Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 04-18-25_FRIDAY_6AM

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

04-18-25_FRIDAY_6AM

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling dot com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning. It's Find Your Phone Friday. And if you can find yours, go ahead and call me. Love to talk with you. Seven seven oh five six three three seven seven zero K.M.E.D. The email bill at Bill Meyer ShowersShow.com heard all over Southern Oregon.

106.3 KMED in Jackson County, 106.7 for South Jackson County, 105.9 for the northern part of Jackson County and also the City of Grants Pass and 99.3 KBXG covers Greater Josephine County all the way out to the tunnels. I appreciate you listening wherever you happen to be and also streamed on KMED.com. It's Good Friday and hopefully not just from the faith and spiritual side of things I hope it is a Good Friday for you and other ways. My Good Friday is starting off a little bit on the downside because I left my coffee, my Peruvian coffee, at home. Yes, the Peruvian coffee that I have several bags in my pantry.

And I imagine next time I buy them, instead of being $15 a bag, it'll probably be $30 or $ dollars with foreign tariffing. I would imagine I guess we're gonna make maybe we'll make American coffee great. Do we grow American coffee? I know other than in maybe Hawaii places like that? I don't know I don't know but there we go. So I have station coffee that the boss makes and instead of my normal thermos mug, it is a spare, unused, tonight show with Jimmy Fallon coffee cup. It's okay, but it's not as good as my home coffee.

So hopefully I will not succumb to, I don't have my coffee grumpiness kind of thing going on. I was reading a piece the other day, and this morning, actually it was early this morning, not the other day, but one of my favorite financial bloggers, and like I've told you before, I like to read a lot of financial bloggers because bloggers in the financial world, they can't just theorize they have to be right because they're asking for people to trust them with their money, you know, to make financial decisions. And so you have to be right more often than you're

wrong. And quite often other people, you know, you can opine on stuff and if you're wrong, that's just the way it is. You know, things are too sad. But anyway, oh, by the way, there is someone trying to call the station right now and I'm happy to take your call. You have to turn on your caller ID. If you don't have caller ID on, it doesn't go through. I just wanted to make that note. Yep, they keep calling back and calling back and calling back. But yeah, unless you have caller ID, your call will not get through. This is about keeping down the trolls.

Yes, even on Good Friday. Okay? Anyway, back to the financial bloggers like I was talking to you about. I was reading Sean Ring in Rude Awakening. And the thing about, once again, being a financial blogger, is that you have to be right more often than you're wrong. And so I tend to look at these people with a little more trust than standard opinion makers out there.

I look at this. I watch this. And he had a piece today. He's an expatriate American, or expat. He's living in Italy with his family now. And he had to do some changes with his life to make this happen. So he's exposed a lot to the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church in Italy, of course. But he was talking about the order of love, the order of love, and why nations must prioritize their own.

And I wanted to share with you a little bit of his thinking about this. And it wasn't his thoughts necessarily, but he reminded me, and it was good to be reminded on Good Friday, that the great Catholic philosophers, Augustine Aquinas and later Dietrich von Hildebrand, developed the concept known as Ordo Amoris, the order of love, and at its core, is the hierarchy of affections that properly structures our lives. In Augustine's City of God, he tells us that disorder in love, loving lesser things above greater things, leads to ruin. In another writing, Aquinas refines the idea of distinguishing between our obligations to those closest to us versus distant strangers. It's not some abstract exercise. According to the Catholic philosophy, the Ordo Amoris order of love is the proper hierarchy

of love that guides human relationships and moral obligations. Augustine's hierarchy of love can be summarized this way. 1. God above all. Totally agree. 2. The self, properly ordered. So you love yourself rightly, seeking salvation and holiness rather than selfish pleasure. Number three, in the order of love, family and kin. Natural obligations to parents, spouses, and children take precedence over others. Community and nation. That's number four. A just love of one's people and homeland follows from natural bonds.

