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This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Glad to have you here, 7705633 to join in. It is 12 minutes after 6 on Friday, April 24th. And yeah, it's going to be a nice weekend, maybe a little shower or two, but that's about it. And I'm going to be out weed whacking and putting down black plastic.

That's going to be my honey-dew this weekend. I tried to get to that a few weeks ago, and then the rain started for a while, and then just the weekends got a little wetter, and I just wasn't able to do this because, and I'll tell you, I can't make the things grow that I like in my home, at my home, but, you know, boy, when it comes to the cheek grass, all the thick grass, you know, that grass will grow a foot in a week, I swear. It's just nuts.

And anyway, so I got to get that all tamped down, and get it away. I figure it's going to be probably an early fire season, too. You just don't want a lot of unwatered or dry grass around the property. I think that's just the way that is going. Speaking of which, the governor ended up signing an executive order yesterday, 2607, and a drought emergency declared in Jackson County, along with a bunch of other ones. We actually have nine counties in Oregon under drought emergency,

and Governor Kotech ended up signing those orders in recent time. City of Ashland is now saying, hey, we would like residents to cut back, and you could figure that was coming. And if they start drawing down the reader reservoir, they're thinking that they're going to be in more trouble sooner rather than later, even with the inner tie with Medford. So I think it's pretty wise that we start thinking about trying to find a way to maybe not water the long quite so often. Well, you know what? I've talked about the Bermuda grass in my yard. I just wanted to go out there. Just pour concrete on the whole thing.

Pour concrete and then I'll be done with it. I'd be willing to bet you that the Bermuda grass would still just break through the concrete and come up. That stuff is just insidious. You know, man. There's some of the other headlines going on today. Oregon Health Science University turns a profit after losing millions, thanks to lucrative specialized care. This is an interesting story.

It's in Oregon Live. and says after losing more than $130 million last year, OHSU this week posts a $65 million operating gain over the past nine months. And they're ahead of the curve. They're actually doing okay right now. And Malin Patel says that this is a stabilization period. By the way, he's OHSU's a senior vice president of finance, you know, the money guy there. And he says that OHSU leaders say the turnaround is being driven by a surge.

in more lucrative, complex cases, patients with serious conditions who need specialized treatment and in turn bring higher reimbursement. And they're not being very specific about this. But anyway, they say that treating those cases have long been OHSU's bread and butter, drawing on expertise in technology that most other Oregonian or Oregon hospitals don't have. But what I find interesting, they're being kind of quiet about what are. specifically they mean by this because remember the other thing we've known about oh hsu is that this has been like one of the biggest gender transition hospitals and i can't help it wonder

if maybe they're being rather vague on what all this specialized care is because well you know we don't want to talk about all the kids were mutilating and all the crazy adults that are coming in there and uh wanting to have this surgery so that uh we are forced to believe in absurdities, you know, that kind of thing, that a man can become a woman just because we cut a few body parts off and suppress or add a few hormones here or there. You know, that's all we are. We're just little meat sacks to be formed the way OHSU doctors or surgeons. I mean, that's a big part of OHSU's money.

I remember reading about that a few years ago, but that was soft-pedaled. I don't see any mention about that in this particular deal, but OHSU becoming a profitable hospital because could it be because of gender affirming care? Well, it could be that along with other things, but they don't say. And the fact that they don't say, given that they were talking about it being

pretty useful to the bottom line a few years ago, makes me just a little bit suspicious. I'll have to try to dig a little bit more and find out. But, I don't know. Would they be making $100 million on gender bending surgery? I don't know about that. That doesn't sound right. But yeah, they do a lot

other good things too, but yeah, the gender clinic, that is a big one. You know, they're using technology and creating artificial sexual organs and all sort of things. It's kind of like a happy progressive Frankenstein's lab up there at OHSU. So there we go. What else do we have going on? Oh, Nike. Nike announcing 1,400 layoffs.

This is not a big surprise back in March. They were talking about spending $300 million on cost. Cutting Cost. So it's going to cost them $300 million extra dollars to cut costs. And the reason for that is layoff notices and, well, severance packages is really what it's going to be going for mostly. So it's 1,400 layoffs. And, of course, it's one of Oregon's largest employers. Most of it's going to be in the IT section. And I wonder if a lot of this is AI, kind of like how meta is cutting, I think, what was it, 10% of its workforce? 5, 10% of its workforce

and openly talking about it, just being that, hey, we have AI, and it's starting to do a lot of work of these knowledge and technology workers. You guys, remember when the elite were saying, oh, you poor, you poor loggers in Southern Oregon, go learn to code. Now learning the code won't save you, I guess, huh?

