Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 04-24-25_THURSDAY_7AM

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

04-24-25_THURSDAY_7AM

The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling dot com. 12 minutes after seven, I do believe this is Jim, right? Is that your name, Jim? This is Tim. Oh, Tim. OK. Hey, Tim. What are you thinking this morning? You want to the way in on the resignation of Simon here?

It's a yeah. But the first reason why I called, they called earlier this morning because your signal is cutting out here. It's a... Yeah, but the first reason why I called, I called really early this morning because your signal is cutting out here. So it looks like you'll get 99, 95 percent of the time you'll hear it and then all of a sudden the sound will go out and then go back on. So something's wrong with your tower or something like that. Okay, well I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll reset the connection between here and the Grants Pass signal. Okay. Thank you for that letting us know I tend to do that every few days anyway, okay The main thing I think is that just you got a way to the death title

It's not going to know the truth until then anyway, so why jump on board on either side? Just kind of wait and see I don't see any sense of this because all you're going to do is make rash decisions And there's not going to be any good coming from it. So I just see, wait and see. We'll see what happens. I trust Ron Smith and Chris Burnett. I do really know them well enough to know that they're honest and they are what they say they are. So I'm not worried about it. So that's kind of where I'm coming from. I'm looking at this from, you know, I'm just concerned that much like we used to see in the city of Gold Hill and various other things, ready, fire, aim, right? You know, that kind of

thing. Circular firing squad. Exactly, circular firing squad. And the board, and by the way, it is a freshman board, it's not a great place to be, there's no institutional memory there right now, it's not like any of them have been in there. And that's why I was concerned about the John West recall, and I'm not saying either a good or bad thing about John West, but he was the only one that had served in there up to that point, I'm thinking, oh boy, now we're gonna have three people who have never served. And there is a process involved and there is a learning curve to it and it's a tough one. It really is.

Yeah, I realized that with Herman Bartschiger, he explained that really well and when John West was before he was recalled, he said, you know, I'm resigning because I know that, you know, I felt he felt that John West was gonna be able to take the helm. And, you know, Lily Morgan upset the West was going to be able to take the helm. And, you know, Lily Morgan upset the apple cart, of course, and for no good reason either. And I wish that John West was able to be successful in his suit against her because she did a lot of damage here, really a lot of damage. Yeah, I'm not going to speak to that in any way, but there are differences of opinion between even the Republicans in both Jackson

and Josephine County. I wish there wasn't as much infighting as we have right now, but I do agree with you that I think it'd be smarter right now. The poor board hasn't even been in there 100 days, crying out loud. Take a breath before you turn the circular firing squad on and then we'll see. Yeah, exactly. It's just ridiculous. I appreciate the call. Thanks for making it, Tim. Take a breath before you turn the circular firing squad on and then we'll see. Yeah, exactly. It's just ridiculous.

Hey, appreciate the call. Thanks for making it, Tim. Over in Merlin, it's a quarter after seven. Handing these updates coming up. Hi, this is Lisa. Wireless by Americans for Americans. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on Southern Oregon's Home for Conservative Talk. Mornings on KMED at 99.3 KBXG. Call Bill at 770-5633 at 770-KMED.

Here's Bill Meyers. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday, and I enjoy open phone time on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. I was supposed to talk with Ann Vandersteel about this call for, hey, Deep State is winning. What is President Trump going to do about this, et cetera, et cetera? But we'll reschedule this because she ended up just having a little bit of a problem. But I did mention we were going to have that. But one way or the other, I'm even happier at this point to take your calls and whatever

happens to be on your mind because it is Conspiracy Theory Thursday and there are a lot of conspiracies flying out there. There's the conversation coming out of Josephine County, Simon Hare, former commissioner but former budget committee member who ended up resigning late Tuesday night and it was spammed. I ended up getting that letter. I didn't know it because it was in my spam. Oh, there it is. There it is. You know, I love it. The spam doesn't keep the erectile dysfunction pills from coming into my inbox sometimes, but it does. But it keeps the Simon Hare letter from coming through. But I don't know. I'm just kind of, when it comes to this Josephine County board and all of the drama and the smoke in the air, I just think it would be wise maybe just to hold back and I know that there is a lot of

politics involved in this. There are people maneuvering on power. That's just the way power is. Give them a chance, I guess. I would say the same thing. Give them a chance even though I see, well, just like with President Trump, I see him doing things that just go, oh, I don't know if I agree with it. And then people say, Bill, give them a chance even though I see, well just like with President Trump, I see him doing things that just go, oh I don't know if I agree with it. Then people say, Bill give them a chance. I kind of feel that same way and I'm not trying to defend anyone but I'm trying to avoid the

circular firing squad and boy I have to tell you I don't think there's anyone better than Republicans at circular firing squads usually. I feel like herding cats. Republicans at circular firing squads usually, right Yeah, like herding cats 20 minutes after 7 7 7 0 5 6 3 3 7 7 ok med By the way, the Attorney General Dan Rayfield is Leading a lawsuit against the Trump administration. What do you think about this one? And I'll be going to the phones here just a minute. So if you're on hold, I'll get right to you. Don't worry

But Oregon leads a lawsuit here And I'll be going to the phones here in just a minute, so if you're on hold, I'll get right to you. Don't worry. But Oregon leads a lawsuit here, this is from their press release, filed by 12 attorneys general to block illegal tariffs that are increasing prices and inflicting chaos on the American economy. He filed a multi-suit lawsuit, this is Dan Rayfield, to block President Trump's tariffs. The case challenges four of President Donald Trump's executive orders that claim the power to increase tariffs worldwide without congressional action. When a president pushes—this is a quote from him, by the way—when a president pushes an unlawful policy that drives up prices at the grocery store and spikes utility bills, we don't have the luxury of standing by. Especially when so many Oregonians live on fixed income," said Rayfield.

These tariffs hit every corner of our lives from the checkout line to the doctor's office, and we have a responsibility to push back. Oh, you mean there's actually a Democrat that cares about the prices going up at the grocery store or spikes in utility bills. I mean, the Democrats have been in charge of spiking utility bills for years. Wow! It's so great. Oh, Dan Rayfield, you are my hero.

Does this mean you're going to repeal all the gangrene garbage, which has boosted power rates here in Oregon? You're going to allow coal-fired power plants to reopen again at 2 to 3 cents a kilowatt hour rather than forcing everybody to to pay 17 18 cents a kilowatt hour. No, no he's probably not doing that. Yeah, carbon. I don't know. The thing is though, these Democrats that have filed these lawsuits including Dan Rayfield, they may win. They may win only because constitutionally I'm going back to that pesky constitution, constitutionally tariffs are considered taxes and raising revenue is something which has to originate in the Congress.

That's usually the way it has been done. I know there are some emergency laws that President Trump has claimed for the authority to do tariffs on his own. But I don't know, they may have some traction here, don't you think? You can talk about that too. 770-5633, a lot in the air this morning. Let me go to first line. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, good morning, Bill. This is Sherm. Sherm, how are you doing this morning? What are you thinking? What's up? Hey, very good. I have two quick issues I want Sherm. Sherm, how are you doing this morning? What are you thinking? What's up?

Hey, very good. I have two quick issues I want to mention. Number one, coming to this country with 15 or so million illegals here, a friend of mine's niece wanted to come here from the Philippines. She was going to come here and get married. Her aunt lives here in Eagle Point. And she was denied being able to come to this country even though she had a place to live, was going to get married here and tried to become a green card holder etc. So denied entry into this country, one person. Does that make sense? No, it does not make sense if it is the way you describe this. Oh, absolutely.

And it was going to cost a whole lot of money just getting her here. So that's one of my points. And this is implying then that even the rules to come in legally are not necessarily proper? Is that where you're going at, Sherm? There's definitely something wrong. The American embassy denied her a visa to come to this country. Did they give a reason to deny or do they just say no denied? No denied as I understand it. Okay, all right. What else do you have on your mind? Number two. The Russian War. I will tell you this, I will talk about it now a

little bit. When I was in the military, I worked for NSA, SPD in Europe, National Security Agency, a place called the short term was Wild Boar. The project was compromised, but I'm going to tell you, I'll talk about it a little bit now because of that compromising. Took one person, by the way, look it up, the guy's name was Prime, years after I was there. But I'm very concerned about the Russians and the situation in Ukraine. We're supplying weapons to the Ukraine, and those missiles and weapons are being used against the Russians. The Russians are only going to take so much. I have a lot of respect for the Russians.

We cannot continue this war. Trump is correct. It has to be solved. Let me ask you then, because of the bone of contention right now, and I'm not a Ukrainian expert, okay, so just take it as a little baby Ukrainian question, all right? Let me just do this. Okay. JD Vance, of course, has been making a statement here. He warned that Moscow and Kiev have to strike a deal, have to strike a deal, and this has to do with the Crimea. Ukraine doesn't want to give up Crimea. Crimea, of course, mostly Russian-speaking citizens, from the way it's been described to me. Okay, now remember, I'm just a baby foreign policy analyst. This is not my big

wheelhouse. Okay? Okay. Do you believe that this should be a forcing issue in order to end the war, the Ukrainian war, that okay? Sorry, Volodymyr Zelensky, we're going to yank your aid, we're not going to allow you to pound this. Russia is going to get Crimea, that's just the way it goes. Or do you think there's another way? What do you think should be done here? Oh, it's a tough one. There's no question about it on Crimea. What I am going to say is this. The Crimea apparently historically has been Russian. Yes.

Okay. And that's definitely an issue. So there is a natural bond of those people friendlier to Russia than to the Ukraine. I'm afraid so, Bill. But going beyond that point is the idea that we somehow have entered this war and now we're involved heavily with the Ukrainians. And so here we are, deeply involved in a major European war. You know, most Americans don't even know we're at war.

They have no idea. We have a major European war going right now. But it's through the back door. But it's through the back door, that's why. Well, yeah, I guess so. But most Americans are blind to what's going on around them anyway. I'll be honest about it. But I've been out of the country and worked in intelligence and in the network and been involved in things. But most Americans

just aren't paying attention to what's going on. Well, I do see a lot of those, especially certain sections of East Medford, which I see support Ukraine. I see a lot of that going on. I see support Ukraine. What do you think about that? All those support Ukraine signs? Well, clearly, you know, politically we are because we're supplying missiles and weaponry to Ukraine. You know, we're involved in that regard, absolutely. But do I think that Americans really understand what's going on here and what's at risk. You know, we're talking the Russians, they were equal to us and I think they still are. Nuclear-wise they are. They got 5,000 nukes, just like we do. Yeah, economically not quite as strong as we are, but certainly

militarily it's not a slouch. I guess. What you're cautioning then is caution with a nuclear power, correct? Absolutely. I don't think we have any choice. We don't have all the cards, huh? We have to work with the Russians as a nuclear power and an equal to us. Those Russians aren't wimps and they're a proud people and we just can't continue this war. We just can't continue it. Trump is correct. We got to stop this stuff. I was kind of saddened what happened over the last eight, nine years here, Shurm, when it came to

Russia because I realized that probably the deepest rivalry or adversary we're facing is Communist China still. And yet I know that we rolled the gates open, most favored nation trading status and all the rest of it. And I remember when Trump came in the first time and there was talk about a rapprochement. And I'm not saying that Vladimir Putin is a great guy. I would never say that. I mean, you know, he's one of these people who knows how to use policy, who knows how to use political power for sure. And he is a former KGB Colonel.

