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Episode Date: April 24, 2025

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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at www.clouserdrilling.com. It's 11 minutes after 8. Dr. Sal Giorgiani Jr., PharmD. He's a senior science advisor to the Men's Health Network. He's joining me right now. He's also past chair, chair emeritus of the American Public Health Association,

former Alumni Association board member of Columbia University the American Public Health Association, former Alumni Association Board member of Columbia University School of Public Health. Dr. Sal, it is great to have you. By the way, you mind calling, if I call you Dr. Sal, it's what other people have referred to you as when they talk to me. Well, it's a lot easier on the ears and on the lips. So that's just fine, thank you.

Glad to hear it. Tell us about the Men's Health Network, if you don't mind first off. And then we'll go on to this amazing press conference yesterday on food coloring and kids' cereals and such. Please, tell us more. Yeah, Men's Health Network is about 30 years old. We are the largest and longest lasting men's health organization. We like to bring health messages, health information, health advocacy, health support to men when

they live, work, play, and pray. And we have a range of programs, informational pieces that are available on our website at www.menshealthnetwork.org. And there's just a ton of free information, as well as some very good resources that folks can use, whether you're a clinician, resources that folks can use, whether you're a clinician, whether you're a parent, whether you're just a guy looking to make sure that you and your family stay healthy. We have a lot of information there, free of charge from the mental health network.

Dr. Sal, what is the difference between a pharmacist and a practicing clinical pharmacist? I'm sorry to get off in the weeds here. I just want to understand, there must be some some difference otherwise it wouldn't be put there. Well, yeah, generally speaking we think of a pharmacist as someone who is in the dispensing role working in a regular pharmacy. Our educations are generally pretty much the same until you graduate and then most of the clinical use of the medicines to manage disease states. So there are a lot of hospitals, you find the clinical pharmacist doing dosage calculations, specifications where the clinical team makes a diagnosis and the clinical pharmacist will manage the

medication treatment. Let's talk about what RFK Jr. and the folks in National Health ended up talking about yesterday. They ended up unrolling a plan here to eliminate artificial food dyes from food. A lot of this, I guess, is made from petroleum-based food dyes. I guess like the red dyes and the yellow dyes, the blue dyes, etc. etc. And the claim is that they make problems for kids. Well, when you think of what, if I were to say to mom or dad out there, every morning

I'd like you to give a quarter of a teaspoon of Vaseline to your son for breakfast, and swallow that down. You know, we're talking about something that equivalencies are made the same way that Vaseline is but with coloring, with chemicals, manufactured synthetic chemicals that are added into a petroleum distillate, which basically is what a Vaseline is, and then are injected into our food supply. distillate which basically is what a throughout the country, rises in gastrointestinal cancer in very young individuals, increases in mental acuity and problems with focusing concentration in children, increased in cancer rates for older folks beyond what we would normally expect in some locales. These are all rashes and a whole range of things that are just not logical in a society as technologically advanced

as we are and have access to healthcare. So we're looking to look at the components of our food. And I think that's a wise thing to do. What are some of the dyes that may be more problematic according to your experience and maybe what you've been reading about? I was talking about, even back when I was a kid in the 1970s, doctor, they were talking about red dye numbers, something or something or other, that it ended up getting banned and they banned cyclamates in the diet soda and then they

went to something different and that didn't work out. I've been, you know, listening to this stuff for years and years and years. Sometimes it's hard to keep up, keep track of it. Well, then you know that this has been a debate going on for years, but I think it's the first time that someone has taken on this very complicated, economically complicated as well as medically complicated situation. So yellow dyes are somewhat problematic, red dyes, there's a range of them, and I think it's not so much which color in the spectrum of dyes, but how is it manufactured? You know, the petroleum-based dyes that we use in our food and in our medicines is essentially the same kind of dye in a different grade as the dye that's used to manufacture our clothes and sheets and

bedspreads. So when you think of it that way, you know, this is just the requirement. So what, bedspreads. So when you think of it that way, you know, this is just a requirement. So what the reason we moved in the 60s, 70s in a better living through chemistry mindset from natural food dye products, which were present in a lot of things, through the chemical petroleum base, because they were easy to make, you could make them a batch and then by various were easy to make, you could make them a batch, and then by various gradations of them, you could use them for textiles, as well as Johnny's cereal, and then Mommy's strawberry shakes. So it just became an economic issue in the food industry.