Ah. But that's what's going on with Nike. Current and former firefighters oppose repeal of roeons. roadless rule. This on K-O-B-I-5. Nearly 120 current and former wild-lion firefighters, including 45 from Oregon, are urging Congress to oppose a Trump administration proposal to undo the roadless rule. Now, that's the rule that limits road construction across 16 million acres of national forest land, right? Now, of course, the Trump administration wants to get back into the woods and actually make these lands productive and actually get some timber out.

of some of these lands. That would include the O&C lands that we're talking about here in Southern Oregon, too. The Department of Agriculture says repealing the rule would shift decision-making back to local officials. That would be a horrible thing, wouldn't it? Yeah, actually having your local officials in charge of your local forests. Yeah, that could never work, right? I'm being sarcastic. I hope you know that.

But however, in an open letter sent to members of Congress today, current and former wildland fighter firefighters push back on that claim. They argue that adding roads would increase human access and in turn raise the likelihood of human-caused fires. Do you buy their take on that? One of the reasons that people have talked about keeping these roads open is that it provides easier access to firefighters. That's something that has been known, right?

Isn't that something that we've known that sometimes they're, you know, They have to reopen these old roads that were closed because they got a bad fire. I can't help and wonder if the firefighters are looking at this more along the lines of, you know, if you have more roads, it makes it easier to fight the fires. And if it makes it easier to fight the fires, well, then maybe the firefighting checks won't be quite so big. Does that make sense? I know it's like a conspiracy theory Friday kind of theory. But, I mean, it could be just a bunch of gang-green fire.

firefighters too that just don't want the forest open. They don't like the idea of forest open. They're the type of people, you know, like, you know, Oregon Wild and all the rest of them that figure that the road, the forests are there for only one purpose to burn in the summertime so that they can be restored and for us to look at them maybe in a book. You know, we can look at the pictures on a book or maybe we'll put up a trail cam or something so you can see the beauty of some of these forests, but you're not allowed to be there and not allowed to touch it. I'm a little suspicious

when I see firefighters saying, no, no, no, we don't want any roads and any of these things. More people would get in there. Yeah, it would also make it easier for you to fight the fire. But yeah, that would mean our paychecks might be lower. Could you see there perverse incentives that we have here? Now that the fires or the

forest industry has been weaponized essentially to look at fire as the way to get a paycheck, fighting fire. Possibility. Maybe we talk about that. I don't know, but What do you think? What's on in your mind today? 7705633-3-7-0-K-M-E-D.

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club members or early morning commenters club. I don't know what that's kind of a mouthful, but how are you doing that? How are you? Well, what's on your mind, huh? Well, this is Vicki from the Applegate, and I just had a question about, I don't know what the number is for this measure, but it's the animal abuse one. Oh, that's IP28, right? Okay, so I've heard from several different people I've had conversations with that it's not just about dogs and cats, that they're actually trying to do the animal abuse and have a pretty.

to, you know, cows and pigs and chickens and deer and milk and fish. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's absolutely. That's what it's all about. It is essentially a shutdown animal husbandry, shutdown meat and livestock production. No milk. You know, you're not allowed to, you know, artificially inseminating a cow in order to breed

the cow, which they do right now as an example would be considered, you know, essentially sexual assault, you know, of, oh my God. Yeah. And so, yeah, it essentially over time, I think you'd be, I don't know if it goes to as far as you would be forced to release your pets into the wild so that the coyotes can eat them. I don't know. Oh, my God. It's going that far, but, you know, it is. Lars Larson talking about it yesterday.

Yeah. And, yeah, what it boils down to is when you think of animal abuse, you think of, you know, somebody beating their dog or, you know, trying to drown their. cat or something, not you can't raise cattle, you can't kill cattle to eat, can't fish. I mean, it's, it's ridiculous. So anybody and everybody that can hear Vicki from the Applegate's voice, please vote no. Now, it is not on the ballot yet, though. Oh, it isn't? No.

Trying to get it on the ballot? Yes, this is an initiative petition. Now, last count, it needed a few more thousand. Now, it may actually make the ballot. It may make the ballot in November. Even they say, even the supporters of it know that it will not pass. They understand that it's a very radical deal. But it's kind of a placeholder, and it's really about conditioning people to think about animals that way.