And then finally, number five, strangers and humanity at large. Strangers and humanity at large. Aquinas also refined Ordo Amoris by articulating that love should be given according to moral proximity. He applies this justice to justice rather, and government, explaining that natural law dictates a preference for those closest to us. We owe a special care to our families because they are an extension of ourselves. The common good of a nation is more relevant than abstract global concerns.

Charity is universal, but obligations are graded, meaning the duty to kin and community is stronger than to distant strangers. I can't disagree with anything that's been said so far, and I imagine you would feel much the same way. The order of priorities. And then you think about our lives these days, especially with our governments, both local, state, and federal, who have had a distorted view on the order of priority, on who actually gets priority.

And Sean Raine continues, it's an excellent piece on rudeawakening.com. I'd highly suggest you look it up. But it's Vaughn Hildebrand he goes to next, and the modern disorder of love, and this is where the state of Oregon, our local governments in many cases, and the federal government have a disorder of love, so to speak. At least I think so. They don't actually say this, but this is what I'm thinking here this morning. And Dietrich von Hildebrand, 20th century Catholic philosopher, expanded on Ordo Amoris

warning against sentimentality that distorts true love. He saw the modern world's moral failures, such as prioritizing political correctness over truth, or universalist ideologies over local obligations as symptoms of a disordered ordo amoris. So in order to restore the proper order of love locally, countywide, statewide, nationally too, for that matter, putting God first, moral order flows from divine truth. That's a tough sell in today's United States in many cases, isn't it? Prioritize family and community. Nations and families are not arbitrary constructs but natural hierarchies of love.

Number three. Exercise prudent charity. Helping others should not come at the expense of justice or the destruction of one's people boy that's a big one isn't it and reject false universalism love for all does not mean an equal obligation to all now think about these orders you know how you actually restore the proper order we could call it just common sense but you know when you talk about the proper order of love. What do you think about the proper order of love when you read stories such as the Democratic

Senator Van Hollen going to the extensive meeting in shaking hands with a brego Garcia actually went met him yesterday that in the illegal alien criminal alleged criminal and gang member that was a priority that was a priority of love for the Democratic senator who's supposed to be representing Maryland, his local community, the constituents who elected him. What does that say about the Democratic Senator Van Hollen? Because to me, it illustrates everything that is wrong about this country, everything that is wrong about this country. Everything that is wrong about our state government.

Our priorities are given to the invaders. Our priorities and gifts are given to the invaders, the people who are not following the rules in the first place. We are loving them first before our own people. Even look at how the courts are ordering us to love out of state or out of area homeless people who just show up in our communities and we're supposed to love them first over loving and protecting our own people, the people in our families, the people who are directly related to our family.

Isn't that interesting what happens when you have a system which prioritizes a modern disorder of love, rather than a properly oriented order of love I Thought it was an interest interesting piece, but I'm looking like I said Sean rings a piece on daily reckoning I Enrighted, but like I said I just thought it had such great thinking in there and it just Reminded me of what we're looking at these universal truths that have been distorted and in just completely trashed by truths that have been distorted and just completely trashed by the ruling order here in the United States of America. President Trump of course is trying to affect some of that.

We all try to affect us with the people that we elect into power, but sometimes even in our own lives. Don't let sentimentality change your order of love. You must put your own family in your own communities first. We must. And yet everything that has been coming out of Salem practically, everything coming out of the state of Oregon has been about distorting this in which the invaders and people who have no business having been here in the first place are

supposed to be given protection and and and first priority first priority at the public trough in many cases and in your local cities, you're supposed to you know people who are Not conducting their lives. Well in some cases May not necessarily be deserving of charity. Well, there's going to be forced charity of something like this. Now I don't mind voluntary charity, that's no problem at all, I think that's absolutely wonderful, but a properly ordered society allows society to prioritize charity and also demand accountability for this charity. It's like, yeah, I know you're having a rough, rough time,

but I'm just not going to give you more money so you can sit there and inject yourself with fentanyl and die in the gutter, right? You know, that sort of thing, right? And then we say, oh, force people into treatment. That would be, you know, that's against their rights. The disorder of love, the modern disorder of love, right? I'm going to have to keep reminding myself of this when I see this stuff come up. The modern disorder of love.

What do you think about that? 770-563-3770-KMED. This is the Bill Meyer Show. When it's time for a new roomot company, it's another insurer. It's not available in all states. Hi, I'm Steve Potter, Body Shop Manager at With Ya, Body and Paint, and I'm on 106.7 KMED. Jerry's on the road.

Jerry, good to hear from you this morning. I was talking about the Order of Love that Sean Ring was writing about in Root Awakening. I thought it was pretty interesting. What are you thinking? Well, you know, Bill, I just thought of another title. And it's called Lying Love. You said Lying Love, right? Lying as in an untruth. Oh, okay. Yeah. In other words, so much of the love that we are supposedly expressing

right now in our society is a lying kind of love. Is that right? Well, yeah. Here's an example of what I mean by that. You know, immigration, for example, that's just a failure of Congress to do their job. But yet, so what can we say? Does Congress love America? Well, I don't think so, just based upon the border alone. And the fact that we've allowed this to go on for 40 plus years. So you, as many in Congress, like Chris Van Holland as an example, that Senator loved people have died, Bill. The people that our politicians claim to love, some of their constituents have actually died from illegal immigration

or because of an illegal immigrant. I know a person personally whose son was killed by an illegal immigrant who didn't have a driver's license. Never should have been here in the first place, and it's once again indicative. In other words, it's indicative of the lying love. So even many of our elected leaders are pushing this lying love concept and forcing to love those who are not the priority. And you know, a nation is going to have to prioritize its own or else really it's going to cease to exist here wouldn't you think? Yes, I totally agree. Well Bill, we just, you know, it's a battle of the mind. These lion lovers want, especially conservative people, to accept their mentality.

To accept the lie, to live the lie. Jerry, thank you very much for having pulled over and talked with me about that, okay? Appreciate your call. Let me go to Francine. Francine, good morning, Francine. Welcome. Good morning, Bill. So I've been trying to understand if this guy, Garcia, is really so innocent. Why is El Salvador refusing to send him back or let us come get him? I mean, there's a reason they're holding him, not just to be contrary. I don't understand. I started this morning, I started reading the Time magazine article about it to see

what it said. And it's like, oh, this poor guy, and that and nothing was you know really proven. Yes the great dad from Maryland who's up on domestic violence too right? Right but what I'm trying to find why they're keeping him there and I can't find anything stating the facts about you know we are keeping him because. Well I believe that there was a deal cut by the Trump administration to take these people with and El Salvador is a deal cut by the Trump administration to take these people with them, and El Salvador is happy to partner with the Trump administration. I believe that's what's going on.

I'd have to double check that, but I seem to recall there was a deal cut to make this happen. But he's in prison. He's been held in a prison. Yeah. Well, he is an El Salvador citizen. Right. So what I'm trying to ascertain here, which

I have not been able to find, why would they put him in prison when he gets sent back to El Salvador even though they if they made this deal with the Trump administration and instead of just putting people sending people back to their families or whatever. Why is he in prison? What is it he did in El Salvador that they're not letting him out of prison? And I can't find that. Well, the story that I'm seeing... it's difficult to get to the full truth of this, I think, but maybe another piece of this is that he was originally... originally the courts were saying, well, we shouldn't send him back to El Salvador because of other MS-13 gangs that

would be willing to kill him. Because apparently. So I would just presume then that there were other crimes that he had committed while he was back in El Salvador that other gangs were upset about, and so they were, in other words, he was going to be on their hit list, that kind of thing. Right, yeah. I mean, it's like, and I wouldn't really care, but it's become such a huge deal. It's actually quite simple. It actually is really quite a simple thing though when it comes right down to it. The priority of love. And Garcia should be extremely low in a proper body politic on the order of love because, A, he is part of strangers in humanity at large.

That is bottom of the barrel of the order of love. I'll tell you something about the order of love. The people that are preaching this about this illegal alien, they are the people who push man-boy love. And who, you know, these are the people who push men boy love. Oh yeah, because those particular men just happen to love boys. No, they really love boys. You know, that kind of...

