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Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Historia Jared Knott, author of a 2nd version of TINY BLUNDERS, BiG DISASTERS. Open for Business with Randal at Advanced Air, the latest deals, how tariffs might affect the industry and other news.

The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clauserdrilling.com. Jared Nott joins me. Historian. He's an author of Tiny Blunder's Big Disasters, a brand new book too, coming out in just a, I guess a few days. Isn't that right, Jared?

Welcome back to the show. Well, actually, the electronic version is available right now you can order the paperback which is going to ship at about the 12th of April so you can order them both right now. Yeah well of course it is the international you're the best-selling author once again of tiny blunders, big disasters, 39 tiny mistakes that changed the world forever and we talked about that last time I had you on. This was probably a few months back with it. But you have been digging through history and coming up with even more great stories about weird stuff that ends up going on just by some official, some person, someone's asleep

at the wheel, someone gets a little bit overextended. I think one of my favorite stories in volume two is when you go deep into how we ended up getting to Louisiana territory and how you write in there about how Napoleon was just essentially flat broke and knew he was going to go to war for England and Jefferson's people end up going to France and thinking, no, we just want to buy New Orleans, right? That's all they wanted. They just wanted to buy New Orleans. And then you said something happened. What happened when they end up showing up? Yes, they go in there to the big presentation. It's going to make an offer to buy the city of New

Orleans. They say, well, guess what, guys? You've asked for a town. We're going to give you an empire. They offer the entire entire Louisiana purchase, which is everything drained by the Mississippi, for the reasonable price, I recall, of $15 million, at the top of my head. And, oh, wow, technically speaking, they're supposed to go back to Washington, get approval, and then come back, but that would take it too long, so they just negotiated right there, came up with the terms, and of course everybody was elated. Oh, yeah, and that was the part that was amazing. Back in the United States, people were dancing in the aisles over this practically because the United States had doubled its size. Just overnight

with something like this, lots of resources. But I guess it was one of those things where they're thinking, all right, better to ask for forgiveness than permission, right? That's right. Well, they knew correctly that they would be hailed as heroes for having to pull off this massive deal. I think it's 550,000 square miles or something like that, about 750,000 square acres, I think it is, and of course the entire Mississippi basin. And then of course from that led to the Lewis and Clark expedition, which came within an ace of having the toast cuts by the nice Pierce Indians. That's a fun story itself in the book there. So they almost died. What ended up saving them before they were able to get on the road or on the river, I guess, really?

Well, they're in the bitter root mountains out there, I think in Idaho. Anyway, they stumbled and come down on the mountains. The Nase Pierce Indians, see them, and never seen white men before. They say, gee, these guys have pots, they have pans, they have rifles, they have all these materials, but they cut their throats and what would be the richest Indians in Western Mississippi? Richest Indians with pots and pans, right? Wow. I guess it's all relative, right, to what you're used to.

Right, and rifles and shots and all those things. So knives, but anyway there was an elderly female in the tribe who had been kindly treated by white people some 20, 30 years earlier. And she said, no, no, these are good people. Treat them with fairness and kindness. So they, instead of killing them, they became their friends. They showed them how to hunt salmon. They showed them how to get to the Northwest Passage to the Pacific and were very friendly to them and very supportive to them when they were in badly need of that kind of support. They had the confinity gained, the confinity finished, and they were just close to starving. So they managed to survive and complete their mission.

But if it had not been for the kindness shown by Christian family to this elderly woman some 30 years earlier, they might have had their throats cut and their bones be bleaching out there in the sun, and everybody in Washington would have wondered what ever happened to them. Yeah. In some ways, when you talk about, you know, tiny blunders, big disasters, could that have been a tiny blunder, big disaster on behalf of the Native American tribes? When you look back at it through the lens of hindsight history. Exactly right. But I make that point there. From the standpoint of those Indians who are trying to repel European invasion,

that act of kindness was, I guess, a tight-and-blunder that led to a disaster in terms of what they were trying to accomplish. Tecumseh would have, as I said, cut their throats at the second. That's a whole big struggle taking place between Europeans and the Native Americans. And of course, in that same context, there was a mistake down there at Fort Mims. That's a whole other story about leaving the gate open to the fortress, and the Red Stake Indians come pouring in and leads to a massacre. There are three different examples in Book Two about where a fortress gate was left open or unlocked and led to

the defeat of that particular fortress, either the Fort Parker, Fort Mims, and the biggest of all, Constantinople, and the Ottoman Empire. It's amazing how many major disasters come because somebody forgets to lock the door, right? Yes, and they sent out this little tweet kind of making front of this situation. It took place way back in 1453, but he about a year, two and a half years ago, he sent out this little cartoon. It showed a soldier with helmet on in bed with blankets pulled up, a little balloon over his head showing his thoughts, and he's saying, did I remember to lock that gate yesterday?

