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Episode Date: April 21, 2025

Morning news headlines, more on the Order Of Love...James Thorp, MD, Co-author of Sacrifice: How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable. His story of how medicine lost its mind in Covid Corruption

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at ClauserDrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning. It is Monday, April 21st, day after Easter. I hope it was a blessed weekend for you. It's a good weekend for me. And I had mom over, hadn't had mom over for dinner in a few weeks.

Actually, I think it could have been like the holidays. I think it was the last time. So it was really good to get her over and get things in the upright and locked position. Still too many weeds in my yard. I don't know what I'm, but that's another, that's kind of like a first world problem I'll have to deal with sometime this week, but I don't know.

I hope things are well with you. Join the conversation at 7705633, 770KMED. My email is bill at BillMeyersShow.com. I'm getting some interesting emails over the weekend we're going to have to have a little sharing with too. We've got some wonderful guests including Dr. James Thorpe this morning. He wrote a book that I started browsing through over the weekend entitled Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most

Vulnerable. And he's a board certified OBGYN. And he was pretty much ostracized back in the day during COVID time because he was saying that we shouldn't have been giving the jab to pregnant women, or I guess as the left would call them, pregnant people. Maybe they're ovulating individuals. I don't know. It can be started, you know, all that kind of stuff. But RFK Jr. ended up touching the autism third rail

the other day. It wasn't necessarily about vaccines though, but I think it is kind of all related in one form or another. R.F.K. Jr. says environmental exposure to toxins to blame for autism is what he seems to be talking about lately, although some studies are still indicating jabs and vaccines in general are a real problem. But anyway, I'll talk to Dr. Thorpe about that and more after the 630 news. And we're also going to have Mike O'Neill from Landmark Legal who is going to be going into the Supreme Court decision over the weekend,

pausing the deportation flights for President Trump. Not for President Trump, but at President Trump's behest. In other words, getting the dirtbags and gang bangers sent over to El Salvador, that sort of thing. And Nick Card will be in Studio 2. He's a Medford City counselor, good guy, and I've enjoyed talking with him in the past, been a while, but we wanted to dig a little bit more into this Eugene Emeralds baseball proposed deal that the Eugene Emeralds came into town the other day and ended up presenting to the Medford City Council in one of their recent study sessions. So we'll talk about that, maybe a few other things too.

And of course, where past meets present, Dr. Dennis Powers. Today we're going to be profiling the city of Phoenix. And the city of Phoenix is in the news for something kind of odd. Like I said, we'll tell you a little bit more. And this is kind of going back to honor and love being given really to the wrong people, as it were. I was talking about that a lot on Friday, and this was me reading a piece from Sean Ring at The Daily Reckoning, dailyreckoning.com, and this was me reading a piece from Sean Ring at the Daily Reckoning, DailyReckoning.com, and I found out that that piece actually came out in February. It was a couple of months ago.

But it was about the order of love and why nations must prioritize their own, and that there's an order of love, like a hierarchy of the love you should be giving. Yes, we can have universal love for our fellow man, but we don't have universal obligations to our strangers and fellow man and people who are not of our kin, not of our nation. And that really is where we find ourselves right now, that a lot of love and a lot of attention and a lot of concern is being given to the people of love and a lot of attention and a lot of concern is being given to the people who are much lower on that order of love. And in fact, the order of love is being completely inverted, especially by our Democratic folks. And I wanted to just give you a classic example of this that happened over the weekend. A lot of internet and social media drama going because

Tim Walz's daughter ended up speaking out. I'm just taking this from Yahoo News. Ended up finding the clip and the clip is quite interesting. But Hope Walz, Tim Walz's daughter, ignited a firestorm. She posted a TikTok in which she appears to compare Jesus Christ to Kilmar Abrego Garcia The Salvadoran man remember no, he's actually he's the Maryland man It's how the left-wing press has reported them Salvadoran man a man from El Salvador remember from El Salvador was never authorized to be in the United States and Salvador was never authorized to be in the United States and alleged to have ties to the violent MS-13 gang. Well, all you have to do is look at a few tattoos and you pretty much figure that.