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Let me go to Tom. Hello, Tom. How are you doing? We were talking about the order of love the priorities and the orders of love

Are you doing and I thought that was a great piece? Bill definitely and yeah, we were we're pretty ill as a society but I wanted to talk about and I've said this before but You you brought up charity. So I'd like to talk about disordered charity and Well, that's government service. That's disordered charity, isn't it? Yes, and my point is, since this is Good Friday, both Jesus and Karl Marx told everybody to share the wealth. But the big difference between Jesus and Karl Marx is Jesus said,

do it voluntarily, and Karl Marx wanted the government, wants the government gun in our ribs to share the wealth. And when you have the government gun in your rib to share your wealth, you are removed then from the benefits of actually having provided charity to people who truly deserve it because government not only distorts who gets it but also how they get it.

That's right. And I think it's a very deep disease within our whole society. And I think, you know, it even, look at even school education, that's not voluntary. You have to have, you have to go along with the whole government thing in order to get your kids educated and so forth. And going along with the government thing, Tom, will make sure that your kids are not educated, really. And I appreciate your call.

Thank you so much. I always appreciate your thoughtfulness and I'm happy to thank you for that before I will do so again. Okay? Okay Bill, carry on. All right, thank you Tom. Let me grab one more call. We'll have some more open phone time a little bit later here. I've got news and a guest I will be talking to here coming up. Hi, good morning. Who's this? You've been holding for a little bit. Hi Bill, this is Vicki from the Apple gate. Hi Vicki, take it away. So how about this title, loving you to death but really loving you at your expense? That's an interesting way of putting it. That's the modern distorted government form of love, right?

Loving you to death at your expense. Exactly. I mean as a kid when somebody, oh, I love you to death, I mean, that was actually a loving thing. Not anymore for a lot of situations. I mean, it's really at their expense. I mean, it's so cut and dry. I appreciate your call as always, Vicki. Thank you so much. Take care. Okay. Have a great day. 635 this is KMED 993 KBXG. Well the government people are not loving the president right about now especially government workers. I'm going to talk with a labor and union expert about it. They are lawyering up big time to

you know fight for the status quo in Washington DC and all the other federal agencies wherever they happen to be. We'll talk about that here in just a moment with Greg Morad. For over four decades, Dusty's Transmissions has been your trusted source for room off Biddle Road in Metford. NoWiresNow.com. Restrictions apply. Call for details. Internet and cell phone service not provided by DISH.

News Talk 1063, KMED. You're waking up with the Bill Maier show Got a bunch of unions organizing in DC The Legal Defense Network against Trump amazing stuff going on I guess you know you can understand when you've been on the gravy train for a long time You're probably going to just hire the lawyers But it's time to to fight back there keep the status quo going Greg Maragh joins me He is the vice president at national right toad joins me. He is the Vice President of the National Right to Work. By the way, Greg, what is National Right to Work all about? I know we have a right to work, but the right to work is actually a legal definition of sorts.

Could you help us out with that? Yeah, absolutely, Bill. Right to Work is the idea that a union should not be able to prevent you from having a job just because you don't like them and don't want to pay their dues. And so, our right to work law says you can't be forced to pay union dues just to get or keep a job. Okay, very good. Tell us a little bit about how the unions have, well I guess this is the empire strikes back against Doge. What's going on here? All of these pro bono attorneys are lining up there with the unions. What's going on? Well, you know, there's nothing particularly new about the unions being the primary agent opposing change and reform at the government level. We've all seen that with the teachers unions being the primary problem with trying to reform our schools,

and indeed often the primary driver of some of the filth that's been plag reform our schools, and indeed, often the primary driver of some of the filth that's been plaguing our schools. And so to see the unions of government employees opposing every other reform that Donald Trump wants to put together is sadly not a surprise. And so, yes, they're organizing teams of lawyers ready to go in there and try to fight for the job of every single bureaucrat that is let go, whether they need to be let go or not. And you know, Bill, the truly appalling thing about it is that this entrenched bureaucracy, certainly in the four years of the first Trump administration, proved absolutely that they

were not there to do and facilitate the will of the executive branch, which was their job, but rather to impede it when they didn't like it. And so if those people are being let go, well, like I said, it's no surprise that the union wants to keep them there. After all, the thing that they're there to do is protect union power. The question is though, has President Trump gone about this properly in your opinion as far as the, is it the administrative procedure, the Administrative Procedures Act or whether it is that has all of the the labor laws that are involved that say how you actually go about ending a federal job and then firing a federal worker or furloughing or laying them off