The answer was no, which contributed to the fall of the fortress. The Turks, by the way, were kind of offended by that little cartoon, but what the heck. That's the way it goes. Jared Nott with me, who writes just really fun, interesting history books here, and the latest one that you can get now on electronic form, but the paperback out pretty soon, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. And let me see if I want to make sure I get the right name of the new one. It's Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book Two, The Many Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever. And there's one that you mentioned.

That's right. Yeah. There's one that you mentioned, an, there's one that you mentioned, an example, another one I wanted to touch on. You have so many of them in there, but one of them had to do with the Bismarck and what ended up leading to how, you know, world... now this was World War II we were talking about, right? That's correct. Okay. And it had to do once again with a tiny mistake. It's astounding how often this happens.

Yes, that's a very interesting story. I make the point in the book, it was actually a series of mistakes. The British made several mistakes. The Nazis, the Germans made several mistakes. There was mistake on one side, mistake on the other, mistake on one side, mistake on the other. And at one point, the Ark Royal aircraft carrier launched these swordfish biplanes in the storm to drop their torpedoes against the British, or they get lost in the storm, and they drop their torpedoes against a British ship.

But fortunately, they were using the new magnetic detonators, which did not work, and did not think the British ship ups. So they go back there, and they refit with the old standard contact torpedoes, and go out again a second time. The second time they find the Bismarck, and they hit it with two torpedoes. One of them, a lucky hit, hits the rudder, and it does not sink the Bismarck, but it ruins your ability to navigate. It can only travel in a big circle.

It could not make it back to the coast of France. And that was the key point that then led them to come in to sink the ship all the way to the bottom. But there were numerous mistakes on both sides. At one point, the commander of the Bismarck had lost the British who were trying to crack him in another storm, and he was told by his commanding center back in France, I think you lost the British. Do not send any more radio signals. So he was told then shut up, don't use the radio. What happened?

Yes, exactly right. He was saying those people don't know what they're talking about. I never trust them anyway. I'm going to go ahead and send these long radio messages. Well, soon enough they were able to pick up the location of the best mark and start to crack it now There was another mistake on the British side They miscalculated and they thought that he was heading to the north trying to go back to the space back to Germany But no, they have to take that for seven hours to go in the wrong direction Oops, we made a mathematical mistake. They turn around, now they're heading the right direction. So it was a mistake this way, mistake that way. And finally, in the final analysis, of course, the strip went to the bottom.

Wow. Are there any examples that you can bring up of a pretty, maybe almost close to modern history that you're talking about in Book 2 here? Is there anything that you could just briefly mention on that? Yes, October the 7th. That's when the Israelis were surprised by the air of attack. They apparently had received indications that even a warning the president of Egypt said that he sent the Netanyahu government a warning that something big was getting ready to happen. There were other indications they saw them practicing with these gliders nearby. There were indications that something was about to happen, maybe a case of overconfidence,

or what I call and other people call victory disease, when people had a series of successes in the Mossad, a legendary in its ability to see around the corner into the Arab world. Yeah, nobody wants to go up against the Mossad. One of the best intelligence agencies in the entire world, if not the best really, when you look at them. Yeah, but maybe they were too confident, maybe they believed in their own publicity a little

bit too much because they did not see that attack coming at all. If they had, it would have been a different course of history. If they had launched a preemptive attack against the Arabs, that would have neutralized the entire war before it even got started, and the outcome would have been very, very different. So that was a tiny blunder, maybe out of overconfidence, that led to a big disaster. Historian and author Jared Nott with me. And like I said, it's a great book, a wonderful read. Tiny blunders, Big Disasters,

and there is a second edition of this, like I wanted to make sure you knew about this, and I keep skipping over. What is the second book called again? It's a little bit different, okay? Yeah, it's a big, okay, it's Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, book two, The Many Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever.

When I wrote book one, I didn't know there was going to be a book two. I am just vastly, vastly honored that the success has been just enormous. And by the way, in that connection, book two is now number one in the very large US history category with Amazon, which is an enormous honor. And then book one is number six. So I have number one position, number six position, which is just a great honor. then book one is number six. So I have number one position, number six position, which is just a great honor. So number six still selling too. That's great. Wow. Wonderful. At the same time, it's just an absolute great blessing. It's been a whole bunch

of fun writing the books and it's a lot of fun talking about them as well. I wanted to ask you about the situation when you had so much success with the first one. Did people feed you maybe every now and then say, hey Jared look into this particular bit of history or did you just go oh dig this up just because of your own love of history that you know that you found all this? No, I did. I had some suggestions. My daughter, my twin daughters, told me about on the Twin Daughters, talking about Rosemary Kennedy, who was mainly retarded because of two mistakes that took place. She was being born back during the flu epidemic back in 1817, 1917, 1918, and the lady who was the midwife who was handling it did not want to deliver her.

She wanted to wait until the doctor got there so she had rows, keep her legs very tight to keep the baby from coming out. Well, that may have cut off the circulation to her body, to her brain, and so she was born moderately, fairly retarded. She could read at about a 10-year-old level, so on and so forth like that. She was an attractive figure. As a teenager, she was maybe slipping out at night. Her father, Joseph Kennedy, a rather harsh man, didn't want them doing anything that happened to hurt the family's

reputation. So we followed the advice of doctors and had a lobotomy performed on her. Yikes. Well, that made her turn into a zombie. She could talk and write reasonably well. Before that, after that she couldn't even speak. She just became a vegetable, just a step or two ahead of being a vegetable. So it was a terrible disaster. But there were lots of Rosemary Kenned's back in that era though, really. Oh yeah, there was all kinds of mistakes made. Yeah, the way they approached that sort of thing. You know, I wanted to talk with you about the

the study of history in general, where we're going here, because I noticed that it wasn't too long ago that President Trump signed an executive order restoring truth and sanity to Americans history and what do you think about that because I'll hear your take and then I want to talk about the Smithsonian when I visited the Smithsonian and also Monticello a few years ago and I I came away with with such disappointment But how do you see this executive order? Might it be helpful? And what does it actually do? Yes, I don't know the details of the order, but now, I guess, it's two sides to the story.

Back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, when I was going to school, my generation, Columbus was hailed as an absolute hero, winning in the West, you know, a wonderful thing, etc. And not as much was said, it should have been said, about the mistreatment of native peoples. So the pendulum could swing too far one way, it could swing too far the other. They act like the many deaths that took place in Latin America, from Christopher Columbus, was all being forced to work in the mines, being butchered and tortured by the Spanish. Well that's not true. The casualties came from measles and smallpox that the European sailors brought with them, and the native peoples had very little natural defenses against it.

That was where most of the casualties came from. So a balanced picture would be fair, not too much, too far, one way too far. The whole business about the United States being based on white oppression and white supremacy and so on and so forth, just takes it far, far, far too much in one direction. Yeah, okay, I agree, balance is good. But revisionism has gotten to the point

where it's practically laughable. I ended up visiting DC, I want to say this is six, seven years ago when I went there, and ended up making a wrong turn, leaving my brother's house, and we ended up at Monticello on the way back up to DC. And so my wife and I go, hey, wow, we got to go see this at Jefferson's birthplace, or his house rather. And so it was amazing to get there.

And then we got to the tour. And the tour just seemed to say one thing. In fact, I think they almost could have taken a recorder of some sort and just replay and just repeat slave slave slave slave sally hemmings slave slave slave slave and you know this is national park service you know that is running this and it was almost as if yes he did a few things good but slave slave slave slave i'm saying wait a minute you know what? I've read enough about this. This was a brilliant man and who did and wrote brilliant things and that seemed to be getting soft-pedaled and I was just, I was shocked and disheartened that this is what is, this is

what passes for history being taught. Have you ever been to Monticello? Have you experienced any of that? being being taught. Have you ever been to Monticello? Have you experienced any of that? No, but you make a very very good point. There's a lot of poison being poured into our children about white children made to feel guilty. You're the benefit of white privilege or the benefit of white oppression. And you are the source of all evil in the United States and must be vanquished, you know that kind of thing. evil in the United States and must be vanquished, you know, that kind of thing. Well, yeah, they seem to hate the United States and have the intent on bankrupting us and tearing us down. Well, after that trip to Monticello, then we're in Washington DC and I had never been to the Smithsonian. Well, boy, what a surprise

that was going inside there. I walk inside the Smithsonian displays here, and I forget which department it was, but all I was looking at was privilege. White privilege. Signs up on the walls, this and a privilege, voting, democracy, white privilege. It was like I was walking into a communist struggle session. And this is the United States agency that's running this. And this is not a balanced view of history that I was looking at. No, the government employees, of course,

heavily, heavily biased to the left. Donald Trump is evil. Fox is a propaganda tool of whatever. It's still way, way too far to the left. Of course, Hollywood kind of got its comeuppance with this last election. Some committee was saying, yes, you're blessed this way, blessed this way, you can do anything you want to, except tell people how to vote. And so the news media, which indirectly is connected to what we're talking about there,

has an extremely, extremely low approval rating. It's down around 12%, 12-14% with the American people. We saw, the voters saw through all of that, they saw through the arming of the justice system, weaponizing it against Donald Trump, and they saw against the bias of the news media, including Hollywood, and so I think they lost the battle. Do you think though, even though that leftists may have lost the battle in the election at this time, they still control the institutions, and I would dare say the Smithsonian, and the way it's told? And you know, the

victors end up telling the stories that they want told, I suppose. And also the schools. In schools, the professors and teachers in high school and college, very, very liberal, they're also spewing the same kind of disreputable filth into our children's minds that something has to be turned around. But is there any evidence that the institutions are actually being brought to heel? This will be a long-term process. It took a long time to get here, but you know, what are your thoughts having been such a great lover and studier of real history? Yes, of course the power of the

purse and Columbia and Harvard are losing millions of dollars in federal funding because of their mis-treatment the Jewish students, which is part of the same issue there. Jews are considered the white, and you're this white privilege, and they think that the Palestinians are badly abused as a minority, etc., etc. So that's just the beginning of what has to take place in terms of our textbooks and teaching the coming out of high schools and colleges. There's lots that still needs to be done. An awful lot. Well, I have to tell you, great job on this book.

I loved volume one, the first volume of Tiny Blunder's Big Disasters, and now the latest one is Tiny Blunder's Big Disasters, 39 Tiny Mistakes That Changed the World Forever. You can get that at all the usual suspects. Also you can go to tinyblundersbigdisasters.com. Tinybundersbigdisasters.com. They have two free chapters there, plus a fun quiz and a portrait gallery with 29 personalities and a little bit of dirt on each one. A little bit of dirt. That's what we like. That's what we like here.

You know, honestly, do you think that there may be enough material out there for a volume three? Well, I have a radio host who is insisting on a book three. Well, okay, we have one, Ali, we've got a book three coming out, but it goes a different direction. The title of it is The Hushed Up Murders of Famous People. They They murdered big and got away with it. That's book number three. It's going to be coming out in about another year, year and a half. Oh, I know that. I'll talk with you about that too, Jared. Thanks so much for being on the show. I appreciate it. All right. I appreciate you too. Be well. Like I said, anybody that can make such entertaining

reads of history, that really cuts through a lot of bias and crap out there. It's 834 at KMED, 99.3 KBXG. Before you know it, it will be KMED. You're hearing the Bill Meyers Show on 1063 KMED. I love that promo. Yeah, the sheeple. It's 836-770-KMED.

I'll grab one call before news and then we'll grab a few more calls after open for business. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hi, good morning. This is Tracy from Mount Vernon, Washington. So unfortunately, I caught only the tail end of the last segment there. And this I assume was in regard to the March 27th presidential declaration or executive order that cleans up history. Yeah, it's really been

bad. I've been to places like Monticello and Smithsonian the last few years. Oh, you know, I went to Monticello and I, you know, after going to Monticello, as a part of me, I almost wanted to take a shower after what I went to Monticello and I you know after going to Monticello as a part of me almost wanted to take a shower After what I had to you had to experience. I was not getting a balanced picture of Jefferson in my opinion at all No, really? No. No, it's really gotten bad and But I want to find out in the next few months and years What is going to be the impact on the Civil War? A lot of Civil War monuments were removed in the last four years, and that tells a more

complete, some may not like it, but a more complete picture of the South's attitude in the Civil War. And you know, these monuments have been removed from like the Arlington National Cemetery and elsewhere. Some obviously in the state of Virginia they removed those and you know to what extent are they going to where they're going to go to? Were they going to eliminate them from the National Cemetery? Oh I wouldn't be surprised that's kind of where it is because it's about crushing any kind of resistance to this total state. And I know that there may be people who disagree with me, but what the civil war really was about, yeah, there was a lot of slavery, slavery was a dying institution, it was an evil institution,

I make no bones about that, all right? But every other country in the world ended up just getting rid of slavery without going to war over it. And that was part of it. My main issue, and this is why I've tended to be sympathetic to the Southerners' cause, is that ultimately this is about self-determination. And up to the Civil War, there were many secessionist movements. And the whole idea is that you join a country voluntarily you can volunteer to leave.

Well the way the civil war settled it is that well you can check out anytime you like but then we will kill you is in essence what the government said back in those days okay and that's where I come down on the southern sympathy for that reason okay. Hotel California on steroids. Yeah pretty much you can check out anytime you like but we will come and kill you if you don't agree to love your tyrant. All right, that's the issue. And that's, I think, why they want to disappear southern history. And I don't have a lot of relatives from that area. I have a few, but I'm just looking at this from the point of view of, up until that time, you volunteered to join the United States, the colonies volunteered to join, and it was well known that you could also volunteer to unjoin. And they've decided, nope, you are the total state. And this

and frankly Lincoln, in my opinion, was the beginning of the total state in which, you know, you're not supposed to question anything even today. All right. Thank you Tracy. Appreciate the call. Thanks for checking in from Washington State. Also the total state Twenty before nine. This is the Bill Meyer show rule number one if you're looking to sell a home choose a local 843 open for business time here now on KMED and 99 3 KBXG open for business this time around sponsored by advanced air We have Randall my advanced air.com is number Seven seven two six eight six six. How you doing this morning Eric? Well, I'm not sorry Eric I was thinking my 630 guess this morning Randall. I'm getting everybody listen. It's liberation Wednesday. Okay, it's all we need to know

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relevant apprenticeships, the sheet metal apprenticeship and the HVAC apprenticeship, professional development. That all costs money. Warranty, like we warranty all of our installs, all of our equipment. So we stand behind our install and our product. So you're getting that. And it costs more. But there's certainly a peace of mind and a satisfaction that comes along with that. Yeah. And I know you tend to be very careful about these things. And because you never want to be one of those people that falls for the over-promising and under-delivering type of contractor. that falls for the over promising and under delivering type of contractor? Right, well especially in such a volatile marketplace we try to be as absolutely transparent, I mean even us discussing here publicly, you know

what we know, what we're seeing in the marketplace, we like to be totally up front with people because there is a lot of volatility in the marketplace and if people know that and can can understand it I mean it's not just us you know trying to raise prices there's there's all sorts of economic factors you know under the surface that are influencing and driving prices up. MyAdvancedAir.com the website here and the number is 772-6866 become a Comfort Club member to get your problems looked at in front of the line of course that's the way this works too.

And Randall, great talking to you and thanks for sharing the thoughts. And gosh, we're going to see what happens in the tariff world here over the next few years, a few days rather, because it's really going to have some impact on HVAC and contractors in general, won't it? Yeah, it absolutely will. And also, hey, good news on Oregon Executive Order 2431 that has been stayed down in flames. Yep. Yeah that was a big one that was affecting local construction companies. Yeah that was going to force those PLAs forcing everybody to go with union help and there just aren't there just isn't

a lot of that down here in southern Oregon right. That was a great it was deemed unconstitutional so we'll see how that continues to shake. All right, very good. Hey Randall, thanks for checking in and you're being on Open for Business, okay? Thank you. Yep. 856 and Change, this is KMED. The old town ego point, open daily for lunch and dinner. Hi, I'm Lisa with Pacific Survey Supply and I'm on KMED. Thank you so much for your listenership today here. Understand I'm going to have to go home and watch Tombstone. All right, maybe certainly Val for sure. Let's do some emails of the day here before I take off

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Chuck from Wolf Creek brings a great one in this morning. He says, Bill, during your show today you touched on mental health, which I have some experience. I believe from the book Mad in America that the best treatment for mental health is to get them in a peaceful place. The Quakers had it right. Treat them with dignity and get them to a place where they The Quakers had it right. Treat them with dignity and get them to a place where they did not have distractions or drugs of any kind, illicit or medication. I'm not talking about their eugenic attitudes with the actual process of caring for people with mental problems. Their peaceful and caring environment was

helpful and established the standard for care and the pharma industry ignored. It can be done for much less than our current mess. The problems with our laws today is a voluntary or involuntary one flew over the cuckoo's nest where a sane person will be detained for a period. That's why they're made so loose as we are not able to keep anyone unless they're unsuccessful at committing suicide but unless they are a minor in the foster system they only get a 48 hour lockdown. The irony of this is if they are killing themselves, they can't get help. It's not until after an attempt is kicked in that they help. It can be worse than the problem. I appreciate that. I have another email of the day. Hang on just a second.

I want to stop the system from running away with me. I wanted to get this email of the day in here too, and it is from Patrick. And this has to do with the erasing of history. We were talking about that with Jared Knott a few minutes ago here, the tiny blunder's author. And he had a great quote on history. Bill, when you erase the memory of the evils of your past, they will become the evils of your future. It's an unknown quote, but that's a great quote Patrick and that is something definitely worth considering, okay, as they erase the monuments, okay? We'll talk tomorrow on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Thank you again. Try their cherry almond loaf. A moist almond cake loaded with chopped cherries. Pure perfection in every bite. Pair one with artisan's indulgent drinks.

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