Okay. So you always have to consider that source. But I was so hoping that there was going to be some kind of a rapprochement during that first Trump administration. And it felt like that was designed to go away as soon as Russia, Russia, Russia happened. Not because I thought Russia was a good people, but I thought that there would be a more natural fit between Russia and the United States. You know, just the, just cultures would be

a little more easy to combine, rather than forcing them into the arms of the Chinese, which I think is what we've been doing for a number of years, don't you? Well, I'll tell you what I do think. I think the Russians are a more stable people. And like I said, I have a lot of respect for them coming from the business I was involved in for three and a half years

Absolutely. I you know these Russians they're more westernized no quick. There was no question about that But I also think that most Russians are very honorable people and I'll be honest with you. I don't trust the Chinese All right. I appreciate your take on it. Sure. Thank Thank you for making the call on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. It's a good conspiracy, OK? All right. Take care, Sherm. 729. One of each, K4, VIN 0165518.

It's the Bill Meyers Show on KMED, Southern Oregon's Place to Talk. Failing newspapers are absolutely giddy at the possibility of getting more of our money funneled to them via the state legislature. I'm gonna talk with Kevin Stern about that at Oregon Firearms Federation. He's keeping an eye on the legislature for us. You know, I get too depressed when I look at what's going on with the legislature, so Kevin helps me laugh about it. Like, ha ha ha ha! Oh, like oh we're doomed it is I'm just

kidding okay hopefully we're not doing just baby baby doomed that's all it's a 732 but afternoons we'll talk about that coming up service is the difference with sweet water sanitation calm hi I'm Paul Strander with Valley View Nursery and I'm on KMED I appreciate you being Conspiracy Theory Thursday and who better to bring on on Conspiracy Theory Thursday than Kevin Starrett, Oregon Firearms Federation, but for once we're actually not talking about firearms. How you doing this morning, Kevin? Welcome back.

Good to have you on. Thank you, Bill. Kevin, you tend to feed me a lot of interesting news stories coming out of the state legislature because you have much stronger stomach or a much stronger stomach than I do and I just get depressed when I see what's going on and frankly there's enough depressing stuff in the world and so I try to look away it's kind of like you know avert your gaze you know don't watch the state legislature you do anyway and I admire you for that I just wanted to you know preface our little conversation with this okay I do so you don't have to.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're kind of a media research center in the state of Oregon instead. Now, the state of Oregon is actually wishing to prop up failing legacy newspapers, of which there are many in the state of Oregon. Now, I actually subscribe to a number of newspapers here,

including the Rove Rogue Valley Times, Daily Courier, Oregon Eagle, and I even, just so I can get access to the stories, even O-Live. So I send all these people money. And the only one that I'm really happy about is Oregon Eagle. Okay, that's the only one I'm happy about. But here we are, they want money. And how do they want the state to give them money? Well, the way they're promoting this is that digital platforms and or things like, you

know, digital search engines, Google, or even even, you know, like social media pages are stealing money from these failing newspapers by posting links to them. So if you post a link to a story from a failing newspaper and actually drive readers to them, their position is as you're stealing their money because your platform has advertising on it. Now the fact is is that what's really happening here is that people are posting links you know on Facebook or whatever that drive viewers to these pages. And I've done that with lots of stories. I'll take their here's a story and then and it's

a link because I think it's an interesting story. I'll summarize it briefly and say here's the source. Okay. What's wrong with that? They do it to themselves. I sent you an email yesterday with some links where TV stations who are also complaining will link their stories and other quote news outlets will link to this was first reported in another, like the Oregonian, which is now a crappy real estate rag, will say this was first reported by Willamette Week with a link to Willamette Week. Willamette Week will post something from some major gay outlet, post it as news, and they're reposting everybody's stuff all the time. So they're doing that.

But also, what this really is about is personal aggrandizement because the people who are testifying were saying, oh, you know, we're not making as much money as we want to, or I went to school to be a journalist and now I can't make a lot of money. Lisa Reynolds complains she's a house rep, her son's a reporter, and she wants him to be able to make more money. But if you really listen to the testimony, particularly from the legislators who are propping this thing up, what this is really about is protecting the people in the fake news business who lie to us endlessly the reason these media outlets are failing is because they're garbage and because they've been lying to us forever and now because of alternative outlets people are more aware

of it I sent you a news story that was printed in the Oregonian about an. An event that took place in Idaho and the way they posted it was a legislative forum that this poor young woman was dragged out of because the Republicans didn't like her there. And so they had her attacked and dragged out here. And I read that same article, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, okay, so this is a public meeting, right? You know, public meeting, and she was dragged okay, so this is a public meeting, right?

You know, public meeting and she was dragged out kicking and screaming or whatever it is. And the sheriff here got involved. By the way, I invited them on. I haven't heard back from the Republican fellow who was, you know, part of that, part of that story. Well, what really happened was it was a private meeting. It was a Republican meeting. Yes.

This woman was trespassing. She was asked multiple times to leave and refused. She and others were disrupting the meeting. In other words, it was the pink pussy hat type of people, right? The police refused to respond. The sheriff's deputies asked the private security to help them remove this woman who attacked the people who

were asking her to leave. All of this was left out of the story in the Oregonian. It was all lies. Yesterday, I watched an interview that Sean Berger did with a guy who wrote a book about COVID, and much of it was about how the media blatantly hid the truth about stuff that was going on, even when they knew it.

The fact is is that the reason these media outlets are failing is because there reason these media outlets are failing is because there are other outlets which are telling people the truth and people are tired of being lied to. So what this really is is an effort to extort money from the people who are making money to give to the people who are failing because they're doing such a crappy job. But on top of that, the legislators understand that these legacy outlets are controlled and feeding us lies and garbage and they want to protect that. That is really the purpose here because some of the testimony was about how all these digital

platforms the only thing that's keeping us safe from the lies and misinformation is your local newspaper and you can find endless examples of local newspapers. This is a nationwide issue that are completely controlled left-wing garbage. So the one more attempt to socialize things, to take money from the producers and the people who are making it, give it to the people who are not only failing economically for reasons, you know, times have changed. You know, there, this testimony up on the website about this bill from Samuel Morse. Oh, by the way, before we go on, I just want to let people know this is Senate Bill 686 that we're talking

about. We forgot to mention that in the beginning of this. And you were talking about then, Kevin Starrett, some of the uploaded comments or testimony on Senate Bill 6 six which would give money to Failing newspapers in the state of Oregon millions of dollars. This is basically they're punishing the people who are driving visitors to these crappy websites and there was there wasn't much testimony against the bill because obviously the deck is stacked but there were people there was a woman who was testifying and said, look, they've tried this in Canada and they tried it, I believe, in New Zealand.

And the smaller outlets were crushed because nobody was seeing their stuff. And the fact is, is that what this is about, once again, is stealing money from people who found a way to make it, to give it to people who aren't making it because nobody wants their product. Kevin, stare at me with me, Oregon Firearms Federation. And you said that there were some funny names of people who uploaded testimony. You got to tell the folks about that, Kevin.

It cracks me up. There's testimony from Samuel Morse complaining that his telegraph is no longer making money and that something has to be done about telephones and emails because now people can get messages without having it tapped out and driven to someone on horseback. There's testimony from Fred Flinstone. There was testimony from Gutenberg about how his press is no longer, you know, the main thing that's providing news.

But this is satire, of course. But the fact is, is that it's probably not even constitutional. And imagine... Well, while something being unconstitutional in Oregon, Kevin, doesn't seem to matter much, all you have to do is look at Measure 114. Well, what I think is going to be interesting about this is they're taking on really big very very rich players And so a lot of the testimony was well Google makes too much money and they make a billion dollars a day And this okay, that's true. I'm not defending Google

I think Google can be flat-out evil but let the market let the market, you know prevail here The fact is is that when. When they passed one for now they're passing one fourteen the gun bill legislatively. Unconstitutional but they'll get away with it because. Gun owners don't have endless

resources. We take on Google and meta and these other places this is not going to go as well and the state is going to fail. At the reality is is that. The people they're going after are. Not really the problem the problem that the people they're going after are not really the problem the problem is the

people are putting out a product that it are that's failing because it's garbage. And they're protecting the controlled media that repeats the garbage. That they want you to hear you know when we were when we were going through

COVID and the media was flat out ignoring all the evidence from other places that the things that we were being. You know. Of course to do we're failing you know did you ever see a story in any of the legacy media during COVID that pointed out that at no point the Kate Brown miss a paycheck? At no point did anybody who, you know, the people that are now calling, you know, the laptop class, who got to work from home. We saw nothing like that the entire time. Local television said very little about that. Local newspapers certainly did not.

If you would try to write into your local newspaper and criticize what was going on, you were immediately either censored or kicked out or just ignored is really how that worked. That's how it works. What's been going on for decades, probably generations in these crappy old news outlets and look, there's crappy new outlets. There's stuff online that's garbage. There's no question, but there's always been stuff in the legacy media that was garbage.

And the fact is people will pay for quality product. You know, I think I said to you yesterday that interview that was on the on Schellenberger substack. Well you pay for them and I pay for it I pay for it because it's great stuff it's informative it's true and I learned stuff.

I'm not going to pay for the Oregonian which is a a basically a garbage real estate rag now. And if and the fact is is that most of these outlets that are complaining that people are stealing their content are behind paywalls that if you really want to see it, you have to pay for it anyway. So it's not like you're getting to see their stuff for free

if they don't want you to see it. However, there is one thing I wanted to question this. The way that I have seen it though, is that Google's spiders or bots though have done a pretty good job in many cases of, I would dare say, hijacking some of the legacy media content in my opinion, at least the way I've seen that sort of stuff. And frankly, even courts are starting to rule that, yeah, they are operating as a monopoly at this point.

And it's no longer possible to compete as legacy media. But they've kind of leveraged their monopoly power in this particular case. So I can't say that Google is completely innocent in this. But nor do I think that Google should be paying local newspapers. And this whole idea of sharing a link is somehow stealing someone's content, but everything about the web is a link.

We link to everything else here. That's how you share something. It's in which, hey, take a look at this. Here it is. All right? I don't get that part. That's what has made the internet the internet. Now, there was testimony that kind of echoed what you're saying that Google and maybe other outlets are somehow hijacking

this. It wasn't clear to me how they were doing that. In other words, are they but you know if you look at what the legacy media is doing, they're doing the exact same thing anyway. There's very little of their own reporting. They'll go and take, oh we saw, we're reporting what the Oregonian reported, or we're reporting what Willamette Week reported, or etc. It just goes in there. Everyone's just rehashing what somebody else originally rehashed, right? And they're making money off of it. Of course, you know, they're taking the reporting that someone else has done, and they're making money off. But every, every newspaper, every reporter, whether it be TV or,

or a newspaper or whatever, they're generating their revenue out of the material that they frequently like. They do an interview with man on the street. Okay. Now if they've, if they, now I don't talk to the legacy media anymore, but when I did, their interviews with me were put in their paper and their paper generated revenue off it I didn't get anything from that if in fact outlets are stealing content that's a copyright issue and that can be addressed that way but if every state comes along like Oregon wants 118 million dollars to give to these failing newspapers not exactly sure how people

are going to get it because they haven't finished amending them. Well, yeah, that's why I was going to ask you. So Senate Bill 686, they want 110 million. So they get $110 million. They extract it out of what Google and Meta and the other online purveyors here or purveyors of peace or what? The most recent amendment, the Dash 3 amendment, has this very complicated formula for who gets paid and who has to pay. And so it's clearly specifically directed at a very, very tiny market of people that they want to get this money from. Where this money is going to go, who knows?

Because there's another amendment coming along and we'll see. But in the end, if this kind of thing is done, imagine every every state in the country going to these big tech outlets and saying, you got to give us $118 million that we're going to distribute to people whose product is garbage and failing. The only upside to this that I see, and like I said, if if these electronic outlets are stealing stuff and it can be demonstrated that they're stealing any more than the newspapers are stealing to begin with or the new or the TV stations are stealing to begin with that can be handled through copyright. But to suggest that oh my gosh you know Facebook is going

to have to now ban you from posting links to any news outlet, which is in fact, you know, an enormous part of what those social media outlets do. Yeah, well, it's incessant or essentially rather, pardon me here, Kevin, it's essentially free advertising for the local news outlet if you post a link to it. That's what I always the way I always looked at it. Isn't that right? It might it might drive a lot of people to a forum that they would have never seen otherwise. In fact, you know, I mean, look, every time there's an event that has to do with gun rights, we do an alert. That alert is then posted on our website.

The Oregonian and other news outlets frequently just take cut and paste stuff from our website. Well, you know what? That's fine with me. That's expanding our audience. Now, should I get some of that $118 million from them because they're just typing my material? That's exactly what this is about. But in addition to just stealing from the rich to pay the non-producers, what it really is about is to continue to control the information that the people get, because for decades we've been able to feed them nothing but lies and now we wanna keep it that way.

And now you have alternatives, okay. All right, let's see. I would imagine that the rules would end up being such that would it only be the left-wing organizations that might qualify for the money the newspaper subsidy in a Senate bill six eight six do you think or would they be pretty fair I mean sure it will be because there are conservative outlets now and almost all of those are online because they've recognized that this is the platform that people want to

use and they found a way. To do it and stay in business there's testimony up there from local news producers whose- whose forum is all web based. This is this is how it works now you know people don't get you. I if you pick up the Oregonian now which

I think is three dollars. It's like three pages of nothing it's garbage nobody wants it. But there are millions of millions many many news sources out there that are local. That are I mean there are. A community news outlets there's all kinds

of else that may or may not be accurate but no more or less accurate than the garbage we've been subjected to for decades. And they're making it work. And they're making it work because they really want to share the information and the testimony from these people who are complaining because, hey, I went to college and I, you know, I'm $60,000 in debt with my journalism degree from PSU. And by God, I want,

I want to get some of that money. We don't care about you people. You're going to make me call Richard Emmons now over at the Oregon Eagle, here in Southern Oregon. I'd like to get his opinion on this too, if he's in favor of this particular bill. Something tells me maybe not, but I'll get back to you. I think that'd be great. If you get a chance, look at some of the testimony that's up there. There are people who are running local news outlets and saying we generate this because we we want to produce a product that people can use. And you're

free to to either look at it or not look at it if they I mean there's there's a lot of online news sites that generate revenue through advertising just the way newspapers always did. They have adapted to changing circumstances. And you have and now if anything there's a far greater range of information so instead of being subjected to just the lies from NBC CBS the

Washington Post and the New York Times. You have a choice to pick from other other outlets. But these other outlets which are a collection of frauds and are failing because they didn't adapt. Now want to extort money from... It's not really that they think that these other platforms are

necessarily evil. It's these other platforms have money and that's where they're going. You go where the money is. Okay. All right. So if Google didn't have money, they wouldn't care at this point. I don't think so. All right. Very good. Hey, Kevin, I appreciate the take on it. Thank you for watching some of the stuff being done at the legislature because I've had so many weird things going on around here that I've just been too depressed to look at the legislature sometime. But thank you very much. Is there anything else that the legislature is doing that, of course, I don't even know if I want to open that up because you'd be here for the next two hours. You don't want to go there, Bill. Okay, I

don't want to go there. Thank you. I will avert my gaze. Kevin Sterritt, Oregon Firearms Federation. Thanks Kevin. Be well. Thank you Bill. OregonFirearms.org 754.