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Episode Date: April 8, 2026

Thought-provoking talk with journalist and author Mark Ray Cromer, and his excellent book CALIFORNIA TWILIGHT - Essays and Memories of The End of The Golden State - must read. Open for business follows with Network in action and guests.

This hour of the Bill Myers Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. One of my favorite Dwight Yolkham songs, the late great Golden State. I remember watching him. I think he sang that at Britt. I saw him there a couple of years ago. And it was a...

And, you know, we're all kind of nodding our head. And here we are in Southern Oregon. and dealing with friends in Northern California, but going, yeah, are we kind of whistling past the graveyard? And joining me right now is Mark Ray Kromer. Mark Ray Kromer, his book, very thought-provoking, California Twilight, Essays and Memories of the End of the Golden State. This hour of the Bill Myers Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling.

They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klauserdrilling.com. Welcome to the show. Good morning. Thank you, Bill. Good morning to you. I don't know if you were familiar with that Dwight Yolkham Chestnut, but I just thought. I love the title, and I love Dwight.

I remember him fondly from the late 80s period. And I would just say, yes, you are whistling past the California graveyard. Okay, that's what I was kind of wondering here. So this book is a compilation of essays over the last couple of decades or so. And I'm wondering, tell us a little bit about your journalism background. You've written for all the biggies here, what it sounds like, right? Yeah, I started in really the sort of the last great epoch of print journalism during the end of the Reagan administration, late 80s. And my career took me through all the regional dailies in Southern California.

This is a period you may recall when there were, you know, pretty powerful regional dailies all independently owned by both companies and families. and then into the Los Angeles Times. I was a freelancer for the Times for years, writing feature stories, the LA Weekly. And at one point or another, throughout Southern California, I probably, my byline popped up in most of the papers. I did some also work for the Washington Times and the New York Daily News. On crime and any number of other sort of cultural-relevant subjects, And really was during my background in print, newspaper, journalism that the real sort of interwoven impact, social impacts of the legal immigration at a mass scale became, you know, much more evident in my day-to-day job.

So I wasn't necessarily covering the legal immigration in the 80s and 90s directly, but I was exposed to it. And you started seeing the results of what was going on. You couldn't help but, well, connect the dots, so to speak. Jail, courtrooms, emergency rooms, you name it, yes. By the way, when did California first go down the sanctuary state official role here? Like Oregon did this back in the 1980s. Was that the same for California? Yes.

And probably even a little bit before that, I think Special Order 40, which surprisingly emerged from Daryl Gates tenure as the police chief at LAPD, which held that basically a migrant's migration status would not be really taken into consideration and wouldn't be used to hold him. It was sort of a template going way back. I think that was the early 80s. I don't think it was the late 70s. But it goes quite a ways back.

and it basically stipulated that, look, we're not going to hand over and cooperate to LAPD's position that would do more damage to the migrant community, that it would benefit the American community, I suppose. But, you know, one of the fascinating things about the little policy initiatives that began to, and I say little, just meaning sort of obscure. I don't think that was really big news. Excuse me. I don't think that was really big news back then, but these things add up. And it reminds me of what Ernest Hemingway say about bankruptcy. It happened to him little by little, and then suddenly all at once. Yeah, all in once.

Yeah, famous quote. And really what I think California Twilight does is brings it into over a period of, because it is a curation of 36 different columns and essays published by major newspapers around the country. over the last 20-some-odd years, over the last quarter century. And so it's a series of snapshots of what has happened in California and taking what's happened in California and some examples in other states as well. It serves, I think, is a really useful, I hope, roadmap of how cumulatively these missteps, policy missteps, well-intentioned though they may have been,

add up and deliver completely unintended consequences at a mass scale. The death of a thousand cuts policy-wise, essentially. Absolutely. And California, right, in the 80s, you really saw somewhat corresponding with the Simpson-Muzzoli amnesty that Reagan brought in and the Republicans brought in with the Democrats, of course, which was catastrophic. And a lot of the genesis of what we're dealing with now stretches back to the 80s in California. When did you first realize as a journalist here, Mark, that, oh, boy, we've got some real problems in here with unrestricted mass immigration here. When did it, like, come home to you?

