Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 04-18-25_FRIDAY_7AM

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

04-18-25_FRIDAY_7AM

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling.com. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Now Bill wants to hear from you. 541-770-5633. That's 770 KMED. The sound of a Hammond B3, one of my favorites.

Now it used to be that the early software versions... I mean, Hammond B3s are absolutely fabulous instruments, but of course they weigh about 400 pounds, have lots of tubes in them, sometimes difficult to maintain, but there's nothing like the original. But I have to tell you, the synthesizedized software organs I have a number of them they've come a long way now so I can actually you know play Hammond organ at home and it's not exactly the same but it's not so bad and you don't need to make space for a 400 pound behemoth along with the 300 pound Leslie speaker but boy it's nice if you can have both of them, right?

I know Scott out in Jacksonville, a friend of mine out there, he has a great Hammond setup. Man, there's just nothing better, but still, I only have a little room for that. All right, 7705633 to join in. This is an interesting story here. Ashlyn Mann indicted on several charges. You heard Bill talk about it in the news a little bit ago. Bill London. Yesterday, the Jackson County grand jury indicted 34-year-old James David Lee Herget, a 34-year-old Ashland resident. Is that like a Maryland resident? A Maryland man? Anyway,

on the following charges, first degree kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, coercion with a firearm, unlawful use of a weapon, menacing domestic violence, attempted assault, second degree harassment, third degree sex abuse, and first degree sex abuse. So this guy was a one, well, he's accused of being a one-man dirt bag crime spree in Ashland. These indictments stemmed from a couple of incidents. April 12th. So in other words, last Saturday, just before 11 o'clock in the morning, Herget was reported to have vandalized property in the downtown area. Then he was fleeing from that vandalism. Then he confronted and assaulted a bunch of people.

He left and ran away upon police officers arriving from Ashland. And then officers attempted to contact Herget. He fled on foot. While doing so, he tried to gain entry into another house, leading to yet another assault against the occupant of that house. And then when officers contacted Hurkett again, he assaulted two police officers before being subdued with a taser. Yep, the only thing that stopped the one-man crime spree was yeah that's the one however here's the story that makes my eyes glaze over and you ever watch those hitler meme or hitler memes or the hitler movie video in which people tend take it and put their own stuff into it. When Hitler, you know, he's listening to things going bad.

This is a once some Hitler movie, right? And they make this movie about it. Everybody watches him on YouTube. And then people put their own words to it, right? To the German as he as he goes off on a tirade and he's his hands start shaking and then he takes off his his, and then he starts yelling at all the Nazis. Well, I feel like him when I see what happened in the lead-up to this alleged dirtbag being

arrested. A previous incident—see, this is the part that makes this one-man crime spree a little more than irritating, right? And I'm shaking my hands here. A previous incident here was reported to the Ashland Police Department April 8th of 2025, so four days prior, in which the same alleged dirtbag Herget is alleged to have held a man captive for two days while assaulting him and menacing him with firearms. Officers were unable to act on this complaint immediately due to concerns that forcing contact

with the suspect would unnecessarily endanger the neighboring community given the known presence of multiple firearms. The sex abuse charges stem from that April 8th incident. So they were afraid to confront him April 8th and then more mayhem ensued three four days later because you were concerned about about the safety of the community the safety of the community was threatened because Ashland police appeared to have been ordered to not do anything I'm not thinking this is something that came from the officers I can't help but think that this is something that the chief did. I'm sorry, I

don't know how else to describe this. This is reminding me of years ago when they had a deer problem in Ashland, remember, and they had the deer summit and they had the mayor of Ashland and someone's writing to the mayor in Ashland and said, shoot the deer you to the mayor and ashland and uh... and said shoot the dairy a damp and see i think you stronger words than that you know i remember a better time in which you have police officers roll up and if the guy had firearms that there was a danger to the community you

evacuate around the community and you shoot the bastard in the head when you get the chance. Because obviously this was someone who deserved to get a, you know, a bullet someplace given the mayhem and the injuries and the danger to the community that he reportedly posed. Now, I wasn't there. I get it. I'm not the police officer. I understand there may be rules. I get it. But something's really wrong here on this one. And if I were an Ashland resident, I would be calling up the police chief and saying, hey, I'd like a refund on my police chief fees or my police officer fees. I have a feeling that the decision to not do anything

when there was the opportunity to do something with him at that time, most likely came from higher ups within the Ashland police. I may be wrong about that. Maybe it's just officer discretion. But I cannot imagine officers seeing a guy who once again kidnapped a guy, kept him there, whacked him around for two days, and then causes all sorts of other mayhem. You know, this is, um,

once again kind of going down to that order of love thing that I was talking about. What is the... No, no, maybe Ashland... maybe it was in such a weird area that they couldn't have done anything. The guy supposedly had a lot of fire, and they did get a lot of firearms from this alleged loser. So they got a search warrant on Iowa Street and they see several firearms and yet I but yet four days he ran around potentially causing problems.

And Ashlyn you pay lots of taxes. Apparently you don't love your people that much. Because we were more concerned about preserving the life and limb of alleged dirtbag. Alright. Like I said, that's my little mini, just like on YouTube, you know, I take off my glasses and... What are you doing? All right. Hi, good morning, KMED. This is Bill. Who's this? Good morning, Bill.

It's Super Dave off in Iona, Idaho. Dave, how are you doing in Idaho? Good to hear from you. Not too bad. Hey, I got a friend I've developed for Trump and his Method since he has been reelected. I call it political blitzkrieg it's lightning war in a political sense he's throwing bombs everywhere and Because he knows he's got a very limited time to get things done. My concern though is that

Sometimes the political blitzkrieg though can be reversed very quickly through other means. And I think it's important to dot eyes cross Ts while you're doing it though. I can get behind that too. So I had another thing here and it kind of goes with that. Yesterday I stopped in my local Dairy Queen and I got a nice s'mores blizzard as it was snowing out here and it gave me back my change and it had two pennies in it. One was a new penny, bright and shiny copper look. The other one was a roadkill penny and all that

copper had pretty much been scraped off the thing. And it reminded me of Rome. When Rome first started, it was a rich country. Coins were all gold. And after 250 years, as they were going down the toilet, all those coins were just barely covered with gold. And that penny is the perfect reminder of where we are today. It always starts with the money doesn't it Super Dave? It does. Great hearing from you. Thank you for the take on that 7705633. Let me grab another call here before news. Maybe two more calls. Hi, who's this? Hey Bill, it's David. Hi David. Hey, I wonder what the situation would be or the the liability situation if the man in Ashland

had hurt someone after the 8th when the police decided not to arrest him. Because I feel like if he'd had a second victim, luckily he only vandalized some businesses, but if he'd had another victim in that time period, I feel like it would be a massive civil liability situation for Ashland for leaving a known, you know, violent offender sitting there for all those days. I'm really curious if you could get some more insight into that story. I think it'd be worthwhile to take a look. Yeah, but you know, and I'm just taking this from their release. This is what they're telling, what they're actually putting out right now, and it just astounds me that he was there the 8th, on

the 8th, and supposedly they were around there, and they decided to do nothing because of the possibility of him getting sporty. And I don't know. And look, and a bunch of other people ended up getting assaulted and getting hurt, you know, after the fact here. Hopefully not seriously. We don't know what the level of this is, but once again, apparently they're not loving us enough at this point.

Well, yeah, I think it feels like that makes... What was that now, David? I missed you. It was another minute, you know. What's that now? I said if he's that dangerous, how could they let him sit there for even another, an extra minute, you know what I mean? Yeah, I know.

It just, I mean, this is the sort of thing in which you surround the place and you stay around the place and he doesn't get the opportunity to go out. You just sometimes you have to be patient, I guess. Well, yeah, I mean, these cops got all kinds of gear. I mean, you get pulled over, you get cops behind you nowadays. I'm surprised they couldn't, they couldn't handle something like that, you know? Yeah. Now, I don't know what the procedures are. Maybe that was the proper procedure according to the way things are set up there. And maybe this was something in which the chief just said, hey, just let him go. We'll eventually catch up to him. But I don't know. Once you've already had someone threatening and menacing with a firearm and keeping someone locked

up in the place for two days, you're talking about serious bad dude, you know? Seriously. Yeah, well, it's not like some drugs, probably. I mean, just guessing. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, we're just, you know, there's a lot of guessing about this one. But even what I'm seeing with this, I'm not particularly enamored of the approach, but that's just me. Okay? All right, appreciate the call. I'll grab one more and then we'll get to the news. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? Is this me? It is you. Oh, I didn't hear the noise. That's all right, but you're on now. Go ahead. Hi Bill, it's Carol Ann in the Applegate. Hi Carol Ann. So when you mentioned the deer, it made me think it's a little different, but stick with me for a minute. Okay. When they had that cougar in Ashland up in the tree, and they wouldn't

shoot the cougar because of the people going, oh, the poor cougar. Do you remember that? Yes. Yes, I do. Okay. So I'm thinking maybe there are too many drugs in their water or something, and the police are drinking them too, because the whole thinking process is so twisted there. Don't take care of this guy because of some twisted process of thinking you couldn't just get a SWAT team out there, like you say, and deal with it. Yeah, I just started. Now, I can appreciate-