But now we're seeing, going back to natural dyes, which might have some, a little bit of a color variation from what you're used to. It's like a little bit of shading change in the makeup you're wearing. That's what this is. It's makeup for food. But they are, we believe they had to be much safer. The other point I want to make here is that when these dyes were labeled as generally accepted as safe type products, and also designation that we generally use for food stuffs, that we generally recognize as safe, it was a different era. It was an era where you went out to eat and had prepared foods once in a while, maybe a Saturday treat or a busy day treat. And that's very different these days. It works every day. Yeah, very

different these days for sure. Dr. Sal Giorgiani Jr., and once again he's a senior science advisor to the Men's Health Network. Dr., I guess what I'm getting at, when you talked about generally recognized as safe, G-R-A-S, isn't that the crux of the matter really in the American food supply with additives? In other words, it is assumed if it's in your food that it's okay until it's proven otherwise, or do you prove it's okay first before it goes into being generally recognized as safe? How does that work? Well, you would think that you would prove it first, but as in all pharmacology, it's

not just what it is that you're ingesting. It's how much of it you ingest and for how long you ingest it. That matters a lot. So when we would do it, when the standards were created for generally accepted as safe for use in food products, it was a different era. So the exposure that was likely to come from a processed food over a lifetime was relatively small. And the standards, the chemical purity, the studies that were done, the animal studies that were done to

resume to carry off to humans were done. It was a very different era. Now we find that the amount that's taken in over a day, or week, or a month, or a year is much more. The length of time that people use it, decades, is longer. So I think there's a questioning now. The standards that were adopted in the 60s and 70s, or even earlier, in some cases, the 50s, do they really apply to modern day life?

So I think this is a very, if you'll pardon the pun, healthy approach that FDA is taking to finally do a removal of these petroleum distillates and put back in something that's a little bit more natural. So if you're looking for purple, you'll go to a sugar beet, let's say, instead of going to a petroleum dye, right, that kind of thing?

Sure. The Timur is another one. The Beets is another. You know, there are a whole range of, I mean, my goodness, go to the grocery store and then look at the range of colors of the fruits and vegetables out there. They get them from natural dyes. They don't put colored Vaseline into that beautiful Bartlett Perry you're going to have

for lunch tomorrow. So that's, you know, there are those natural dyes. And I think that's what they're trying to do. The other dilemma was that there were, of course, always a range of natural dyes that could have been used, but the process to get them approved through the federal standards, the FDA, so that they can be designated generally, except for the SAFE, were bogged down in bureaucracy. Are you telling me, Dr. Sell, that literally it was harder to get a natural food dye approved in many ways, if we're generally recognized as safe, than the petrochemical dye? Really?

I wouldn't say it was harder. I'd say that there was very little incentive to go through the process. Just don't send in a sheet of paper like you would for a homework project. Like, hey, this is our stuff. You've got to go through a process of not quite as extensive as a drug application, but you still have to go through a process. So if you had this whole range of petroleum-based food dyes and it was a rather lengthy process to get anything new approved even if it was from a natural substance people just basically said why would I do that? So the other part of this plan which I think is very

important and doesn't get an awful lot of play is that they are extending they are making changes to the procedures for use of these natural dyes for certification of these natural dyes. I think that there are four immediately going that have been sort of like stewing away somewhere on the back burner of the regulatory bureaucracy there. They're going to advance those and then I think I read that there were maybe eight or twelve more natural dyes that are being, I don't want to use fast track, but are being paid attention to.