According to your analysis. Do you think all the eyes have been dotted and t's crossed and maybe that's the challenge that President Trump Is working through right now. No, no Well, I think President Trump's legal theory and it's one I would certainly agree with is that any law Congress passes telling the executive How to run his department is a violation of the constitutional separation of powers. Oh! Okay. He's going to run his agencies and his departments the way he needs to and if there's people there that are in the way he is perfectly justified in getting rid of them. That Congress does not really have the opportunity or the legal authority then to control the hiring and firing of federally-administrated work then. That's it. That's correct.

I mean, Congress controls the purse, and so Congress can fund a project or an agency or a department or choose not to. But in terms of how it's run, personnel-wise and other things, that's a matter for the chief executive. It's the executive branch. Does that also extend to the chief executive saying, I know that Congress appropriated this money, but I am choosing not to spend this money for this particular reason as

the executive of the administration. What do you think? Yeah, well that's probably a question for a better constitutional scholar than I am, but it seems reasonable to me. The Congress can say, yes, we authorize the spending of this money, and the executive can say, yeah, but I don't want it. Okay. All right. And this is the tension where we find ourselves right now, right, Greg? That's exactly right. This is what it's all about. All right. What is the status of these? Has anything actually

moved legally from all of these public employee unions in DC and beyond? I mean, not really yet. They filed a bunch of lawsuits there. There was at least one judge tried to issue a restraining order and at the appellate level that was vacated. So as of right now, Trump is free to dismiss most of these people that he thinks need to be dismissed. That said, all these things work their way through the courts and the real threat of this new union

operation is that they want to equip every single federal employee to file a separate lawsuit just to bog down the system and cause as much chaos as possible. Oh boy, talk about death by a million cuts, right? Yeah. That's kind of like the same people that want to keep every illegal alien here by saying that everyone, all 20 million or 30 million, they need a trial and a hearing. That's going to essentially say that everybody gets to stay then, right? For the same reason. That's what they're trying to do with workers. It's a very similar process. Yes, exactly. Bog down the courts and ideally issue a restraining order based simply on the fact that there's

all these thousands of cases and therefore we can't just act quickly. I know just recently, Greg, that the Supreme Court has agreed to take the case and tried to determine what the limits of the federal court powers are, in which we have a judge that says that they're in an inferior court and they're saying, for the entire nation, nobody can be fired, or for the entire nation, this person needs to be sent back to the United States. So that's probably going to be a key part of where this agenda goes, wouldn't you think? Yeah, I think it is.

I think what the Supreme Court does with these next few cases that come before it are going to set the tone in a pretty significant way. And you know, Bill, President Trump tried doing it the slow and careful way in his first term in office. And the swamp reacted in exactly the same way they're doing now with full hostility. They came after him with everything they got, and the scalpel process was just too slow. So this time he decided to come in there with a sledgehammer instead to see how much of the swamp he could actually take apart because the amount of bituporation they could throw at him can't get any higher than it was already anyway and indeed

that's what we've seen. They really can't do any more to him than they did the first time but he's being a lot more effective because he's coming out there and moving a lot faster. So at this point, you're gonna have to play it like the Klingon with the big battle axe sword, right? You know, just kinda... I know it's just, you just have to kind of slay the monster where it stands, I suppose.