Wall's comment intended to reflect on humanity and empathy. This is what Hope Walls had to say. If Jesus were alive today and in the United States, this administration would have already taken him and removed him from this country without due process, claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang as a way to try to justify not giving him due process, as if there is any justifiable reason to not giving somebody due process as if there is any justifiable reason to not giving somebody due process. But yeah, some people don't want to talk about that. It truly is baffling how clear and laid out everything is and there is still people standing by it. I believe in the good of people

and like humanity, humans, you know, deep down at our core, we care about each other. But that's really being tested because how anyone is okay with this is terrifying to me. But yeah, if you look like me, speak up, speak out, because we might be the only ones safe from what's coming and some of the only people that are able to stop it. So yeah, it's our duty at this point. If you look like me and that comes to mind that the major demographic force that seems to be pushing this is the white liberal woman. The white liberal woman seems to be pushing

this and the white liberal woman, I would imagine a college indoctr The white liberal woman seems to be pushing this, and the white liberal woman, I would imagine a college indoctrinated white liberal woman. I think we have to be quite specific about this. This is the kind of mental illness which comes out of our current education system, in my opinion. And I would go back to once again the great Catholic philosophers go back to once again the great Catholic philosophers and what Sean Ring was talking about. And I shared a lot of that on Friday morning show because it affected me deeply because it just told some basic universal truths here. Nations have to prioritize their own or our own. And the order of priority, first off, you love God, you love yourself, as long as you are properly ordered. I wanted to just kind of touch on that again. We love ourselves rightly. This is according to Augustine's Hierarchy of Love. Family and kin, natural

obligation to parents, spouses, and children. That takes precedence over the other, or precedence over the other people. You love your community and your nation. A love of one's people in homeland, that's natural bonds. And then strangers and humanity at large. That's bottom of the barrel. That is the bottom of the barrel. And Hope Walls wants to take the bottom of the barrel, strangers in humanity at large, and elevate it above God, self-properly ordered, family and kin, and community and nation. The good of the nation, the good of our people, that doesn't matter. What matters is the good of the stranger above all. And that is an inversion that is a, I don't know, almost like a cancer on the order of love.

But there are many people who think like Hope Walls, the daughter of the governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls. Remember Tim Walls? America's dad, you know the way that was portrayed. So it shows what happens when you don't have a properly ordered culture and Walz is part of that problem, that somehow the Maryland man, as it is reported, is to be held above the people of the United States of America. Remember, never had authorization ever to be here in the United States of America. And people who are talking about people like Garcia needing an immigration hearing, when there's probably 10 to 20 million or more of Garcia's, that's the

equivalent of them saying that they never have to leave. That's really the bottom line of the people like Hope Walls and others who believe that, you know, to compare Garcia to Jesus is blasphemy as far as I'm concerned in this particular respect. But we can talk about that if you want, but that's the thought process that is coming from the left, and the left really does have this penchant for doubling down on, well, to go to the order of love, loving the wrong people, granting the loving privileges to people who do not deserve them, who are not deserving.

We deserve, everyone's deserving of universal love. Please don't misunderstand me. They are not entitled to the universal resources and universal benefits of the citizen. You just can't do that. That's not the way. These people are not supposed to be. These people are lower on the hierarchy of love. Those that have played by the rules, those that have made that work, yeah guess we can we can talk about those sort of things. But that's the mental illness that runs that runs this that runs this country, a lot of this country. And I can't help but notice that Pope Francis, of course, that was the big national story, the big world story. You know, he died at the age of of 88. story, the big world story. He died at the age of 88, 730 this morning, I guess, Vatican time.

And I can't help but notice that Pope Francis was one of those individuals that was taking the order of love of Augustine and various other Catholic philosophers in inverting it. And he pretty much admitted that, yep, I'm a communist, and yes, these are not invaders, these are people we... In other words, he was the one, he was the Pope, that brought in a lot of this confusion into the Catholic Church, at least, and seeping into the greater and or lesser culture. So I wish Pope Francis a fine journey in the beyond, wherever that might go. I don't know. I'm not a Catholic.

I'm not Catholic. I was born a Catholic. I was in the Catholic faith for a long long time but it is my sincere hope that the next Pope understands the order of love and is actually able to take that to heart and that we don't have this kind of confusion. In fact, I'll talk a bit about what what Pope Francis was all about and it it was not something I was really happy with. We'll talk about that off and on this morning here. We'll have that and a bunch more. 23 minutes after 6.

This is the Bill Meyers Show on KMED and 99.3 KBXG. This is News Talk 1063 KMED and you're waking up with the Bill Myers show. Dr. James Thorpe is with me now. He's a board certified obstetrician, guided colleges OBGYN and maternal fetal medicine physician. 44 years of obstetrical experience. Saw more than 27,000 high risk pregnancies in about five years while serving one of the largest Catholic healthcare systems, SSM Health, St. Louis, Missouri. Currently, he is the chief of maternal and prenatal care at the Wellness Company. Well, he also review major

medical journals on all sorts of boards. And, doctor, we appreciate you being on the program. Good morning, sir. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you so much appreciate you being on the program. Good morning sir. Welcome. Thank you so much for having me on Bill. Now you ended up co-authoring a book very thought provoking. I started just kind of I just got a copy of it on Friday so I just browsed it a bit over the weekend here and so for me it was just kind of getting the overview but even just the title tells you a lot. It's Sacrifice deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable. And you co-authored this with Dr. with Celia Farber rather. And we appreciate you being on here this morning and you're in in Florida these days but could you take us back to the dark days

of when COVID came out and then the vaccines came out and then what happened and what you were warning people at that time that ended up coming to be coming to fruition? Sure. Well, in 2020, I'm a disabled veteran. I've never been an anti-vaxxer, right? So may I cope? In fact, I even pushed vaccines in pregnancy up until 10 or 15 years ago. But at the turn of the century, you know, when the New England Journal Medical Editor came out and just exposed how corrupt the medical journals were, that was a real shocker to me. And so I began waking up, you know, with regards to a lot of their corrupt coalition with a cartel between the government.

So when 2020 came around, I was treating patients with hydroxychloroquine with COVID because I know it was safe and effective. How did I know that? Well, because OB-GYN doctors have used it in pregnancy for, I've used it for 40 years, and because women of reproductive age were actually treated with it for autoimmune disease. So when I became censored and aggressively attacked for using COVID-19, because it was unsafe. I knew that was a lie. And I knew that that was being used in order to gain the emergency use authorization. And I was convinced they were gonna

ultimately target women. So as 2020 came along and they started rolling out the vaccine, It was a 2021, late 2019 to 2021. That's when I saw all the obstetrical disasters after the vaccine was rolled out. What kind of harm did the jab at that time do to unborn children and mothers? At that time, as soon as they rolled it out,

there was a spate, a massive increase in miscarriage, like never seen before ever in the VAERS. And in fact, the Pfizer's own data and the New England Journal of Medicine data showed that if you gave it in the first half of pregnancy, there was a 82% miscarriage rate. But we saw everything else from extensive bleeding, blood clotting, fetal death, that's death after 20 weeks, miscarriages before, a spate of every pregnancy complication you could imagine, preterm labor, cervical insufficiency, rupture of membranes, preterm labor, blood clot, cardiac problems in the fetus, malformations of every organ

system, severe early onset preeclampsia, necessitating delivery, and a dramatic increase in babies going to the neonatal intensive care unit after birth for a spate of a variety of different reasons and an increase in newborn death. If you were to do an estimate, I don't know if you've gone to this point, how many unborn children died due to the COVID vaccine in your estimation over those couple of years? Well, it's countless. It's really countless. I mean, I have one patient that's essentially lost eight pregnancies after a normal first pregnancy before the vaccine. Now, how could you do that? You had a couple of sets of twins. But listen, the Pfizer data was clear

in that there was at least a five-fold increase in fetal death, and there was a massive spike in miscarriage. This was the deadliest vaccine ever rolled out in history by Pfizer's own post-marketing from 10 weeks late December 2020 to February 28th, 2021 was their legally mandated post-market report of adversity deaths. And Bill, there were 42,086 casualties in that just 10 weeks. And of those, there were 1,223 deaths. And the pregnancy outcome was horrible. They tried to hide that for 75 years. Oh, that was some of the information they wanted to hide. Oh, I think we understand

why. I think we certainly understand why. Now, was this information known at the time? Did Pfizer hide the pregnant and unborn child data from the start? Was that hidden from the very beginning? Yes, that was from the very beginning. They colluded, denied in their own legally mandated vaccine adverse event system called VAERS. They tried to throttle that. They would delete all the, many of the adverse outcomes, but the safety signal was so powerful that they couldn't hide it. The FDA and CDC have been responsible for maintaining that since the Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in 1986.