But then also the industry knows that people eat with their eyes as well as with taste buds. So there is incentive now if these petroleum based dyes are being pulled off the market in the next year, they're being given a year to replace them so there's incentive to grow through the regulatory process so they're making it a little bit less cumbersome and giving them incentive to do it. I'm wondering if there's also an issue with getting a natural food dye approved

that since it is a natural product it can't really be patentable you know that sort of thing so there may not be money in it well on the on the other hand, if you're a petrochemical company and you come up with a food dye, well, you can make that patent out of that. It's out of your material and your material only. What do you think? Well, I'm not a patent attorney, so I will demure on that. Okay. I think that you do have to... There is an economic consideration on creating this stuff. You know, I don't want to go talking outside of my...way outside of my lane, but I think the natural incentive is people want colorful food because that represents tasty food, you know, and I think that that's where the economic

incentive comes in. And don't forget, natural substance doesn't guarantee that it's safe. Yeah, I mean arsenic is perfectly natural, right? But you don't necessarily want to ingest that, for example. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. So you know you do have to go through a process. I think that's fine. You don't want people coloring things with some beautiful colored vegetables out there are plant-like, holly berry. I mean it's very poisonous. They can be, you know, created. So I think there is a base level of process that you have to go

through, and it's wrong to assume anything organic or anything natural is a priori safe and better for you. That's not the case. Dr. Salvatore Giorgiani, Jr., PharmD, Senior Science Advisor to the Men's Health Network will tell you more about where you can find out more about him here in just a minute. But back to the RFK Jr. deal about eliminating these artificial dyes from food, I guess that you would think about fruit loops as an example. And there's no colors in nature that look like fruit loops, or at least not

to that same extent, but that kind of tells you the quality of the cereal. And you know, a lot of kids probably ingest a lot of that sort of stuff, and if it causes behavioral issues, and that's the theory at least, this could be a good thing about making America healthy again. My question for you though, is there any talk from Robert Kennedy Jr. to go to more of a European style of approval process on these food additives, food dyes, things like that, because just about many of the chemicals that we're using in the American food system have been banned and you can't even try to do it over in Europe, let's say.

Yeah, I think that's part of the part of the and has been for a while. I mean that's not a new story. Many of these petrochemical, you know, oil-based compounds that are used in our food products and are recovering, they have not been allowed in Europe for quite a long time. Sure. I don't know the exact length, but it's not a new concept. But again, sometimes an old concept that's introduced into a robust economy can cause some disruption,

and that's not comfortable for a lot of folks. So yes, I think the model that's being used about how it can allow for relatively safer consumable products, given the environment we have now, that people will buy and like, is the model that we see in the EU. All right. Dr. Rock, can people find out more about your men's health network again, because you're doing some great work there and you put a lot of stuff out there. do you have a store or anything else that we should know about too? Just curious. Yeah, on the website www.menshealthnetwork.org. There's lots of information. Much of it again is free. We rely on donations in large part for support for our work. And you can find a whole bunch of really good things

out there at www.menshealthnetwork.org. All right, very good. Dr. Sal, one quick question before you take off though. Is there industry pushback to what RFK Jr. is doing with these food dyes, removing them? Well, I think there is some, not as much as some had feared there would be. Of course, I'm not privy to the backroom machinations

that go on, but I think there is a general recognition that, what's that old saying that I remember growing up in New York City, you can't fight City Hall, or Chicago's saying. So I think there was a, the other important component to regulatory reform is political will. So I think there's a political will to make these systemic changes now and I think that's something that we're seeing. We'll see how it turns out in 10 years. We can all look back and think this was a very good plan. Well, this wasn't quite a good plan,

but I think the political will is there. I'm hoping that 10 years from now you and I are still able to talk and we're healthy about it. And we're going, yep, good change. Good change. All right. Thank you, doctor. Good talk. Thanks for having on.