Don't do anything with the cougar in the tree that they could have just shot with an inescapity an arrow of you know put him to sleep and taking care of them now I appreciate the fact that they're looking out for the safety of the community but the greater community would appear to arguably have been under attack given the fact that he wasn't taken in when he first came to the attention of authorities there at Ashland. That's the issue really, isn't that it? It is. Ashland is, I actually years and years ago I had dealing with the Ashland Police in the in a domestic situation with a grandchild of mine that I was trying to liberate from a situation and the Ashland police knew the person.

And so they just kind of, oh, no, this is one of the princes of Ashland. We're not going there. So it's a whole nother territory there. All right. Well, hopefully nobody got seriously hurt in the second crime wave from alleged dirt bag. But still, if I were an Ashland resident, I would have

an interesting talk with the city council and the police chief about this. And maybe there's more to this story than can be let out in a press release. I'm willing to acknowledge that that could be, you know, maybe it is that maybe this guy over on Iowa Street where he was living, maybe there's a school playground right next to it and the kids are playing and this and that. I could understand some extent. They need to tell people, don't they, to salvage their reputation if there is something. But before you let me go, I just want to add to the many, many bouquets of kudos flowers

you get. And I know that you, every once in a while, let a little air out of your head so it won't get too big, because you are wonderful. We love you down here in Southern Oregon. Everybody whose head is on straight, I mentioned Bill Meyer and they're like, oh yeah. So thanks for being so human, so down to earth, so connected with all of our issues. I mean, you're a jewel. That is so kind, Carol Ann, and thank you very much. I'm going to poke a little head in the skull, a hole in the skull, to let that out, but

I appreciate that. All right? Thank you very much. KMED, KMED, HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. Mr. Outdoors, let's get him on and talk about what else is happening here in just a minute. Quarter After Seven Outdoor Report is sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford. Mr. Outdoors is here, Greg Roberts.

And Greg, you were listening to this band. You had tickets and you went to Use Your Gift last night there at the Craterian Theater and that was Pablo Cruz playing there, right? What did you think? Great show, you know, it's like we were talking off air. It's hard to believe that, you know, the two founding members of the band that are still playing in it, because sadly the other founders have passed away, but Dave 77, the guitar player, and Corey the keyboard player, he's 74.

And they still play great, they still sound great, they're a bass player, and they do have a lead singer that that is his whole purpose being in the band. Peter, you know, they nailed those songs perfectly and you close your eyes and you're listening to it and it sounds just exactly like what you just heard and what you've been hearing coming out of the radio since the 1970s. Glad to hear it and glad to know that there's still Road Warriors and taking it out there. Now by the way, this was on Cool 103.5 or Sister Station right down the hall from me

here. And this was to help out Sandy Ficke, who of course is a drummer for Firefall, another 1970s band, and he has what's called the Use Your Gift Foundation that helps local kids, when I say kids, I'm talking like high school kids and young adults, get record deals and get connected into the music business, which I think is quite an honorable thing that he's been doing, trying to help them out and make sure they get money. It's a tremendous thing that he's doing, and he's uncovering great talent from right here in Medford.

And last night had a young lady from here, Amber Lynn, open up the show that, her first original song that she wrote, Sandy almost refused to believe the story she told him, but she said, well, this is like the only song I've ever written and it was so good. Sandy was like, you know, people write hundreds of songs before they ever come up with anything this good. Yeah, I could see Sandy saying, oh, come on, you had AI write that. Tell the truth, okay?

Yeah, I know. And she nailed it and she played it and it is deeply personal. And she talked about the fact she wrote the song to help channel and deal with the emotions and everything she was dealing with from an absent father in her life. Oh, okay. Well, she took the pain and made something good out of it. Yeah, okay. So, she's taking it to Nashville or recording it? She's already been there. In fact, she's been doing recording in the same studio with the same producer that Dolly Parton uses. No kidding. Wow. No kidding.

Great story. Well, I'm glad you had a good time there. And great, it's actually a very nice place to hear concerts like that. Curiosity. Have you checked out the new Holly yet? Have you had the opportunity to go over there? I have not no because when they did Jim Belushi and the Heartbreakers I was out of town doing one of the sportsmen's show I was like, oh man I would have loved to have seen that because Jim and his band are really good and like I said Being out of town. I had to miss it. Well the last time I was at the Holly Theater in the inside was in the pre

restoration time because Art Alfagnito Jr. the son of Art Alfagnito who owned the Holly, I was using him as a barber back in the day at that time and he took me inside there and and I've seen some pictures of it and to see how sad it was at that point, the roof was open and the birds were going to the bathroom on everything and the rain was coming through. Boy, what a change. Just amazing. Yeah, it was pretty sad and being a kid growing up here in Medford, I watched a lot of movies

in there. I never saw it when they were doing live entertainment performance Vaudeville basically if you will in there. In fact the last movie I saw in there was airplane Well, what a great movie to see Yeah to send it off though What yeah a theater? What's that? Well, it's a place where people go to watch a movie But that's not important And you just move along right?

You feel instantly old when you say I used to go Yeah Now my thing that that is one of that is a movie that every time it comes up on my On my cable feed through something I've got ID VR it and I still watch it. I fact I've now saved it anytime I'm looking for a stupid hilarious laugh, I'll rerun it. I know all the lines. I know where the lines are coming. But yet I've never tired of that movie. Never. Yeah, no. They just, they hit it out of the park with that movie. And if you go back, there was an era in the early 70s

To go back to there was an era in the early 70s where they had a whole genre of air disaster movies. They lampoon all of those. They also lampoon the pop culture of what was going on at the time. I mean, Howard Jarvitz, who threw California's tax situation on its ear by launching a massive tax revolt going this is ridiculous we're not going to pay this anymore. They even get him in the movie sitting in the taxi cab abandoned when Robert Hedges goes running off to chase the love of his wife who's a stewardess on the plane. I think my favorite part though was reading about it later about Peter Graves.

Peter Graves, of course, who played Captain Over, you know, one of the main stars there. He did not get it. And he was really concerned about the lines as he's going through it at first. And why am I giving these lines? It's just kind of nonsense. And I think it was either Robert Stack, who was also in the movie, or maybe it was Leslie Nielsen that came up to him. And who would have ever thought Leslie Nielsen would have had such a great comedic career

after having played such serious parts? He says, no, no, no, you got to understand, Peter, we're the joke. In other words, all these big straight guy leading men, the tough, the tough guys, you know, all that. Where are the joke? We're here. And it's like you deliver absurd lines completely straight as if there's nothing wrong with saying it, that it's not ridiculous, which made it of course ten times funny, funnier. Well, that was Leslie Nielsen who told him that and then of course that launched Leslie Nielsen into the whole naked gun police series. That's what kicked that door open. Yeah absolutely great memories. Hey thanks for bringing up that about the Holly watching airplane of all the movies there. So as far as the weather

goes and heading outside there's not much drama the next few days right? A whole lot of nothing? Really? It's just, it's absolutely beautiful spring weather. We're getting down to highs much closer to what we should be at this time of the year than we were at the beginning of the week. But just, this is, go do whatever you wanna do. And of course, Tuesday, on tax day, this is one thing that's always cracked me up about Oregon.

On tax day, they make you mad enough to kill something, and then Oregon gives you the opportunity because the opening of the turkey season is on tax day. Wild turkey surprise. Yeah, wild turkey surprise. So it's definitely time to go get your bird, and with all this lovely weather, the morels are just exploding out everywhere. So you can go out, you can get your turkey for wild turkey surprise, and you can get the morel mushrooms to go along with it. Now are wild turkeys considered a pest or an

invasive species or just a normal thing? Because they do a lot of damage in folks areas. It's a yes and no. They are a major pest. They are the chief source of wildlife damage complaints to ODF and W here in Central Point, but they are not invasive. They were brought here. Oh, okay. ODF and W decided, well, we're going to put wild turkeys into Oregon. And they tried the Rio Grande species. No, not the Rio Grande, because that's what we

have currently. I believe they tried Merriam's first, and then they tried, I can't remember the other one they tried, and both of those failed. And they tried them down here. Well, then they decided, well, let's do the Rio Grande, because they seem to be doing well in California. And yeah, Rio Grande did well in California, but Oregon was even more ideal for them.