And after the vaccine rolled out, when you see the red spikes compared to all the previous years of all the disasters, this is the deadliest vaccine that was ever rolled out. In the United States of America, I estimate, you know, this doesn't even include all the miscarriages and pregnancy losses. There are 30 million injuries or deaths caused by the COVID-19 vaccine. Globally, it's over 600 million COVID-19 vaccine injured or killed.

So this is a horrible problem. And it defies just the corruption of our government that has been algorithmically progressing over the last several years, especially the last decade. Dr. James Thorpe, MD, is the author of Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable. This is what you were speaking of, targeted the young.

Now, this is where you kind of get into, I guess it would be conjecture or opinion on this one, doctor. I have wondered, given that it seemed to do, the vaccine seemed to do so much to attack the very, very young, like the unborn child and the very, very old. Is there a possibility that this was designed to be a feature and not a bug? I know that sounds really uncomfortable to even ask somebody that. I think this is a distinct possibility. You know, clearly this was a DOD product. This was a project and they've been working on it since at least 2010. And that's not a theory. That's proven now

in multiple documents and multiple books written, including RFK, including Courageous Discourse, including Peter Bragan's book. But you know, so the disaster here is the victims of the vaccine. And one of the things I'm really, really excited and honored about, And we'll unapologetically ask the listeners to buy not just one book, but buy 10 books because every single dime of the royalties, the profits that I get from this book, the wellness company is matching.

That's TWC.health, the wellness company. We're a parallel healthcare system. And they are matching every dime that I put in going into what we call a vaccine injured fund. And so this money will be given to families whose members have been injured or killed by the COVID-19 vaccine. And we've already made our first grant award to the Martin family that lost their beautiful daughter,

Krista Martin. She was killed by the COVID-19 vaccine. I remember, you know, there's a part of the COVID time here, Dr., that I can understand why many people just want to forget about it and kind of shove it under the rug, so to speak, and then let it go. And yet I'm concerned that if we don't call for the accountability of those who called for this, of the companies that ended up putting it out there, of the warning signs that were ignored. I'll give you an example of one that happened here

in Northern California, Southern Oregon in our region. There was a young girl in a small town and it was actually reported for a while who ended up getting the Pfizer vaccine and ended up being paralyzed, partially paralyzed for weeks and or months. And it got reported for a little bit at that time in the news, but you know it didn't fit the narrative of what was permitted. And I kept calling that small town in Northern California where she lived and would try to get in touch with the parents and went through the police. And it's like the parents didn't want to talk about it. Nobody wanted to talk about it. And yet this this girl is obviously 17 year old damaged was a big sports person, horse lover, all this kind of stuff,

it'll sort of stuff. And and then she was just taken down into a wheelchair at that point. Now maybe she's recovered a bit there. But something tells me that this is not unusual. What about your experience? That's the norm. You know, I know all the vaccine injured, many of them around the country. I know Heather Hudson and her son Cody. Of course, I know the Martin family, Alan Martin and Taylor Martin, who lost their daughter. The White family, you know, these families were actually featured in the movie documentary Shot Dead, and you can see that at shotdead.org.

I was also in that movie, featured in that movie with Dr. Peter McCullough. But you know, to your point, the vaccine injured has been mocked, they've been gaslit, and if they speak out, they're attacked viciously from every which way to Sunday. Even today, they're still being attacked in your view? Even today?

Oh, yeah, not in my view. Go on the websites of these vaccine injured. They're atrocious, horrible attacks that are just unconscionable. So yes, it was taboo to speak out and it was purposefully done this way. This was targeted. This was the most advanced fifth generation psychological operations globally in the history of the world. Is it surprising to you that this is still being encouraged,

that we're still hearing the ads and still hearing this, hey, go get your shots, even today? It's shocking, but you know, Bill, what's even more shocking is that the American people by and large know the vaccine update despite you being... You can't call a pharmacy or go to a pharmacy without seeing the shot, get your COVID shots, get your influenza shots. And yet only way less than 10% of Americans took it.

