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Episode Date: April 6, 2026

Open phones start, the CEO of PEBBLE, John Shively, joins me, and they are fighting to develop a massive copper mine in Alaska, John Schleining of Ashland responds to the talk, expressing his opposition to the plan and we kick it all around.

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I was talking with Jim Bob Jr. from the Bob Laugh. firm. And of course, they have partnered with Stand for Health Defense. Actually, what was it? Let me get this correct. I'm kind of a spitballing. Stand for Health Freedom. That's the group that he was partnering with. And they submitted a brief to the Supreme Court to say, hey, we do not want to trade American safety for pesticide makers' immunity, like Monsanto. And that Monsanto should stand and still be liable for harms that it knew about and try to soft pedal or hide. I think it's perfectly reasonable. Everybody has to stand in there and be responsible for their stuff.

And yet, the legal system doesn't always or isn't always a good arbiter of this. And you'll have contradictory rules that will tend to, in my opinion, protect entrenched power. It's how I see it, at least. And I was reading a commentary this morning by, this is his name, Paul Jacob. I subscribe to Paul Jacobs' commentary, and it's called Common Sense. And he pops out a story every now and then every few days. And he wrote one this morning, which is very key to, I think,

what the Supreme Court's going to be deciding with this Monsanto case, all right? And he calls it Justice Delayed Forever. and I'm going to share a little bit of it with you. He says, in 2023, the families of people who had died because of Boeing's lies about airplane safety, this is the 737 max, we're told that it was too early to challenge the Justice Department's deferred prosecution agreement with Boeing. Now, in 2026, the very same Fifth Circuit says that their challenge is too late. So it's kind of like the legal situation right now where heads, Boeing wins, tails, any challengers to Boeing lose. When was the perfect Goldilocks moment, Paul Jacob writes?

When was lawyer Paul Kassel supposed to challenge on behalf of his clients? The Justice Department's 2021 deferred prosecution agreement and 2025 non-prosecution agreement with Boeing? Cassell reports that several years ago, Boeing lied to the FAA about the safety of its new 737 Max aircraft. So Justice investigated. It charged Boeing with a criminal conspiracy, yet immediately signed a sweetheart DPA that let Boeing avoid a criminal conviction so long as it paid penalties and compensations to the families and also promised to do better. But in court, the families proved that the Justice Department had hidden the agreement. even though legally obliged to consult with them. The same judge who acknowledged this in 2022 went on to rule in 2023 that there was nothing he could do. And so appealing that decision, Kassell was next foiled by the Fifth Circuit Court, which ruled in December 20203, that any relief for the family was premature.

Now, many complications later, the Fifth Circuit says it just ignored its previous promise. So Boeing suffering really no proportionate consequences to its incompetence and its dishonesty, its criminal dishonesty in my opinion, by the way. It was just a matter of time before similar cases are repeated. And that's Paul Jacobs' common sense. And he brings up a very interesting point. Of course, you can imagine why Boeing got a get-out-of-jail-free card or mostly free card. They just had to pay money to some of that, and even that's been stopped now.

it's because of the defense contracting position, right? Being part of the military industrial complex permits you a great deal of levity to screw over the regular people when your product causes problems. I think that's what's going on. Tom's here. Tom, good to have you on this Monday morning. Welcome to the show. It's on your mind. Thank you, Bill. You know, we're talking about Monsanto and all the phony scientific justifications for doing what you're doing. they're doing. Oh, just out and out lies about it, too. Yeah, I think this is a major, major problem.

My conversations with people who are involved in, say, the climate crisis or COVID or whatever, their points of view are often say, well, we have peer-reviewed scientific studies back in what we're saying. There seems to be a huge disconnect out there that people don't realize how perverted science has become. It's been perverted by big money, just like it perverts so many other aspects. Well, it perverts big law, too, the whole sort of thing. Exactly. You're talking about that. Yeah. If you don't go into some of these questions without realizing how perverted our information is and peer-reviewed scientists no longer a justification for being accurate at all. I mean, when I had the conversations about the climate crisis and so forth, it ultimately came down to, well, our peer-reviewed

scientific studies saying, you know, we're in a crisis. And that's simply not true when you follow the money upstream. They seem to be a refusal to recognize and own the fact that big money controls science. It controls their government. It controls the law. And that's what we're dealing with. And if you don't have a realistic evaluation of what's going on, you can't really realistically expect to fix the problems. But that's where, to me, it's like a deep cause of why there's so much confusion and chaos and criminality. Well, we can't even have a clear view of what reality is here. And by the way, you were talking about, you know, the peer-reviewed science, right? And you have the outright fraud, fabricated or falsified scientific data, right? You have the

questionable research practices, and then you also have science that has irreproducible results. Other people try to replicate it and then it doesn't work. Well, it's hard to actually put a hard number on it, but there are some numbers here. Maybe 2 to 3% outright fraudulent scientific papers that are out there that are published and still in existence.

And maybe 10, 15% of scientists say that they've seen colleagues do it. So what's the real number? And so what I was saying though is that studies even right now, I just wanted to hit this point, then I'll let you complete it, okay? Okay.

30 to 50% of researchers already admit to cherry picking and stacking the deck to support their deal. And so you have to say the 30 to 50% of scientific data out there is questionable at best, or at least should be questioned. Exactly. And it's not just the researchers itself. The head of Lancet and a few other, the medical professions, journals and so forth said, hey, we really found out that the peer-reviewed has been really corrupted. It's not just, you know, people in the street or a scientist here and there.

You were talking about the editors of some of these journals saying peer-review doesn't mean anything now, scientifically speaking. So I think, you know, this huge disconnect between understanding where our understanding is coming from is making for a lot of misunderstanding. Point well taken. And it's so true. And that's why when someone says peer-reviewed science, I almost start laughing at it because... You want to puke. Yeah, there's been a, well, there's been a collapse in ethics. And you don't want to be in someone just pooh-poo's absolutely everything you say, right? You know, that's hard to be. But, you know, you really, really have to be careful on what you choose to believe in, which rabbit holes you choose to go down to at this point. because there is just so much massage data and out and out fraud everywhere you go.

Yeah, exactly. Couldn't say it better. All right. Some of it. Thank you for that. I always appreciate your call, Tom. It's always appreciated. This is KMED and KMED HD-1, Eagle Point Medford, KBXG grants pass.

We're going to check Fox News here and get the latest on the national headlines here. Kennedy update. I happy to take more of your calls on anything on your mind. I think I was talking this morning just having fun with who we think will be the next attorney general and for me, I think my money, if I was a betting man and I could bet on the markets there, I would say it's Harmeet Dillon. But what would you say? It's a lot of fun, a little bit of fun.

Just go ahead and spout something that you think, okay? We'll talk about that and other things on your mind too. Sweetwater sanitation. Are you? And I'll come talk to your trees, then provide a free quote that's guaranteed. Find us at Quality Tree Service Medford.com or call 541-821-8594. Taking your calls at 7705-633, Monday morning, April 6th, this is the Bill Myers Show. Minor Dave, Dave, I was just musing a little while ago.

I think Harvey Dillon has a lock on the Attorney General's position. That's just me, though. Do you have any particular picks you'd like to throw in there? If we're going to have a little fun with the federal government, why not this, right? I like Army Dillon, but I also like Judge Jeanine Piero, which is the current D.C. U.S. justice. Yeah, yeah, the attorney there, sure. I like, listen, let me tell you, she's certainly an attack dog.

There's no doubt about that. I think that she would have trouble with confirmation only because I think if you have been a former big, high-profile Fox News personality, I think you'd have trouble, don't you think? Well, she got through her appointment with, you know, for D.C. Yeah, except I think that this is a temporary, duration, you know, this particular... No, no, no. She was approved by the Senate.

She's locked in. There's D.C. attorney. Okay. Well, so she made that one, but this is A.G., this is a bit up there. You sure she wouldn't have more trouble second time around? Well, it depends. I know that she's well-like. Well, I like her a lot, but I think that, well, I'm kind of going more for Harmi. That's just me. Okay? Yeah, well, I'd like her. occur too. You know, they could share the position. You could do that? We could have two attack dogs.

Oh, yeah. Well, well, co-attack dogs. All right. Right. Let's see, one's a pit bull and what the other one's a Great Dane, I guess, right? One way or the other. Well, not Great Dane. I'm sorry. Judge Gino is a pit bull. Yeah, definitely a pit bull. And we would say, what is, what would you put to Harmeet? I mean, she's just, I mean, just kill her instinct. She's a bull master. Okay, there we go. That's it.

That's a good, a good aggressive dog. It's what we need. Thanks, Dave. Bye. 770K.E.D. How do the updates on the way and more? When it comes to buying or selling a house, you don't take advice from artificial intelligence. Hey, it's Lars.

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about 10, 15 minutes after the news break here, because John Shively ended up getting on the phone here a little early, and I'm thrilled to have him on a little earlier. He's a former Alaska Commissioner of National Resources, 40-plus years of experience in this one, and we're going to talk about something which may not be considerably, well, considered sexy, a sexy topic. But it's a very important key topic here for the state of United States of America. And that is copper.

Isn't that right, John? Welcome to the program. Good to have you on. Thank you, Bill. It's great to be on. Yeah, coppers, you know, people don't understand how important it is. I mean, anything electric pretty much has copper. And I was promoting here with your appearance, you know, coming up for this.

morning I was saying that everything AI everything electrical everything electronic it's copper copper copper copper and copper copper sources or the mines the mining for copper has actually been challenged for a number of years in the United States and copper is now considered very much a strategic need that we have to concentrate on isn't that fair way of looking at it right now absolutely I mean the I mean whether it's AI whether it's you know the other increase in electricity we see in our daily lives, or most importantly these days, defense.

I mean, everything you need in defense has some kind of electrical component. Indeed. And that's what you do. Now, you're the CEO of Pebble. Could you tell us about Pebble and why this is where we're kind of hearing, kind of a push-me-pull-you situation with the Trump administration and what you're trying to do over in Alaska? Right.

And what Pobbles is the largest undeveloped copper project in the world. We also have other minerals, gold, silver, aluminum, meridium. And it's been very politically controversial. The environmentalists oppose it. Of course, they oppose virtually any major mind. I mean, whether it's resolution in Arizona, twin metals in Minnesota. But the Biden and Obama administrations both have tried to shut us down using the Clean Water Act. The Biden administration did veto us.

We have sued to overturn that veto. We thought the Trump administration might settle with us before litigating against us, but they decided to litigate, which isn't all bad. I mean, this whole thing of whether or not the EPA overuse their powers in this veto is probably worthy of a judicial decision. And so, and we hope to get a judicial decision sometime later this year. So the Trump administration at this point in time, even though they're saying, hey, we need copper and we need it fast, and we need a lot more of it, right? That's essentially, you know, what we're talking about, what is needed here in the United States. And copper price has soared, if I understand correctly, hasn't it, over the last few years? Has it gone up significantly?

It's gone from a whole over $2 a pound over $5 a pound. Yeah, this is why we can't have nice things like pennies, right? Right, exactly. Although there hadn't been much copper in pennies for a couple decades. I know, I know. Yeah, but to your point here, and this is a big deal. The part that surprised me is that rumor has it that there is actually that President Trump's son is against this project. Is that true or not?

Well, he clearly was during Trump won, and he was public about it. But he hasn't said anything really during this administration, so we don't know. I mean, I think things have changed. I mean, during the Trump won, copper was not considered a critical mineral, and people did not understand what the growth was going to be. A recent study says that we're going to be 10 million tons short by 2040 worldwide of copper. that's a lot of copper and we need mines the size of pebble we probably need three or four a year between now and then which is very worldwide it's very difficult and we wonder why all of the electrical wiring is locked up behind uh well under lock and key at most hardware stores these days right to your point absolutely yeah and people go into construction so i to steal it and you know any way they can get

their hands on it's interesting i mean right now we import about 50% of our copper from overseas um most of it from chile some from china but the the real strategic problem is that china now produces half the world's copper uh and they you know they have no uh environmental process if they want to build a cross a smelter they build it they want to build a power plant they build it You know, we take years. I mean, we've spent over a billion dollars. You know, we've started serious expiration in the early 2000s resolution, and Arizona has spent $2 billion.

They still, you know, don't have their permits. They're a competitor of yours, that group? Well, I don't know if they're a competitor. I mean, the market is there for both of us. You can sell as much copper as you want to, if you could just get the mines open, right? Right. And the other thing the country has to deal with is processing. So you can mine it, but right now we haven't put a new copper processing plant in this country in over 50 years.

And so you can mine it, but then you've got to send it to Asia someplace else to get it processed. So that's another thing that the country has to concentrate on. I mean, China saw this coming at least two decades ago, and, you know, they set out to become the OPEC, of minerals and we are way behind them. Yeah, it strikes me, John. By the way, John Shively is with me. He's the CEO of Pebble, Pebble, which is this undeveloped copper deposit in Alaska. It seems that we've almost had this attitude of not only will we outsource our manufacturing,

that was like the biggest push for a long time because nobody wants those dirty manufacturing jobs. Nobody wants those jobs, right? Yeah, that's the sort of thing. And, and, uh, you mean those 80 to $100,000 jobs? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's what I'm getting at here, John. I'm being sarcastic is, you know, you know, with you on this. But now it's like, well, we don't want, you know, the, the mines and, you know, we're okay if we go and get rare earths out of, uh, some, uh, some mine with, uh, with a 10-year-old, not in school, you know, digging out of it in the Congo, right? We're okay with that. It's almost like we have it, as long as it's out of sight out of mine where if the Chinese are polluting their environment, then that's okay, right?

Is that kind of the attitude that our regulatory state has taken in the United States? And this has been the challenge for you and others trying to get some minds open? Well, absolutely. And, you know, the environmental movement, which to me these days is more about money, since some of their CEOs make close to a million dollars, the environmental community fights everything because that's how they raise their money. So it's not like you can go and sit down with them and say, you know, If you've got this problem, let's say if we can solve it, it's no, no, no, and the regulatory

process is designed to help them. You still there? Yeah. Okay, yeah, I'm sorry, your phone disappeared for just a second. But anyway, John, tell us then about Pebble. It's this undeveloped copper deposit. How big is it? Where is it?

And I'm wondering if that's what's causing you the trouble in this issue. Yeah, it's part of it. We're about 220 miles southwest of Anchorage, southwest Alaska. We are in a very sensitive area. It's in the Bristol Bay watershed. The Bristol Bay Watershed has the largest Sok-I salmon fishery in the world. Okay. But we also have an environmental impact statement that says we can do the project without harming the fish.

I mean, the project itself could mine for 70 to 100 years by what we know of the prospect now. So, you know, it's a two to three-generational project in an area that has very, little economic opportunity with primarily Alaska natives, small villages, and I was involved in another mine up north of the Arctic Circle on Alaska Native land. It really changed that whole area in terms of people's lives, their ability to have a well-funded government and things like that. So this is a great opportunity for that area and for the state of Alaska. It's on state land, so the state will benefit both from taxes and royalties. Okay. Now, what kind of mining is this? And I think when, you know, because we had gold

mines here in Southern Oregon years ago in which you would take water and blast the hillsides, and then the water would sluice into the rivers and, you know, take the arsenic with it and all that kind of stuff. And Open Pit, what is the type of mining that you would be doing by this sensitive area? I'm just kind of curious what the business plan would be. Yeah, it's an open pit mine, but we have to take all the mine waste. We put it behind a tailings impoundment facility. Any water that touches the project in any way has to go through a water treatment plant before it is released into the environment.

And it's because of that kind of design, which is much different than what you were talking about when people just went in with big hoses and washed away rock and dirt, because of that design is why our environmental impact statement says that we can do the project and not harm the fishery. Okay. Do you plan on processing it on site, or is the processing still going to have to be done somewhere else? In other words, is this just going to be mining of ore? And I don't know if it's going to be smelt it in the ingots, and I'm sorry if I'm being really ignorant about how this process, how this process works. Not very many people.

So mining is actually relatively simple. You blow up the rock, you grind it down into something as fine as flour. You put it through a processing where we make concentrate. So for us, the mineralization in the rock is under 1%. We make something called a concentrate, which gets the mineralization up to about. 26%. That then has to go to a processing plant. And right now we are looking at also putting a processing plan in Alaska with different technology than has been used in the past. Generally, it's been smelting, which has air quality issues. Sure. We're looking at a different system

that uses liquid and pressure and heat. So that's interesting. So it's interesting. So it's not just having grown up around steel mills when I was a kid in Pittsburgh. All that stuff kind of went out in the air. This would not be doing that in this particular case from the sounds of it. Right. Well, yeah. Well, I don't know how old you are, but the environmental laws have changed a lot. Oh, yeah.

Well, I'm 64. I'll be 65. But, you know, I remember the days living by the Coke factories that the, you know, the acid would fall on the car and just corrode your paint. when I was a kid. That was pretty much a routine. We're not talking about that kind of stuff, though, right? No, not anymore. Fortunately, I mean, you know, we learned things. And, yeah, Pittsburgh wasn't, didn't have a great reputation, I guess, in those days, it has a wonderful reputation now.

That's because everything's closed. But anyway, I beg, I'm just having fun with you a little bit here. But anyway, this is a big deal. And how many people would be working in Alaska, if you ended up getting this project, getting all the approvals, and we're able to move forward. What would it take? Well, the construction would take about 2,000 people. The operations 800 or so, but then there's the impact goes nationwide, because in order to run a line like this, we need large equipment, we need supplies, all that. None of that stuff is made in Alaska.

So we'll be buying, we did an economic study several years ago, and we would be buying from all. almost every state in the union. Wow. That's pretty impressive here. And has the Trump administration talked about maybe doing some wiggle on this, or are they still defending the veto from the Biden-era EPA? Well, from the totally, from the Justice Department standpoint, they filed a very aggressive brief.

We have to respond to them by the 14th of April. But we're still chatting with them. I mean, they understand, I think, both the problem with needing copper. They also understand that, you know, this veto could have impacts way beyond us because it could be used in the future by administrations, if it is legal, to shut down, you know, personally any kind of major project, mining, oil and gas, or otherwise. John, how much copper, I guess, according to the notes here from you, 6.4 billion pounds of copper is underneath that ground. Now, that strikes me as a lot, if I think of billions of pounds, but is there a way to conceptualize that by, like, you know, okay, it's, you know, 100,000 miles of wire for the electrical grid or something?

Is there any way you can put numbers that big into a perspective for us? Well, I've never done that. That's an interesting approach. What I can say is, you know, we could produce 15% of the nation's copper needs, and we could do that for 70 years or more. 70 years. That's a long-term project, then. Right. How long does it take to actually get permits for something like this, on average, for mining?

Well, an average in the United States, the permit of copper mine is 29 years. How can anybody invest in this, John, 29 years before you start even making one buck out of it? Really? Right. Yeah. You know, this project, from the time you find the prospect, this prospect was found in 1988. And you're still trying to get this going. Yes.

Oh, my gosh. No wonder we've been so screwed up all these years. 30 years? It's just gotten worse. I mean, and, you know, part of it is just the permitting process itself and how much you have to do to even get into the permitting process and get it. But the other part is litigation. You know, everything gets litigated. And the courts, you know, substitute their judgment from time to time.

And, you know, unfortunately, the Supreme Court recently has made some major rulings that, that, I think limit what the courts can do. But the thing you have to understand is that the environmentalists, when they sue, first of all, helps them raise money. And secondly, they have nothing at risk. Yeah. Now, this sounds to me like there needs to be real reform to the Equal Access to Justice Act. Isn't that what you're referencing, John? Yes. And, you know, Congress is filling around with permitting and some of the things that would involve litigation. The House passed a pretty good bill. It doesn't solve all the problems, it's all some of them, sitting in the Senate right now, whether or not they'll get to as a whole other issue. It is interesting that on this issue, the Democrats have

begun to understand that it's not just mines, they can stop, but people can stop wind farms and solar farms and things like that. And so they actually have some interest, I think, now and maybe trying to get some sanity back into the permitting. Yeah, maybe we can get a little something done on both sides and accept a few more wind farms in exchange for, yeah, let's actually mine and get some things built again and actually working in this country. Where can people go to find out more about this and what could we do to maybe help or put a thumb on the scales? Is there anything we can do as regular folks or not? Okay, well, pebbleparnership.com is our website and so there's a lot of information there.

And, you know, I don't know. I think people need to talk about this issue. You know, it needs to be a subject, you know, around guys and gals are having coffee and things like that. And, you know, if you have organizations and you want speakers, you know, have people come and speak about this issue. This whole issue goes way beyond Pavell in terms of what our country needs and whether we're going to get it and how much it's going to cost. I really appreciate your take on it. It's something that I didn't really know much about until, you know, looking at this up. And you penned this op-ed in real clear energy, and I'm going to put that up on my show blog today.

And, John, I'm going to keep you in the Rolodex. I'd like to have you back on at some point, and I'm hoping that is this going to be any kind of court decision coming up, or is it strictly what the DOJ is doing? What is your status right now? Yeah, well, while our response brief, as I said, on April 14th, then we hope to get a decision sometime this year. And, you know, once we get a decision, that might be a good time to come back,

or if something else major happens, we can get in touch with you, and if you think it's worthy of your time, then I'm always happy to come back. Always is. And I have to tell you, To have something which was discovered what, in the late 1980s, right? This is when these deposits were discovered in the late 1980s, and there's still nothing, nothing happening.

That's just insane. Yeah. Well, you know, it's amazing. When I started this with Pebble in 2008, my main interest, I've done a lot of work with Alaska Natives in the state was the economic benefits of this project. for people in an area that's economically depressed. And I used to say that was my interest, and I wasn't too worried about the world supply of copper. Well, now I'm worried about both. Okay, very good. John Shively, the CEO of Pebble, thank you so much for the analysis on this and giving us your take on this. I haven't heard much about it until now. Thanks so much for the call.

Good having you on. All right. Thank you, Bill. Take care. John Shively. It is 742. This is KMED 993, KBXG. We'll catch up on news. Your calls, of course welcome here on Monday's morning. Stephen Westfall Roofing is growing. Now proudly serving Brookings, Gold Beach, and the entire Southern Oregon Coast. They special like com. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED.

And it's open phone time 770 KMED. Now, I just ended up spending about 15 minutes talking with John Schleively at, I'm sorry, John Shively rather, at Pebble, the CEO of Pebble, which wants to develop the world's largest copper deposit in Alaska. Now, John Schleining. So I have Shively and Shlining. So that's why I was kind of getting the screwed up there with him.

John Shlining, we know we've talked with you off and on over the years about many things. I know you are not an environmental wacko. And you are completely against what John Shively was talking about here over the last 10, 15 minutes. I'd like to get your take on it. I know you fish up there all the time. Yes. Well, I was hoping to confront him on the air. Yeah, I didn't realize. I didn't know who it was there. I don't have a call screener.

Yeah, no, I understand. Yeah. Well, first of all, their company is not an American company. Let's start with that. And Bristol Bay is the largest fishery in the United States, by far. There's nothing that even compares to it. It's the New Shigach River and the Wood River. Okay.

First off, you say it's not an American company. And, all right. And so what? Where do they heal from then? Canada. Okay. All right, Canada. All right, Canada.

So anyway, the thing of it is that their history, they've had, my understanding is they've had many other minds that have had environmental disasters that their company is not a safe company to deal with. And Bristol Bay, what they are planning to do, by the way, I spent 40 years up there every summer. I have a camp up there with fishing boats and I go up there. But there's at least 18,000 people that have jobs in the summer regarding the fishery in Bristol Bay in Dillingham, Alaska. It's a huge thing. It's half of our fish that we have in America to eat of salmon. And so anyway, bottom line of it is, is that they're planning on putting in a wooden dike.

And for any reason, not a wooden, excuse me. I think it's an earth and, Dyke, Erthinberg, right? Yeah, and that's what they've done before. But if it breaks loose in any way, the chemicals that they use would kill every fish in Bristol Bay. They would kill our largest fishery in the United States of America. And I was so grateful that Trump stopped it. I mean, it's just everybody up there thinks it's just insane where they're putting it right upstream from where all the fish are. And their track record is hideous, is my understanding.

Now, is there a way to do this, though? Because we tell you, you know, six billion pounds of copper, it's nothing to sniff at, though, it is critical. So is there a way to have our fish and eat it too, so to speak? There's a way to do it, but not a safe way. I mean, you're risking the largest fishery in the United States of America. Half of all of our salmon comes from Bristol Way. And they have, I mean, they have had environmental impact statements on other projects that my understanding is that they have failed. I mean, if they fail here, you're going to kill the largest fishery in America. And I'm really grateful that Trump saw that and stopped it. All right. So I know that this was a Trump's son that really brought it to his attention. So you're thinking they're right to then.

Trump's son, Trump's son fishes up there. Yeah. He fishes at a lodge. I won't go into the personal name, but he fishes up there. He understands that it's the best fishery, you know, in the world. Okay. I mean, I've had 13 days where I've caught over 200 king salmon in a day. We fish with barbell's hooks and let them go.

All right. I've caught 191 silver salmon in seven and a half hours. Well, it sounds like a great place to fish. I'm not doubting that, though. but then what do you think it should be done when we have a nation starred for copper half of it comes from China and I'm sure that China wouldn't even care about the damn fish you know you know that is probably what would happen right but from what I understand neither does the pebble mine people they have they've had all these other incidents is my

understanding now could I be wrong yes but that's what I've read that they've had I don't remember five or six other problems But if you have one problem at Bristol Bay, you've not only killed a few fish, you've killed half of the salmon in the United States. All right. I appreciate. You know, and I appreciate what you're saying. You're saying we need the copper, and we have to get the copper. And I don't know what the answer to that is.

I have no clue. I just know that they're risking half of the fish that we catch. I mean, these are the commercial fishermen that catch the fish. And, of course, the commercial fishermen have destroyed the King Run on the Nusugak now. And I thought for years, I would tell them, you can't put your nets in until there's 15,000 female fish that go through Bristol Bay. They have to let that many king salmon go through, or you're going to kill the run. On one phone call, a guy from the commercial fishery said, well, I hope I kill them this year, so I never have to listen to you again. Well, this year they finally just said that just this week, they came out with a ruling that sports fishermen can't keep any more fish ever, but not for, you know, probably forever for years.

Because they've killed the king salmon run, because the other run, the stock eyes, you know, that's the big money fish. Yeah. And so by letting the king salmon live, they lose money. And they've destroyed the king salmon run on the new shack at this point. Well, I appreciate the alternative opinion here, John. I really do. And I'm going to look a little bit more. Like I said, this is the first time I ever talked with John Shively.

All right? So I'm going to look at a little... Let me know if I'm wrong. Anything you find out that you think that I'm incorrect, I would like to know. It's just what I've read. I will certainly do that. And thank you so much, John. Okay.

Be well. So there we go. One guy, copper guy, another guy, fish guy. There we go. The ultimate conflict. here that we have everywhere. Boy, how can we do both? So a way to do both.

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Dave, since you are and studied mining all these years, You've heard the arguments there with John Shively, John Shively from Pebble, the Pebble partnership. And then you heard John Shlining not real happy about the threat to the fishery. I can see both sides of these. Well, you know, this is where they both need to sit down and talk about instead of an earthen gitch that could have weakies. They could pipe it. Yeah, it would cost four more money than the setup. But they did this down in Chile where they found a gold mine like back during World War, I mean a copper mine back down in the, you know, during World War II.

And they didn't start mining it until the 80s. And what they did was is they mine, their open pit mining. But they... Was that like the Rio Tinto people or some other partnership or, you know, company? That's the one. Rio Tento, okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's like at 8,000 feet, so, and down below was all bogs and stuff.

So to keep it separated out and leak you out, they like it all. Yeah. Well, I could see that, you know, I just wonder, though, if there is any kind of regulation that the federal government could put in that, in a permitting process for this, because, like I said, this was discovered in the late 80s. nothing's been done with it since. I mean, this is a long time, you know, a long time to sit around. You know, could you make it tight enough? Could it be tight enough to actually satisfy the fishery fans and the environmental people?

I just don't know. I don't know that you could ever satisfy them. Because, you know, I think that we fishery people, we can make an argument that they're causing their hazard and we should ban all fishing. Hey, there you go. How about that? No fishing, too. All right. Thanks, Dave. Just a, just musing out here this morning. Hi, KMEDA. Good morning. Welcome. Hey, Bill. It's Steve. Hey, Steve. What's up? Yeah, could you turn your radio down there, Steve? Thanks. There we go. Okay, cop or mine. There used to be a nickel line up by Riddle,

and that went away in the late 80s. Was that an open pit mine, or was it a hard rock mine? How did that work, do you recall? They took 300 feet off the top of a mountain, and it originally had a smelter there, and the air quality people did away with the smelter, and for a few years they were hauling the ore to somewhere in the Philippines, I think, can be processed. That's not a real sensible way to run a railroad, is it?

Well, it didn't last very long. I'm sure the cost was prohibitive to do that. But evidently, the oris is very good as far as nickel. And nickel is pretty, is very valuable. It's used in steelmaking and a lot of other things. It seems to me, though, that we're getting to the point now in this country, where it can't just be either or, no pun intended, right? You know what I'm getting at?

Yep, absolutely. The same thing with the wood products industry is gone, and we have a housing shortage, and, you know, it's kind of one of those dumb moments. What's going on here? We have the resources, but we can't use them because of tort litigation, I guess. I don't know what you call.

And certainly the so-called equal access to Justice Act is something which has put too heavy a thumb on the environmental side of it too because this whole idea that, okay, you can't make anything here, no, you can't dig for that here, okay, but you can go fish and that's all, you know, that sort of thing. And after that, too. Yeah, well, that's true. You know, that's true. I find that so interesting.

Everybody's up there doing their sport fishing and things like that. What you're trying to tell me, gangrene doesn't want that gone to? Yeah, they do. They do. I mean, you can't keep, you know, if they're wild fish, you can't keep them. You have to only keep hatchery fish, and they want to close the hatcheries. And that's why we talk with you, Wild Salmon Steve. All right, thanks, Steve.

I'll take one more call, and we'll head into news. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hi, Bill. It's Lucretia. Hey, Lucretia. It's going on with you this morning.

Oh, I've got to have your song. Sit you there. There we go. Take it away, sister. There we go. Thank you. Yeah. It's kind of the same with glyphosate as far as the situation.

Dr. Zach Bush, so some of these farmers are getting weeds, so you have to get chainsaws to take down. And the farmers are not producing the amount of food they could do on organic. Now, is this why, though, like I said, the Trump administration on one hand is saying glyphosate is a national security priority, right? That's what they're saying about this must be about the food supply, or at least the GMO crop food supply, isn't it, or not? Right. They're saying it's important, and they're putting it as a defoliant, and like your wheat bread that you eat,

and have 354 parts per million. Again, it takes a half a part per million to destroy the gut for it. So many people are having SIBO and colon problems and cancers. How many times did we see ads for irritable bowel syndrome medication? out there. Right. And so there is a better way that farmers will produce more. We know it.

They're just hiding that science and the truth. It's by CO2. If we've got a drought, you've got your much better off if there's higher CO2 levels. Well, you know, Gregory Rice down to your point, though. He has mentioned how soils hang on to the moisture much better with higher CO2 levels. It's amazing. I've asked, everybody have asked, they have no idea how much CO2 is in there. A lot, right?

Well, a lot of nothing is nothing. Yeah, a little bit over 400 parts per million is where we are right now. They don't know when they say in the 1900s, early 1900s, it was 0.026. So it's gone up 40% of nothing. So it's gone up to 0.04. And they don't understand that it's nothing and that everything they eat in their house, and their chair and their wooden tables, all this comes from the invisible from the air

as a plant produces it into cellulose and glucose and all this for the food. And even if you're eating an animal, it ate the grass that has this process that takes the CO2 from the air. It's all, well, it's the carbon cycle that we all learned in school. Apparently our SO-Can folks didn't learn the carbon cycle.

So I understand where you're coming from there. Lucretia, thank you for the education. All righty. Got to go here. And we'll catch up on the rest of the news here. Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law, where past meets present, we'll talk about some local history too. We'll have a diner 62 quiz on top of that.

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