And in fact, even within an initiative petition 28th, the language, I read it a few weeks ago. We were talking about it then. And part of it is that it would be allocating money so that people would start transitioning to different kinds of forms. foods and food sources because they realized that, you know, gosh, your hamburger would be gone, and, you know, your steaks are gone, your chicken's gone, your pork, you know, no pork verde at the Mexican restaurant, no pork fried rice, you know, you're not going to do that, and everything would have to be some sort of a animal meat replacement. That's not really animal.

It's more, you know. Yeah, well, they would want us to be eating cancer meat. You know, cancer meat? Right. It cracks me up, Bill, because they don't want to eat living things, but plants are living too. Everything on this earth besides cement and buildings are living. So I, you know, just because plants don't get up and walk around, although there are some plants and trees that migrate. I just, I, it's so bizarre to me that the world has come to this. But you can understand, though, why they try to push it

in a state like, like Oregon, because we are just weird enough that could, we could actually go for something like that eventually, wouldn't you see it? Yeah. And what's scary is, is they may put it in a language that people really think that they're talking about dogs and cats only or, you know, but you see, there's no reason to do it for dogs and cats. We already have laws against being cruel to pets. So it's the wording. So if it does get on the ballot in November, please everybody vote. No, we do not want this.

All right. Thank you for the call, Vicki. 7705-633-770 KMED. another interesting story this morning. And I think I'm going to have to... This is the one that... I think you'll have fun with this one. Just a good old boy.

Never meaning no harm. Meets all you never saw been in trouble with the law since the day they was born. All righty. So what are we talking about? Why are we playing the Dukes of Hazard? Great story that the Daily Caller had here. A Virginia State Senator telling colleagues that he understood. rural America because he grew up watching the Dukes of answered.

And he meant it. Oh, I love this. This is Democrat. Of course, it's a Democrat. State Senator Lamont Bagby made this claim during a floor debate on the state's gerrymandering amendment. Remember the gerrymandering thing which passed the other day? And then the courts have squashed it at least temporarily as it goes through the court cases about it. Bagby pushing back on Republicans who argued that Democrats have no grasp of rural life.

And he said, I grew up watching the Waltons. I grew up with Opie. I even watched the Dukes of Hazard. I think I know a little bit about rural America. Bagby said apparently referencing the Waltons and the Andy Griffith show alongside CBS. And then he rattles off characters from urban sitcoms. And he says, I'm not just here for Theo. It's like the Cosby.

show, right? I'm not just here for Arnold or Willis. I'm here for Opie, John Boy, Blossom and Topanga. Yeah, and guess what? I can be a Michelin Star chef because I beat Bobby Flee, right? Just unbelievable nonsense, but yep,

that is a Virginia state senator. Yeah, I understand. I feel the pain. Of course, you know, if he thinks of, you know, he's just thinking that everyone's like boss hog, right? You know, all the, right. Yeah, that's one of this. He thinks the Republicans are boss hog from Dukes of Hastert. I understand the way you guys think. Dang, damn it. Go get him.

What's the name of that one, the one dumb cop in there? Go get him. Oh, well. Real life is weirder than anything that absolutely anything you can make up. That is for sure. We'll catch up on the rest of real life here just a moment. And then have a little conversation about them tariff refunds. Are we going to get a tariff refund or is it just going into Costco's pocket? Costco and Walmart. I'll talk with Dennis Neal about that. He's a claimed journalist used to anchor at CNBC and Fox Business.

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I wanted to talk with Dennis Neal about this. Yeah, the tariff-free funds. He's a best-selling author, acclaimed journalist. Gosh, you used to anchor over at CNBC and Fox Business, didn't you, Dennis? Welcome back to the show. Good having you on. I sure did, and that was awfully fun. It's great to talk to you, Bill.

I'm right here in Portland, Oregon, this morning. As a matter of fact, I flew in from South Florida yesterday because I'm here promoting my new book, Oregoners. But I think it's up to 166 billion that companies are requesting back. And somewhere in there, there's an Oregon company. I can't even remember which one is doing it. But here's my question. As anyone who goes to the government to try to recover funds ever had a simple, easy time of it?

I mean, this is a real difficult task they're doing. And the other thing I want to know is if you guys who are asking for these refunds, if you passed along any of that tariff increase to your customers, you're going to give them a refund? You're going to cut your prices down below, even though your business has been going fine? Okay, well, I'll give you a simple answer. Probably no on that.