Was there any kind of an aha moment or did it just sort of build over time? Yeah, well, a little bit of both, but certainly the aha moments. I'm a second-generation Pomona boy. My parents, my mom was born in Pomona, California in the 1930s. And my dad came out from Oklahoma, a Dust Bowl guy, family. And they made their home in Pomona, California, a nice suburban Southern California community. and my brother and I came along in the Kennedy era. And when we grew up, we went to the same high school as our mom and dad,

we recognized the town that they grew up in. By the time I was coming out of college, I could at Cal Poly Pomona, I could see most of the town left and recognized. it. By the mid to late 90s, it was effectively gone, and now the street that my 88-year-old mother still lives on in her home is, so for example, this is if you want to know how it really cuts home. 40, 45 years ago, that street predominantly Anglo, the nuclear family, the nuclear family, quintessential nuclear family was well represented up and down the street. Today, as we speak, that's virtually all gone. My mom's, you know, little old lady living in her home on the street. We have care with her, of course.

But a migrant family directly to the one side of her, I think they have nine to maybe 11 people living in the home. across the street, it's difficult to say, but certainly close to a dozen people. And clearly, you know, six, seven, eight adults, multiple children, and they're running multiple businesses out of the home. And then on the other side there are, again, it's a multi-generational Mexican-American family, probably close to eight people and nine to ten vehicles in an American traditional mid-20th century single-family home. The three homes in front of my mom right across the street, and then on either side of her,

account close to 30, 35 people, and probably 20-plus vehicles. Now, I just have to tell you that, yes, this has, well, you speak like, okay, well, that's terrible. The neighborhood's gone to hell. Yeah, no, it has. It's gone to hell. it's wiped out her equity and true value of the property. But it really brings home like you don't, you feel like you're a stranger. I feel like I'm in Juarez.

My dad lived for a while in El Paso after my parents' divorce, and he took me into Juarez of the 70s, which you would never do now, of course. And no, there's, I mean, you've got people living in backyards. You have homes converted to, you know, SROs. It's a completely different world. And I think what the very powerful punch that that packs is how you wake up one day and the country that was your country is no longer. And it's so endemic and so deep. You have to really ask yourself what conditions would have to exist and what steps would have to be taken in order to recover what once was what we once had.

And what do you think would take then to, because it sounds to me, by the way, Mark Ray Kromer with me, his book, California Twilight, Essays and Memories of the End of the Golden State. Essentially, well, California, at least a major portion of California, has been part of Reconquista. Do you agree? This is what you're talking about. There are people within the illegal immigration community that openly talk about this about taking back the land. Absolutely. And I go, you know, the phrase around now is when somebody tells you who they are, believe them. My argument would have been, well, when they were telling us what their intentions were in the 1980s, it would have helped if we believe them. And that's the problem with the American left. And I should disclose that I was an active Democrat, you know, the old saying if you're under 30 and not a liberal, you don't have a heart.

if you're over 30 and not a conservative, you don't have a brain. And I probably fit in that mold. But I certainly recognized early on the ethno-nationalism that was rampant throughout the Chicano, the radical Chicano movement. And not just on campus. You know, it was out there. It was around. and the left and the Democrats, that's why ultimately left the Democratic Party

and re-registered declined to state. Let's say, the Democrats would poo-poo it. You know, like, no, they don't really mean it. They're speaking in metaphors. You know this. I mean, the National Council of La Rasa. The National Council of the Race. No, no, no.

It really means the National Council of the People. No, it means the National Council of the Race. For our race, everything, for those outside the race, nothing. These are the slogans. These are the marching chance that they moved under. And the Democratic Party played along and utilized it. Denied it when they felt it was they had to and accommodated it otherwise. And so reconquished stuff, if I can say that, absolutely played a large role and still does.

I think to the extent that it doesn't, it's the sense of its practitioners that it's a fait of complete. They want. They got it. I mean, why are they still talking? They don't need to talk about it anymore. So do you believe that, you know, you as a journalist having looked at this and observed the process then over the last 40 years, could California be reconquisted back, so to speak? In other words, reversed. Could that be reversed?

Speaking about this, like, as you know, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument saying it was last week regarding whether President Trump's executive fiat ending it is constitutional. And apparently, though, we should be looking at a ruling sometime in June. And thinking a lot about birthright citizenship and really where we're at with mass migration of the crisis we face in the United States today. It's important for your listeners to understand there are more foreigners present either legally or illegally in the United States today in country, in America today, than at any time since the American Revolution. There are more people in our country born on foreign shores here today than any other time in our history. And that has real ramifications. So what to do? When I think about birthright citizenship, I think that it's certainly,

alarming to hear this very glib response from Chief Justice John Roberts when the Solicitor General said, look, we have billions of people that are but a plane right away to the United States. The suggestion being clear, the implication is, so you're telling me they fly into O'Hare, they fly into JFK, they fly into LAX, they make landfall on a boat off of Santa Barbara, and pop a kid out, and instant citizens called the not really anchor babies they should be called jackpot babies because it's a jackpot that's what they've hit