Dr. Sal Georgiana Jr., Men's Health Network. It is 828. Smile is the key to your health and confidence. Do you know that it is possible? You're here in the Bill Meyers show on 1063 KMED Streamed on KMED.com. Appreciate you waking up here on Wheels Up Wednesday. Some emails of the day and that is sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson and Central Point Family Dentistry. Central Point Family Dentistry.com

It's on Freeman Way right next door to the Mazinlan Mexican Restaurant. While you weigh crowns available great people there Central Point Familyentistry.com. And we talked a lot yesterday with Nick Card, Medford City Council. A lot of people wrote in about the the Ball Stadium proposal. We were just trying to catch up to see where it was and it does appear to be kind of a hurry up and you know kind of a hurry up and get to it if we're going to do something because Eugene Emeralds need some sort of an answer. And Jan Dunlap ended up writing me this morning saying, hey Bill, since so many hotels house

the homeless, who pays the lodging tax? Medford taxpayers. Hmm. You know, if you're talking about like the Green Hotel in downtown Medford, you know, the one that I forget what used to be the Inn of the Commons or whatever it is, I don't know if that is still considered a hotel motel taxable kind of place given that it's now essentially a homeless, homeless encampment, not a homeless encampment, but a place where many homeless and low income people are living. Maybe that changes, Jan. I don't know. But note that Nick Hard never

said a number as to dollars paid for studies. He was estimating about 30 grand, I think is what he was talking about, Jan. I have learned in purchases of the, we have to deal now, it's usually not to my benefit. And I think, Jan, that statement is probably going to be the operating statement. Anytime someone's saying, hey, we need a decision right away, that would be a problem. So you have to be extra careful on that. Bob Shan ended up writing me about this and said, you know, they did that $800 million jock tax to fund Major League Baseball Park up in Portland. It would seem, Bob, that what Nick was talking about, if you're talking about capturing the income and the economic activity,

maybe a similar bill would have to be passed in the state legislature for Medford to do something like that so that it doesn't just go on to the general taxpayers. John B. writes me, Bill, how about an exchange for a casino permit and naming rights we hand the baseball stadium off to one of the tribes to build? You know, you're making me laugh. John, I have to say, that's kind of like, that's creative. That is creative. All right. See if I creative. All right. See if I wanted to weigh in on this. All right. Bill, I'm going to give this another email to Randy this morning. Randy writes me, Bill, with approximately 11 million suspected illegal aliens in the U.S. Of course, we all know it's probably more than that, right? Why not allow each illegal alien their due process by giving

them a 15-minute hearing, only one question needed, are they here legally or not? A no answer means go to the door where the deportation transport vehicle is waiting. It would take 44 million of the 15-minute hearings to get the job done. One judge, if working an eight-hour day, could hear 32 cases per day, 160 cases per week, 8,000 cases per day, 160 cases per week, 8,000 cases per year, allowing for two weeks of vacation. In other words, he would take that judge 5,500 years to hear all the cases. So if we want to spread the workout between more judges to accomplish all the hearings

within one year, then we would need to employ 5,500 judges. Currently, there are about 1,500 federal judges in the United States, so we need to triple that by hiring 3,000 more. Randy, you're bringing up the Democrat ridiculousness aspect that every illegal alien who has no right to be here never got any paperwork done. All of a sudden, you have to have big hearings to get them out. I'm thinking about Tom Homan, who was on MSNBC, I think yesterday, maybe it was the day before, and the perfect line that he ended up delivering it's like, listen, you know, by administration we have all these people

coming in, absolutely no vetting at all. For any of them you just come in, millions upon millions upon millions, and now you want to vet on who we deport. There's a real problem there, folks. A real problem. Big, big deal. As far as the $5,000 baby, the baby benefit that we were talking about earlier this morning, Trump administration is floating this, Ira Edwards writes, Bill, you know what happens if they give a $5,000

bonus to anybody, a married woman having a child? Within a year, doctors and hospital costs would increase $5,000. Oh, I hope you're wrong about that, Ira. All right, let me go to Curtis. Oh, yeah, here it is. Mr. C in Grants Pass says, Bill and Eric, I wonder if the windshield airbags that Subaru are wanting to make sure are for when people drive through the street protest so that nobody gets hurt. I'd rather have the collateral damage to my typical windshield.