And they just exploded first across Southern Oregon, and now they're found all over the state. I think, you know, most people know pheasants were brought to the United States in the 1870s and released first here in Oregon, in the 1870s and released first here in Oregon in the Willamette Valley and now we have ring-necked pheasants all over the country especially in the Midwest but the wild turkey introduction here in Oregon is very much more successful in terms of

their numbers and their presence across the state than the pheasants ever were. What about the taste of wild turkey as contrasted with the standard grocery store butterball, let's say? What do you think? Yeah, it was deep-frying turkeys that began with wild turkeys because they're definitely not the butterball you're going to pick up in the store. They are super lean. There's almost no fat on them and when you watch them moving across the landscape, you kind of understand why. So from a health point of view, it is way healthier for you to eat a wild turkey

than it is to go grab the butter ball at the store. But the flip side of it is, because they are so lean, there is so little fat, most people don't know how to even remotely cook that bird and they wind up with, well, almost what you see in Christmas vacation, it would seem, you know, a carbonized bird can't even eat. Okay, got it. So better to fry it because at least the frying process you can probably get some some needed fat or oil into that to help it out.

Exactly. That's why I say deep-frying turkeys. I know for a fact it began with people trying to eat wild turkeys. When you do it that way, well, then it works out. Well, we discovered a cheat though with the arrival of things like Trager's and slow cookers. It involves a lot of basting and personally one of my favorite ways to do that is to save up your bacon grease and then you use the bacon grease to baste your wild turkey and you slow cook it and it turns out absolutely amazing. Or you can go the short route and definitely dunk it in a deep fat fryer and get it into

peanut oil but always be very careful of your oil level. Oh yeah and by the way, don't do it on your by the way don't do it on your deck and don't do it on your deck. How many times every year you have somebody in an apartment that puts the deep fat fryer up on their wooden deck and they burn the apartment complex down. Happens every year. And then what's even worse is then they take the butter balls which have a ton of fat in them and they may not get them all the way thawed out. Yeah. And then the instant thawing process and the oil starts bubbling and oh yeah then you're in the disaster with that too. I think, excuse me, I think I've actually heard of more incidents with deep-frying

turkeys and starting fires because of butterballs than wild turkeys. That would make a lot of sense. Hey Greg, as far as, you know, the next few weeks, are we going to be...are we finally now in real spring and we're not going to be sliding back into the to the cold stuff any longer? No, real spring is here. All right. Good to know. I had said when the groundhog saw his shadow and said six more weeks in winter, I said no I think out here we're probably going to be end of April beginning of May before we hit that. Well we got to that about two weeks earlier than I thought we would but no we're

definitely into spring now. Okay very good. Wolf count I saw came out there. What are we looking at here in the state of Oregon? A little over 200, I think. Yeah, 204 to be exact. The last three years when they've released this report, it had been holding steady at 178 and then this year 15% increase gets us up to 204. The big thing to remember here, that is the minimum confirmed number. That is not supposed to be, we think there's only 204 wolves in the state because there are definitely more than 204. And you get the animal rights groups out there saying, oh, well, there's only 200 wolves and they're still killing them in Oregon and killing them is having dire...

And now, come on, hey, Greg, I have to tell you, you've been telling us for years that the wolves 100 wolves and they're still killing them in Oregon and killing them is having dire end now. And now, come on, hey, Greg, I have to tell you, you've been telling us for years that the wolves were there even before they admitted they were there. Mm-hmm. Yep. And then to further prove it, when I put up the findings of the 2024 wolf report, which again was released last week, they have the map showing where they know where all of the wolf packs are at or areas of wolf use. So I took the one they

released with the 2024 report, then I put up the exact same map from 2020. And you can see it in black and white. It's indisputable. The wolf population has grown substantially in Oregon, so they're actually, they're doing just fine. We're not in any danger of losing them. But then you get people who are definitely unhappy that they're here at all, and they say asinine stupid things like, they're not supposed to be here, they were brought here.

Well, no, actually, they've always been here. The lie was we ever got rid of them completely and now, oh yeah, we've got much more of them in part because Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife is no longer lying about the fact that they're here. Okay, that's good to know. Now, I saw a video and I'm not sure where it came from. I didn't save it. I was busy doing other things last night, but apparently like a small baby bear was nailed by a bunch of wolves up near Crater Lake. Did you see that video by chance? Diamond Lake. I posted that as a hoax as soon as I saw it, and now other media are pointing out exactly what I told people following rote weather. Here's what happens when you have a guy who knows wolves, who knows Southern Oregon like the back of his hand, who absolutely knows highway 138. I

took one look at it and knew it was bogus because I first looked at the trees around it. That trees that they're showing, that is definitely not Oregon. I was like, this isn't Oregon. This may be in the Rockies in Canada or the United States. But I was looking at it and I go, this ain't Oregon. That absolutely is not Highway 138. And I started counting, ooh, 10 wolves. That's all right. I got a dump button. We're good. Extraordinary. We'll put it that way. At this time of the year, wolves in Oregon have broken up, they've moved into their denning areas, they're getting ready to have pups.

