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This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Welcome to Conspiracy Theory Thursday, 12 minutes after six, joined the conversation at 7705-633. Coming up, speaking of a coast-to-coasty kind of thing, it's normally not my favorite kind of topic, but I was at the movies a few weeks ago. What was it?

The Hail Mary Project. Boy, was that movie long. I think that movie was about a half hour longer than it had to be. But still, it was a good movie. I really enjoyed that. But they had a preview for Stephen Spielberg's movie coming out in June disclosure. And, of course, like everything else that Stephen Spielberg does, it looks pretty good. You know, it's on the screen.

Of course, lots of money and lots of affairs. and all the rest of it. And Kent Hickenleave me, make this, boy, I have trouble pronouncing his name. Kent Hickenlovelie is going to join me after 630. And he and Michael Mozilla wrote a book last year. In fact, I think I talked with him back at the time. I think it was like October, November of the time. And it is called catastrophic disclosure.

Catastrophic disclosure. And what they have been talking about in their book is that Hollywood has, really been in on the cover up, has been in on the cover-up, and that we're being somewhat managed, I believe, from the cover-up, and that it's almost a Hollywood versus, you know, U.S. government kind of, maybe that's what they're talking about, the private, the public-private partnership. I don't know. Of course, I've been talking with other people who are saying that all this talk about UFOs and disclosure is really just about unveiling the demon seed or something

like that, too. I'm not exactly sure what, but they sure are talking a lot about it recently, and the entertainment world seems to be boosting this too. So I'll talk with Kent about that. Kent, by the way, is an L.A. area attorney, and what I've appreciated about, I think the last time he talked to, is that he tends to look at this very skeptically. And we'll just kind of revisit this.

I revisit the skeptic side of this disclosure issue. But, boy, Stephen Spielberg will no doubt make bank. on that, that is for sure. All right. Big story happening in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday. And I'm thinking this could be affecting the state of Oregon. Don't exactly know how. But the Ninth Circuit ended up blocking the California law requiring ICE agents and other federal agents to take off their masks and wear ID, visible ID when they're working in the state. And the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals says, hey, listen, there's the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, and this is a core federal government function,

no immigration enforcement. And so they shot that down. And House Bill 4138, which is very similar to what the law that was shot down by the Ninth Circuit yesterday, but Oregon's House Bill 4138 was just signed by Governor Kotech like two, three weeks ago, right after the session. And so I don't know.

Is that going to affect it? I'm sure we'll find out that there will probably be Dan Rayfield, the attorney general, saying, we will be going out there and filing an appeal. We will be resisting the Trump administration because, boy, we like to resist the rule of law if we don't like that law. You know, it's kind of the way that Dan is all about. Now, you've got a communist law. We love communist law here in the state of Oregon.

All right. Now, Nelson Research, this is going off into the political side of things here this morning. Do you believe that Nelson Research poll that came out yesterday? the Nelson Research polling on the GOP gubernatorial election. Now, Governor Kotech, she's going to be the candidate. There are no Democrats that are challenging her in the May primary. So it's all up to what happens in the May primary for the GOP, who will be the Republican gubernatorial candidate.

Well, Nelson Research did the polling, and they come out with Christine Drazen at 31%. it is more than double the next two place challengers here. So Christine Drazen, the candidate from last time, gets about a third of the vote. You have a little over 15% supporting state rep ed deal, 14.8% for former Trailblazer Chris Dudley. Now, about a third of them are still undecided. Does that polling sound about right to you? If you're a GOP voter and you sit around and talk with your friends and family,

does that sound about right that about a third of the Republicans are going to be going for Christine Brazen at this point? I don't know. I'm not knowing if it's, of course, I'd like to find out what the actual methodology, was it likely Republican voters? Was it just surveying voters in general? I don't know. They weren't specific about that in the Oregonian story. I'll have to do a little more looking at it.

that. But what do you think about that? Does that ring true for you that it's Christine Drazen's to lose at this point? Yeah. A lot of people writing me actually like Daniel Bethel last week in the in the debate, the non-debate debate, people telling me that they thought that she was the one that actually had most control of the facts and talking pretty straight on that debate last week. I don't know. What do you think? But polling is showing Christine Drazen at 31. and then Ed Deal and Chris Dudley about half that. So essentially you got 31% at Christine Drazen and 31% for Ed Deal and Chris Dudley combined

with about one third not going, with about one third not knowing where they're going to go at this point. Hmm. What do you think that tells you? Well, it could be that maybe people weren't paying a lot of attention and that maybe that they're just defaulting to a candidate that they knew from last time because Christine Drazen ran last time. Maybe it's just name recognition at this point.

I don't know because I know that Christine Drazen's doing a lot of stuff. And I know she's not my favorite one. I would hold my nose and vote for her if she was it. You know, I've talked with enough people that say that she's a pretty good administrator, you know, behind the scenes. All right? But Christine Drazen, I'll be the first to admit not exactly. my favorite candidate, all right? There are some other ones that I would prefer over Christine Dresen,

but I'm also looking at who can possibly take this to the victory circle, all right? And Christine, I think, knows that I'm not necessarily one of her favorite fans, you know, that kind of thing, not on the only fans page, you know, that kind of thing. But still, does that make sense to you? Does it ring true? Let me know, 7705-633. Christine Dresen at a third, 15% state rep ad deal, a little under. 15% going for formal trailblazer Chris Dudley.

And then everybody else just way, way, trailing behind. Okay? So that's what we're seeing there. What other news do we have this morning? I love this story. This is from Ashland.com. Ashland City Council changes night lawn hours again. Damien Mann writes this.

A unanimous Ashland City Council reversing course on the night lawn hours for homeless people during its Tuesday business meeting this week. Police Chief Ty O'Mara warning that is to become a chronic nuisance property. In other words, you have the homeless people camping out by City Hall and by the police department. Yep, nothing says. Nothing says your city is unhinged more than putting the homeless encampment with the City Hall and the police department. And the police chief saying, nah, this is not working. Nothing says crapphole more than having the homelessness thing right around the police department.

But what happened is that they've decreased the amount of hours. So they did have the crap hole campground around it from 4.30. Well, it was from 3 o'clock in the afternoon till 10 in the morning. That's a long time to have the crap hole around the police department, right? So now they've changed it. They've changed the crap hole hours to 4.30 p.m. to 8 in the morning. All right? So once business hours kind of get going, then the craphole campground has to be shut down.

God bless you. God bless you, Ashland. You've got to love that kind of thing, putting the campground at the police station. Well, of course, you know, if you have bad people in the campground, I suppose you can arrest them very easily then. And then you camp them into the Jackson County Jail. Is that the thought process in the city of Ashland? Good for you.

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625, it is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. And Wayne is in Central Point. Wayne, how are you doing this morning? What's on your mind? Hey, very good, Bill. I want to get inside radio questions for you. Okay. I don't remember when Hugh Hewitt left, they had some kind of contest on who was going to replace him. But when Chris Stagall leaves, they got a parade of contestants that want the job. Yeah, it does seem that way, sure. Yeah, and I really like Mark Davis as number one.

And Carl, I don't know his last name, number two, but that ladies read week, I don't know, I hope she doesn't. I hope she doesn't get it. Oh, you don't like the L.A. host, huh? Yeah. No, and I'm from L.A. That's probably why. Maybe it's a version therapy. That's it.

But how long is this thing going to go? Why don't they have an election and actually have a vote? You know, I don't know exactly what the, well, I'm wondering if maybe they're holding this open here, Wayne. I'm just spitballing because the Salem Radio Network has been very, has been very quiet. about what they're planning on doing about this. Now, if you're not waking up early, by the way, folks, three to five, the Chris DeGull Show has been on for about the last year, a little more than a year, actually, that we've had this.

And now he's running for Congress in Kansas. And I'm wondering if maybe they're holding that open because there's a possibility maybe he doesn't win that primary. I think that's what he's running for right now. So maybe there is a chance he comes back, Wayne, and maybe this truly is just a temporary. I'm not really sure about that because they haven't been saying much over at that company. That's an interesting theory for conspiracy.

Yeah, yeah. Well, that's one of the reasons people will say, in fact, I had a listener the other day, Wayne, and said, well, you know, you're always yelling about the politicians. Why don't you go run for office? You show them how it's done. And then you take the heat or something like that. And I said, well, I'd have to quit my job, you know, essentially if it's a high-profile position. and if you're independently wealthy, you can quit your job because otherwise you'd have to give, especially if you're running for a federal office,

you would have to give equal time essentially to your opponent on the air. And so you do a three-hour radio show, then your opponent would say, hey, I want three hours, you know, essentially. And I'm kind of simplifying it, but that's why he's not, you know, on the air right now. When is that election? Well, I'm not exactly sure when the, it must be in May sometime, May or June, the Kansas City primaries, or the Kansas. his primary. So, yeah, I'll check that out and get back to you. But yeah, it's interesting. He, you know, maybe they're holding it open because he does a good job on the show. I think he does a very fine job on that 3 to 5 a.m. slot. And I'd like him a lot. Yeah, but on the other hand,

he's thinking that he could do more good within, you know, Congress if he were to move it forward, hard to say. So you like Mark Davis. I like Mark Davis too. And Carl, I'm not as much of a fan of for some reason. I don't know why, but, but I like, I like Mark Davis. I'm with you on that one. Mark, Mark Davis is very, very similar to Chris. I almost can't tell them apart if they were to alternate every every day. Well, Wayne, I'm glad you weigh it in on it. And maybe what I should, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll reach out to the Salem Radio Network and then maybe I'll give you an idea and what they say. Maybe they have an idea and maybe they are holding this open. Maybe they're not really

replacing it because they're still calling it the Christigal show right now. Sure. Yeah. The only other thinger I have for you, Bill, is this very weak, weak excuse for your libertarian, Eric Peters. He's no longer a libertarian and I am a communist. Why is that? He is a full-blown liberal.

Okay. He's disagreeing with President Trump? Does that mark you as a full-blown liberal? Exactly. So Marjorie Taylor Green is a full-blown liberal. Oh, Marjorie Taylor Green, she had the same thing that happened to her as that other gentleman that seems to be in hot water lately. What's his name? Okay, you have Thomas Massey, one of the most conservative voices of conservatism out there for years now, voting no on all. all of this unconstitutional stuff, and he disagrees with President Trump. So he's a liberal, too?

Well, maybe not him. Okay, well, I'm just trying to figure out how did disagreeing with the president? Because I always thought that we're always, because I disagree with the president a lot, too. And I'm not a liberal, but I didn't give him my brain. I just gave him my vote. That's the way I tend to look at this. Yeah, well, Eric does more than disagree. I think he really chops him up.

Okay. All right. Well, you know, Trump is not a libertarian. It'd be something if he said, you know, I disagree with President Trump. That's okay. Yeah. But when he goes into great detail on why he disagrees with him, you're not holding a, you're holding a car show with Eric. You're not holding a political show. Oh, no.

They've always talked politics on that side, too. So he's both, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you disagree with Eric about this. You know, I'm uncomfortable, you know, with where things are going into Trump administration right now. I'll be the first to admit that, Wayne.

And, you know, it's like, and you know what was kind of a shining moment for me and what kind of gives me pause. And I'm wondering, like, who's, you know, what is President Trump thinking about this? Remember the FISA court thing? The FISA court vote? Remember that? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, this is the secret court, secret government court here. President Trump, rightly when he was campaigning, was saying, in the FISA court, in the FISA court. And I said, yes, that's a guy I can get behind because he understands that secret courts don't belong in the United States of America. It never should have been brought in in the first place. Now, and then he put on truth social about 10 days ago, I think, if I recall, that I am willing to give up, you know,

So my rights, you know, our rights, I'm paraphrasing right now. I don't have the quote directly in front of me for our wonderful military and our country, past that FISA bill. So he's trying to save the FISA bill. And it's like that's the sort of stuff that gives some of his supporters or many of his supporters heartburn wing. Can't you see that? Yeah, I understand that.

But maybe the reason he's changed his tune a little bit is that he's gained more than all. being the president and has more secret knowledge that he can't really expose onto why the Pfizer court might be okay. But you see, every president can come up with that kind of excuse. Well, you know, I know so much more now that I have to keep everything secret, you know? It's like. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, so that's why I'm saying. I would just be a little more nuanced about it. At least that's the way I tend to look at it. But I appreciate your call. Wayne, thanks for it, okay? Be well. Thank you. Thank you for your program.

You bet you. 770563. Hi, good morning. KMED. This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, Bill. It's Bicky from the Applegatee. Bickey, take it away. Go ahead. Well, first of all, I think you would be an awesome representative if you could speak your mind like you do on your program. You know darn well, as good as I do, that if you ran for office, you'd be speaking in a... You'd be trying to get your opinion or your voice out there.

And a lot of times people that want to help the United States, want to help the people get shut down, shut out, not listen to. So I think your purpose in life was to be a radio talk host so that you could voice your opinions on good, bad, ugly, and I think you're in the perfect place you're supposed to be. Well, that's kind of the way I look at it too. I really enjoy it and I really appreciate your thoughts there, Dickey. Okay? I like it here. I really do. Well, I think we would, you know, I am an early riser and I look forward. On the weekends, it's almost like, oh, no, Bill. But I do catch your Saturday program that you have on. But no, I think you do a great job. I think you let us say what we want to say. And sometimes you rake us, sometimes you don't, but that's what opinions are all about. Well, that's you know, I'm not going to sit there and beat up anybody, but, you know, of someone, I think we are relatively gentle with one another, as gentle as we can be with occasional nonsense that comes up, okay? You know? Okay, well, I don't hear a bunch of beeping from cussing, so that's a pretty good program, yeah.

All right, thanks you. Thank you very much, Fickey. All right. 633. We'll catch up all the rest of the news here, and then I'm going to talk with a L.A. attorney, the LA attorney, uh, Kent Hicken lively. And interesting, they're talking about catastrophic disclosure. Well, uh, we have disclosure coming out from Steven Spielberg, probably for fun and profit and yeah, lots of profit, I would imagine there too. He's thinking Hollywood is part of the,

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Steven Spielberg for his June release coming out here Disclosure. And it looks like it'll be a big budget, probably a smash, you'll probably do just fine about that. But I guess the question I have this morning, some have raised the issue that they figured that Hollywood has been in on essentially

covering up a lot of what's really been going on when it comes to potential extraterrestrial unidentified aerial phenomenon, UFOs, etc., etc. Why don't you break down the premise of catastrophic disclosure? First off, if you don't mind. Yeah, so catastrophic disclosure is seeming more and more like prophecy to me. Now, a little bit about how I came to write the book.

So I've never written about anything like UFOs, ghosts, you know, but anything like that. And, you know, I usually stick to the, my usual affair is government and corporate corruption. But in 2023, when David Grush and a couple other whistleblowers testified before Congress, I just said to myself, what is going on? Because I've written enough about Congress to know that before you appear before Congress, they vet you pretty thoroughly. So these whistleblowers were saying some amazing things. And I was fortunate enough to have a good friend, Michael Mazzola, who's probably one of the world's leading UFO documentary filmmakers.

And I called him up and I said, Michael, what the heck is going on here? And he said, well, what we're being told behind the scenes is that the military and intelligence agencies are promoting something called controlled disclosure on the UFO issue because they don't want, they fear something called. something called catastrophic disclosure. And that made my ears immediately perk up. And I said, what is catastrophic disclosure? And his response to me was, I don't know. And that really prepared me on, propelled me on this three-year odyssey to write catastrophic disclosure to try and answer that question.

Okay. So we've settled that so far. Catastrophic disclosure, do you have maybe a theory? on what catastrophic disclosure may be after, you know, looking into the whistleblowers in the various testimony. Because I couldn't help but notice. When you saw it coming up on nightly on the Tucker Carlson show, you'd see it like every week on Fox News or something like that.

I remember scratching my head too at the same time, Kent, and I'm thinking something is up that all of a sudden this is, instead of being, you know, called a conspiracy loon or something like that, it's being taken seriously and being treated seriously and being treated seriously in Congress. So what is your theory about catastrophic, if you could? Yeah, well, my background train is as an attorney, which means that you understand that you may probably not know the truth.

And so what you do is you go and talk to all the people who seem to know the truth or at least claim to know the truth. And so I interviewed some of the top UFO experts like Dr. Stephen Greer, Danny Sheehan. I spent some time interviewing journalist Michael Schellenberger, and I spent a lot of time talking to Congressman Eric Berlinson, who he's on the Disclosure Task Force. And what I got from the UFO people is that the UFO issue is being manipulated in a very specific way. Think of a magic trick in which the magician wants to distract you with one hand while they do something else with the other. And the distraction is that there would be a lot of releases from government official sources saying UFOs are real and we don't know what they are. That's the distraction.

So that's the flooding the zone, so to speak, right? Yeah, yeah, flooding the zone, getting you looking in that direction. Hopefully what that does is it keeps you from asking the deeper question of if this is real and the government has, known as real for 70 to 80 years, what have they been doing with it in that time? And that leads to all of the claims of reverse engineering programs. That leads to claims that we have been trying to figure out how to mess up their guidance systems and cause these craft to crash, to recover them, to reverse engineer them, and then potentially to spook the public with, reverse-engineered craft that even confounds our U.S. military. Now, I'm not in a position

to claim that I know whether that's true, but what I always do is I always try to look to a narrative that makes sense to me and explains the world. And it's been interesting because I've had quite extensive discussions with Congressman Berluson, who, you know, proclaims himself to be the skeptic. And I keep saying to him, Eric, when you look at this, doesn't it seem like the intelligence agencies are lying to us for some reason? And they're pushing this alien threat narrative. And, you know, maybe they're hiding what they've been doing for 70 to 80 years. And, you know, he says, yeah, I really can't discount that. You know, I can't say I've seen clear evidence of that. But But even our own Congress critters that are involved in this realize they think that they're being played, or they can't discount it, but they're suspicious of being played by intelligence?

Yeah, yeah, you know, at an very nice conversation with Tim Burchett and which he said basically the same thing. And the problem is that there are genuine people who are trying to get this information out. But the question is, how are we being distracted with them? How is it that, you know, they may say things in Congress, which are just absolutely shocking. And that's why, you know, I always like to go to the official record, which is why I've been looking so closely at the congressional testimony, and then seeing what actually shows up in the media. And the difference is really remarkable. So the truth is out there, because I think that, one of the things that people should take away is that the truth is actually kind of leaky, meaning that stuff leaks out and you can believe in it or at least assign some level of credibility to it. But the question is then how that's going to be manipulated. What I found is that when something truly disturbing comes out in congressional testimony or something, the media just seems to pretend like it doesn't exist.

And I find that interesting. And so, you know, part of, I think, the public's responsibility is to investigate on their own. I mean, for the past 20 years, I've been a science teacher for the state of California. And, you know, like I tell my students, you know, read the material. And so, you know, that's why I put it, write books by catastrophic disclosure today. I'm saying to the public, hey, you have responsibility here. Read these books and then decide what you believe. Kent, I'm going to float a theory to you.

And given the people you've talked to and, you know, whether it's whistleblowers, the Congress people involved in this, you're familiar with talk, I guess, no doubt. You've been hearing about years in which, like the World Economic Forum, World elites, political elites, have been talking about the needs. for a great reset. Are you familiar with that kind of talk? Yeah. All right. And there's too many people and we need to, you know, you need to be in places where you don't own anything, but you're happy and you're eating bugs and you're, you know, you're ready to be pushed around on your mass transit or, you know, whatever, you know, that kind of thing. And what I started thinking when I saw the focus on

UFO reporting, more and more coming out of Congress of all people. This, it reminded me of a government psychological op of some sort in which maybe so-called disclosure will actually be manufactured disclosure. And when I say manufactured disclosure, designed to do what, well, like Project for a New American Century talked about back in the late 1990s when you had the neo-conservative types out there, the Paul Wolfowitz's of the world, that would say, you know, we need a new Harbor to, you know, really get the United States United again and get everybody united. And I can't help but think that some kind of disclosure event would accomplish that.

And is there any meat to that? Is there any, you know, do you think there's some juice to that possible thought that why there seems to be such a focus on this right now, getting everybody lining up? Okay, we'll do what you say, Big Brother. Well, that's what's really interesting because, you know, one of the people I interviewed extensively was Dr. Stephen Greer. And, you know, he can be a little bit of a prickly personality, but I can't really disagree with his assessment of things. And so to hear Dr. Greer talk about it, he says things like, okay, what people aren't getting is that the Tick-Tac incident that was

testified about in Congress that happened off the coast of California in 2004, where it was seen by David Fraver. That was one of ours. The TikToks are ours. And, you know, and I'm saying like, well, what the heck are they doing, you know, playing chicken with the American Navy? And, you know, Greer's response is, well, that's what they want to do because they genuinely want to terrify the American military because this is actually being done by private corporations which have government contracts. And so what they're looking to do is to scare everybody and authentically scare them.

Because what's described is terrifying, you know, craft that can make, you know, right angle turns at thousands of miles per hour, have instantaneous acceleration. And so, you know, to hear people like Greer talk about it, this is something that could absolutely help humanity because we could have essentially free energy. And boy, you know, when you can. Yeah, well, who cares about the straight-to-horamuz if that ends up being the case, right? Exactly. And so, you know, I take this perspective that I don't know if this is true or not, but what I feel is important to do, my obligation as an investigator, is to say, here are leading people who have some measure of credibility.

I mean, Greer's been doing this stuff for 35 years and, you know, has over 700 whistleblower testimony. So I take that very seriously. And so, you know, the question is, who are the monsters? Are the monsters the aliens or are the monsters the deep state? And, you know, the other thing that I run up against is that I'm not convinced that, you know, the aliens may, you know, want the best for us when I hear stories of abduction and everything. So on the other flip side of my brain, I'm going, okay, if the intentions of these creatures are unclear and, you know, potentially hostile, you know, with abductions that people don't want, I'm just as willing to turn around to the deep state and say, thanks for stealing a couple trillion dollars to develop countermeasures against these creatures,

because I don't know if I trust them. So I really don't know where I come down on this, but I just feel like the public needed one book written by somebody who is not necessarily a believer, but is, you know, taking, you know, trying to cover all sides of this issue and say to the public, here you go, here's what everybody's saying, and I think I've represented each side accurately, and let's just keep talking. Okay. Kent Hicken-Lively once again, catastrophic disclosure from Post Hill Press, and I'll link to the information up there. Let me float something else at you, given your knowledge and your skepticism. In other words, you look at it with a skeptic side, which I appreciate. I really do, rather than,

I'm a homer, you know, I just got off. Yep, hook, lot and sinker. you know, you try, you don't want to necessarily go there. What about the craziest thought of all, which might be that rather than, you know, the Tic Tacs being controlled by government intelligence agencies, what if we already have alien control of our governments already? You know, it's a great question. What I tried to do in this book is I was like, okay, I want to stick to the last 80 years of the UFO story, right? Yeah. You know, ever since Roswell, ever since World War II, blowing up the bomb. But my co-author, Michael Mazzola, got very interested and is producing a documentary, for which I'm actually a producer on, about the so-called Peruvian alien mummies.

These are bodies that are over 1,700 years old, and they're three-fingered and three-toed. and preliminary DNA testing shows that they're part human, part chim, and 30% something that's not in earthly DNA. Now, that's rather interesting, wouldn't you say? Well, yeah. And so, you know, suddenly I'm drawn into our deep past, and I'm looking at stories in the Bible of the Nephilim taking human wives. I'm looking at the Sumerians talking about the Anunaki.

And, you know, when I was a kid, I loved reading Eric von Danikins' Chariots of the God. I read that too. Which suggested that they were ancient astronauts. And so, you know, my question is, maybe we need to go back to these ancient stories. And, you know, when you actually go through them, they're not necessarily saying these are great creatures that are coming down. I mean, you know, in the story of the Anunaki, it's basically that if you can read them in a certain way, that says like, holy cow, they're doing genetic tampering with us. And so if it's true that somebody was doing genetic tampering in South America,

1700 years ago, the question is, what were they doing hundreds of thousands of years ago and what they might have they done to homo sapiens? Yeah, and what are they doing right now? It would be the question, right? So like I say, there's a part of me which goes, you know, I got 15% of my brain, which says, thank you Deep State for stealing trillions of dollars to reverse engineer this stuff. Do you think that maybe it's one of those things where if you were doing it out in the open, we would never approve it or we would never think that that would be a good thing to do?

But, of course, I also wonder, though, how much of the defense budgets right now get funneled into that. Any thoughts on that, Kent? Because I know that the president's looking for one and a half trillion for the future budgeting for the military. and, of course, how much of it goes into this? Who knows? It's a question. You know, when the Pentagon can't pass any audits, you wonder, well, jeez, you know, the military seems so efficient in so many ways, and then they can't figure out where their money goes.

So I'm a bit skeptical. I, you know, like I say, I don't have any answers, but I got some really interesting questions that nobody seems willing to answer. But couldn't you agree, though, that, if there was to be truly a catastrophic disclosure, something which is undeniable and would appear to be out of control, would that not be the perfect catalyst for the so-called, yeah, beast system, what they've talked about, the beast system, one world government, that sort of thing. And, you know, we all got to unite because we have to fight them when they might already be involved in the soup, so to speak.

Yeah, well, that is the fear of people like Greer that were being led down this Pirmrose path. to, you know, give up our freedoms. I mean, every government, whether it's right or left, inevitably seems to want to have greater control over people. And, you know, there's no greater control that people will accept than when they're terrified. You know, if you think there's a monster in the neighborhood, you aren't going to look too closely at the actions of the police. And so I'm very vigilant for that possibility.

Okay. I'm glad to know that you're thinking that way. I think you have to be open to the possibilities of the world governments, maybe certain parts of it being in cahoots. That's the part that I've always been wondering about, and what better way to manipulate us into this? Because I felt like we've been getting played the last three or four years, and that's kind of what you're thinking, too,

that it seems obvious. Like it's like transparently opaque. in one way or another. Yeah, and so, you know, what I'm doing is that I'm looking at the information. I mean, you know, all of my books have three to 400 footnotes at the end of the book. So it's thoroughly documented. And even though it's thoroughly documented, I can't tell you it's true, but I can say, hey, there's some level of credibility.

Here I talk to, you know, this congressman, I talk to this journalist who's, well-known. I talk to this leader in the field, and this is what they tell me. And, you know, I invite the audience to make up their own decisions. Catastrophic disclosure. Where's the best place to get that? Best place is Amazon, Barnes & Noble, anyplace books are sold. All right, very good. I'm going to buy a copy of it. I talked to you back in November, and I was so busy with other things, I didn't buy a copy of the book now. And so now that we're seeing more focus on this than ever before, I think it's worth taking a look at. And I appreciate you, Kent, being on, okay?

Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I write a book with the title Catastrophic Disclosure and the world's greatest filmmaker, Stephen Spielberg, comes out with a movie called Disclosure Day. So I'm hoping to link those two ideas in people's mind, you know, this is a book you must read before seeing Disclosure Day. Well, it's good marketing, right? It's what you're going to do. All right.

Kent, a pleasure. Thanks talking to me. And like I said, I can see why Deep State would want to be involved in this, but I'm just concerned that what we've been getting so far is a limited hangout. Would you agree? Yeah. Which is just a classic, classic psychological law from the intelligence agencies, isn't it? That's what they? Very much.

But it's like a husband who decides to reveal to his wife that, oh, he's just cheated once. You know, one of the things that it kind of made me laugh is that, you know, the government releases this historical report on UFOs saying that they've investigated UFOs 26 times. And, you know, I've been married 31 years. And if I found out my wife had hired 26 detectives over the years to see if I was cheating on her, I'd say she had a problem with trust. Yeah, exactly. Kent, a pleasure. Thanks talking. And we'll have you back for sure, all right.

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Sponsored by Lithia Body and Paint on Bullock Road in Medford. This is News Talk 1063, KMED. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. And they're on KMED and KMED, HD1, Eagle Point Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. And like I said, I don't go much into the alien stuff for the most part. But I have been feeling, in my opinion, that what we've been experiencing is some kind of a psychological op, conditioning us for something bigger, maybe even a bigger psychological op. That is my conspiracy theory Thursday, you know, take on it. That's why I was talking with Kent Hickenloop, the author of Catastrophic Disclosure.

Now, I talked with other people, people of faith who believe that the alien phenomenon is actually part of the beast system of sorts and that we're dealing with demons. There's something that's interesting about that. I can't prove it, you know, one way or the other. But what we can't say is that especially when you have Professor Greer talking about the Tic Tac, the Tic Tac UFOs are actually ours. In other words, implying that it's part of government intelligence. And it's actually dangled out there in front of the military to say, oh, we can't do anything about it, right?

And get everybody all wound up. And, you know, maybe the Iran war, you know, the Iran War doesn't scare us enough, right? You know, the thought of the Mullahs with a nuke or two just doesn't, isn't enough fear. Are we going to be spun up on that? I don't know. I just thought it would just mention it. You know, we're not all that impressed with the fear of the nuclear weapons with the mullos to the same extent. But, boy, I tell you, if the world governments end up unveiling the, you know, the so-called alien technology, that might get us stirred up, right, and get us increasing military budgets and spending because we have to fight.

the next war. When do you think about that? Maybe we talk about that or anything else on your mind. It is conspiracy theory Thursday. Whatever you're into, we will. We'll continue to talk about that. Hey, coming up a little bit later this hour, I just want to give you a heads up here that the Oregon prescription drug affordability board, this is some intelligence on the ground here. They're holding up some community forums, or they're going to be putting these on, rather, and they're looking for people who have been really messed up by prescription drug prices, high prescription drug prices. Now, I didn't even know that this board existed, but the executive director is going to be calling me. I guess it was created in the 2021 legislative session.

So we'll have that on the way here and see what they're all about because, yes, some of the drugs, well, some of the drugs that they're talking about, and they're going to be really investigating more or like key Trudeau, which is a cancer treatment, cancer treatment, immunotherapy, humulin, jardians for diabetes, a whole bunch of other things. And what I found interesting is that when Linda had cancer a number of years ago, the markers were perfect for Ketruta. And my insurance wouldn't cover Ketruda. They wouldn't do that because you know how much each bag of it costs? $30,000. Whoa!

could not believe at $30,000 for each bag, for each treatment bag, over at the cancer bunker, over with Asante. The insurance would cover the ability to put it in, but it wouldn't cover the drug itself. And so Linda's oncologist ended up fighting and going to the mat and got her into a keytrudus study. And frankly, it's what I ended up saving her. And otherwise, I wouldn't be able to talk about my lovely wife today.

but still $30,000 a bag. And, you know, several weeks of, you know, of those treatments, like once every couple of weeks is just amazing. I had no idea. Stuff like that could cost so much. But that's what this board is looking into, and we'll talk with him at about a half hour, all right? Dave's here.

Hello, Dave. Morning. Yeah, so Bill, this is just an estimate that I could Google. They spend $75 billion for the fiscal year, 2026, in black projects. But because of the defense department can't pass their audits, they don't know where the money went. They know damn good and well that it went into black projects. Yeah, so that's how they end up paying for the Tick-Tac UFOs, you're guessing. Right.

And I'm glad for your wife that you got that treatment. Oh, I am too. But wants to cancer. To me, that was like a gift from God as far as I'm concerned when that oncologist, when the surgeon just went to the mat and said, no, she needs this and did this. But, you know, but still, $30,000 a bag and then how many times it probably has to be given, you know, 10, 12 times. So there, you're at $4 or $5 million. Right. But, you know, with the Black Projects, Bill, UFOs, or what?

whatever the hell you want to call them, are just black projects, Bill. And because while when my family was in the defense industry, Bill, there was stuff back in the 60s that's just sitting, you know, that they funded, that they know work, but they didn't have the network to make them work like they do now. And so a lot of these projects are just being, you know, taken off, you know, like, you When I tell people, you know, you don't think that those 19 guys flew those planes into 9-11. What about, you know, drone pilots flying those in? That makes much more sense, given the degree of precision that would have been needed to accomplish what they did, right?

Right, right, right. And because, you know, it was like three or four months later they came out with, you know, some guy built a drone and, you know, they could do surveillance. Well, they've always had some kind of remote control, you know, well, they've had automatic pilots. And now we can go buy drones at Costco, right, and Best Buy. Yeah. All right.

Thanks, Dave. I appreciate it. We'll keep that topic or anything else on your mind open because it is conspiracy theory Thursday. KMED, KMED, H.D. H.1. Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grads Pass. Fox News next. Here's the trick you likely didn't know a dog.