Ha ha. Okay. Yeah, that is just wild. But yeah, in Japan, Subaru was actually talking about having airbags on the windshield area of the cars to help it when pedestrians or bicycles would be struck. And how's your morning? It's 8.37. My email bill at BillMeyersShow.com.

This is Brent from Home and Built Beck and Fence, your Treks Pro Gold Builders Fab.com. You're here in the Bill Meyers show on 1063 KMED. Time for Open for Business. Open for Business. Oh, by the way, after Open for Business, we're going to have the Diner 62 Real American Quiz, so listen closely. This way you get a chance to score yourself a great $20 gift certificate. Not yet, not yet, but coming up here in the next few minutes. But Open for Business, we talk with locally owned and operated businesses you need to know about. And we have Ryan Westfall in studio. Ryan Westfall, of course, is the proprietor of Max Energy. And you're out, you clean solar panels for a living.

And people would be amazed at how, you know, if you have, I'm looking at my neighborhood, I don't have solar energy up there yet. Probably will, you know, at some point. And I'm told, in fact, I'm told that the prices are even going down lower right now and so we'll see about that but the challenge with them is that well they get dirty they're out there right and they're up on a roof and most people don't really want to get on a ladder and head up there and do it because I look at ladders and I see an ambulance with my name on it okay yeah that can happen let's come see, Ryan, tell me a little

bit about this because you know you were at the home show recently. How'd that go? What happened? Yeah, the home show is great. We did both Jackson County and Josephine County home show. Had a lot of people come through and just were able to give some educational details about, well, you know, why to clean solar panels. And you could just look around right now. You see all the pollen that's just nesting on there. Well, look on your car, for crying out loud. You look on your car and you're wondering why you're going home and your eyes are running and you're burning and you're snorting and all the rest of it's stuff. Well, your solar panels are also being degraded.

How much can dirt, pollen, things like that cut the juice that you're getting? Because you already spent a lot of money on the solar panels, right? What can it actually do? How much of a degradation can it put in there? So a normal degradation is about a half a percent per year just from the solar cells themselves getting older. Yeah, they get older. Yeah, just like your batteries go bad over a year or two. Absolutely. So typically what we see is somewhere between 15 and 30 percent increase after we clean the solar panels. So the production, it just takes, gives you that much more. Okay, and this means that

Really what you do at Max Energy is part of regular routine maintenance Just like changing your oil then that's right in your car or whatever the case might be right? Absolutely, and you know a lot of times the the conception is that you don't have to clean them because the rain will clean them Well, we don don't get rain year round around here, but we do get a ton of pollen. We get a ton of ash from the wildfires and sorry to bring that up. But, you know, it's kind of, you know, it will happen again. It's a hey, listen, I changed transmitter air filters up at the transmitter sites on top of mountains. Oh, really? You know, you can go almost all winter.

No problem whatsoever. Wildfire season starts. And even if we don't have much wildfire around us, those filters just plug so quickly. Just a few weeks over time to time and the same thing's happening to your solar cells. Yeah and see short term you don't see degradation in year one maybe, maybe year two when the cells first go up and they're brand new and fresh. But really what you see is if you have a buildup or if you have a really bad pollen year or bad ash year, you get a buildup and it just,

it makes the cells work harder. And so if we keep them clean, they're not working as hard, which if you don't have to work as hard, you live longer, right? And so it's kind of that whole idea is that even though we're looking now, you bought this solar system to be in place for 20, 30 years and we don't want to shorten the lifespan. I would imagine though that keeping them clean also allows them to cool more effectively.

And that's part of it. And heat is the energy of all this. I mean, heat on your roof is always a problem anyway. Yep. Got to deal with that. Absolutely. So you ended up getting this idea by being over in Hawaii. You were telling me that you're out there on vacation, you're looking at, oh, they're

up on roofs and they're cleaning. What are they doing? Right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We were just back there this spring. We went back for a visit and there are a ton of dirty solar panels over there. So kind of get an idea.

Maybe there'll be a way to get over there and do some work. They're desperate for solar cells there because all the energy has to be imported there, for the most part. Everything's expensive. I think they even import papaya, which doesn't make sense. I know it's Hawaii, but... Yeah, no, I don't... They have a lot of plantations over there.

We visited some over there, but not papaya specifically. But yeah, so, and you spoke to something earlier about getting on the roof. So I mentioned last time that I'm a financial advisor. That's what I do for my day job That's what I've done for about 20 years now So my son's even this morning I got my son and son-in-law up on a big commercial job that we're doing about 800 panels Oh, sorry. This one's 400 panels and so got them set up and running. That's a lot of solar panels man They're running so I don't have to necessarily get up on the roofs and do the work anymore. They get to do the work and I just get it all lined up.

The beauty of maturity, Ryan. There it is. There it is. I love it. Gotta love that. So anyway, how do they get ahold of you to get this arranged? Because if I understand correctly, you also offer other roof servicing services in addition to cleaning solar cells.

What do you do? Yeah, so the best way to find out the services that we offer is go to maxenergysc, like solarcleaning.com and that talks about all of our rooftop maintenance programs that we have. So we do moss removal, we do gutter cleaning, we install gutter guards. So those types of things just anything that's rooftop that's bothering you or that maybe you haven't looked at because it's out of sight out of mind But once the roof is is compromised then everything underneath the roof is compromised And so we just put eyes on it. We give free estimates So if you have a question about the moss that's on the north side of the roof or the

East side of the roof. I've got it, buddy I've got it, and I've been looking at this and it's like, man, I got to do something about this, man. I got to do something. We'll get you taken care of. Okay. All right. Because I'm just looking at that and I know that the moss can really damage the lifespan. When does the moss actually get dangerous when it really starts attacking the integrity

of a roof? Well, yeah, it just seeds into all the dimensions or depending on the type of roof that you have, and it can absorb moisture and keep moisture on the rooftop. So then it just, it can push water in areas that you don't want water to go sideways on a roof or into a valley or those types of things.

So yeah, it takes a while to build up. Usually if you do a treatment, we're not back out treating sometimes, you know, four or five years down the road, you might have to do a little touch up, but it usually keeps it at bay for a little while. Yeah, but the north side really gets it on most bills. You can always tell, okay, where's directional north? Okay, look at someone's roof.

Oh, okay, there it is. Who needs a compass, right? Right, exactly. So once again, it's maxenergysc.com, right? That's correct. Maxenergysc.com, phone number? Yeah, 541-646-7776. And that goes straight to myself or my daughter, Kiara.

It is a family business, so my daughter, son-in-law, son, everybody does the work. And if you're dealing with somebody, you're dealing with one of the owners. So that's the good thing about it is that we all carry pride in ownership and we're gonna take care of you the right way. So we can clean solar panels we can take care of other rooftop maintenance and then and then you're not like me looking at the no I'm not by the way now I'm kind of curious this is completely off on a different okay I read that OSHA was really getting tough on anybody getting on roofs is Is that true?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's a safety issue. So yeah, we actually installed some new walkthrough ladder extenders today on our ladders that we're using. And yeah, you have to do annual inspections, sign off on them. The guys are harnessed up, make sure that we're safe.

So there's nobody standing on the roof anymore, just free, wheeling in, I guess? Yeah, that's right. Okay I always wondered how you guys would do that stuff. I just and I would just look at I'd be falling off that roof in no time Yeah, just not my it's not my thing. Well, it's the right shoes. It's also, you know, the right safety equipment So and then just experience just you know, you learn how to how to navigate. Yeah, it's not very often Get a chance to talk to roof people here. So that's perfect. Perfect, man. Hey, Ryan, great having you on and open for business. Okay?

Great talking with you, Bill. Get all your information up there. It's MaxNaxxEnergy. Oh, just one X. Oh, just one X? Yep. Okay, I thought it was two Xs. No, just one on this one.