Right, right, exactly. And I just think, you know, like, look at how it is dealing with the IRS. I know a guy was helping a brother-in-law, you know, $200,000, the IRS said he owed them. By the time he was done, a couple of years later, it was up to $2 million. Okay. The government is relentless. I'll be interested to see how the Trump people handle this. And the other thing that interested me about it, Bill, is that I thought, oh, my gosh, the Supreme Court, what a bunch of Republican conservative traders. They've turned against Trump. They've outlawed his tariffs. I thought it was over. And no. He already has come in with a new regime of tariffs. He already found another way to go at it.

Nothing stops this guy, Trump, from doing what he thinks is the right thing to do. I would agree with you, Dennis. The point is, though, I have to tell you, to be fair, the Supreme Court actually sort of gave him a roadmap in that decision, if he remember, when the decision came on. And so they kind of said, well, you know, well, you could do this or you could do that or that. And so it's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, I think that was Kavanaugh who might have done that. It was in a accompanying opinion or something, yeah. And that was kind of telling and kind of interesting.

I still found the ruling lamentable because I don't mean to dive into too much of detail, Bill, but the court ruled that, hey, man, You're using this one international act that Congress passed long ago, and the thing is that that act doesn't mention the word tariff. But this is the same Supreme Court Justice Roberts, who saved Obamacare. Now, Obamacare never mentioned the word tax. Instead, it says, if you don't order insurance, we're going to penalize you issue a penalty. Well, that would be unconstitutional. So Roberts, in that case, came out and said, well, it's not a penalty. It's a tax. even though the word tax wasn't in that act. So he was able to do that then, but on the tariffs, no, no, the word's not there.

So therefore it's illegal. So that was an unfortunate setback, but clearly it hasn't done much. But this is going to take years to get this money back. Well, I think that's the whole idea. Dennis, I think that's the whole idea. The idea is that they just, you know, and just wait you out and wait you out and people get ground down. Now, my point will be is that I wonder how long it will take for some, let's say, really, ambitious trial lawyers to do that thing. Like, I got a $50 refund on a credit card a little while

ago because I bought some HP computers that had bad hinges. There was a class action lawsuit. I'm sure the attorneys made a lot more. Could you see them going after what consumers paid higher costs in their goods because of the tariffs and then going after the Costco's and the Walmarts and the best buys and the various other places? In therapy, they tell you that the best answer, the truest answer, is what you instantly were going to say. Now, so instantly I was going to say, no, they won't because it's just too hard to win a case against the federal government, and they want to go after deep pockets that are easier and they'll just pay you to go away, whereas the government just don't care. It won't pay you to go away. And yet, on second thought,

I've got to say, yeah, I think you're absolutely right, because ambulance chasing lawyers will sue wherever they can find a weakness. And I, too, have received some of those settlements, $6, $2, you know, while the law firm got millions upon millions, they ought to fix that by simply insisting that any time a law firm loses, it has to pay the total legal cost of the other side. And if that were true across the land, you see a lot fewer ridiculous lawsuits. Oh, okay. So I didn't realize, oh, that's right. We don't have a loser pays law system right now, do we? Yeah. Right. Okay. And I'm not even sure what jurisdictions it might be true, and I'm sure some of your listeners will know

because everyone else are more expert at something. You know, on one hand, that sounds really good. I know they do that over in the UK, but yet at the same time, you could see how that would really chill the ability for, you know, David to go after Goliath if you think you're going to have to pay for Goliath's legal system. Let's say if you have a business that's actually doing harm and doing harm on people. If you're David and you know you have an ironclad case,

you will take that risk. If you're David and you know you're filing an utterly bogus lawsuit, the same that only generating legal fees, then you might actually have to consider, reconsider. All right, fair enough. Well, Dennis, we'll see where this ends up going. But like I said, my question will be, you know, when will Costco give me my refund? Because, you know, the thing is Costco keeps a track of everything that everybody buys because it's a membership store, right?

So they would know if they ended up passing all along the tariff, wouldn't they? They'd know, for sure. That's really interesting. I'm sure that we looked at as a terrible violation of privacy rights when we lost privacy rights long, long ago. But you know, you're right about that. You're right. All right. Dennis Neal, once again, best-selling author, acclaimed journalist, and we're going to talk about his authoring right now. You have wrote a book. Now, is Ory Goner's out now? Because it's been forthcoming ever since I've been talking with you about this. It's out soon. I mean, I've handed it over to the jaws of the Amazon KDP publishing system, and they end up deciding a lot of things like the price and your cut and when it goes. So it's supposed to go imminently any week now up on Amazon. Totally different from my previous book, The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk.

That was published by one of the biggest publishing companies in the world, Harper Collins. They're pretty amazing. But, you know, they sell a $30 book. You'd be lucky after they recover the advance they paid you to earn three or four bucks. Really? Do what I can do by going straight to Amazon. Of course, it's a little less impressive. It's like going straight to video in the old days, you know, instead of going into the theaters.

Well, you're, in other words, yourself publishing is what you're doing here, right? Yes, yeah, through Amazon, yeah. But I want to get it out there as soon as possible for Oregonians, because this is ripped from the headlines. And the basic book, guys, to all of you who are inside Oregon, and have have been for years, and inside urban centers that are incredibly uber-liberals to all of you, you know, I think a lot of you're unable to recognize insanity anymore. It's all so crazy liberal. And so you don't realize how totally whack it really is. And so in comes this 40-year New Yorker Dennis Neal with an outsider's eye to come in there and do the equivalent of that scene in ghost where Whoopi Goldberg says, did you mean more?

Molly, you endanger girl. And I'm telling Oregon, it's in danger, man. If that doesn't change its waste, luckily, you got some signs there of a real voter rebellion coming up, don't you? Well, I hope you're right, but I've never seen any evidence of it getting bad enough that Democrats

ever really change the way they want to vote here. I mean, and I'll give you an example of what happened. My daughter is a hardcore lefty, and I hate to say this, but that's just the case it is. And she looks at her father as, I'm a cancorsore on the family. You know, that's the way She tends to look at it.

She moved to Florida a while back, right? So she's in Florida right now, but she can't handle it. She needs to come back because she needs the comfort. She needs the warmth and the soothingness of Oregon's progressive society. She literally told some people that Florida is bad for her mental health. And so she needs to come back to Oregon. She's an or she's an oricumber rather than an Oregoner. She was an Oregoner.

The retriever. Yeah. Wow, that, you know, that is a bit of a shock because I know a story about another woman, a primizum, a white lawyer. She's going around with a real estate agent in the Portland area, Patrick Sheehan, who himself made a living 20 years, bringing people to Oregon, and now himself has relocated to Phoenix, is making a living, moving people from Oregon to Phoenix,

because so many are leaving. And so he's with this white woman lawyer, and she ends up saying, you know, he ends up saying, hey, why don't we look in Happy Valley? But Blue Valley's racist. There's too many white people. I don't want anything to do with that. Blah, blah, blah. I'm coming here.

I want to be part of the protest. So it's exactly the opposite. This guy, the real estate agent, said mainly the people coming into Oregon now in his practice are grandparents. Really? Moving to the town to see their grandkids because the grown parents of the kids are unable to leave their trapped in their jobs. I talk to a number of people, you know, cheerful Amy, who owns Amy Olson, Nichols, Amy Nichols, Amy Nichols. Holmes of the cheerful tortoise and the cheerful bullpen. They've been in place for like 75 years in Portland.

And she runs into the same problem. She can't leave because that is her brand. That is her, you know, how does she just move to a new city and open a bar? In other words, she has equity. You know, her equity is there, is here in Oregon rather than elsewhere. Okay, I get that. She'd like to be in Oregon or if she could. But look, the state, the urban areas, they're losing thousands of jobs.

They have more deaths than births. You've got one of the most famous Oregon companies, Dutch Brothers Coffee. There's one right across the street from my airport hotel on that. Well, hey, he was a local boy here in Southern Oregon, a Southern Oregonian. He's gone now. They found it in Grants Pass, and they insisted they weren't going to move their headquarters, and then they did. And by doing that, they instantly saved something like 10% or 14% off the bottom line,

go straight into their earnings because they don't have to be. pay all those taxes. What shocked me, my having lived in New York City for 43 years, is it Little Portland has the second highest tax rates in the nation after only New York. No kidding. Oh, my gosh. But in New York, what you get is that if trouble happens in Times Square, those cops are there in moments, man, cracking down. When trouble happens in Portland, I believe the average wait for a violence at 911 call is 19 minutes. So this is data-driven. This book of yours is actually pretty data-driven. It's not just anecdotal with you just interviewing a whole bunch of people and say, yeah, we're taking off because. You're actually looking at the numbers, huh? I'm actually proving the case. You know, all of my career, I believe in a fact-based point of view. You don't just got on there and spew out view after view. That's called telling. That's bad writing. Oh, he's a terrible guy. You've got to say why Trump is a terrible guy, because he did this, this, and this. Be specific. That's what this.

book does for Oregoners. I interviewed some really influential, inspiring people there. You know, Betsy Johnson, who ran for lieutenant governor, a longtime conservative Democrat, which is a unicorn in Oregon, a conservative Democrat. She's wonderful. I interviewed her and Bruce Starr, the minority Republican leader of the Senate who helps lead that voter ballot effort to repeal the $4.2 billion 10-year tax increase for the DOT, which some people able to say it was nothing more than a gift to the unions because the unions basically control the state government. Yeah, and we're going to be voting that down in just a few weeks here.

I hope so, and I wish it had been in November so that they'd also get a chance to look at some other names who were responsible for passing that tax increase, Governor Tina Kotech. Oh, yeah. Now, I'm kind of curious here as you go through the data. Now, in past experience in my many years here in Southern Oregon, I have never noticed Democrats to change. Do you see any data or any kind of inkling that the progressive voter is ready to kind of give up on the progressive cost? I'm thinking about like in Mondani. I'm speaking of New York City because you were in New York City. Exactly. You have all the people, all these people, there was one ward that went like, you know,

huge amount of votes for Mom Donnie. And then all of a sudden they said, what? You're putting a dirtbag homeless shelter right in our neighborhood? No. I love that. Just desserts. Mamdani is clearly seems to be on a path toward wanting to hurt New York City and bring it to its knees because what liberals want is to break the system and then they have their excuse for coming in with their better system because, oh, the old system couldn't handle it. And he sure is working on that. So are there any signs? Because, you know, too often, Democrats in Oregon, they vote for high moral purpose. I'm such a good person for the way I voted. That's right. They don't look at outcomes at all. And Kevin Looper, a Democratic political operative who claims credit for helping build that super majority over the past 10 years and a them majority over the past 20 years, Kevin Looper says, you know, what I learn now, though, is that when you don't have a loyal or even disloyal opposition, you no longer have diversity of ideas, you no longer have anyone kind of checking anything and saying, hey, wait a minute. And that's what's happened to us in Oregon. But is there a sign that Democrats themselves will wake up?

Well, that ballot proposal, which should be going in November, not May, but that ballot proposal on that DOT tax, that got more than 250,000 voter signatures. It needed only, what was it, 178,000. Oh, they did a great job on it. That's got to be more than just the Republicans in there. And the other thing about Oregon that fascinated me is that it's so small that it's a canary in the coal mine for Blue State Blues. It shows you what will happen when this stuff runs at large and is not stopped at all. You know, Oregon has 4.2 million people, I think 640,000 in Portland, but the Portland media market, a Republican operative told me, is 60%, 65% of the state's media. So you can get to the entire state from just one market. It's not like that in New York, which is big and diverse. It's not like that in California. But Oregon is a perfect petri dish example of how far this can go and how crazy it can get. And when a quarter of a million voters sign that petition signature, you're pushing back. I'm hoping that's a good sign. Well, I'm hoping that you're right about this,

Dennis. We'll see because, you know, being a Republican in Oregon is kind of like being a battered wife in a bad marriage. You know, it's just difficult. You know, you show up at the state legislature just to see. And then, and then the base around here, we end up yelling at them because they end up trying to cut a deal or so to, so they can get a new fire plug installed it in your, in your district, that kind of thing. But nothing is really taking them on. You know, there's a whole chapter that looks at who do we blame for this? Who gets to blame? Yeah.

And the Republican Party is a big part of it because they are the equivalent. You know, the Harlem Globe Carters used to play at the Washington Generals. Yep. Thousands of games. And the generals, you know, lost almost every single game. Paid to lose. Paid to lose. They were making good money.

Yeah. You know, and the Republicans are feeding at the same troughs. They're paid to lose. And we haven't had a, we haven't had a Republican governor elected north. since, what was it, like, 1982 or something? Yeah, Vicotia. Yeah, it has been a while here. So Oregoners out soon, and can you just do a pre-buy on Amazon right now?

Can you do that? Not yet. The Amazon gods have not yet decreed that, and it's so difficult just to get past the technicals to get your stuff posted. They want your driver license. They want your ID. Dude, you know everything about me. I have an account.

You have my phone. What are you doing? I'm hoping AI will fix that sign-off stuff, that sign-off stuff that's just driving us crazy everywhere. But Oregon is in trouble, and only the Oregonians can fix it and stop the drain of thousands of people and jobs and businesses leaving that state because they just can't take it anymore. You know, just today, or actually it was yesterday Nike announcing another 1,700 jobs going away. So it's nothing unusual. It's getting to be typical. Even if your company stays in Oregon with operations, it's not growing there.