I've seen some figures that only 1% of Americans took the vaccine booster last year. That's a pathetic uptake. That means that the vast majority, 95, 98%, 99% of Americans know that it does work. They know somebody that's been injured or killed, and they don't believe the government. But yet, they're still silent. Why do you think we're still silent even at this point?

I think there's a variety of reasons. Number one, remember, the physicians in the hospitals took massive amounts of money to push this. Look at it from a physician's perspective. Let's say it comes out and I push it, I buy the Kool-Aid, I push it in my wife, I push it in my children, I push it in my extended family and friends, and then I push it in my patients. And despite that, they didn't do their due diligence. So for them to come back and admit that they made a mistake and caused all these injuries and deaths, there's a cognitive dissonance there.

Now, you know, just last week, a week from today, we published a manuscript documenting the severe cognitive deficits in dementias, accelerating dementias associated with the COVID-19 vaccines, in addition to a massive increase of psychiatric illnesses, including schizophrenia and conversion reactions every over there were over 86 adverse events with neurological psychiatric impairment associated with a COVID-19 vaccine with other vaccines. I think that plays a role. Remember that doctor can never take that shot out of its body. Now we know that we suspect there are data suggesting that anybody that got just one shot has turned into a permanent bio-weapon manufacturing plant within their body.

The spike protein is the most potent bio-weapon ever devised. It meets all of the criteria, the medical military criteria for a bio-weapon. Trust me, I know I'm a veteran. So they produce it for life. These vaccine injured that got just one shot back in 2021, we're four years out and they're still producing massive amounts of spike protein. So this is the disaster of,

could be one of the great greatest disaster. Certainly you combine the two world wars that throw Vietnam in there, throw the Ukrainian war in there, throw some other massive disasters in there, including Chernobyl. It doesn't come near the carnage, death and destruction that the COVID-19 vaccine incurred globally. Dr. James Thorpe is calling us from Florida this morning and he's the author of Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable. What is your opinion on how we got to the point? Because the one thing I want to be fair about though, doctor, is that we were conditioned with a lot of fear. There was a lot of fear that came

at us once that virus ended up doing its deal back 2020-2021. And so I always tried to filter that through, hey, we knew what we, well, we didn't know what we didn't know, you know, at that point. And so we were looking at the, and I remember people were looking at the vaccine as this saver thing, get the vaccine, you'd be able to get back to work and do all these other things. What made you different? What made you look beyond the fear? Because I didn't get it.

I ended up resisting that and I was concerned I was going to lose my gig there after a while, but fortunately, that Joe Biden order that he was trying to do ended up being knocked down by the courts. But when did it change you? When did you see? Because I don't know if you were for the vaccine at first because people were so afraid. Give me your experience. I stopped giving all vaccines in pregnancy and in my patients probably. But remember, I have a very small focus of specialty on only high-risk pregnant women.

Oh, okay. So that's all you work on. So high-risk women, you would naturally just say no shot, period, if at all possible, right? Yeah. If they ask me, but I didn't recommend vaccine for anybody outside of pregnancy, any of my patients, I strongly recommended against it because I saw the governmental corruption in 2019 and 2020.

Just to remember, event 101 at Johns Hopkins University, they told us everything that they were going to do to us. They advertised this. This was nothing more than an exercise in the globalists shutting down and controlling global citizens. Dr. James Thorpe, MD, could you hang on for just another minute or two and maybe have another quick segment? I really enjoyed the talk here. It's good that we have these conversations. If you wanted to talk with Dr. Thorpe, by the way, my number is 770-5633 on the Bill Meyer Show.