It's all right. All right, one X. MaxEnergySC.com. Okay? MaxEnergySC.com. Thanks for being on and open for business. Perfect. Thank you, Bill. All righty.

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And they have specials on the weekend. let's see Chuck would like to score that prize good morning Chuck how you doing today? Good morning, thanks. Chuck it was today Wednesday April 23rd 1961 Judy Garland the great Judy Garland yes she was more than just Wizard of Oz but she performed a gig at Carnegie Hall, the greatest night they're calling this in showbiz history, many people, many historians call it. Garland was one of the biggest and most popular movie stars of all time. First film appearance at the age of seven, earned the first of three Oscars at 17 for her starring role and of course be a Wizard of Oz.

Also a prolific recording star, she sold millions, won five Grammy Awards in a single year nearly three decades after starting out as one of the youngest performers ever signed to a major record deal. The question for the win, Chuck, how many songs did Judy Garland perform that night at Carnegie? This is considered one of the greatest

showbiz nights ever. Was it A, three, B, nine, C, 15, D, 21, or E, 27 songs? How many songs do you think Judy Garland performed that night? Three. Three! She's a harder worker than that. Sorry, Chuck.

She did perform more than three. May not have been James Brown, but certainly more than three. Hello, Melinda, how you doing this morning? I'm doing good, thank you. We're talking this big show biz night, Judy Carnegie Hall. I guess it's Carnegie if you're on the West Coast, but I always knew it as Carnegie.

But is it nine songs, 15, 21, or 27 for Judy Garland at Carnegie? I say 15. 15 right in the middle. No it's either a little bit less or a little bit more. I'm sorry Melinda let me go to Jack. Jack how you doing? Good Bill. We're talking nine songs 21 or 27. How many songs did Judy Garland perform that

night at this big night? 21. 21? Was it 21? No, it's not that either. We have Hungry Lauren. Hello, Lauren. You're always starving. I know that. I think you have a hormonal problem, but it's neither here nor there. It was me. I'm just teasing. Not that. Judy Garland, did she perform nine songs at Carnegie Hall or 27? What do you say Hungry Lauren? I guess I'm going to go with nine. You're going to go with nine?

I'm sorry. Oh poor Lauren. 50-50. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? This is Chuck. Chuck, you made it back through for a second goal round. 27 or 27? 27. 27!

You're a winner! Indeed. That's a lot of music performed, all right? Boy, I guess. And what the American Masters guy said, to experience Judy Garland's full power, one had to be in the auditorium when she brought her God-given gifts to bear on a suddenly unified collection of strangers. Rock is standing ovation. And she sang 27 numbers in front of that crowd, frequently interrupted, and her performance on that night, captured live, would go on to spend 95 weeks on the US album charts, including 13 weeks at number one, and it would sweep the 1962 Grammys. But the experience of seeing

this live was clearly something else entirely. Frank Aston wrote in the New York World Telegram, she'll be back in May, try to get tickets, just try. This kid is still a killer. By the way, Judy Garland was 38, but she was a kid. You know how that goes. Anyway, Chuck, you're going to Diner 62. Second time around. It's good. Hang on.

Yeah. Paul Murray with your money now. Tesla CEO, Elon Musk said that he will spend. Medford. Click kia medford.com. 859 KMED, KMED HD one Eagle Point Medford, K KBXG Grants Pass John writes me as we wrap up the show here say hey Bill I hear even people with our political perspective really misrepresent the illegal alien numbers I know you remember the 11 million number we've heard for at

least a decade when that number was probably twice that after Biden another 10 to 15 million came even the most conservative number would have to be over 25 million. I hear Federation for American Immigration Reform talking 19 million. Why aren't we still quoting numbers not even close to correct? You had a guest recently who was right on the money, but all he had to say but seemed to forget all the illegals before Biden. I remember you tried to gently correct him. John, a good question.

We'll try to answer that. I'll tell you what, I haven't talked to the fair people for a little while. I'll bet you they have a new total. I'll see if we can get them on Conspiracy Theory Thursday, okay? Thanks so much for writing.