It's instead investing elsewhere. We have timber companies in Oregon. It was the biggest timber producer almost in the world. And these timber companies are spending hundreds of millions of dollars buying timberland in North Carolina. Because there's just too many rules, too many restrictions in Oregon. They're killing themselves. They're strangling themselves. Well, we'll see if the people are able to wake up here because it's, it's,

it's going to take more than just the GOP to be able to change some. There has to be a sea change within the people in general. And I don't know. I'm hoping you're right about this, that there is some wake-up potential here. Oregoners is the name of the book. Dennis Neal is the best-selling author and acclaimed journalist for this. You have a website, too? By the way, people find out more about you?

Do I ever watch what? Do you have a website so people can find out more about you? Dennisneal.com? Rather inactive. Too hard to post to it. Here, Dennisneal.com, but especially I'm on the X platform. It's the most important, freest media platform in the world. X from Elon Musk, he's my guy.

Of course, X has itself banned my account for a month at a time here and there when people complain about something I say. Oh, no. Come on. He's your guy. He's your guy, but they still ban you anyway, even now? Even now? Exactly. It's unforgivable algorithms there, Bill.

Well, you know, I know that you're a big fan of Elon Musk, but I think that Elon Musk is more or less just to have weaponized the algorithm in a different type of censorship. But you agree with me on that? I know you're talking down the guy you wrote about it. I firmly disagree. You do. They just showed images. You can see true that blue truth or whatever that blue, that blue site, all blue, only blue. And yeah, it's a lot of red on X, but it's plenty of blue. And all they've got to do is talk more. You know, the problem is when either side wants to camp down and restrict the speech of the other. Instead, let's err on the side of more expression and more speech. And let's remember that X is by far more free platform than Facebook or Google or any of the others. They're so planted that you don't even recognize it. And that's the thing of getting inside

a community and no longer recognizing insanity. In the 70s, there was an experiment. They planted sane people, including psychologists and psychiatrists, as fake patients and insaleositans. They wanted to see, good these doctors here, diagnose sanity in an insane environment. They were utterly unable to do so. Oh, man. It's a great story. I kind of forgot. I forgot about that experiment. Right. Yeah. You're going to get me to read that again. I also want to read Oregoners where you, when you had this all taken care of. So let me know. Have your people get in touch with my people, okay? Oh, yeah. I want to come on again and talk in more detail. I'd love it, and I appreciate your time. Have a glorious Friday and a great weekend. And if you come down here to Southern

Oregon, I know you're up there pushing the book in Portland. I think it ought to get a pretty good reception here. Are you going to go to Powell's bookstore? Just curious. You're going to go there or someplace else? No bookstore stuff, because I don't think I'm going to be a big enough guy to land in bookstores where they're dying to have it. I think it's an Amazon thing. But I'm going to this, you might know about it. You would know about it. This Dorchester in Mount Hood. Okay. Fifty years running or something. Yeah. It's a rare breed. I'm going to go there and do some smoozing and speak into a couple of groups of students because the young people are your

chance, Oregon. All right. Been brainwashed yet. Well, you have a good time in Dorchester. Sell some books and we'll talk to you next time. Okay. Thanks, Dennis. Thank you so much.

Have a great day. All right. Dennis Neal. It is 656 at KMED and KBXG. I haven't seen Daisy's Hubbard this full in a long time. What's going on here? A lot has changed. Daisy's Hubbard is now part of the Gold Beach Lumber family,

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That's 770 KMED. And this is KMED at KMED HD-1. Eagle Point Medford, KBXG Grants Pass. Wild Sam and Steve, Steve, you want to talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center. What a great group that those folks are. It's just amazing. Well, they've taken diversity, equity, and inclusion, the point that they don't have any constituents because they've run all the, all the, the same

people out and or the funding for saint people. So they're now funding the Ku Klux Klan and the area nation and a whole string of supposedly right wing groups because they needed the money. It's interesting that this is finally exposed. It was kind of, you know, people suspected this underneath the currents underneath the new cycle we would think and boy it says and and they were always very loud about it they would always conflate the Ku Klux Klan let's say with with evangelicals and all these other sort of things you know if you're a Christian you're part of essentially a hate group is what the southern poverty law center would come up with just amazing what they would do but it's it's really not all that different from what the FBI was engaging in

in some ways, isn't it? When they would go out then, well, when they would end up leading terrorist attacks. You know, they'd go in there and find the dumbest jihadi in Portland as an example and supply the material and the know-how and kind of moving along. Now, they were doing that to try to bust people, but they were at Poverty Law Center. They were using it for a different purpose to continue to spin the donation machine up, right? That's what they were doing. Yeah, and they were trying to spin up hate, really.

You know, unless they had someone to oppose, they didn't have a reason to exist. And like that, was it Virginia where someone was killed and suppose it was a right-wing march or something? Yeah, Charlottesville. Charlottesville, okay. Yeah, so they were behind that. So maybe the FBI was just trying to catch bad guys, or maybe the same thing. They were doing it to justify their budget. Well, it's a principle which is pretty well known.

I mean, you need the state, as an example, needs the enemy. You remember when they were talking about the benefit of having the Soviet Union collapse? Remember that? Oh, boy, this is wonderful. The peace dividend. Remember they were talking about that back of the day, Steve? Yeah. All right.

The peace dividend. And then you can't help but notice that the United States and its intelligence agencies did. I know this is kind of a conspiracy theory Thursday take on it. But they did then start, oh my, look at the Muslims now. The Muslims are getting uppity. And then there seem to be, you know, you have to have an enemy to work against in order to keep your power base. And I think it's what Southern Poverty Law Center was doing too. Well, yeah, it might have been the industrial, military industrial.

base was doing some of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. We need the, we need the enemy. We need the enemy. Then we need a project for the new American century because, well, we need a good splendid war to get the people all united and get those defense contracts looking good and healthy again. I know that's a cynical way of looking at it. Maybe so. I look at President Trump a little differently than you do. I think that what he's doing makes a lot of sense. He hasn't gone in and wasted a bunch of human life like President Nixon did in Vietnam. Oh, and I would agree with you. I don't know if we look at him all that differently.

What I am not going to – I consider myself a guy in the middle on this one. I'm not going to be – I'm never going to be a Trump derangement syndrome guy, but nor am I going to be a total Trump devotion syndrome either because we have both. He's arrogant. He's – he's a lot of – of things that I don't personally like, but compared to what, you know, if Kamala had gotten in there, what would we be doing? Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah. If you think we're depressed right now about certain things, yeah, a president Kamala would not have been, would not have been a good situation. So I'm with you on that. You got it. Thanks for the call there, Steve. Let me grab another call before news and then we'll roll because Mr. Outdoors is going to be joining

me. And I think we're going to have a good talk about that Wolf Summit that was yesterday in Bute Falls. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is minor, Dave. Yeah, Dave. Go ahead. Yeah, I want you to say, is my younger brother and my sister-in-law left Portland to go to Florida because of their grandchildren, or most of their grandchildren are in Florida. And when her dad died, my sister-in-law's dad died, he inherited apartment complex, which they were rinking from him forever. And when he died, she inherited it. They sold it all off, and they moved to Florida. My brother got a transfer from his employer, his two food services, and they've never been happier.

Well, I'm glad that they're doing well. And they save a lot of money on their taxes. Yeah, but look at my daughter, though. My daughter's doing the exact opposite. that, you know, the Florida, I guess she was, now I haven't talked to her. She hasn't called me, you know, recently here. But I got this through a friend of the family, you know, that was talking with her. And she said, she's moving back to Oregon because Florida makes her, well, it's a mental health problem. It's not good for her mental health to be living in the state

of Florida for my daughter. Well, I don't know what to say about that. Yeah. But I can say that, you know, I know two guys that got branded by Southern Ovidy Law Center as racist and they're not. Kirby Jackson, he got tagged because of sugar pine mine. And the oath keepers, a friend of mine, Kobe Olson, he got tagged. They wrote up a whole article that they've got from Bice. I was in that article. And that article now stripped me out of it, stripped our pictures out of it, and stripped anything to do with Colby Olson out of the article as an oathkeeper. And, you know, they're starting to expunge old stories and rewriting them.

I don't know who owns VICE's copyright. They went bankrupt. Yeah, I forget who took them over after that. But to your point, though, as far as I'm concerned, if Southern Poverty Law Center ends up, well, of course, I don't think they're going to go bankrupt. They have several hundred million in their endowment right now. But if they are discredited, if they are discredited, and people start being able to sue them and take them apart, that would be a good thing, in my opinion, Dave.

Appreciate the call. Okay, you've got to go because I've got to catch up on the news here. Just a moment. Then catching up on the wolves in the outdoor report and a whole bunch of. more. Spring cleaning isn't just for your house. It's for your life. If your job is getting