You are not going to have ten wolves running in a pack in Oregon at this time of the year. All right. Well, good to know. I'm glad because I saw that I say wow that looks pretty interesting I have to ask Greg about that well good to know that it's a fake job so good to know. Well, Northwest Sportsman magazine Andy Walgamott saw my post on rogue weather he went and did some digging while I'm enjoying Pablo Cruz last night singing along, rocking out, having a good time, my phone's blowing up with people going, that photo is from Yellowstone National Park. It was from Yellowstone National Park.

Northwest Sportsman magazine, by the time I got home on their digital editions had already put out complete pictures of the entire series of photos from Yellowstone National Park showing these same wolves and there's nothing in the road. Whatever was in the road, whoever created this whole hoax, photoshopped something in the road and claimed the wolves killed a bear on Highway 138. But you see, that's just it. You have to be very careful about what you share and spread around because when it fits your narrative, that's when you need to be most concerned, really.

Exactly. By the way, wolves wouldn't be killing bears at random. If they were going to feed on a bear on a highway, it's because the bear was road killed and they're showing up for the free meal. Because as I've been telling this audience for years now too, wolves are scavengers first before they're killers. They will take the easy meal that doesn't require any

energy expenditure from them or no risk of injury. And a dead bear laying on a highway because it got hit? Sure. Perfect. Yeah. So wild turkey surprise, preferably that is lying there waiting for them. Okay, there we go. I said I could turn wolves into heroes in Oregon in an instant If I could just train them to do nothing, but eat wild turkeys. Oh, you got that right Greg. Have a great weekend Thanks for the outdoor report as always over at rogueweather.com and heck We'll go out with a little bit of Pablo Cruz too on that matter. We'll catch you next Friday. All right, you got it, Bill Rogueweather.com outdoor report sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford You got it, Bill. an email of the day to Brett who wrote me this morning. And email of the day sponsored by Dr.

Steve Nelson, Central Point Family Dentistry, centralpointfamilydentistry.com. You don't have dental insurance, that's okay, they'll take care of you. They have a dental plan which works a lot like insurance, but it has better benefits and better payout and lower costs. I think overall you find out more. And head over to centralpointfamilydentistry.com or better yet Just drop by the office get an appointment there on a freeway drive Freeman Freeman way, that's it. Yeah, I've only been there a million times. All right, but Freeman way it's right next to the Mazatlan Mexican restaurant, which is right next door to the McDonald's So that kind of tells you the neighborhood that it is in. Earlier this morning when I first came on I was talking about the order of love, the

order of love in the Catholic Church, and this was something that Sean Ring was writing about in DailyReckoning.com, the money guy, and that the challenges that we have been facing these days are because people have a distorted view of love, you know, like the order of priority, order of priority of course, loving God first, and then your family and kin, then your community, and then as far as the stranger and the greater world is in last place, right? But everything about globalism and everything about most of our state and a lot of our local government and the county and what's going on with the federal government has been about loving the stranger, loving the outsider more than loving our own people.

And it's more than just illegal aliens. It's just all sorts of things. Whoever is the odd person out is supposed to get first priority over everything. You have Chris Van Hollen going over and it is most important to go to the MS-13 alleged gangbanger and talk with him in El Salvador than actually taking care of the people in Maryland as an example who are more of his family. It just astounds me the distortion of of this. And Brett writes me, Bill, this is pretty in-depth. St. Thomas is a doctor of the church, and although his teachings

and guidance are extensive, he is still in the church's guidance on mental health within the spiritual aspects. To be brief, the disorder of the mind, the disorder of the mind which limits the disordered love that you spoke of, is when decisions and actions are not based on the intellect and the will but on emotions. He states that when people are only living by their emotions, which are driven by their memories, their imagination, appetites of the flesh and our desire for the self-preservation, this is disordered. The devil lies in those areas and drives them to absurdity,

which we can clearly see in our country. Boys can be girls. We call it common sense, but when the devil can stir up a memory to get us to live in that despair, living by the flesh, then we don't make decisions based on our intellect, which does know the truth. Sin darkens the intellect so people can't think clearly, we can see and therefore we can't see the truth due to the sins. Sin makes you stupid. Have a blessed Easter. Thank you very much.

Brett, Brett, I appreciate that and thanks so much. Email of the day, pretty good stuff there. This is the Bill Meyer Show. Get a $30 skin esteem certificate for only $10 visit Oregon e deals calm and click the metron link to score these deals News brought to you by Millett's construction specializing in foundation repair and replacement get on solid ground Visit Millett construction calm from the KMED News Center here is what's going on. Hi I'm Charlene, owner of American Industrial Door and I'm on 106.7 KMED. 745, appreciate you waking up this morning, this Good Friday morning. And we were talking about the order of love, the order of love in which it's important that we prioritize who gets help and especially when it comes to

charity and issues. And there has been a forcing of charity on the homelessness situation here in Southern Oregon. I don't want to make too fine of a point about it, but we've had a lot of disorder when it comes to the homeless crisis. A lot of it brought on by the legal system, I would dare say. But there are some people that are looking to help the homeless crisis again. And we spoke with them a few days ago, but I wanted to give them another bite because a big meeting there, a big community meeting is coming up on this coming Monday here. And they want to, not just helping helping the homeless but actually getting some accountability into the situation so that maybe their lives actually improve and they become more productive

people, happier people ultimately. And I think that would benefit the community rather than just forcing charity and putting up tent cities everywhere. And rejoining the show is Julie Thomas who is the president of PATH Partners Assist Assisting the Homeless, and Jeremy Ford, U-Turn for Christ. And Julie, welcome. Good to have you back. Good morning. Welcome. Thank you for having us back, Bill. And Jeremy, you're hanging out there too? You're on the phone, right? Good morning, Bill. Okay, good. So, Monday, you're going to have this big community meeting, and there was a change of of venue so we wanted to make sure and do

that first and where is this this meeting going to be happening? I know it's about four to six p.m. on Monday but where? Very close it's actually going to be Monday five to seven five to seven okay yeah thank you and we did have to change the venue because we needed additional technological resources so we've moved it to Calvary Chapel in Grants Pass and the address is 269 West Harbeck Road. And it's 5 to 7. We know it's dinnertime. This is the best time to be able to pull it together. So we will be providing refreshments. Okay. And Jeremy, if you don't mind asking here, what makes the pathway to stability that you are both promoting and have joint forces on to do?

What makes this different from the standard approach of, well, the city has to put up big campgrounds and that's just all there is to it, otherwise you're in trouble with the courts and the disability groups, etc., etc.? What will make pathway to disability a different process? Can you explain that? Yeah, so what we're looking to do is we're looking to do a treatment first model. So when the individual comes in, we get them stabled and then we provide a pathway out of homelessness. And we realize that a lot of it, a lot of the homeless issues due to

addiction and mental health issues. So we want to a lot of it, a lot of the homeless issues due to addiction and mental health issues. So we want to be able to provide resources for them to get out of their addictions. If they have mental health issues, we want to be able to provide them with resources to deal with their mental health issues. And then, you know, what we're looking to do is once we get them stable, once we get them into treatment and then putting them into workforce development, job placement training, and then being able to provide the community with another workforce to help the community grow. And one of the things we're kind of hoping to do is that once they transition out of homelessness and they go through workforce development and addiction

treatment, is that they'll be able to contribute back to the community instead of being a pull on the resources of the community. They'll actually be going to work or hopefully we'll get a few that have turned into business owners and actually be able to pay taxes and help foster community growth and build a community instead of being a burden to the taxpayers. Yeah, thanks, Jeremy. You know, Julie, it sounds like this is about actually restoring lives really, not just doing the traditional handout and well here's a place for you to pitch your tent. That'd be a fair way of looking at this right now? Absolutely, no question about it. And it's

really a long-term solution. Our community has really been plagued for the last five plus years, like you said, because of the courts and some legislation that came down that wasn't helpful. like you said, because of the courts and some legislation that came down that wasn't helpful. But this is really about coming up with long-term solutions, not just finding a place, like you said, for somebody to pitch a tent, but to take all the really good work that's already being done in our community

and take it to the next level. So we have great organizations that are getting people into treatment, people are getting into housing, getting mental health, helping them with job placement. The problem is that in many cases somebody will finally be able to get into treatment, they come out and there's no housing. Or they have a barrier to go into treatment

because they have a pet. Or they have a barrier to treatment because there's a three to four month waiting list. So what we did is we identified all the remaining gaps in services and the remaining gaps that are preventing us from really reducing and ultimately eradicating our homeless issues and addiction issues. We don't want to manage them, we want to eradicate them. The pathways to stability will bridge that gap between a low barrier entry where somebody

can go in, they might get a hot meal, a place to use the restroom, maybe lay their head the stability will bridge that gap between a low barrier entry where somebody could go in, they might get a hot meal, a place to use the restroom, maybe lay their head. Yeah, that would be like the Mint program in Grants Pass, right? The Mint folks. Correct. Yep, they're doing something now that nobody else has done and we haven't had low barrier before. And it's a step, it's a step up, it's a step, it's a place for people to get out of the

tent, out of the element, into a safer environment. But to transition and navigate people from there, there's limited resources. There has to be a bed for them, there has to be housing for them, there has to be treatment, there has to be job placement. So this is a place where those who are ready, who are going to Mint and are ready, they can step out of that situation, step closer to being stable, step closer to being self-sufficient. The Pathways to Stability not only has access to the local nonprofits who are doing really

great sustainable work, but it has a housing component, a transitional housing. So if it's a single mom that's just trying to get first and last month rent, month rent. Yeah. single mom that's just trying to get first and last month rent. Yeah, and you don't want to just throw them in with the general, with like a drug addicted population as an example. You wouldn't want to put the kids in that. I get that. I understand this. Now, is there a model where this has been successful before?

Pathway to Stability is actually like, it's sort of a national program. Am I right about that or not? Yeah. Jeremy, if you want to talk on that and I'll fill in any blanks. Okay, go ahead. Jeremy is the one that found this really successful program that we're modeling off of. So what we did is we started looking at different models that were working around the United States and the different cities and what we came across was one called Built for zero and built for zero was an initiative that's worked it's implementing in 104 other cities cities like Kern counties, Bakersfield, Fort Mississippi, Rockport, Illinois, different cities had reached function zero which

is where homelessness is brief zero and not occurring anymore but one of the things that we realized with built for zero model is it was a housing first model, not a treatment first model. And on the back end of that, a lot of people were falling back into homelessness. Yeah, and housing first, unfortunately, we found this out. That was an Obama administration plan. And we found out that common sense kicked in.

You're saying, okay, housing first, but if you're still addicted and in real, real bad personal shape, you're probably not gonna, housing first, but if you're still addicted and in real, real bad personal shape, you're probably not going to keep your house in good shape and you'll probably lose that, right? That's right. That's what we saw. There was instances where the homes were being turned into trap houses and other things like that. We're like, that's not going to work. And so here at U-Turn for Christ, we have a treatment first model here. And it works. And it's been working for over 30 years.

We've gone from one user to Christ for, like I said, almost 30 now, before overseas in the United States. So we kind of want to implement. We're trying to take in the best things that have a lot of different models that we've seen and trying to put it together for one. And we're kind of morphing it and making it where it's feasible here for Grants Pass.

And realizing that most of this is probably an addiction and mental health issue that we want to kind of tackle it from a treatment first model. One of the words we were kind of looking at was rehabilitation, but we don't like that word because rehabilitation just kind of brings you, means bringing you back to where you were. We were looking for transformation. We want to transform lives through this where they they can come in homeless, get them off their addictions, and then like I said, eventually put them in workforce development and job placement.

Okay. I don't think there's anybody listening that would actually disagree with this because, yeah, you've got to meet someone where they are right now, but you also have to get them out of that particular malady that got them there in the first place. So anyway, Pathway to Stability Community Meeting, it's going to be this coming Monday, 5 till 7 o'clock, and once again 269 West Harbeck Road in Grands Pass is where this is. And what's the the church or the religious institution where this is going to be? That's Calvary Chapel in Grants Pass.

Calvary Chapel. Okay, Calvary Chapel in Grants Pass. Julie, Jeremy, I appreciate you both coming on and talking about it. All the best. And this is going to be an explanation kind of thing, or you're looking for volunteers. What is the purpose of the meeting, 5-7? We're working on the agenda now so people who attend will be able to hear from some of the local nonprofits that are coming up with

sustainable solutions. And you can ask questions, ask questions things like that? Okay. Exactly and then they'll be able to listen hear from city officials and other people that are supporting the event. They'll be able to ask questions they'll be able to interact with those who will participate in this. They'll hear some testimonials about what's working and they'll hear where we've come from and where we are today and where we're going. Julie Thomas. It will be a great recruitment for volunteers because it's a community-wide need for sure. All right, very good.

Julie Thomas and Jeremy Ford, thank you for coming on the show. Good luck on Monday. Thank you. Thank you. 755 KMED 993 KBXG. Joel here at Brotherful. the show. Good luck on Monday. Thank you.