As a matter of principle, I have no problem with people that are collectively organizing. I think, unfortunately, I think these days unions have been a great place where bad workers can go to hide and good workers don't get paid as much. That's kind of my opinion of most union work. But be that as it may, are we looking at government employees being really the only place where union employees, union representation is growing? Is that the only place? Pretty much it is, yes. They're shrinking in the private sector. They're down under 6% of the private sector

workforce now, but they are growing as a matter of the government sector because well it's really hard to drive the government sector because, well, it's really hard to drive the government out of business by being unreasonable. Union bosses know that, so they move in and it's more than that. They end up becoming, whenever they have bargaining power with the government, they become the most powerful force in state politics. They elect their own bosses and then they're sitting on both sides of the bargaining table, the nominal bargaining table, the nominal bargaining

table just leasing the taxpayers. Yeah, that's the problem we have here in the state of Oregon and it is a Democrat Union controlled state for that reason because it's just essentially a legalized money laundering operation from the union donations to the politicians, unfortunately. It's just the way that works. Do you think anything's going to be done to maybe......$50 back to the union. Oh, is just the way that works. Do you think anything is going to be done to maybe... Oh, I'm sorry. Do you think there's anything that is going to be done to nip that?

Because there was a reason why FDR, back in the day during the Great Depression, said there should be no such thing as government employee unions because of the very corruption that you've just been mentioning here. No, that's exactly right. And there are efforts in a variety of places to try to curtail that. For state employees and municipal employees, it's a state-by-state issue. There is no controlling federal law, and we certainly want to see it stay that way. There are bills put in by the union boss puppets every year at the federal level to federalize all of that that state and local employees public employment

so far we've beaten all of those back but so it's a state-by-state issue to control it at the state level in terms of uh... fixing these things. Utah just passed a bill to uh... to do away with their public sector monopoly bargaining and look i have no problem if public employees want to join a union, they want to pay dues to that union, they want that union to lobby on their behalf. That's all well and good and constitutionally protected association. But when that union has the power to write a binding

contract with the government, that's giving it more power than any other citizen or voice over the public person. That's just wrong. Agreed wholeheartedly. And when we look at Oregon schools as an example, and arguably the Oregon Education Association, the teachers union here, is the most powerful union that we have. And we look at schools that are ranking in the mid-forties, sometimes the lower forties of the 50 states, you know, that kind of thing. And they are so powerful. I've always been thinking that Greg, if they really wanted to reform schools, if you really wanted to get student achievement up, the teachers unions could

accomplish this given their ability to force so many issues here out of the state. And yet that hasn't happened so far. I wonder why. Well it goes back to what a former boss of the teachers union, one of Randy Weingarten's predecessors, four or five bosses back said, he quoted in public saying, when students start paying union dues I'll start caring about students. Oh okay, well maybe what we should start doing is raising money for scholarships to get all the students then enrolled in the teachers union. Maybe we'll get some progress then. What do you think? Well, I think enriching the teachers union is not high on my agenda.

Yeah, I know. That's the downside of it. Upside, okay. Well, maybe they would care about the students at that point. Downside then, they're even more powerful. All right. Any other legal challenges to right to work or anything that is moving positively you wanted to share with us? And then tell us where we can go to find out more about you over there. Sure, yeah. We're pushing for new state right to work laws right now in New Hampshire, in Montana, as well as New Mexico and a few other places. We are playing defense in Virginia right now. We've got a divided government in Virginia, but if the Democrats take over the state in this

year's elections, they've made it pretty clear that gutting right to work is fairly high on their agenda, so we're at work there as well. In terms of how to find out more about us and what we're doing, there's two websites, www.nrtw.org, that's the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, and www.nrtwc.org, the National Right to Work Committee that does the lobbying work. I've actually heard from some local unionized workers in the healthcare world that have approached your organization to help them decertify. And I know you can't necessarily talk about, you know,

who they are and what they're all about and stuff, but, hey, best of luck on that for the people that are saying, hey, we want out of it. I think it's interesting. Thank you, yes. Those folks definitely need help getting decertified is an immensely complicated process and much of the time, especially at the National Labor Relations Board, the bureaucracy is stacked against them. Greg Morad, who is the vice president at National Right to Work. Thanks so much for having stepped in this morning. Great to talk with you. Be well, Greg. Yeah, pleasure to be with you, Bill. Thank you. 947-770-563-3770KMED is the number to join

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