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Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Morning News and more, and Haley McNamara, SVP at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation talks the social media chat bots sexxing up kids? Appears so.

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Herman Baratschegger. Will the Democrats be raising taxes? Herman, is that a rhetorical question? Well, we don't know, though. They do need the Republicans. Do you think the Republicans would cross the aisle to raise taxes in the state legislature? I don't know. You know, when you have folks like Emily McIntyre, you know, well, we have to make friends with all of our Democrats. They'll see what wonderful people we are, and then they'll help us pass our bills. I don't know. We'll talk with that about Herman, with Herman a little while on this one. We're also going to be talking about this interesting trend in which the meta chatbots I guess are apparently willing to talk sexy and sex up kids online.

What might be done about this? What could be wrong with turning our kids and grandkids over to chatbots? We'll talk with Haley McNamara, who is a senior vice president of strategic initiatives and programs at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. I'll bet you she has an opinion about that. Do you have an opinion on Trump's first 100 days. We can talk about that. 7705633770KMED. Today's the day. Today's also Charlie's birthday. But I think it's probably more important that it's Trump's 100th day. Charlie, my Ali cat. My weird little Ali cat. April 29th. It's been here a year and he's just as weird today as he was the day we brought

him home from the shelter. Don't touch me. He's starting to get used to being touched now. I will give you that much. Boy, I'll tell you, he's just an odd. There's a part of us that actually wonders if he was beaten before he was taken to the shelter because you know, you take the your hand down and get ready to pet him and he kind of holds back and now he's getting to the point where you know we have forced the huggings and the and the petting and the stroking and he's now starting to almost tolerate it. So there we go. That's my personal 100 days of Trump. So Charlie's here, he's fine, but Trump, how would you rate Trump? Let's talk about that here for just a moment. I would say when it comes to border, smash out A, on an A through F, I would say A.

The economy, at this point in time, I'm going to say incomplete. Would you agree with me on that? We don't know where it's going to go. There's a lot of work of reshoring, a lot of manufacturing, a lot of drama which is going on here, a lot of tariffs, a lot of tariff drama and uncertainty. And if there's one thing that commerce doesn't like, it's a lot of of uncertainty they will not tend to invest in something unless they know that there are you know secure steady kind of hands on on the tillers and so we don't know we don't know he kind of detonated a grenade in international trade but maybe a grenade

needed to be detonated in international trade a lot of people saw 401ks go down then they saw him go up, now they're going sideways. I mean, who knows? Who knows? Gold is continuing to indicate that they think that the international order is going to be under some stress. But maybe this is what has to happen. Maybe this is what has to happen.

So I'm going to say it's an incomplete. I'm guardedly optimistic. I do wish that there was a little more planning before some of these tariffs went out. You know, when you're going back and forth and you know, whoever gets an exemption is the latest person who is in the White House. I don't think that's necessarily conducive to a good trade policy. I don't know, we'll find out. We'll probably hear about who is going to get some exemptions on a tariff tonight because President Trump is going to be doing his rally in Michigan. And of course, Michigan,

big auto, right? And the rumor has it that the auto people have his ear right now saying, you know, tariffs are really killing us because even parts, they're all coming from someplace else. We'll see what happens. We'll be able to report more on that on tomorrow's morning show. But I would say definitely today, as far as the basic grade for Trump, border security, and work in that situation, an A. I can't say exactly an A. We'll just call it an A. Very, very good. The economy incomplete, we just don't know. A little too early to

tell so what do you think 7705633770 KMED I'm looking here on Axios is pushing this poll today and it has to do with, most Americans now see Trump as dangerous dictator, poll says. This is on MSN and it's on the Axios sneak peek. The majority of Americans say President Trump is a dangerous dictator who poses a threat to democracy and believe he's overstepping his authority by actions such as mass firing of federal employees. There should never be any mass firings of anybody because each and every one of those people is needed. It's needed to keep us free and safe and comforted, I guess. But anyway, this is how they describe it.

The wide-ranging poll released Tuesday on Trump's 100th day in office is the latest sign of him losing Support for his immigration and economic policies the two issues that largely fueled his election So I go to the end of the Axios MSN story It's the American values survey conducted online from February 28th to March 20th, polled based on a representative sample of 5,025 adults, age 18 and older, living in all 50 states, who are part of Ipsos' Knowledge Panel.

Oh, okay. So these are people who signed up to be part of a polling group. I looked that up. That's what the Ipsos's knowledge panel. So they signed up to be part of the poll. Now I think there were some money and and parting gifts that were involved with you getting there. How do you imagine that poll was conducted? It's an online poll by the way. No talking people anymore. So, well hello pollster, uh, poller. Do you, do you think Trump is a dangerous dictator? Why

yes, I've heard mainstream media talking about him being a dangerous dictator. I think he was! Can't you, wouldn't you love to be in on how that poll was conducted? By the way, do you think that his economy is making it worse for you? Well, yes, I've been told it's worse for me, so yeah. What about your 401k? Yes, it's down! Remember, Axios is pushing this, the Axios group. Now I just wanted to do one minor reminder of what Axios is all about.

You know over the weekend there was that White House Correspondents Dinner where they all get together and they pat one another on their back. Well there's a guy from Axios who writes for Axios, Alex Thompson, who was there. He also did a tell-all book on, on Joe Biden. After the fact though, but yet he admitted that they lied about Biden the whole time here. I mean, he even talked about it. They applauded him a bit.

White House Correspondence Association is as necessary as ever. President Biden's decline and its cover-up by the people around him is a reminder that every White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception. It's kind of funny that he seems to be, you know, not very self-aware because Axios and him were part of that deception, but I continue here. But being truth-tellers also means telling the truth about ourselves. We, myself included, missed a lot of this story. And some people trust us less because of it. We bear some responsibility for faith in the media being at such lows.

I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust. And being defensive about them further erodes it. We should have done better. I believe our mission... Okay. So there we go. That's the guy from Axios, the same group which is pushing the poll today. Most Americans now see Trump as a dangerous dictator.

Yes, people are very upset that trendy Arouagla dirt bags are being sent back. And they were not having hearings for everybody that never belonged here in the first place. Of course, the courts battle him on that. I don't know. Consider the source is all I would say. It's 20 minutes after 6. 7705633. What grade would you give Trump overall? What about border?

I think border, home run, A, so far. And the economy isn't incomplete. Guardedly optimistic. What say you? Let's talk about that. This is the Bill Meyers Show. The purchase of another cutter manufacturing machine has spurred speculation in the offices of Fontana Roofing. Yes, we'll custom fabricate them on site in your choice of 30 colors.

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and I'm on 106.7 KMED. 622, delighted to have you here on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Join in, 770-5633. Interesting story, we had a mom and her daughter from California in Jackson County jail this morning. They're accused of passing fake, funny money bills all over Jackson County. 42-year-old Samantha O'Neill, 18-year-old daughter Jamie O'Neill, arrested Saturday morning. Sheriff's deputies found them in the Hobby Lobby parking lot. Samantha was found to have over seven grams of meth and a meth pipe on her. This may have been why

they were passing funny money. I guess you have a habit to support both women facing three counts. First degree forgery, three counts of third degree theft, ten counts of criminal possession of a forged instrument, rather, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Methamphetamine possession too. So they were passing fake $20 bills at all sorts of white city businesses. The ones that apparently got taken Medford Hobby Lobby, white city locations of Dutch Bros, McDonald's, and Starbucks. They traveled from Lodi. They decided to not be stuck in Lodi like the old song any longer and came up here and decided to stick to businesses. And they figured that there's going to be more

of them, more businesses coming forward. So if you think you got stuck with the funny money, get in touch with the Jackson County Sheriff's Department, okay? 776-7206. So that's probably our top criminal story here in Southern Oregon. All right. President Trump, give him a grade. That's our top national story, 100 days. I'd say A for the border, incomplete on the economy because we're just not going to know here for a little while. It's in the very beginning.

Today is the 100th day. Crazy Gene, let's see if you're crazy or not. What's on your mind, huh? Of course, I'm not going to disappoint. But yeah, I think Trump is getting to get an A. Because how can he do better than he does do with all the trouble he has getting anything through? Because he still has traitors in his department. It's not as bad as the first time, but they're there. I think that's why in spite of some people are saying that Pete Hickseth should go, right? You heard those kind of stories because of the signal scandals which kind of... I'm shaking my head over that, but be that as

it may, I think that they, there's the assumption I think going on that there is so much hinky still left behind by people from past administrations and some of the lifers that you got to circle the wagons around all the Trump loyalists. Is that kind of the way you're looking at this right now? Oh yeah. And there's also lizard people working in there too. You got to watch them because they try to eat you.

Okay, now when you say lizard people, you're not speaking about it like the coast to coast thing in which you look out of the corner of your eye and all of a sudden the person, like someone in the Bush administration would look like an actual reptile person. You're not one of those, right? You're not thinking that they're all,

it's like a version of They Live, you know, that old John Carpenter movie. Yeah, that's a good movie. You did watch it. I know you did. Yeah, of course I did. Everybody watched that. It's kind of cheesy, but it was kind of fun. You know, there was a real point to that in which you all feel like we need to get those glasses, those special glasses like the protagonist, I forget the name of the character in it, but you know, you'd put the glasses on and then you'd see people as they were and you would see the propaganda for what it was. It was kind of like your red pill, but you put them on your glasses.

Yeah, just like, do you know where we can get some of those glasses? I don't know. Well, they're probably being tariffed right now, so I don't know. There may be an embargo. I'll get back to you on that one, okay? Well, if you find them, I want a pair right now. Yeah, I want to set up a shop, all right? Thanks, Gene. Have a good one, okay? Okay, thank you. All right, so Gene rates him an A. Okay, like I said, an A and an incomplete. I'm just looking

at the border and the economy. You know, when it comes to the culture battles, I would also have to say that very good. A minus B somewhere in there, digging into this whole situation of the crazy absurdities that we have been asked to believe for a long long time now that All the man has to do is put on a dress and change the hairstyle and then they are a woman He's fighting back hard against that courts of course are continuing to fight him on this too But that's a fight worth having that's a hill worth dying on in my opinion 7705633 we're grading Trump this morning on the 100th day.

Good morning. Who's this? Morning, Bill. Tom here. Tom, always good to have you on one of the early risers here in Southern Oregon. Yeah, actually a little late getting to the plate here, but I'm still in touch as to what you're talking about, but what really strikes me is the lying that's going on. You've heard me talk about this before.

Somehow, I don't know how or why, but I woke up with the government lies with the Vietnam War. I saw through it, and my assumption ever since then has been that the government is lying until proven otherwise. But I don't know why other people can't see it. I'm kind of baffled by it. But I think of all the wars after Vietnam was a lie, 9-11 was a lie, Waco was a lie, and then finally you end up with climate change, that's a lie. I mean, we're just being lied so much. And now

you're pointing out the lies to the media, I don't know how we get past it. Because all these people that are protesting the elimination of criminals out of our country... Which to me just shows how brain dead or how propagandized such a great number of people are. Now these people, let's say that, okay you got 40% of the people being pulled in that Axios Ipsos poll that I was talking about. Let's figure that 40% of them are progressives, let's say 35-40% somewhere in there. Do you

really want the trend of our Aragwa, domestic violence criminals and the drug gangbangers and everything else, you really want them in your neighborhood? Seriously? You have a problem with these people being removed when they shouldn't have come here in the first place. But once again, it's kind of going into that pathological altruism that was talked about. Right? So, what's in it? I've been on a planet for quite a while now and it's just been continuous lying and I don't know how we're gonna get past it because I feel like I'm walking the land of zombies with people that's so brainwashed. This thing with COVID, I mean, my God, it has killed so many