At Drake's Pay It Roofing for your next metal project, visit MontanaRoofingServices.com. This is the Bill Meyer Show on 1063 KMED. Got something on your mind? Dr. James Thorpe, MD, author of Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable, and it documents the true story of this very respected doctor of maternal fetal medicine. And doctor, ultimately, what it was is that everyone just lost their mind around you. Is that fair enough? Almost a summary of what happened at that time? I think what happened was our government spent an unprecedented trillions and

trillions of dollars on promoting a narrative. and they instilled really fascism in a very covert way by basically buying off non-governmental organizations, giving them an under the table grant with an agreement that they would walk lockstep with a draconian government COVID narratives. So for example, $186 billion was distributed to over, listen to this, 420,000 hospital systems and physician

groups, right? The American College of Obstetricians and gynecologists and the American Board of OBGYN and the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine, all of the specialties that provide care for women and pregnant women, they all entered into these really illegal and ethical relationships where they became government actors. And they took massive amounts of money and didn't have to pay that money back only if they remained lockstep. So, you know, September 27th, 2021, those three organizations essentially told, they threatened 60,000 OB-GYN physicians in this country and in Canada and stated, if you do not push the vaccine in pregnancy

and walk, walk, step with our narratives, we will destroy you professionally. We will take away your state medical license and take away your board certifications. Those, if you lose either one of those, you can't practice as a physician. So, and there was no data that they presented. It was a blanket threat.

It was unprecedented. So this is the way it worked. So you weren't seeing your Dr. Smith, OB-GYN, who a couple's going in to see them for the first time. Dr. Smith was bought off. She had to stay in the narrow confines. You were talking to a government actor in the most sensitive, arguably the most important

and private and sensitive physician-patient relationship that a woman could ever have. That was her OB-GYN doctor who she trusted with everything. Her sex life, her newborn baby growing in her body, there's a special relationship there. And when that OB-GYN doctor was bought off, it wasn't Dr. Smith, it was the government. And that's the way they accomplished their dirty work, which is really fascism. This was illegal, it was unethical, it was a conspiracy because it involved not only the hospitals, but it involved the private medical board organizations, the journals, the mainstream media, the athletic

teams, the national religious leaders of all different persuasions. Same thing. Every single thread of the fabric of our society was entered into relationships where they received large amounts of money to push a false narrative And by the way doctor in your opinion, you know, I wonder if we were kind of If both political me even both political parties Republican and Democrat in one way Ended up it kind of getting into the narrative itself in one form or another And now I know that during the Trump administration, there was Operation Warp Speed. We need to develop this right away because we shut

everything down. And so this comes out. And so there is a push to get that into it. You had the Democrats at that time saying, oh, I'm not going to take this vaccine because it's in the Trump administration. And then Joe Biden comes in because it's in the Trump administration. And then Joe Biden comes in and it's like that narrative flips and then you better take it or else. And it's almost as if both political parties have had their credibility damaged in this, wouldn't you say, ultimately? You're 100% correct.

And when we look at the public records, we see that the vast majority of congressmen and politicians were given money, massive amounts of money from Pfizer and from Moderna and other pharmaceutical companies. So there's a huge conflict of interest here, just a massive conflict of interest. There were forces in the hospital, in the White House, one of them, a dear friend, Dr. Stephen Hatfield, who's written a book on this and he was recruited into the administration in the first year of the pandemic to act as an expert under Peter Navarro. And, you know, there was a strong movement to get to Trump and to speak to him about

the truth, for example, of the truth of hydroxychloroquine and how effective it was and how safe it was. And in fact, Trump himself took that and he was made well from a significant case of COVID. I know here in southern Oregon we had what I now term the Ivermectin Underground Railroad too. I would have you. There was a lot of that because you because you weren't going to get it from your doctor or the hospital. We know that. That's right. Peter Navarro and Dr. Hatfield in that contingent in the White House, they stockpiled 63 million doses of led-draxid borquine, but Fauci and the other contingents in the pharmaceutical suppressed that and it literally captured the entire industry.

Had they released that to the American people, the pandemic would have been over by July or August of 2020. Yeah. I appreciate your take of this. Dr. James Thorpe, MD. We have another listener who wants to ask you a question or comment on this. Patrick, good to have you on with Dr. James Thorpe, MD. Go ahead. Hey, it sounds like what you were referring to where the doctors were being threatened with having their licenses pulled, that's the crime of coercion. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And what I really dialed up to talk about was that I heard within about a year after this so-called vaccine was starting to be administered, that in about a year, there were 10 new billionaires working at Pfizer. That's correct. And there were a massive number of new entrepreneurs all over the country in different sectors. Thank you very much, Patrick. Interesting point you brought up there.

