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This hour of the Bill Myers Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Continuing to have fun this Monday morning after all the serious and just unhinged news going on this morning. Scott is from Eagle Point. He's the professional driver, calls the show all the time. All right, Scott. Now, for the win here, it's for your official farmer wants a wife, not embroidered,

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You do. But my, I'm just totally mystified and even our president, but I'm not going to go that far, really. But, you know, we do have friends in Iran. and we have friends all over the world of the people. We love the people. So you're just mystified in general is what you're telling me, right? I mystified, you know, my grandfather was in Iran during World War II, and they did their best to do things to help out the people,

and the regime will never change, you know, as far as their ideologies, they have to work with it, I'm sorry to say. But, hey, I'm just totally mystified. I don't know. Well, it's a wonderful day. Okay, Scott, since you are totally mystified on the news cycle, and I completely understand, you get yourself the farmer wants a wife misting plant can. Okay? All right. And thank you so much. Come on down to the station during business hours. We'll take care of that. Got you down there. Dr. Powers will join me here in just a minute. He might want one of these misting cans, too, from Foxx.

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welcome. Hey, Bill. How you doing? I'm doing great, and it's always good to talk with you and to go ahead with the great listeners you have. All right. Let us talk about where past meets present first this time, and we're talking about some big people, some really big people. In fact, they were giants here, the golden, rotan family of giants here in Southern Oregon. Tell us a bit about that. Great story. And this is one of the ones that really stands out.

And even there were newspaper articles that I came. across having to do with Enos Rotin. But these were the family of giants, and John and Elizabeth Roten, who came to Cain Creek and homesteaded about 170 years ago. But the Elizabeth Bill was four feet, nine inches, and weighed about 250 pounds. She big girl, but not really tall, though, And her father, actually her husband, husband, was six feet eight inches. One of the tallest men in the Pacific Northwest. So they were known even before they got here. They had 10 children all over six feet, as we talked about very quickly last week. And Enis was nearly, was really seven feet. He was six feet 11 and three quarter inches. And they were not only known because if you saw someone like these people who were hardworking giants, their abilities in the gold fields led to their having newspaper reports and things on this line. They, Enis, was able to find the Braden mine using a certain system bill. And I've gone through the Braden Mine, and it's an incredible mine.

Yeah, yeah, where is the Braden Mine, if you don't mind me? It looks down on Gold Hill at about 2,600 feet. It's on where you have a operation that's, what do you call where you're going ahead and zipping down on a line? Oh, the zip line. Okay, oh, the zip line. Okay, the Rogue Valley Zipline. Sure. Okay.

And you could have gone through the Braden mine. I don't know if they're allowing it now, but I went through, and it was incredible. Now, was it a hard rock mine, I would imagine? So you were inside and must have still been an opening that you can get into a tunnel. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, they had edits, which is the front end way of tunneling directly into where the gold deposits were. and then you'd have different adjacent tunnels that would go down, go on other sides, split, and these were honeycombed with different types of tunnels because they would keep going through.

And these were big, big gold deposits. But what happened then was the fact that the gold that was brought out was worth multi-milliones at today's values. But the important thing is that Enos had a system. This is our seven-footer. And he would actually take sample after sample when he came across some gold particles, going both ways, up and down, on both sides. He would number where each had been precisely found, built. And then Enos would store them in jars, assay them, assay them,

and how much gold was at each one. and then he would figure right where the strike was and dig, and then the gold pocket magically appeared. So he was very then, there was a very structured process that he would go about sniffing out the gold, is what you're saying, right? Yeah, and even with the high volume of numbers of miners that were going in in different ways from hydraulic mining on different tributaries and on the, river all the way to the tunnel mines and pen handling. They were absolutely the most successful

with the system instead of just trying to pick a place and start hoping you're going to find pay dirt. But they lived extravagantly, and that's the thing, where their their tails are so cool, because I came across newspaper articles, actually 1931, that told about how Enos had gone ahead and at one time owned three saloons in Jackson County, free whiskey. Free whiskey? To gold drinkers, but they couldn't bring their own bottle. But the greatest story was there is a time when the brothers were nursing a very bad hangover. And Enis then went ahead and through his night.

down on the bar, bought the bar back and bought it from the cavern owner. And then in the morning, nursing hangovers, they just gave them the keys and walked away and gave the bar back. And you see, the thing about it is that when a Rotan needed money, he just had away and search for a week or two and returned with some gold nuggets. So they were that, I just want to make sure that I understand they were that good that they didn't bother saving anything. They were that good at sniffing out gold in southern Oregon that the Rotin brothers would just, okay, I'm a little low this week, just go out with the pick and shovel and they'd find some more and bring it in. That's what would happen. They were good, and all of them were fairly good, but the oldest, well, actually the tallest one,

Enis, was the one who really stood out. And another time, you know, he just took his gold nuggets and threw him over a Gold Hill unpaved streets saying that the town folks needed it more than he did. And, of course, he was known as a very generous man. What an interesting character from the sounds of it. You know, documentaries and books will need to be written for him. But the other thing is, Bill, he carried his nuggets around in a glass jar, huge. And he would go ahead and bring it into it. the restaurant and slam it down, order, and then toss out a nugget because that was his currency

and that was the currency of the time. You betcha. And then what it was was the fact that he would then, and who would go ahead and get involved or try to rob a seven-footer that was bearded and would come in and slam it down with everyone around. I mean, it was just amazing. Well, no one was going to take on the seven-footer. know, to your point, you're absolutely right about that, especially in those days. And, you know,

and it's funny when you look at old historic clothing, you know, that was worn by people back in the 1800s, and you realize that they were considerably shorter than even people right now. So Enis, we had seven feet. Oh, my gosh, no one would tackle him at all. But my question for you, though, is, was he able to keep the gold flowing all his entire life? I mean, what led to his end, ultimately? Well, what's really truly interesting about his story is that in the 1910s, he tried farming on 160 acres of the Applegate running a general. Yeah, but that's too much work, wasn't it? That's too much real work. He actually could work hard, but it was losing interest.

So he headed back into the gold hunting into the late 1920s, but then what happened is he was hit by a stroke. and he died in the 1930s, actually 1931. And I came across a newspaper article that was interviewing him. And even though his last days, he had spent three years in his old Cane Creek cabin, he loved it, and he reportedly in this article died with a smile in his face, having enjoyed the life he had lived. Now, I don't think we could have these characters. Now, he'd be arrested by our Gestapo police with the far left. Well, there be someone out there wanting to be, what is that when you get the legal rights over someone?

They'd say he was crazy or out of his mind, right? And then they'd, you know, go after him. Get power of attorney. It's got to be the control that politicians have to have in terms of their power that we've seen here in Oregon with the disruptions to gold mining in so many different ways. underneath the guise of environmentalism and the gold mines there. To everyone, gold is around $5,000 an ounce. You might take a look at it that's on your property.

Yeah, absolutely. I wonder if maybe some of those older claims are worth working again, all right? Hey, Dennis, great story. Great story about the Rotins. And once again, the title of this one, and I'll put it up on KMED, The Golden Rotin Family of Giants. That seems to make sense, though, that he liked his life. And while he certainly lived as a free man in those days, right?

Yes, he was free, they were free, and it wasn't until, you know, we had the complete changeover from an independent Oregon, even before that in the 50s and 60s and 70s, even heading into 2000, of a more balanced political. sphere instead of the mountain of leftists that we have in Salem now. Well, you know, the way it is, I've talked about us having a society in which whatever is not permitted is required. It's like you're either have to have a permit for something or you're just required to do something.

It's either one or the other. There's very little. That's a good point, Bill, and you're absolutely right. All right. And we will talk more and we continue here. Let's go into what's going on at SOU. Can you give us an update on that, what it's looking like here, what changes could be coming. Could we do that in just a moment? All right. That'd be a really a good one to go into because it

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Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law. Hey, Doc, got some breaking news from the Supreme Court. Have you heard it? Let's hear it. All right. Supreme Court just summarily. reversed a lower court ruling. This is in the Epic Times this morning. They reversed a lower court ruling that blocked Texas from implementing its redistricting of the state's congressional map.

Oh, yes. Yes, I know about that one. Okay, good. Yeah, and that... Yeah, it came out before. Okay. Oh, we did. Okay. Never mind. I thought... They said it was breaking, so it must have been not break... Well, maybe breaking to them. But it was breaking to me, because I hadn't heard that one. So... Yeah, and the reason is, is because the Supreme Court usually doesn't get into it. They used to use a test that was, was there a diminuation or a dilution of minority voting rights? And then they came ahead and said, no, that really isn't the test. We should look at basic fairness. Well, there's no question that Texas has basic fairness, but Virginia with Spanberger, who is so distrustworthy, runs one way and then runs it like

Obama was in charge. Yeah, but isn't the real issue here, sorry to interject here, though, isn't the real issue that it is up to the states to determine that, ultimately? Isn't that the way it's supposed to go? Yeah, except the problem is, is that the way, if the state governor, like in Virginia, It's a good example, Bill, is one that is a communist, really. That's what she is. And almost couldn't graduate from what was at the Naval Academy in terms of the issues that came up with the way that she was in the classroom.

The key thing is the fact that they had the referendum skewed. so when people read it, it was as if that they're voting for it, it was going to be temporary. Well, that's exactly what they do in Oregon, too. There's stuff like that's quite common in the way that ballot titles are done. You know, we know about that. Yeah, yeah, but not with the way that it's applied in Virginia, because there it went from a purple state to a definitely far-left Obama state where it was five to four in terms of the districts. as to Democrat versus Republican bill, it's 10 to 1.

I know. It's ridiculous where they're going. See, that's one that should be overturned at the U.S. Supreme Court if it gets there. Now, to be fair, though, not to, you know, overuse the term, that already has been blocked at this point. A appeals court in Virginia, Commonwealth or Virginia ended up blocking that, and then it'll move up, right? Yeah, it's going to, yeah, but you see, that was a, the Democrats, there have already gone on record to say that this was a far-right judge, it will be appealed to the Supreme Court of the state in Virginia immediately, and it's going up now, and what it will do

because it has more Democrats than Republican bill, 10 to 1, and that's from 5 to 4. That is something that is just, it shows the communist take. It shows, I mean, my friends, call it what it is. This is a power takeover, and we are so a nerd to, you know, like the White House correspondent attack where, you know, Obama goes ahead and says, oh, there's no, we don't know the motive of the shooter. What we have as manifesto? I mean, what total, what total nonsense that was, Dennis, you know? Speaking of the, this is the scorecard here when it comes to the redistricting. Now, Texas is the one that started this off, I guess. You know, and so according to Texas led by Republicans, that new map could net Republicans five seats.

And Cheryl Atkinson has a great article on this on her substack. Remember the former CBS News reporter has her own substack now. And the showdown for gerrymandering, if you want to call it that. In a Democrat-led California, the new map could give Democrats five seats. Republican-led Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio could each. give Republicans an additional seat, maybe two in Ohio. In Republican-led Utah, a court has imposed a map that could give the Democrats a seat, probably enough.

And then in Virginia, up to four additional Democratic seats in the House. So Republicans currently holding a razor-thin majority, 217 to 214. This is smash-mouth politics, wouldn't you say? That's really what's going on here. Well, I have a slightly different take, my friend, and the reason is that I saw that same report. And the individual state environments are very, very different. Texas had such an influx of population that came in, as opposed to California, that the numbers are skewed with the downright political abjectness in California.

Well, they essentially wanted to balance Texas out because a lot of illegal immigration into Texas, and they didn't want essentially congressional districts benefiting from that. Is that really where they were coming from? I got to tell you know, in terms of the way it spun in the Epic Times, which as we both know is a little more factual, they reported some very good distinctions between what the far left radical socialists are doing versus what's being doing by the rest of the country. And this is a, they call it a legal civil war. But, Bill, I'll toss one point out that really hit me was when it hit me that when I hear about all the soft taps shoeing and tap dancing that's going on when they talk about the fact that Charlie Kirk was murdered, the attempts on Trump, that it's really tedious and all these excuses. No, this is intentional by the far left in terms of having this chaos in there.

we should look at it that this is intentional by Schumer and Pelosi because they need the power. Well, when it comes right down to it, Dennis, and it doesn't give me, it doesn't please me to say this, but there's a reason why people engage in political violence, and that's because it works. You look down through history, it will tend to work more often than not many cases. You know, if you take out the person that you don't like. I'm not advocating that. I'm just talking about the reality of looking at history. Would you agree or not?

And I can certainly support you in that because look at Russia, look at Cuba, look at all these other places where the far left and the radical socialist came in. They said one thing like Spanberg, Spanberger in Virginia, and then they came ahead by friend and they just slaughtered those that didn't agree with them. Although I don't – we're seeing right now the violence. and I really do see that the far left knows exactly what they're saying, because if the Republicans like their softball game, and you never see where Obama or Biden or any of these Democrats

are ever having to worry about the assassination, and when we put the facts together, my friend, I just say, oh, well, I think I see a light. Chris, you know, at the same time, do you want to advocate fighting fire with fire either? You don't necessarily want to do that, right? Oh, no. I just think that the Republicans should go ahead instead of using the old line of, well, let's work together like the Bush approach. I really think that we should see what's happening that Soros and Mondami and Seattle and all these ones mean business,

and it's time to really mean business as well. Well, we'll just understand who you're working with, all right, and quit convincing yourself that this is the day of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill, going out and having a beer, you know? Oh, it's not. It's not. That is gone. That went 20 years ago. But you know, Bill, my friend, I think the thing that hits me is that, as I've seen, and you

might have a different take, but in terms of Oregon and in terms of the Pacific Northwest, and you have been very close to this, the Republicans seem to get candidates, but the candidates run lose, and then they get a better job after they've lost. And I think in terms of our locals, got to go for Brad Hicks, got to go for these things, but understand that what we're seeing here like with SOU, my friend, that the Democrat leaders don't really care, because I check this out with the professors there, they're Democratic friends. Okay, well, I'll tell you what, hold that thought, and I'll catch up on the rest of the news, and then let's wrap this morning with what's going on at SOU. I was reading how we're looking at a dramatically downsized

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Hi, I'm John West. I approve this message paid for by PAC number 21848. This is the Bill Meyer Show on 1063 KMED. And I'm back with Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law. You know, Dennis, did you read the manifesto from the teacher of the month from Southern California that ended up allegedly doing the shooting over the weekend? Did you read that? Oh, on that one, I had synopsises of it. Yeah, yeah, I read the whole thing.

Can I give you a compliment? I really mean it. What's that? You know, listen to you in the news, but here you are. program director, talk show host, you know, chief transmission climber, and you read the news, and I see, Bill, I see this person with all these instruments, and you're doing a job to where I couldn't do one of them. Okay, well, I appreciate that greatly. Well, you know, in today's world, you have to be able to wear multiple hats. I'm good at it. I've got a big head, okay? You can put many hats on it. Well, you do an awful lot of different things for all of our listeners, including myself, and we salute that.

All right. Now then, back to our teacher of the month from Torrance, California, you know, that guy. Yeah. The one thing I could agree with him on, and this is the only part of his manifesto that I agreed with, okay? And it was the part in which he was making fun of the security around the Washington Hilton, and that it's like nobody even seemed to notice him. He checked in the day before. I thought he actually made a very good point of what happened there.

And Cash Patel was looking a little angry and or nervous that night there. I would have to think that there's going to be some real serious talking to that he was even able to get that far. When you agree or disagree with me on that? Oh, I would agree with you. But the other thing is that with the Democrats going ahead and not funding the Coast Guard, the Secret Service and all these places, I was very happy that they were able to do what they did. But I do agree with this, is that when you see the video, I think we've got to get some money into these things that the far left is keeping out from these entities because their shooting was certainly off. They shot and nothing hit them.

Yeah. And one of the agents was hit, okay? All right, we'll set that aside. Oh, the shooter. Yeah, we'll set that aside here at the moment. Actually, that agents okay, though, had the best fortunately, all right? Now, and let's go to another big money pit, all right? the money pit this time, Southern Oregon University, and there's been a lot of conversation

with the dean and everything that's going on there. Why don't you tell us where we find ourselves right now? Because the story in RB Times and Ashland.News is at a big downsizing of the academic portfolio. Could you confirm that? What are you hearing? Oh, same thing. And, you know, all the media is running the same way. But I made, was able to talk to different professors that I had known. And a number are Democrats, never voted for a Republican. And that's fine because we had the mission of the students and the mission of research. And we never let politics get in the way of what we needed to do. And what was interesting to me was when I found out that a couple of them were saying, we just are wondering where our southern Oregon state representatives are

in looking at what was happening. And to hear this from these people that I've known and respect, I started looking into it. This $15 million. Yeah, now, are we speaking about, is it criticism what at Pam Marsh and Jeff Golden or the other ones? Absolutely, and to the state with our governor. Okay. If we look at the budget, and this is something to where I just have done a complete turnaround,

around. I know how much the school of business has had to go ahead, Bill, and take over the slack with the revenues that come in from students and the number of students that are taught in a business class versus one in DEI, which is like 10 to 1. So DEI essentially gets subsidized, in your opinion, given how many students are in it versus how many people or students are in the business class, right? Is that it? Oh, absolutely. But let's look at the facts. If we look at the educational, first of the budget, and anyone can look into this, you know, for Oregon, is $1.85 billion. We're talking about $15 million. And then we go ahead and say, okay, what is it for public education? Well, there's different ways of looking at it, but it comes to about heading from $1.75 to $2 billion. actually to 200 million.

And how much are they talking about with SUU? 15 million. So where in the heck have been our democratic representatives in terms of ESO? Because all of your listeners I know know of an SOU alumni that has either been an accountant, working as an accountant, working in terms of a bank, working in terms of Lithia, working in terms of all the places. We need SOU. But the SOU has been basically sold out by the far-left representatives in southern Oregon.

Well, how was SOU sold out by the left-wing representation? I'd be curious to know. Because they're not fighting. They're not fighting for a higher amount of money to go in from the state. It's peanuts compared to DEI and whatever else is going. And so when you have Brad Hicks versus maybe it's Denise Krauss, you've got to go with Brad Hicks. And because what's going to happen with the people who are with the Democratic Party here, with the percentage of the Democrats that are really radical socialists, SOU is running into more problems.

But who gets the blame? Rick Bailey, the dean, because they have had such a diminished amount of monies coming in from the state. to the Democratic representatives in Southern Oregon. And that was what was leaned into me by a couple off the record who are still there teaching at SOU and they've never voted for a Republican in their life. So they're not looking at this from the Republican evil or whatever it is, but they're just looking at even their friends haven't helped them or have abandoned them. Is that kind of what you're implying here? What we should look at, Bill, is the fact that let's look at education. We're seeing the state. of socialized education, what happens when people who are far left and Democratic get their hands off, hands-on, a budget, and look at the way that education has fallen downhill. All right.

Well, let me interject here, Dennis. Is there a possibility that maybe not, believe me, I'd be the last to defend Pam Marsh or Jeff golden, all right? isn't there a demographic drain that is going on here with Southern Oregon University and all the rest of them in which there are, well, we're looking at fewer kids, fewer graduates from high school, and that would ultimately be fewer students. Isn't that a reality, or am I not looking at that clearly? Well, if we take a look at the high school, my friend, these are excellent points, but the high school, Ashland High School, look at some of the high schools versus SOS. they have an ability because of the way that the Democratic Party comes right behind. Vote yes.

You're going to have a high budget that continues for Ashton High School. But we don't have that for SOU. There's a distinction that's being made here. And also when you take a look at the kids that come out here with the way that the Democratic Party gets out, even the kids to have. Well, yeah. Oh, they're certainly willing to throw. a lot of money at the failing K-12 system. Okay, and I think that, I think you have to look at the very politically powerful teachers'

union at the root of that, okay? And we don't have that for higher education. It doesn't have the self-interest involved in the union and all the points that you know so well. Yeah, so professors at SOU don't get Democratic shills elected, but K-12 teachers do, right? Yeah, because you see what happens there is that until we had the complete cutting down by Salem in terms of tuition into higher education and into SOU as you had that, then you had the cutbacks coming in.

And so now what you're looking at, what almost happened 30 years ago, my friend, in terms of Steve Reno, who was a wonderful, excellent president, was the fact that it was almost going to be Oregon University. the Ashland campus. But once you get that control coming in and the impact that's going to come in from a total Salem-dom-dominated SOU, you're going to be losing the ability of having very good people coming in here. So you've got to vote against the Democrat representatives here. Why? Because they are continuing the representation of DEI and all these other things. They're not going to switch and change from their philosophy. So they're wedded to the political full.

philosophy of DEI. Okay, got it. Rather than, okay, let me just, and because of that, though, isn't there a case to be made that maybe kids aren't looking at SOU or even the University of Oregon system as a good educational bet to go into lots of debt for a doctor? I've heard a lot of people getting out of high school are saying, hey, you know, this whole idea, I remember when Governor Kulengoski back in the day came on the show and last spoke with me about this, everything was about go to college, go to college, go to college, and I raised the issue as well, what about the cost of it and the debt? And that was starting to grow back then. That was probably 10, 12 years ago. It's only gotten worse. And many people are saying, hey, I'm going to go get a trade instead.

You think that might have something to do with what we're seeing at SOU? Any kind of influence in that? That's a very good argument and a good point. Balancing it, though, for SOU, is that when you look at SOU's tuition, which has gone up. And when we look at SOU's tuition bill, what we see is the fact that other public institutions are seven times more the annual tuition of SOU. And what you're having is that we still have an attraction because people want to retire here. And so that's why you have some pretty good professors that come in. But, you know, because of the fact that they're looking at it, they have a very, you know, a good, strong background of teaching. They got their doctor. They got all these good things. Yeah. And the bottom line is, though, is that Bailey's,

you think Bailey's going to be able to save it and keep the independence of SOU? I don't know. And the reason is, I think they'll be continuing as an independent, but it might be part of OU. And you see, that's the alternative. And you see, my friend, the problem that we're seeing here is what happens when the far left is able to get control of the governorship and all of the administration in terms of attorney generals and to spend their money fighting Trump instead of the money coming into local, regional public institutions. Well, maybe what the professor should do is join the Oregon Education Association. Oh, we can have a fun time whenever you had the time to talk about the union that represents the different professors there that you have to join as part of that. Oh, okay, but it's certainly not as powerful as the OEA. Hey, Doc, let me set that aside.

We have some people want to ask questions about this. I'm going to go to the calls with you, okay? Oh, sure, but I'd like to have you with me as well. Okay, I certainly will. Hi, good morning, KMED. Who's this? Yes, good morning. Terry. Hey, Terry, you're on with Dr. Powers. Go ahead.

Yes, Mr. Power. Say, hey, okay, I got a lot of question for you. You know, where everybody always has to use allegedly of the alleged shooter, what really would happen to somebody if they just say, hey, it's the shooter? Has anybody ever really gotten in trouble saying this guy's the shooter? I don't know, but Dennis, can you answer that one? That's an interesting one. You know, we always in the news world say allegedly out of the guys,

because you do, well, I think most of the time you don't want to get sued, isn't that right? Yeah, and you know, it's a good point. And Bill, you're absolutely right, where they're using allegedly now in terms of anything that was even clear cut because they don't want to be sued, and there are some big lawsuits going through in Washington, as we know. So good point. Yeah, you could be right there and have seen the guy pull out the gun and shoot someone, but, you know, you would still report it as allegedly because until it's adjudicated court of law, that's the deal. All right.

Thanks, Terry. One more call here, and then we turn into a pumpkin for the week. Anyway, hi, who's this? Morning. This is John. Hey, John. I just wanted to talk about DEI at SOU. Yeah. In 1977 and 78, I was an instructor at SOU. Each department, they sent out these questionnaires to the kids, and I won the award as the best instructor in that department. Congratulations.

What department was it? It was sociology anthropology. Oh, good. And I was teaching family counseling and counseling adolescents. But two weeks later, I was fired. And I went to them, and I said, so why am I fired? Because I won the best teacher award. No, we have to hire a woman.

So I was fired because they decided to hire a woman. And that was 50 years ago, right, John? That was 77. It was in 1978. that that happened to me. And since then, from what I've seen and from the people that I know who are also instructors there, the quality of instruction has gone down. I couldn't even give a lecture now in the master's program for psychology because it's so woke. I don't agree with almost everything they're teaching. You know, I'm sorry to talk to kids. You can't even talk to kids

about relevant things or you'll be fired just instantly. Yeah, John, thank you. I'm going to put you on hold here and let the doctor respond to that, and maybe your experience was different in the law, in the business law side of that here, Dennis. No, and actually it's an action point, because I saw that battle coming in as the politics locally and up in Salem. And they're absolutely right, because at that point, I saw the pressures being put on to hire women to hire minorities all throughout. And my point was, I'm happy to, you know, vote for it, but I just are looking for what is the best teacher for SOU, and that's the way that we always

did it. Yeah, it doesn't sound... That's what happened up in Salem. But to John's point, is there a possibility that all this drama about trying to save Southern Oregon University from its takeover from its budget problems is really trying to save a dead and dying University of Oregon institution of one form or another because, well, it's still all DEI. The way John's talking about it was it was starting back then. Has anything changed? Would anything change by saving it? Okay. To answer that, and I'm not going to be going into details, when I was hired, I had a lawsuit that came against me against us. from a woman applicant that had been turned down.

It was dismissed out of hand, but I experienced that, and that was in 1991. And then all throughout, we've been battling this, and the reason is that in a small university like this, and I'm sorry for the callers going through that, that has been part of the problem, and that comes in for one reason. very quickly. The reason is that you have the national accreditation that is appointed politically that comes down and makes a review on a local institution like SOU, and they will put in recommendations so you can get accreditation so you can get student loans. They then, my friend, will go ahead and say, you need more women because that's just what we think. Okay. And that's great then, but that kind of sells my point

that maybe it just needs to die, Dennis? Well, according to the people who are there and their jobs who have been there for 20 years, I respectfully disagree. All right. Well, I appreciate that. We'll just leave it on that because, you know, in some ways, they're making the case to let it die, you know, and yet that's not a happy thing either. I get that. I understand that.

The economic impact here would be terrible. Yeah, agreed with that. Thank you, John. Thank you, Dr. Dennis Powers, and thank you listeners this morning. And we'll talk more next Monday, okay? Thanks so much, Dennis. Always a great talk. All right.

Take care. Really appreciate that. Dr. Dennis Power is retired professor of business law on KMED. Butler Ford has X plan pricing. What is X plan pricing?