and they know it and so when the Solicitor General says this what does Chief Justice Robert say well it's a whole new world out there same constitution okay no no yeah right right what I'm hearing is so we have a

suicide pact right we have a so which it's a living breathing document that changes with the times or it's the bedrock. But I'll tell you, at a certain point, I think here's what we, let's just get down to brass tax, you ask what might be done. Half measures, in my view, my estimation is half measures will no longer suffice whatsoever. And so I still think that there might be some deal to be brokered, for example,

birthright citizenship. It has to stop, completely wholly without question, a hard stop. But I think the thing to do at this stage is if you've got it, if you were granted it, you're in. That's usually what we do in a situation like this. And that's probably even how the Supreme Court would rule on something like this. It would be moving forward. Point being, though, is that most of the legal folks I've talked to are rather doubtful that the administration will prevail on this issue, which is in some ways terrifying.

Absolutely. I mean, there has to be a national reckoning on the issue of mass migration, and the Supreme Court can rule in favor of the administration, can rule against it. What they can't do is if Congress could get its act together, and the states got its act together, and held a constitutional convention and passed an amendment that clarified the matter, or Congress could also act legislatively. there are any number of ways to do this. So birthright citizenship, though, is just but one element of it. My advice, my solution is end it, grandfather, and whoever's in, and no moss. But really, we are on the Titanic with teacups in our hands getting ready to bail if we don't think that we're going to get out of this without mass deportation. And the band plays on, so to speak, on the Titanic, right?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Now, how call... I'm sorry, go ahead. Please. Yeah, you know, and I don't mean to be long-winded here. I'll make it. I'll sum it up. We have to have something on the order of 8 to 10,000 daily deportations. The American people voted for it in 24. They did. That was the pluvicite on the issue. And Donald Trump won by running on a campaign promise of mass deportation. It's very important to know. I've interviewed Tom Holman. They weren't, they didn't run on, we're going to deport all the criminals. We're going to deport the bad guys. The bad, the worst, they're the worst. No, they ran on mass deportation. But there does seem to be somewhat of a reversal of that as of late, wouldn't you agree? Absolutely. And that's a, that was a grave, grave miscalculation on the president's part, particularly, excuse me, particularly in Miami, in Minnesota. Minnesota set the stage. perfectly. He had every right and opportunity to declare a state of emergency, invoke the

Insurrection Act, and put 100,000 combat troops into that state, ready to rock and roll, if necessary. Give your enforcement agencies the breathing space and operational latitude they needed to enforce the law, enforce our sovereignty, and carry out what the American people voted for. and it was ready-made, certainly as much as Alabama and Arkansas ever were. And Trump, for whatever reason, chose not to. He declared victory. He did a very Trump thing. He surrendered and left and declared victory.

The victory, and the New York Times is crowing about it, the left realizes they won. It is their proof of concept. It is their return on investment. And you can expect to see that kind of civil disobedience, that kind of actual obstruction of justice on a mass scale replicated now around the country going forward. It was a 10 step. Mark Ray Kromer, the book California Twilight, Essays and Memories of the End of the Golden State. You mentioned in one of the articles in here how Washington State has particularly been californicated,

but what would you say about the state of Oregon in between? because usually when California catches the cold, you know, we get the sniffles here in Oregon. But what do you think about our state? And that's evident. The western seaboard of the United States is a pretty fascinating place. Very beautiful. Very lovely. They're still relics.

Physically beautiful, physically beautiful, but politically ugly, though, in my opinion. Yeah, and very, very bifurcated. You know, the rural areas of California are still very, often traditional and conservative areas, the metropolitan coastal plains are what they are, increasingly unaffordable and unlivable. The connection, it's been a while since I've been in Portland. I have friends up there. I mean, I hear all kinds of things.

Seattle and Los Angeles and San Francisco, like Portland, I think they're just really, petri dishes of progressive policy, what happens that there is no bottom, there is no end, there is no break. There's no policy could be possibly more catastrophic or bad enough that they stop it. And that's true with immigration, and it's true with so many other things, whether it's drug policy and their criminal, so-called criminal justice policies, all of which collided. As I say in California Twilight, immigration takes you into everything. You can't talk about education, the environment, the employment sectors, health care, elder care.

It's all connected. It's all – immigration is the linchpin connecting it all. Immigration runs through it entirely. I'm sure you're aware that we're hearing now that America, we have to increase our foreign doctors. We don't have enough doctors in that efforts to cut. back on foreign doctors will just be catastrophic for rural America. What does that say about the nation? I mean, really, that is the argument writ large now for the open border mass migration crowd, which is we can't survive as a nation without migrants. We have to have migrants. We're nothing

without migrants. And that's just crazy. And it's obviously it's not true, but that they stick to it, I think is very revealing as to what their actual intent is. And I think the intent that I'll just go ahead and make it less rhetorical. Their intent is to eliminate the mid-20th century high watermark of modern America, that shining moment, post-war moment, the Eisenhower era, the Kennedy era. Look what we did. Look between Truman, Ike, Jack. Even LBJ in the Great Society, where not for Vietnam, a lot of things to be very proud of all the way through Richard Nixon.

And they seek that erasure, the erasure of that society, of that civilization, and quite frankly, the people that populated it. And, you know, there were times when I was writing for Californians for population stabilization. There was a senior writing fellow for years up in Santa Barbara. And you had the feeling that you were kind of like the guy in the invasion of the body snatchers, you know, zipping around and saying, they're here. They're here. wake up. And, you know, I think America has a great tendency, great meaning its capacity, not its outcome, to delay and to sort of dither. And, well, it's not that bad.

Oh, yeah, it is. I will say about California and Oregon. So, Oregon, you guys weren't dealing with migraine. Everything in California is amplified because of our population size. size and of course our proximity to the Mexican border. A lot of the country, when California was calling out for help, Diane Feinstein used to be somewhat of a hardliner on immigration. Boxer was Barbara Boxer. The rest of the country just didn't really pay attention.

It didn't resonate with them. And I think it's important to note that the GOP voted their way. they cannot win a statewide office in California today. That is the fate of the GOP. And a state that produced two presidents in this last century, Reagan and Nixon, they cannot win a single statewide office. And we're on that path, essentially.

Yeah. I think that watch the margins in Texas. Watch Virginia, I think, we can agree, is gone. And that's all my gris. All north, northern Virginia migration. A lot of Asian, Indian, the suburbs up there. It's, it may flip a couple more times, but by and large, it's gone. Remember, we, I think, came out of the era when the Republicans put, California was more often than not in the Republican column. New Jersey, New York was in play. All those states are gone. The Republicans have been able to, stay in the game by reversing the trend of the blue wall, by breaking down the blue wall. But with Virginia gone, look at Arizona, look at Colorado, Utah, Ruby Red Utah, watch the margins up there. But when Texas, which it may not happen before 20-30.

Texas is already going wobbly. We know that. Yeah. Okay. And when it's gone, so is the GOP is a viable national enterprise. All right. And it's well worth reading, California Twilight, essays and memories of the end of the Golden State, how we got here. Mark Ray Kromer is the author, and it's C-R-O-M-E-R. And the publisher, by the way, is Wild Blue Press.com. But you can get this on Amazon and all the usual suspects, isn't that right, Mark? Just want to make sure people can find him. Amazon and all the online retailers, Barnes & Noble, Books a Million, so forth.

I appreciate your sober look at the situation and unwillingness to pull any punches on this because, I don't know. Well, if you like my sober look, then we'll have to go out and have a drink sometime, and let me entertain you with my less than sober. Okay, you come up here. We'll talk. All right. There's a lot of you. All right. Mark Ray Kromer, appreciate the time.

Thank you very much. Thanks so much, Phil. Love being on. All right. I enjoyed having them on, too. Wow, California Twilight, essays and memories of the end of the Golden State. And like I said, by an eyewitness of it. This is the Bill Meyers show.

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Hello, Matt. Matt, how are you doing this morning? Quick take here on the conversation with Mark Kromer. What's up? Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I had a flashback. When he was talking about his mom's neighborhood and the changes that he saw over the years, my grandparents lived in San Demas in this little house built in the 20s.

You might have called it a bungalow, but it was tiny. Looking back on it, I don't think it was bigger than 1,200 square foot. And I remember as a kid, we used to go there. We were never allowed to go on the front yard. Absolutely forbidden. And there were fences on the sides of the house so we couldn't go up there. And then over the years, I noticed the neighbors, nobody spoke any English. Nobody.

They were the only ones in that little street there that spoke English at all. And I noticed I'd start to see cars parked in people's front lawn. And I remember asking my grandpa, and I said, grandpa, I said, why do those people park their cars on their front lawn? That was the flashback. When he was talking about that, all the people living in these houses. Yeah, the change in the culture, the change in the culture, the change in the social standards, too. It's a real thing. My mom's family originally lived in Compton.

and which it was a good neighborhood back then. We're talking about, you know, World War II era. And she talked about the changes over time that happened there. And it's, you know, part of it's the illegal immigration, I sent you in email, which I don't know if you saw it yet. Yeah, I haven't yet. I was just basically pointing out that, you know, the college indoctrination in California was a big part. And a lot of East Coasters moving out to California. It's sad to see it.

I actually would love to talk to Mark off the air and just reminisce a little bit about what he's thought. I don't know how old it is. Well, I'll tell you what, he's about my IG. I think he's about our age, really. I'll tell you what, I'll give his number here. I'll do that a little later, okay? I'll get in touch with you. All right.

All right, Bill. All right. A good one. Yep. I think we can talk more about that on tomorrow show for sure. It is 845 at KMED. This hour of the Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services, visit Fontana Roofing,

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And first off, we're going to talk with the head networker. to be Lisa McLeese-Kelly, Networking Action. How are you doing, Lisa? Good morning. Yeah, good to have you back here. So, hey, for those that don't know, I'm always going to say the same thing. What is Network and Action? Why is it important? Then we'll talk with a couple of the people you brought in today. So Network and Action is a different kind of networking. I call us a Mastermind Networking Group. We have one person per professional classification. However, we only meet once a month. And our goal is to create deep relationships and grow them as people, business owners, and then of course grow their business.

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I'm doing great. So you're with Pacific Bible College. What do you do there? With Pacific Bible College, I built out their bachelor's science teacher preparation program. So it's a Christian-based teacher prep. So it prepares you to be in the classroom. Yeah. And I think what's really great about this is that you're looking for rigor, right?

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Oregon is unique in some ways on how they do homeschooling. There's different options. There's so many different ways you can educate your children now compared to what there was in the 90s. And you help them do this. And it's about helping them find what is the right fit. If it's a charter school, it's a private school, if it's a private school, if it's a micro school or if they want to do it all on their own. If they're doing it all on their own as a

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thank you so much. Great seeing you here as part of Network and Action. And the other person which Lisa brought by is Pratie Patel. Yes. How are you doing? Welcome. And what business do you own? We have a family-owned hotel, which is on the Highway 99, right in the south downtown Medford. Yeah. And that's a roadway in? Yes, it is a roadway in in Medford, and it's a franchisee of the Choice International Hotels. Okay. What could you tell us about this that it kind of stands out in your mind? You know, you have a family-owned motel that's wonderful.

And you have to be incredibly proud of this. It's hard, hard work running this kind of stuff. Yes, it is hard work. And it is a family-owned, like I said. And, yes, it's me and my husband who is like all-time work over there. Because we are like, we have all the hands in us. Notice that Patea's here. Husband's probably there, you know, working his butt off right now.

He is looking out at the hotel so I can be over here. The what stands out is like our hotel is a one-story building, like just the U-Ship Hotel and all rooms are on the first floor. We have a parking well-lit under the canopy parking, like right in front of the room. So it's like easy access to your rooms, like no carrying the bags and all that. Oh, that's great. Now, this is exit 27 is where this is, right? Yes.

Right by the... Exit 27, yes. All right. What is it about network in action that has helped you in this, like I said, there is nobody that is not working hard in a motel or hotel industry, right? How does it help you being in network? Being in network in action, actually it has helped me a lot, like building my confidence and it's rewarding to me.

And like it has built my personal confidence and also in my business too and build a great relationships and just be like out in the community and knowing the people. Do you feel is it an easier time now kind of tangling it up with a group of people that you're not feeling quite so self-conscious, maybe? Yes. Yes, yes. I was so much uncons. Like, you know, when I was like two years back when I started it,

I was not even able to stand in front of anyone and talk. And here you are. Look at you now. Yeah. So, yes, definitely it has helped me a lot. And, yes, build a great relationships with the other businesses. Well, we'll certainly put your information up there for the roadway again. Thanks so much for being on here this morning.

I'm open for business and all the best. Exit 27 is where this is. We'll put this up on KMED.com. And Lisa, we appreciate you as always. And the point is, like with Pritney and with once again, Cecile, Cecile is that, in my hell, if I turn your microphone on, there we go, is that in a network and action group, you have no competition. If you're a hotelier, an example, or an innkeeper, that kind of thing.

You're the only one in this group. If you're someone working in the educational world, there's only one. And what is the purpose of that? Why do you do it that way? Because we want them to be able to. share and be completely vulnerable and you can't do that if your competitions in the room. That makes sense. So if you're having problems.

Yeah, giving away your secrets. Yeah, we want you to be able to get the help from your peers that you need. All right, very good. Again, so-networking.com. S-O-networking.com. Have any openings? Besides the massage therapist? We do.

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