people here locally. I think Governor Brown should be pursued and brought to trial and all that stuff, but no one talks about it. And it just, the lies just keep on rolling out. What can we actually do? What can we actually do? I'll give you my honest opinion. I'll give you my honest opinion. As long as we still have public education forcibly funded and you force children to go to it, and it's run by government teachers that belong to essentially a government teachers union, that sort of thing, who are in charge of, who are in charge, frankly, of electing the politicians who then continue to money launder into the

teachers union. Now I'm not saying that all teachers are this way, but the people, the people who are adults today who have that lack of critical thinking also went through the public school system by and large? Well I think that's a huge part of it. It's been said, the Founders said that for our kind of country to exist, you need people who are moral and they have to be educated and informed. We don't have that anymore. No we do do not. Unfortunately, we do not. I think of my conversation yesterday with State Senator Noel Robinson, and of course he was homeschooled, and now has the entire family has all sorts of doctorate degrees, and they're very successful

people, all of them in their own field of study. And you look at House Bill 3624, which Noah and I were talking about yesterday, which is designed to get more of the Oregon Department of Education and the teachers unions clause into the people who are the most successful and best educated in the entire state of Oregon. They want to talk to the, they want to, you know, get their clause into the home school. Oh yeah, they want to make sure they can pass their climate crisis question. Exactly! There you go. It's a classic sign. They want to mandate that human-based global warming, you're going to teach this, you're going to inculcate them in this fraud, this theory, right? This

theory. And I would continue to say this theory, which has been bandied about here for a number of decades now. Oh, yeah. Okay. So here we are. We're in the land of zombies. And how in the world do we do to get past it? That's the question. Now you say, yes, get the government out of asked it. That's the question. Now you say yes, get the government out of education, separation of government education. That's a great start. There's a lot more to it than that, but you know, at a certain point, you know, people have to start seeing the lies. I just... They also have to see the lies within their own political teams too. I think... Oh, absolutely.

And that's really hard. We're tribal people though. We want to get along, we want to have friends. I also think this is one of the problems that the Republicans have in Salem. The Emily McIntires, we always bring up Emily McIntire, very nice woman, but I think as far as a politician, dumb as a rock, okay?

You know? And the thing is, you want to get along with people you don't want to have to be like Dwayne Young Chris is no I'm not buying your crap. You know people want to be liked and That gets in the way of truth. I think maybe that's what it is So if we were all just not caring if anybody liked us then we would get to the truth. Maybe I don't know I keep I keep saying our stupidity and ignorance is actually being cultivated from higher up. And it's not just happenstance that we have a crappy education system here. Well, what's the point of being a member of the elite if the regular folks out there can

have most of what you have? Yeah, that's why. So maybe that's where we go here, Tom. Appreciate the call as always, but thank you on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. We're grating Trump and talking about other things this morning. We'll break for the rest of the news that's going on. And then why is this about parents turning their kids over to the meta chatbots? Is there a problem with that? We'll talk to someone who's looked into this issue. Service is the difference with Sweetwater Sanitation, your experts for sanitation services and portable restrooms. We'll talk to someone who's looked into this issue. can inspect, service, and repair your septic tank, which should be pumped every three to five years. Call 541-821-1426 and visit swsmodoc.com,

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Thanks so much for having me. Hey, could you tell us a little bit more about the NCOSC, this National Center on Sexual Exploitation. They've actually been around quite some time really. Yeah, we've been around since about 1963 and so we have a long history. Our goal is to try to prevent sexual abuse and exploitation at mass scale. So we work on the full web of exploitation and abuse from pornography, child sexual abuse, sex trafficking, prostitution, all across the gamut. And of course, unfortunately, we are increasingly focusing on the online spaces. That's where people are and unfortunately,

people are being exploited there. We work with survivors through civil litigation. We do public policy at federal and state level and also corporate responsibilities. So we're unfortunately very busy but we have thankfully every year we have victories, progress is happening, but it's a tough tough path. There's a lot of hard things out there. Would it be fair to say that the greater culture or maybe I should say the lesser culture does not really support your goals and works at cross purposes to you to ending sexual exploitation and abuse? Unfortunately, you know, it's funny people will say, well, everyone has to be on board

with your organization. But especially when we think about things like online safety, a lot of these corporations are focused really on profit and engagement above all else and they don't prioritize online safety, which is why we need to stand up in that void. Okay. Let's talk about the latest here in the Meta Corporation. The AI Chatbot, and this is an article that was out in the Wall Street Journal recently, that the AI chatbot, and this is an article that was out in the Wall Street Journal recently, that the AI chatbot on this particular site will end up sex talking with kids.

Is that essentially where it is? I don't know if I might be oversimplifying it, but could you break down what this is happening in the online world right now? Yeah, absolutely. This article was shocking because the meta AI chatbot, if anyone has Instagram or Facebook, you've seen this. They're really pushing this feature. And what the Wall Street Journal did is they engaged in hundreds of test conversations

with that bot, and they found that Meta AI was willing to engage in and even escalate discussions that were incredibly sexual, even with underage users. And yes, and they even got incredibly explicit in conversation, I'm talking just walking through sexual role play scenarios, even of role play scenarios like school children. So it's incredibly disturbing. And what makes it increasingly disturbing is that the way that this happened is that internally,

Meta essentially just decided to loosen their guardrails around the bots that would have prevented banning explicit content, explicit conversations. But they loosened those guardrails because they wanted to keep people engaged on their app for as much as possible. So when this first launched, everyone thought it was fairly safe. Meta is a large company, so certainly it's a well-established brand. People figured it would have guardrails, but they intentionally decided to remove those. Now how serious does it get? Did the Wall Street Journal, and maybe you've checked into this too, is it one of these

things where the chatbot will actually, okay, what are you wearing? I'm sorry to be crude about it, crud or crass, but what are you wearing? Or show me yours and I'll show you mine or something. And is it that open or is it? Essentially. Really? mind or something. Is it that open? Essentially. It's essentially turned into a chatbot version of a 900 number where you call and it's talking you through explicit sexual scenarios. Okay. All right. Now, is there any law? I don't think there's any legislation against that right

now. Maybe not. or should there be? Not right now, yeah, it's fascinating because legislation always lags behind technology. I believe that there are, there is some chat bot legislation being proposed in I think two states right now, but it's in really early stages. So right now in the AI space,

we're really looking to the corporations to practice responsible safety by design. But it's disturbing when we see that at the end of the day so many of these companies engagement is their guiding light. It's their North Star even at the expense of safety. Is there a possibility Haley that this was an inadvertent bug in the in the system right now? And the only reason I bring this up is that Facebook and Meta had taken a lot of hit or a lot of incoming over the last administration because of censorship during the COVID time, etc. Now we weren't really dealing with the chat bots back during the COVID censorship world.

We weren't doing this. This has been a more recent rollout. And is there a possibility that, you know, Mark Zuckerberg and others are a little sensitive or highly sensitive, I guess, about potential censorship issues, even with their own chat bot? I'm just, you know, raising the possibility at least. It's a good question. The interesting thing was that, you know, when this chatbot first launched, it had guardrails to prevent any kind of explicit conversation. And it was

an intentional decision internally, even product managers saying that that decision was ultimately made by Mark Zuckerberg himself to remove that very specific boundary around sexually explicit conversation. How? Internal staff members said that they even cautioned that decision saying that it could result in problems including, you know, underage users having access to bots willing to engage in what amounts to fantasy sex with children. And so internal staff did caution leadership at Metta about this specific issue and they unfortunately still went ahead.

Yeah, so this doesn't seem to be just a mistake. It was a calculated decision. All right. Now, when you have a situation like this, I have not signed up for a Facebook account for years and years. I've just had one forever. If you're a kid, do you have to verify your age? Do you know?

I'm sorry, you can ask that. I should probably know this. I just don't have any children in my life right now, signing up for Facebook. Yeah, no, it's a good question because I think there are all of these assumptions at such a large corporation which has a significant amount of young teens and teens on it. You know, Meta, I remember, had Facebook and they have Instagram. Yeah, Instagram is probably the younger demo on that, I would figure. Yes, and this Meta AI chat is on there.

In fact, it's integrated with the search so that any time you go to search, you're immediately engaging with this AI tool. And there's essentially no real age verification. You know, they say they have to be 13, but people, children lie about their age all the time. And while Meta would have the ability to detect age lying and prevent minors

from signing up, they don't. So there's a sense, and especially with this AI chat, there's really no age gating around it whatsoever. An adult and a 13 year old are having access to the same tool with no extra guardrails. And I would imagine from a corporate standpoint you probably don't want any age barriers to getting in there. The whole idea is to get as many people in there, get as many clicks and likes and emojis and everything else, you know, flying back and forth. They probably don't really want any restriction on that. Would that be fair? Yeah, they're very reticent against any kind of regulation.

I mean, this whole thing happened because engagement is their North Star to such a degree that they were willing to remove safety measures. So, they're certainly not putting extra roadblocks that would maybe reduce their number of users or have users spend a little bit less time on their platform, unfortunately, they're really not prioritizing online safety in any way. And a big reason that they don't, in my opinion, is because of this law called Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. And what Section 230 does is it gives online platforms broad immunity for things happening

on their site, even in cases, which can make sense in some cases, right? Like you shouldn't be able to sue, met Facebook just because, you know, a neighbor said something mean about you in a group chat on Facebook. Exactly, yeah. But there are all of these cases where these online platforms knowingly or negligently or recklessly are facilitating sexual abuse and exploitation and it's completely foreseeable and we're even sometimes it's facilitated as a matter of design by these platforms, but they don't have a broad immunity because of this law.

So they don't have any kind of civil liability. And what that has done is it set up their incentive so that they don't have to have safety as a key incentive. They don't have an incentive to make sure that children are safe on their platform. Their incentive is just to make money, gather user data, keep people addicted on their sites. Yeah, and get the stock price as high as possible. Sure. Okay. Yeah, we get this. All right, section 230 is a really interesting, really interesting law. I know there have been calls to repeal that or change it in some cases. And is there a possibility that now that the Is there a possibility that now that the current crop of social media companies, Facebook and you have Zuckerberg there hanging out in the White House, they've all kind of buddied up

to the Trump administration. Do you think that this was part about maybe buying some favor or buying a light touch here? Is there any push to maybe continue with modifying Section 230 for this reason, to apply some liability when you're leaving it wide open for the kiddles? Yeah, absolutely. I think it's pretty transparent when the big tech CEOs, they'll just hop from one side of the aisle to the other.

Maybe personally, but as businessmen, they're not ideological and they're trying to cozy up to whoever is in power to try to preserve. They've got a pretty good thing going of being the least regulated industry in human history. But we absolutely believe there is growing bipartisan support for repealing or seriously amending Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. How would that actually work, though? What would the online world like with How would that actually work though? What would the online world like with a Facebook or a Meta or an Instagram or a X or how would that differ? How would it be different then for a kid getting online? So the fantastic thing about it is that it really would just shift the priorities for

these companies. You know sometimes the companies will will say, oh, it would break the internet. We would be suddenly liable for everything on our site. We wouldn't be immediately liable for everything. It would just be, say that survivors have the opportunity to go to court and make their case. Some of those lawsuits would fail because they wouldn't be able to prove that the company had enough knowledge

or should have known. And some of them will succeed. So it's just a possibility that they could be held liable through due process in the court of law. They wouldn't be automatically liable for everything. So as an average user, your experience would not change at all on any of these platforms, but it would just internally shift what they have to focus on. It reminds me a little bit about how the amazing privilege that vaccine manufacturers have

too, being held harmless and Section 230 has kind of held social media harmless too, to a certain extent. It sounds though, one of the challenges with this as interesting as it sounds, you know, repealing or modifying Section 230, I can't help but think that Washington, DC would have an amazing ability to throw out all babies with the bathwater. That could be a problem, wouldn't you think? Right? Yeah, yeah. There are certain, like I said, things like defamation. You know, certainly the good thing is that free speech is not the same as Section 230. Free speech is still a key tenet in our law as well.

Yeah, so there's certainly big tech is fighting it. They don't want to have any kind of regulation, but it is fascinating. You know, no other industry has this kind of broad immunity, maybe other than the pharmaceutical industry, from liability. Car manufacturers, light bulb manufacturers, every kind of company faces this possibility for liability. And then they make their products safer. They do safety tests. They install seat belts. They make sure that there are air contacts. Some of these common sense things. We actually have a whole campaign, the Dirty Dozen List, where annually we name 12 mainstream companies that facilitate exploitation. But this year we changed it so that our Dirty Dozen List

is solely focused on repealing Section 230. So if people want to contact their legislators, I would encourage people to, you can go to geordiedesonlist.com and click take action now, it'll send off an email to your representative. But there is growing bipartisan support for this on the left and the right. So I think that there is potential to get this done,

but they do need to hear from constituents. Okay, how about something really simple? Don't put your kid in with an online social media account. How about that? Yeah, that works for a time and then as they get older it gets tougher and every parent is going to make their own decision there, but we definitely recommend trying to delay it as much as possible because these platforms are not safe for kids, unfortunately. All right. Haley, I appreciate you coming on and sharing a little bit about that. I just read a little bit of it, but yeah, having an online chat bot sexing the kid up, probably not a great way

to go, not a great policy. Hopefully, they will change and pull back on this kind of stuff. What was that Dirty Dozen website you were talking about again? What was that again? Yes, dirtydozenlist.com. dirtydozenlist.com. I'll post that on kmed.com and I appreciate you joining us from National Center for Sexual Exploitation. Okay? Be well. Thank you so much. Haley McNamara. It is 654 at KMED and 993 KBXG. Myra and I'm with Cherise from No WiresNow, your DISH Premier local retailer.

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we were talking about the folks over at the Robinson clan, the Art Robinson clan, and we were talking about House Bill 3624. Noah Robinson was talking about that yesterday. And this whole push to get the kids that are home-schooled into the clutches of your local school district, the local government school district. And I don't think it's a good plan and I'm hoping that NOAA will fight this and I'm hoping that the Emily McIntyres of the world will stop reaching across the aisle and will just back off on this.

This whole idea that they were going to provide some funding for some state-mandated testing. Well, you know darn well if we're going to start doing a lot of state-mandated testing of homeschooled, by the way, arguably the smartest kids that are kind of out there in the system right now, if they're wanting to mandate some testing and then the state wants to pay for it, it's going to be, are you properly indoctrinated to state Oregon Department of Education standards? That's really what we're talking about. And I think this is why this is so dangerous. And Holly popped me a message here, Bill, worth noting, Art Robinson's wife died, leaving six little kids. Art raised them as a single father and homeschooled all of them

while working from home. Every one of them went on to receive a Ph.D. level degree and become very successful. And now the family offers a homeschooling program. I think there are 19 grandkids from Arts, six kids in the Robinson family. They're all smart, well-behaved kids who are wholesome, polite, industrious, and easy to be around. They listen to their parents and they learn to read early. That's also a part of it. Yeah, and you know when the Robinsons talk about what actually worked in their family, they'll do remonstraces and talk about how to modify education in the state of Oregon and everybody looks at them as if they have two heads.

modify education in the state of Oregon and everybody looks at them as if they have two heads. Yeah, what's the real purpose here, huh? 7705633, let me grab a phone call or two, hear me for news. Hi, good morning, who's this? Hi Bill, this is Vicki from the Apple gate. Morning Vicki, what are you thinking here? Well, I was just listening about the internet. As you know, I don't have the internet, thank God, and I don't have any small children I have to worry about. But, you know, I think a solution would be any kid can come up with an ID and a fake birthday and because they're not being seen physically on the internet, they could pretend to be anybody they wanted, just like all these other people that pretend. Yeah, yeah, just like the perverts too, right? Perverts do the same thing. They'll pretend to be kids, actually.

Right, and so why don't they have some kind of live video where you have to, when you try and go on it, you have to like physically be seen by the internet program or whatever you're trying to get on and that way that would prove that it's some kid trying to get on there and not an adult and also, it would provide pervert spaces and Information so that they can go after these people that are exploiting the children, you know I just I think that it's so simple to me that that would be a good solution is to prove who you are.

I mean, you have to prove who you are when you go to Costco. I mean... Yeah, I know that, and that sounds really appealing. I have, I have felt that way from time to time too. And then I'm also held back. I know that a lot of nastiness on the internet, on the webs, on the chat rooms and on websites and public forums, a lot of nastiness comes through the anonymity of it in which anybody can call themselves whatever they want. And know you come up with You know an avatar and off you go and

Yet at the same time There's something that is really unhealthy about having to let everybody know who you are in order to be and communicate on the internet because I could see how that could really be used to crush dissent. And as it is right now, the anonymity of the Internet for many people in many ways helps a more truthful conversation in some ways. I get really concerned. I'd be really concerned about that on civil liberties. Well, and I understand that, but these are like, you don't have to do it on every site you go to,

just the ones that are potentially harmful to children and catch some of these psycho sex addicts, you know, so we can eliminate them. I mean, you know, back when Trump first ran, if you said anything that Facebook or one of these other entities didn't like, they kicked you off. Yeah, they did. Why can't they do that kind of thing for these, just the sites that are explicit and worrisome. All right. Interesting point. Thanks for making that, Vicki. 770-5633. Good morning. This is Bill. Hi. Who's this? Hey, Bill. It's Wild Salmon. Steve, what's on your mind there? Well, I've been, I'm old and got lots of physical problems and I can't do a heck of a lot. So I've been reading a lot and

the more you go back into history the more you believe that evil exists and it's just so apparent when it comes to the internet and I think the internet just makes it I think all it does is that it's an easier conduit to Transmit evil through and also good if you look for it. It's it's there, I think all it does is that it's an easier conduit to transmit evil through. And also good if you look for it. It's there. It's all there. Yes.

You can choose the narrow path upward or you can take the easy path downward. You can follow the awful things that people do and the ways that they try to get attention and this life is passing and You know, you have to make choices so Well, let me throw a thought out there. What if we are all eternal and At some point when we die we will go one of two places. I mean that's what the Christian religion basically says. So you can have this life, you can have anything you want to, but the next life will be forfeit

if you don't look up. All right. Thank you, Steve. 770-5633. Hi, this is Bill. Who's this? Good morning. Hello. Bill Brad here. Good morning to you. Morning, Brad. So, yeah, the education thing and talking about Art Robinson, you know, Bill, back in the old days, back when I was growing up in the Oregon public school system, the local

public school systems really were a reflection of the families because all the school districts were managed locally. In other words, we weren't managed from Salem. The school districts, the local school districts, they hired, it was our tax base that paid the bills. And that is no longer the case. That's no longer the case, is it? And Oregon had great academic performance. Back then, yearly, we had to do these SAT tests. And the SAT tests didn't test the kids. What they were testing is how well the teachers in the school systems were doing. And Oregon was always right at the top.

So you really hit the nail on the head where you've got a system where Oregon has been at the bottom for a long, long time now. It's time for reform. It's time to change. And you know, just here in Medford, our largest school district, 549 has about 14,000 kids in it and the state of Oregon spends about $18,000 per kid per year. So just in 549C, you take 14,000 kids times 18,000 bucks and you divide that by nine months because it's a nine-month school year. Just the cash flow side is $28 million a month. $28 million a month that we spend here in our little school district.

I think parents have the right to expect better, don't you, Bill? Absolutely. I appreciate your call. And we're certainly going to be talking some more tomorrow, as we had mentioned, all right? Thank you, Brad.