Let me go to, I think this is Tom. Tom, you're on with Dr. James Thorpe, MD. Thank you. You mentioned passing the spike protein, and I have heard stories of people saying they encountered someone that they thought was passing out the spike protein. Do you know, Doctor, if also the genetic material can be passed on from people who've been vaccinated to the non-vaccinated? That's such an important question. We spend a lot of time on that in the book. Yes, it would appear right now

that there is definitely a proven potential. For example, a study in 2021 has documented that the RNA, mRNA of the vaccine can be reverse transcribed into a human DNA. And that's proven. Now that was in the lab. That was what we call in vitro. But now, you know, it's, there's many other studies. You give it in pregnancy.

It passes through the placenta. It sets up a biologically active production of the spike protein in the placenta, in the uterus, in the fetus, likely causing all the problems I talked about before. But, and I have victims now that are four years out and still producing. That's four years. That's over 1,500 days. And from one shot, they're still producing massive amounts of spike antibody. I thought the spike antibody was supposed to stop after a month or two. Wasn't that what we were told?

Well, I'm sorry, the spike antibody, but they're still producing the spike protein. Oh, okay. And that's the lethal bio weapon. All right. Tom, thank you for, boy, that's an important question. Great question. And we'll take one more call here before we have to cut Dr. James Thorpe loose, but I can probably talk to them all morning.

Hi, good morning. Who's this? This is Ron, GrantsPASS. I want to have two questions. First, how is the spike protein transmitted to persons outside of the infected person? And secondly, what is the protocol for people who don't have the spike protein, who didn't take the shot, like ivermectin... Yeah, yeah. Can you protect yourself from that now? Okay, thank you. A couple of good questions. Could you take a stab at that, doctor? Yeah, very important. The issue of shedding is real. We don't know exactly what is being shed. The Advanced Biological Research Group, ABRG..group is working on that.

But remember, there's no funding from the traditional sources of research, which is the government and the pharmaceutical companies. So something is being shed with this virus. We don't know whether it's the mRNA or the spike protein or the nanoparticles, but definitely something is being shed. In terms of therapeutic options, I would go to the wellness company, the wellness company, TWC.health.

And you will find what I think is probably the most rigorously studied protocol to degrade the spike protein. Remember, even if you don't have the vaccine, haven't had the vaccine, you're still susceptible for spike protein, potentially from shedding of the mRNA or shedding of the nanolipid nanoparticles. So, you know, an antibody titer is, right now,

you can order an antibody titer to determine how high your spike protein level is. And if the levels are high, whether you've been vaccinated or not, I would use the extended spike supplement, the extended spike supplement at the wellness company as directed because I think there's some good data which we cite there on that website to degrade the bioweapon, the spike protein. Dr. James Thorpe, MD, something still to be looking at even here, five years later, Sacrifice is the book. Sacrifice, how the deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable.

A lot of information to absorb there. I just started on it over the weekend. And like I said, you have grabbed me with this one, doctor. I'm hoping that we can have you back at another time and get you on, but I thought it was important. How long has this been out? Did it just come out or something which has been out for a little bit? February 18th. Oh, okay, this is relatively new. February 18th. Okay. Yes.

Is it available at all the usual suspects? It is, it's at Amazon, it's at Barnes and Nobles. And also I have an X link if you, my handle is at J-A-T-H-O-R-P-M-F-M and my website is drjathorp.com. Dr. A pleasure. Final question I have for you is the worst of this protocol and this mess, is it past us now or are we still in it right now in our current medical system, in our current protocol world, in our current medical insurance industrial

complex? Are we still held hostage by this? We're still in it and I believe that because of the nature of the spike protein and how it can affect every single cell in the body, we're still looking at an acceleration now of all types of chronic diseases causing injury and premature death, whether it's from cardiac, whether it's from the brain, whether it's from the heart, the lungs, the kidneys, the liver, the blood clots, the neurological. And I think we're seeing an acceleration of these chronic diseases as a result of just, even if you only got one or two vaccines in 2021.

Dr. I appreciate you being on. It's a sobering, thought-provoking, and a must-read, sacrifice how the deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable. We'll have you back and I'll get all your information up on my show blog today. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir.