silly, I'll tell you why. If your kid's in a public school, you've already accepted that out of the 30 children in your child's class, the topic of the day is generally going to be the worst thing that the kid from the least discerning family has seen on their parent's phone or TV. So if your child's in public school, that is already what you've accepted that your

child's going to be exposed to. And this is the problem that's already faced us. You know, if you remember back to school, you remember the topic at school is always what the most extreme thing in pop culture, you know, whatever, whatever the child, the children have seen in their family's home or from their peers, which is so extreme already, right? That's what's being talked about with your kid on the playground. So if your kid is still in public school in the year 2025

I'm sorry. You should just quit wasting your energy on these these, you know, these these uphill battles On these books, you know There's a part of me that agrees with you and there's a part of me that disagrees Because and I and I agree with you and I disagree. Here's why that disagrees. And I agree with you and I disagree. And here's why. Because we're forced to pay for this right now. And so we all have a dog in this fight. And you're right, though. For the most part, I think most people are still kind of, how do I put it, enamored with all the yellow school bus and fine memories of an education maybe 40 years ago or 30 years ago. I don't know, right? You know what I'm getting at here, David? And it is a completely improper view of where it is right now.

And there are other people I think that are just saying, hey, I'm broke, I'm already working, we're already working two jobs, I can't afford to do the homeschooling and keep the kids at home." And so they just kind of sacrifice their kid to Moloch, I guess. Oh, you're 100% right. See, even after all this outrage about these books, guess what? The kids are still going to go to the school. Now, you're right, that maybe people need the state to be their babysitter. And there's a lot of things with our standard of living and inflation inflation and both parents got to work. And I see those things, but there are many, many creative options around community schooling

and just the notion of government schooling and the notion of how early kids need to go to school. All people need to, if you want your kids to have a fighting chance to start their life as healthy adults or at least starting earlier, you need to reevaluate all those standards you were handed. Maybe the age kids go to school, maybe what type of bills you have that require both people to work at the pace they do, whatever it is, but I will tell you what,

I will live under a tent before I let my children read books written by pedophiles. Like I'm just gonna tell you that right now. I'm not gonna yell about it and send them to school on Monday. Like that's my line in the sand like I will live in a tent before my children hang out with pedophiles all day All right, let me give you a real American salute. I think that's You're striking at the core of it there David. Appreciate the call. All right. Thanks for that. All right

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house floor because they're too dirty and disgusting, but they're perfect for your 12-year-old. I know, I know, this is bizarre. Let me go to Francine. Francine, I feel like I'm waking up in clown world again, but this is Oregon. It's good to have you on. What are you thinking today? Well, the hypocrisy is astounding. It's over to have you on. What are you thinking today? Well, the hypocrisy is astounding.

It's over the top. Yeah, that they will gavel people down, this is inappropriate. And yeah, you're voting. You're all voting to keep it in the schools. All right. Well, let me ask you this, Bill. How do you think people would feel if they get a ballot, a ballot comes out and it's got measure, blah, blah blah blah, measure

blah blah blah, you know, and it says this is about such and such, that's all. That's all you get to know because it's inappropriate to share this information with the public, you know, you know what I'm saying? It's essentially the tactics that they're using and it's just, it's horrendous. It's just absolutely horrendous. So are we looking at a state legislature controlled by perverts and groomers? I hate to put it I mean I know it's a kind of a crude way of looking at it but I can't help but think that that might be what's going on here ultimately. Okay what what what I can't gosh I can't think of his name at the moment I really like him

but I can't think of it. The guy from New Zealand who did the film in 2016 when Hillary was running called The Enemies Within. Oh, Trevor. Trevor Loudon. Yeah, Trevor Loudon. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Did you ever watch that film? No, I did not watch that. I strongly advise it. I know it's, you know's almost 10 years old now, but what it exposed to us is are all the people in the federal government that are either members of or heavily associated with organizations such as the Communist Party, the Muslim Brotherhood, the blah-blah-blah socialists, et cetera, et cetera. And there were over 80-something of the people working in our government that were members or, as I said, heavily associated with these organizations.

So that's just one aspect of the infiltration that our government has experienced. So now, this whole thing with Diddy and Epstein and everything, all that was just a show. That's just a show. It's just a show. So in other words, Diddy is sacrificed to cover the sins of the multitudes of others, huh? Yeah. Yeah. The child trafficking and grooming and blah, blah, blah, all that is astronomical. What actually goes on is so deep and so filthy, and it's been going on for so long. People don't even have a clue, Bill. That's what this is all about. This is just, it's just, they're feeling so brazen now

that they're just coming right out and just, you know, destroying our children right in front of our eyes. Under the guise of non-discrimination. Yeah, okay, got it. Appreciate your call. Thank you, Francine. Let me go to Not So Crazy it. Appreciate your call. Thank you, Francine. Let me go to not-so-crazy Gene. Hello, Gene.

Hello there. How are you? I just called because I heard a rumor about Iran's having a lot of trouble with their centrifuges over there. They're just running out of control because of a virus. Now, there was something like that that happened a number of years ago in which it was pretty well known that what was it? Stutnex virus I think was used a number of years ago. I would imagine that something similar is working now unless they have air-gapped these centrifuges. What do you think? Well I just think if you could

build one virus you could build a better one later. Yeah, might be easier just to build a big bunker buster bomb. Yeah, well I think they're going to have one when everything starts blowing up over there. Yeah, something tells me that's might be the next international shoe to drop. Just saying, it's sort of just a spidey sense, just a spidey sense, but we'll see, Jean. All righty? Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Debil in your shoe Tuesday.

Hello, line four. Good morning. Who's this? Hi, Bill. This is Vicki from the Applegate. Hi, Vicki. What's on your mind? Well, you were talking yesterday about mental health and the homeless.

Yes. And my take on that is there's legitimate people that are born with mental illnesses that range from ADHD to autism to just all kinds of stuff. And the homeless, at one point before they got all filled up with fentanyl and heroin and crank and whatever else is alcohol. These people didn't have, well, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that a lot of these people didn't have mental health issues, something in their life happened, and they turned to

some trauma, some sort of massive pain enter their life, right? You know, the thing is, is that they're so quick to, in my, not my experience, but I know people that have had issues and they're so quick to want to send them to Portland to the state mental hospital. So why do we have living zombies walking around that are screaming at their big big gulp cup or terrorizing people in parking lots or you know why don't they send them to a

state hospital because the state hospital doesn't have a lot of room honestly on a floor if they can build wings on Asante and have, you know, Providence is popping up all over the place, why don't they invest in a place where they can actually take these people off the street, give them a bed, give them meds? You know, I just, I don't understand why it's so normal now to drive through town and see these people that are either passed out on the side of the road or just crazy. I think you're talking about a couple of problems all coming together. First off, and I had mentioned this earlier, and Oregon Public Broadcasting has a great piece today, opb.org, about the challenges of committing people in Oregon because the

standards are on forced mental treatment make it very difficult to get somebody in and get them some help, all right? Makes it very difficult because it's really designed around imminent harm. You have to say that you are going to, you know, I'm making it obvious you're going to kill yourself like tonight, you know. Right. And there is discussion that the legislature might need to tighten up these standards or relax these standards to say, oh, let's say within the next 30 days, there's a possibility this person could do themselves in, all right,

or cause harm to others, etc. That is part of it. The second part of it, and I just hate to bring it up, it's the age-old part of money, mental health treatment is some of the most expensive, the most expensive treatment that we have in the United States of America. I remember, there was a relative of mine by marriage on the other side of the family in which an elderly person ended up truly going a bubble off plum and was serious. The conversation was, yeah, we can get her into a facility. I think it was $9,000 to $10,000 a month and you didn't have it. That's something that there's so many government programs for, like I was listening to, oh, not Lars Larsen as that other guy,

Hannity? Pags. Pags, okay. And, you know, there's so many government programs out there. I mean, it's not free for everybody because we pay for these programs, but they're not utilizing it. And all they want to do is give people pills. Pills, pills, pills. Pills, oh, here's a magic pill that's going to make you feel better. That is... Well, that's something that Dr. Carol Lieberman ended up bringing up. You know, she's the psychiatrist that I talk to every now and then. In fact, I might bring her back in. She said that, now in her belief, she's talking her book because she's a psychiatrist, right? And so she talks to people and talks to, tries to get problems talked out with people. And they're mentally, I mean, obviously alcohol and drugs change your whole mindset

Well what I was getting in here. I didn't get a chance to complete my thought there Vicky. That's okay. That's all right that We sell counseling short shrift and and so we always default over to the pill first rather when then someone is suffering real pain and that a pill is not going to fix the real pain that needs to be explored and talked out and worked with that human touch rather than the chemical touch on the brain. Well, and I think that's the majority of it is that a lot of fault if you're a child and you go through trauma, whether it's family,

whether it's being abused sexually or whatever, they never get to the core. I had a niece that committed suicide. She was a heroin addict. She was 30, she was 27 when she passed and she had a lot of child trauma. We as a family tried to come together and help her through some of these issues, but when they're so damaged and they don't get the help they need in the beginning, it's almost impossible to go back and have them talk about it, have them work through it, have them deal with it. They just don't know how and they don't want to visit that pain. So if the person is just adamant about not wanting to go there, how do you help them? You can't.

Well, unless you're going to get to the point where, like the Trump administration talking about, if you want housing, you're going to have to have some treatment here. That comes within its own set of problems. Like what you just mentioned, the default treatment these days is let's get you on a mind-altering drug, some, you know, psycho, you know, some psychological medicine, which may have some serious side effects. So he's a big, big questions here. And I wish I had an answer, but I know the one reason that we don't send more people to the state hospitals that

they're just is in room, okay. I appreciate the call. Thank you for that Vicki. Let me go to line two. You're up next on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Good morning. Bill, I had trouble calling. Sorry, this is Oliva Herrera from Rural Grants Pass. Well, hi there. I had trouble calling there about the book. And I just wanted to get back to that. Sure. You know, the people that are pushing these things in the schools, you know, are the same people that voted for things like, you know, transgender surgeries for kids and, you know,

abortions for kids, you know, that up to 10, you know, at any age, you know, like for kids you know that up to 10 you know at any age you know 10 years old and stuff. This legislative session has been filled with so many bad bills you know I wonder you know how much more that people are gonna take. I'm one of those people that have read some of these books you know like Mariah and a few others and I feel mentally raped from having read some of this stuff. And to think that your taxpayer dollars pay for it and then it's just thrown out there on the shelf for the kids. Right. But I mean, at what point, you know, are the people of Oregon going to, you know, end up in some type of civil war over all these bad, nasty, in our face bills.

I would remind you, Olivia, that once again, the Republicans really do hold one power on this one. And until the Republicans that are not willing to walk out are held accountable, and this would be the David Brock Smiths or the Dick Andersons and all these other people, I worked so hard to become a senator. All you can really do is stop the worst abuses of the Democrats as a Republican. That's all you can do. But until they are persuaded by their constituents that there are worse things awaiting them if they don't withdraw quorum and stop them from working on this kind of stuff and getting

them to focus on stuff that matters. I don't know where you go on that. I don't either. I just know that we're dealing with this stuff at the local level as well. You know, up until recently, the local superintendent had transgender pronouns in his email signatures. And we have, you know, executive staff wearing transgender flags on their lanyards in these school board meetings. And we know who we're up against. Maybe we're up against the same kind of thing where I was saying that you have to get your kids out to save them and you continue to fight within that system to try to save all the other kids, I guess, over time. It's all you can do. All right. Yeah. All right. Thanks for the call,

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Now, it hasn't passed the House yet, hasn't been signed into law, but if the Democrats want it and the Republicans aren't willing to stop them, then Democrats will likely get this. Now, it was blocked last time around, but last time around, though, there were people willing to walk. I don't know. Let me do some emails of the day about this and other issues that have been coming in here. Emails of the day sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson and Central Point Family Dentistry. That's at centralpointfamilydentistry.com. You'll find Dr. Steve. He's on Freeman Way. It's right

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However, the difference between then and now is the acceptance in our day. There was a shame associated with what is now being pushed as acceptable and fear of getting caught. It established what is the social norm. The new norm is a debauchery that will lead to a swift and eventual violent end, not to mention the spiritual implications. Patrick weighs in on the books. Call these people who are allowed this material,

who are allowing this material in schools, for what they are, pedophiles and rapos. There can be no other explanation for giving minors pornography of any kind except for the purpose of grooming minors for sexual purposes. If these people were not public employees, they would be arrested and jailed. Are they willing to overturn and expunge the criminal records of those who have been charged with contributing to the delinquency of minors? That's interesting, Patrick. And he also adds on the homelessness condition.

Says, Bill, one has to be careful in writing that fine line between empathy and enablement. Very well said, Patrick. I appreciate that. You go to Dale on the laws. It says, Morning, Bill, the more laws and regulations enacted, the more we become a lawless culture. The questions of types of reading in school libraries easily solved by eliminating school libraries. That may eventually lead to eliminating schools as they are today or are becoming. Those who can't regulate or control themselves are the ones who are enacting what we must live under as we try to obey the government. That includes the black robes who have somehow lost the concept of good judgment. Just another bite out of the forbidden fruit, exile for all eternity. And let me go to, oh, the Rev. David La Barbera about the books in school.

Bill, what if we were to start donating all kinds of Christian books for kids in the schools? I just heard Senator Robinson say it would be hard for them to reject books donated. We could flood school libraries with Christian content. Just a thought. You know something David? Is there a possibility that the only standard that the Oregon Department of Education may have to keep a book out might be that it's a Christian book because of religious themes? The only standard that the Oregon Department of Education may have to keep a book out might be that it's a Christian book because of religious themes. I don't know.

But I like your idea. I really do. Granny talks about the judges. Bill, it's a quote from Samuel Adams. It is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice, for they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. Then Granny adds, wouldn't it be wonderful if the voting population had a working knowledge of the Constitution and could tell activist judges you're out of order one more time and you're off the

bench. Granny's pipe dream. Yeah, a fella can dream, a gooyle can dream, right, Granny? I do like that. And also, I had one more email. Let me find this. I had an email from... Oh, here it is. An email from Betty that I wanted to make sure and join. I lost it and had to do where she wanted the homelessness camp to go. Betty, I'm going to find that over the break. Maybe I'll get that when I talk with Herman. Okay, we'll get some other stuff coming up. All right. We're going to hold the calls here for a little bit. State Senator Herman Barrett Shigger, former state senator. We're going to talk a bit about the judges and more and why these election for judges matter. News brought to you by Millett Construction specializing in foundation

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Herman, interesting times that we find ourselves in. A lot of the folks pretty bound up here with what is going on with the passage of Senate Bill 1098. There's some other things going on politically that you wanted to make sure we were aware of in this legislative session here, including Senate Joint Resolution 30. And boy, this is one sneaking up on us, right? Well, yeah, you know, 1089 is bad, but you know, you can kind of, there's a positive side to it, and just as it was pointed out, is, you know, we can put Christian books in there

too. That's a protected class. So... Well, no, is Christian book, are Christian books a protective class? Because, you know, normally, you know, religion, when it comes to the state of Oregon, doesn't tend to have a very high bar of protection, I thought. I think it's a good argument, though. The other thing, the biggest thing that's going to come out of this, and the Democrats, they just aren't smart at times, most of the time, because all this does is promote private

schools. That's what this does. This promotes, this is one of the biggest promotions of private schools in a long time. Yeah, if you care about your kids and you can, you get them out. But yet at the same time, you want to try to save the other kids too, right? Make sure everybody has a decent time. Yeah, but you also got to remember that the president is talking about federal funds for schools to follow the children.

You know, and then, you know, I think us counties at the county level have got to start having a conversation over the tax dollars that goes to schools in the counties, which is the biggest tax, the biggest line item on your property tax bill is schools. And maybe that needs to follow the students too, Bill. Maybe so. Yes. So, you know, we have to start punching back. We, you know, we can't just take it. You got to figure out a way to punch back. So Senate joint resolution 30 is what they want to do to that. So in Oregon we have the initiative process and actually when the initiative process was debated in the legislature a hundred

years ago that was the first time where it was denial of qualms because they didn't want that to pass. They didn't want to legislate from the ballot. That is really interesting. So even the start of the initiative petition was contentious. Interesting. Exactly. So this is another tool for the minority to use. This is another tool for the minority to use. Now they took away the right to deny quorum. They took that away. That was a tool for the minority. Well, it's still there, but you just have to be, if you're going to use it, you better negotiate to get it excused, right? You've talked about that before. Right. Right. So, you know, so now they want to take the other tool away for the minority, and they want to make it harder.

They want to make it much more district. They want to increase the signature requirements by 30 percent, and then they want to create some kooky six Oregon districts, and that each district has to be looked at separately. So if you have a real conservative issue that you want to put on the ballot and you get five districts, you get it, you collect enough votes, but you can't get the votes in Multnomah County, well then then it kills it. Yeah it's interesting you bring up the initiative petition issue here. Yeah the district part of things, Yeah, they really do like districts, just like the left wanted to have districts in the county too. That's a divide and conquer

strategy, isn't it? Absolutely, and it makes it harder. So, you know, the gun legislation that is bouncing around Oregon right now is very very unpopular and you have to remember it it It only passed by not very many votes bill 114 didn't have a you know Yeah, a shade of support and that is in an arguably and they admit That the system is not perfect and flawed. We don't know how many of those votes were legit We have no way of even examining it after the fact now. Right.

So because now it's gotten so much publicity, it's in the courts and everything, there's a good possibility that it could be repealed through the initiative petition. And I think that's what has risen STR 30 in the legislature because they're worried that we could undo 114 and some other gun laws all at the same time. You know, you can take up multiple issues as long as or multiple parts of an issue. It's all the same issue. As long as it's related. It's all related to the same issue. And there is a good chance that we could repeal all that.

Well, if the legislature pushes this through, that makes that almost unobtainable. Now, Senate Joint Resolution 30, though, would be referring the initiative process to the voters, right, first. And so it would be voters that would vote to get rid of the initiative petition, correct? No, that's a resolution, yeah. I think they can vote this outright. They can change that, yes. So this is very, very dangerous.

Yeah, so the majority party doesn't want anybody disagreeing with them. They're not referring it to the ballot. Yeah, all right. Well, the part that has bothered me, I mean, I've had mixed emotions about the initiative petition because most of the destruction in this state, or a lot of it, to me has been coming through the initiative petition because the initiative petitions tend to be funded mostly from one side and that is out-of-state big money leftist interests. Am I wrong about that when you look at it? Well, Measure 5 and Measure 50 were done through the initiative petition.

True, true. But that was a while ago. When I look at things these days, it always seems to be a battle between George Soros and then the rest of us. You know, here in Southern Oregon. I don't argue. When you look at all the money that came out of the state, most of the money that supported Pena Kotec for governor came from out of the state. Indeed it did. Indeed it did. So I mean I understand they're trying to make sure that nobody can disagree, that the voters would not be allowed to disagree with them and no legislating. That would be overall though we would lose a lot more than we gained but you know you look at these initiative petitions that have been coming down Herman the one

about you know we're gonna have universal health care we're gonna do this we're gonna get a free pony we're, you know, we're going to have universal health care. We're going to do this. We're going to get a free pony. And they get voted in. And then now what do we do? Right? We talked about that before. Well, you know, it goes back to my point, you know, that I have made multiple times in my political career when people ask me, you know, what's the difference in parties, and I tried to tell them, I said, overall, if you want to kind of capsulize it, is the Democrats or the liberals

or the progressives or all of that have a tendency to make their decisions based on a motion? They're green. And Republicans or conservatives, if you want, whatever you want to call them, have a tendency to make their decisions on facts. Or pragmatism, really, I would dare say. What is pragmatic? What is actually workable? Because we know we're all flawed humans. There is no nirvana on earth here. Okay. You know, and I sat down last night and I just jotted down a few things. If you look across the political spectrum right now, the Democrats are just bloundering.

They have no party. The far left is just out screaming. That's all they're doing. They're not offering any types of solutions. I mean, and then when you focus more on Oregon, Oregon is not business friendly. They don't care about businesses. They don't care about education reform or scores or anything. They don't care about education. They have no respect for... No, they don't care about education. They do care about teachers unions. Right. But they don't care about education. They do care about teachers unions.

Right, but they don't care about the kids. They support drug use. You look at why both our US senators, Wyden and Merkley, voted no on the fentanyl bill. So, you know, they don't want to change that. They support, you know, illegal persons in our state. They support socialized medicine at the taxpayers' dissent. What you're doing is making the case that there is really no peaceful coexistence between the left and the right possible when you look at these worldviews here, Herman.

No. And then when you start looking, you know, their fiscal policies are ridiculous. They're just unworkable. And their social policies, I mean, you know, abortion, murder of babies, mutilation of children, they support violence in our cities. And they're really, they promote homeless. They don't want to, they really don't want, they don't want to fix homeless. They say they do, but they don't. And here's, back to the fiscal, Oregon promotes the taxation on low income people.

The income tax is very regressive, isn't it? Yes, very regressive. And then the one, it's just, I just, you know, when I talk to my friends in other countries and everything, they ask me, why do the Democrats always want to go to war? And you look at it, you know, this thing with the Ukraine, it's the most stupid ridiculous thing in the world. And most of the places that I see with their little Ukraine signs out front, I know are leftist, most of them. Right, and some of the social media, you know, I try not to react to it, but sometimes I just can't. But I'll see the promotion of, you

know, sending more money and stuff to Ukraine, and then I type in there, are you ready to send your kids and grandkids? And as soon as I put that, not a peep out of them. Maybe it's because most of the people that are supporting Ukraine, maybe they tend to be older liberals. Maybe that's why. Maybe they don't think they have a dog in that fight anymore, and they can go ahead and send somebody else's kid there? I don't know, but anybody that just will take a little bit of time to try to understand

the power structure on this planet. You know, Eurocraine's taking a knife to a gunfight. I mean, come on, a Soviet Union that has the second largest arsenals of atomic weapons. Come on, this is insanity, you know? Absolutely insanity. And then, you know, they'll say, yeah, we got to support Ukraine to fight the Russians. And then the next sentence is, oh, Putin is unstable. So now you're fighting a guy that's unstable with nuclear weapons. Well, I think that what you have illustrated right now is a gaslighting which continues and it's practiced by both sides of the political aisle to an extent, Herman, okay?

I want to be fair about this, but it's just like no wonder Americans are mentally ill and getting mentally iller. We're being told continually to believe two things at once, all sorts of contradictions that can't both be true. Everywhere you look at it. Everywhere you look. You know, and I have a lot of friends across this planet and so, you know, now that social media and everything, so they're zipping me little things through WhatsApp and everything,

and they're showing me what they're seeing in their country, and I'm just embarrassed. You know, there's little nippets of Democrats saying this and Democrats saying that, and they're going, what is going on with you people? It's an interesting time. Yeah, indeed. Let's take it back to one thing I was wondering. The homeless ruling that we had from Josephine County Circuit Court.

It was a circuit court ruling that happened last Friday, right? The interesting part about this is that looking at Oregon law, the judge may have actually followed the law or maybe following the law and I don't know if people understand just to the extent of how the state legislature ended up codifying that whole thing, that Boise decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals a number of years ago. The Supreme Court may have said, hey we don't have to bother that, but Oregon said we're going to go along with this. But then it also said that there is a reasonableness standards. And gosh, what is reasonable?

What does reasonable mean? You know, when you're talking about whether it's 90 homeless encampments or 150 tents in the homeless encampment, who determines what is reasonable? And I guess, well, the judge determines what is reasonable in this case. That's kind of like, you know, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Yeah, exactly. But look, it's on my list. They promote homelessness. They're not trying to solve the problem. They are using it in Josephine County and throughout the state is to divide conservatives

and liberals. It's just as plain as a tail on a goat. It's just another tool to divide us. They historically, going back to the 60s, have used abortion to divide us. I don't think that's working as much today to that same extent. It doesn't work. I think they're losing that argument. I just had a friend of mine and his daughter had a premature baby, one pound 13 ounces, just a little bitty booger, you know, and it's amazing that even that little premature baby

can recognize its mother's voice over anybody else's voice. Isn't that amazing, Bill? Yeah, it is. I think it, and I think also the abortion question Isn't that amazing, Bill? Yeah, it is. And I think also the abortion question was probably more divisive or more even scientifically divisible, if you want to put it that way. I don't know if divisible is the right term, but I think it followed along with me here. As an example, when my brother Jimmy ended up dying only after a day, he was at six months.

Back in the 1960s, six months was a death sentence, right? You just knew it, right? It's just no way that you could keep a very rare you could keep a kid alive from that. And now, the age of viability is getting younger and younger. It's astounding. Like you just talked about it with this person you mentioned. They're also losing the argument on racism. The United States is not a,

racism isn't as big of a deal as it was 40 years ago. Okay? It just isn't. It's, they want to try, I'm not saying there isn't racist people out there. There's always somebody. But overall, you know, my generation, your generation, my kids' generation, they could care less on the color of a person. But what they don't want to be told is that you have to hire this person or be with this

person because of their color. So since we're not racist, we don't care, why should we make it a factor in anything? I don't know. Yeah. So they're losing, so they're coming up with these new arguments and look at immigration is one, drug use is one, homeless is one. In other words, these are new fulcrum points or points of leverage then is how the left is looking at this in the power, the battle for power.

They know they have to keep dividing to stay in power. Alright. Now let me ask a question though about the group that I think helps keep some of the division going and that would be the Oregon judiciary. I would just say courts in general, not just Oregon. Yeah, okay. Look what's going on at the federal level too. Yeah, the same issues that we have with courts in Oregon

are having the same problem at a national level too. All right. That's right. And we know that the institutions were more or less turned over or brought under the boot of the left wing a long time ago. And courts are pretty much that way too. Not all judges are this way but the vast majority of judges are appointed by the governor and we've only had left-wing

governors for a long long time. So I'm not surprised that we have mostly a left-wing judiciary. How do you fight that back in your view because most of the time when they come up for reelection no one will challenge them because everybody knows the rule you you've challenged that judge and you lose you've screwed your client if you ever have to appear before that judge in the future well I will tell you there's a couple things that bother me first thing that bothers me is that we refer to justices as liberal or conservative. They should be neither. They should be justices. Period. Well, I agree, but we know that's not the way

it works in the real world, though. Exactly. You're right. But that bothers me, though. Okay? So it's a referee at a basketball game. A referee shouldn't be for either team. Just follow the rules. So it bothers me, but you're right. In reality, we have conservative and liberal judges. Just like we, just like President Trump fought to get some ostensibly conservatives, well other than the exception of I think of the John Roberts types and the Amy Coney Barrett's, but I digress. But everybody knows that seems to be the last bastion of everybody dies for control of that right now. And maybe that's the sign of the broken downedness of our Congress and our legislature.

I don't know. What do you think? Well, yeah, like I said, it bothers me that we talk about conservative and liberal judges. So I think we should talk more about who is more astute and educated on the law than liberal or conservative. But whatever. So back to Oregon. Yes. Up until COTES, it was that the Senator of a district that had a judge opening, the governor would contact them and say,

what is your recommendation for a judge in your district that's open seat? And Governor Kistoffer did that with me and Governor Brown did that with me. My problem as a senator was finding somebody to raise their hand. Really? Yes. That was the biggest problem, trying to find a replacement. And the people that did raise their hand, maybe in the preview of some people, were of liberal mind.

So it was hard. But that courtesy has kind of gone away. I don't think Co-Tech follows that anymore. That was not by law. That was a courtesy, okay? Is part of the challenge then that the conservative jurists or the lawyers, the conservative lawyers, are making more in the private sector and the pay is pretty poor as a judge? Absolutely.

And the workload. You've got to remember that these circuit court judges, they don't have anybody clerk conformed. They have to do that themselves. So all the research and writing and looking at cases and all that, they don't have anybody clerking for them. They have to do that themselves. So all the research and writing and looking at cases and all that, they don't have anybody really clerking for them. But we end up getting liberal judges then because they'll hold their hand up and they don't mind working cheaper because maybe they're more ideologically driven rather than what

justice is all about? Could that be the issue we're dealing with here? In other words, we'll be part of the solution, we'll be part of the resistance. Does it go that deep, Herman, you think? You know, it could, possibly, you know. Yeah. I don't know that, but it's possible. Okay. But the problem is, is that we don't have a broad selection. We don't have a good conservative bench here in Oregon. Yeah. I mean, I look at my friend Mike McLean, and he was appointed by Governor Brown to that position. And then he terminated it and went back to the private sector because the workload to

pay and everything was just not there. Yeah, but now Mike's voting for Democrat stuff too in the legislature. I haven't had time to talk. I don't know what's going on there. Talk with him and say, just pulled off the Herman Baird sugar, Mike, what are you thinking? Yeah, I thought you said you'd quit drinking, Mike. Really, what's going on? No, I'm just kidding. I don't know. There are certain things that could have happened with that, but I don't know, so I don't want

to comment on it because I don't. I'd just be speculating. All right, fair enough. But yeah, ultimately though, just like at the national level with the judiciary, we're having challenges here. It's a longer-term thing, but developing a conservative bench when there are openings would be helpful. That would be something we could do, right?

Or not? Yes. We need some people to step up to the plate. I mean, there was times on appointments that we didn't have anybody even raise their hand, Democrat, Republican, anybody, for over a year. I didn't realize it was that bad. And I appreciate you sharing a little bit of that insight on getting some of these judicial appointments in and being a little bit more of than from one end of the ideological spectrum. Herman, thanks for... I'll be honest with you, I am a little bit, you know, when I talk to

the DAs, when I talk to the judges, I understand that space a little bit. So I'm, you know, I'm a little bit reluctant to be very critical because I do understand it's a lot of work. I didn't know for a long time they didn't have clerks. So when they, you know, when they're especially on on civil issues, you know, they've got to do all that research and look at prior cases and all of that stuff. They got to do that on their own. So they got to find time to do that. Plus they got to find time to be in the courtroom. All right. Didn't know that. Learn something every day. And that's why I talk with you, Herman. Okay. Well, I appreciate that, Bill. And you have a great week. You do your best in spite of the craziness around us. Okay. Be well.

All right. See you later. Former state senator, Barrett Shigger. This is KMED, KMED HC1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass.