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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at www.clouserdrilling.com. Appreciate you being here this morning and Commissioner John West, former commissioner, I should say John West, he is back on the program. Wanted to talk a little bit about the back and forth with Josephine County Commission, what's going on there with the new board. And Commissioner, first off, our former commissioner, welcome back, John. It's good to have you on. Welcome.

Thank you, Bill. Glad to be here. All right. Now, John, here's a couple things. Help me understand here why this controversy going back and forth between Simon Hare. Simon Hare and you are good friends. We know that that's pretty much the case. You've been good friends for a long time, from what I understand. He was the budget officer and he brought up some issues. It would appear that the board has reversed on some of those decisions earlier. Commissioner Ron Smith, who I believe you supported. Did you support him originally when it came time for election? I forget.

Yeah, I supported Ron financially and I probably put up at least a hundred of his signs for him when he ran for commissioner and made lots of phone calls, emails, text messages, trying to get votes for him, helped him out every possible way I could. Okay, so did you do the same thing for Chris Barnett? I don't know if you were a supporter.

Okay. So you were a supporter. That's fine. And everything now has seems to have changed around completely. And I'm trying to find out why. And maybe you could maybe shed a little light here because there's a part of us that, you know, if you're really into the politics, maybe this is a big deal.

There's another part of me, and don't take this the wrong way, but there's a part of me almost that's like that old Hillary Clinton quote in Benghazi, what difference does it make anyway? Josephine County's still broke. You know? And help us understand why this is important,

the concerns that Simon raised are important. Yeah, so they hired Simon as the budget officer because the finance director, Sandy Novak, had taken the buyout and she was the finance director and the budget officer all in one, which is normal. And so they needed a budget officer. And I'm going to say this, and maybe not everybody agrees with me, but I'll stand on it. There is, in my opinion, no one in Josephine County that has more experience and knowledge than Simon Harris. This guy is, I'm telling you, he is, it's amazing the knowledge this man has on the

county, the policies, the ordinances, and everything and how it works. And I think that the commissioners really have missed the boat by not using that man's knowledge on how the county runs. Now, did he have a personal issue when he was commissioner? Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what, you know, his knowledge and at what he, you know, his knowledge and of Josephine County. But, so his job was the budget officer. So he received this document, a schedule D, which is public record. So if you go back right now and look, you will see online, the schedule D form is public record, public knowledge.

And what does the Schedule D form do, John? So the Schedule D form, it lets, it's in the budget, in the budget book, and it lets the public know what the employees get paid and what each department spends on payroll and perks and all that. All right. This is a way that people know what their government costs because public salaries are not secret. Right.

Okay. Exactly. So, the schedule D was the final document. It was not a draft, as Ron Smith said. It did not say draft on it anywhere. And because he had given his authority over, he apparently didn't understand what was going on. And two is that schedule D was from the board, the Board of County Commissioners budget. He should have known.

If he was doing his job, he would have known what the salaries were, what the budget was for the board office. So he would have known what that was. But apparently, he didn't. And I heard him on your show yesterday talking about the budget, and he absolutely doesn't know what he's talking about. And he's been on Facebook apologizing for making comments about the budget and had it wrong. And it's just saddening that this is going on. But this whole form, this Schedule D was given to the budget officer.

That's Simon Hare. Simon Hare by the person who wrote the budget for, apparently, the budget for the board's office. And who was that? Well, it's my understanding it was Michael Sellers. Okay. So now I want to say one thing. There's a lot of stuff said about Michael. Michael is a brilliant IT and emergency manager. I

worked with Michael for two years. I hired him. I was one of them that helped hire the guy and I'm telling you, he does a wonderful job. He's a genius. He has all the qualifications, all the experience. He knows what he's doing. He did a phenomenal job while I was there. So I just would like to make that clear. But I hear a big but coming. But. So he gives the final Schedule D to the budget officer.

And this is supposedly with all of the compensation of the various departments including his own, including his. Yeah, yep. And so when Mr. Hare gets it, he sees it and sees the $388,000 for an operations manager and like what the heck is this? He brought it to my attention and I'm like what is going on? No one knows Chris, Ron, they don't know anything about it. They should know about it. It's their department's budget. Well then, I guess, you know, not talking to Simon here, I don't know if I want to talk with Simon at the moment because as I've talked to you about, you know, he can go a long, long, long time on certain things.

My question is, if there was a problem with this, why was it not brought before the board rather than I quit and then we're going to release this letter of resignation to everyone? What happened? Where was the thought process here? If we thought that there was something funny in this budget that we were going to create this very expensive position, $388,000, that's the number that we were all seeing on that document, John. Why wasn't this just brought to the board? So it was my understanding that it was brought up, but it was denied that it was happening, and the document now is being claimed that it is confidential information, it's a public

record. The board, if they were smart, and I'm going to say this very nicely as I can, if they were smart, they would drop this because this is not going to end well for them. When you say drop this, are you talking about the criminal charges or the charges against Simon? Yeah, yeah, it's stupid. There is no criminal charges. It's not a confidential document. It's a document that's open to the public. And why do you not want the public to see

a public document? Why are you making a big deal out of it? I think the narrative is, let's get the conversation off of what we haven't been doing and we'll put it onto Simon here and this is not going to end well. They want to bring the sheriff in, investigate, you know, and I listened to the whole meeting the other day. Wally was very, very careful and said, listen, you know, we'll investigate it to see if it's a confidential document. The board keeps using this as a confidential document. But if they understood the budget and their job, they would understand,

it's not a confidential document. I can go on last year and the year before budget, and I see a schedule D's in every one of them. You can go back and look at it. And this is something that the public was always able to see. Do you believe in, I'm just asking you to speculate at this point, is this something in your opinion that might be alluding to, okay, well, the plan was to boost things up and have a county manager, even though this had not been officially accomplished

or officially made the case? No, never, never a county manager. No. I don't believe now. I, you know, I'm not... Well, operations manager, director of operations, isn't that what he was at that time? Well, yeah, and I think that's different than a county manager because the operations manager isn't over 100% of every department where a county manager would be. Would be, yeah. So this wasn't about trying to bring a Danny Jordan style administrator into it, in your

opinion. You don't think that was the case? In my opinion, no. Now, I don't know exactly what all this board has going on, because if I did, I'd be telling not to be doing half the things they're doing. But I can tell you, they've done a great job. I'm not going to Monday quarterback them and say they shouldn't do this, shouldn't do this, shouldn't do this.

I'm just saying that when the everyday, they're a board of three, not a board of one, and they, Ron and Chris would understand more if they were involved in everything that was going on instead of sitting back. And you know, there's other issues going on here that concern me that no one's talking about. For example? Well, the sexual harassment charges against Ron Smith, he's admitted to them. And you know,

I find it very disturbing that it took a month for it to come out. And it just, it bothers, it bothers me that we talk about transparency and open and honesty. And the news media, you know, all I hear and read is Ron saying, well, I'm sorry I violated county policy. Yeah. You touched a woman and you've been in business for how many years? Yeah.

If I recall correctly, touched her hair. Well, that's still touching according to the county policy that and that's breaking a law that is going to cost the taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars. And no one's talking about that. And we want to get, we want to put the subject off on to Simon, who resigned. Then a day later, they fire him. How do you fire somebody that already resigned? It just seems like one stupid blunder after another.

And I don't know why they don't take a deep breath, sit back, get their act together and go okay we made some mistakes they don't have to announce that publicly. Okay well then how would you then former Commissioner West how would you look at them as moving forward at this point? What would you and now I know you can't help it Monday morning quarterback because this is what we're talking about it's what was done over the last few weeks here in this lead-up to the resignation and the disclosure of various things going on What moves it forward because well they stripped Michael Sellers of three of those of those titles that we have and The board ended up rescinding that authority for the

You know for the other commissioner, the one commissioner, to do all of the hiring and firing in the negotiations for that. So that's done. What else could be done at this point? Well, I would not get on... It's Andres Blancho... ...and make comments that represent the board or the county that aren't true that aren't accurate I mean and that's what I heard yesterday with Ron and that's why he's apologizing online saying oh yeah Ron fell on his sword from the IRS yeah Commissioner Commissioner Smith fell on his sword you know this morning about that okay yeah and Yeah, and it's just, they got to get their act together. I don't want to see them get recalled.

I don't want to see them get thrown out of office, but everybody's watching, and it just seems like it's one mess after another. And I just, I want them to be successful. I worked my tail off just like everybody else did to help these guys get into office. And I just want them to use my taxpayer money, just like everybody else's, correctly, wisely, and do their jobs. And they will be successful and they will shine.

John, aren't there political dogs in the fight there too? I would imagine you would probably like to get back into the Commission and I know Simon has said that he is more than... in fact he even said, you know, if there was a recall I'd be honored to serve or words to that effect or something like that. So there's a lot of... you know, it's not just completely open and shut, hey they're doing the wrong things, is it? Well, so Simon said that, and I talked to Simon about this, if something happened he does not want a long-term deal, but he would be more than happy to help the county and the board out if they needed somebody, if there was ever a replacement opening. As far as me, we have opening briefs

due on May 29th on the clerk. And so I'm, if I want back in office, I'll either get through the, I'll win it through the courts, which will verify that the recall and everything was illegal or I will do it through an election. At this point, I don't want to be appointed unless it was deemed by the public they wanted that. But if for me, I'll win and show that the recall was bad and that the citizens got duped on it. All right. Former Commissioner West, we appreciate you coming on and you're welcome. Thanks for sharing your take on it. It's... Boy, pardon me, just wants it to stop. Yeah, no, and I would like to see it stop, but it's when they get on news media and a show and then say wrong things and then have to go, it's like, stop, just don't get on until you

know what you're saying is correct. And, you know, they said they can't meet as commissioners and talk about the budget. Well, when I first got on the board in 23, we had liaison. I had five departments, I think four or five departments that sat down with me, each one of them. I went through their budget. I approved their budget to be handed in to the finance director. And so there is, it's not, they get to see the budget. They can see the budget. They can't deliberate. The word is you cannot deliberate

on the budget. So the commissioners cannot sit and talk about it prior to the budget meeting, but they can see the budget. Is this something that maybe buddy up a little bit closer to County Council, find out what is legal and is not legal? Yeah, they could be using County Council more. Ruth, who is in the finance department, that's in there, Ruth is a wealth of information that that lady is super smart. She is just a genius. And I don't know why they're

not relying on her more. I have no idea. I don't know. I just don't get it. They have employees, they have professionals, they have all this knowledge. And I don't know why Ron's calling the IRS. Ruth has every answer he could ever ask for. And that lady is, she is smart. That's why she's in there. She is a genius. I don't get it. I don't know what's going on. It just perplexes me.

All right. Former Commissioner West, we appreciate you coming on. You're welcome back when when you need to okay Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you former Commissioner John West Josephine County 835 This is KMED KBXG Crater chainsaw is fully stocked with Carhartt and it's all on sale starting Wednesday May 1st Shops bring Carhartt specials including 50% off all remaining women's Carhartt clothing in stock. There's a great selection of Carhartt for men too. Long and short sleeved t-shirts, jackets, coats, pants, bibs, gloves, beanies, rain defender gear and lots of hoodies with Carhartt down the sleeve. Sale and

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Conspiracy Theory Thursday. All calls, all takers. 770-5633. Not by anything on your mind. Steve's in Sunny Valley. We have Jim and Grants Pass standing by too. Who doesn't want to talk about the county? In your particular case, you do, Steve. You do want to talk about the drama, the back and forth that we see going on between the various factions? Yeah, I was, I was all behind John West. Uh, and I thought that the recall was really, uh, unjust and not the right way we should do politics. I think if we have an election, there are consequences to the election and you

just put up and shut up and try to do better the next time, but, uh, they, the people that put on the recall, they found the dividing point. And that is Republicans are very, very concerned about the budget and malfeasance. And they use that as a wedge, drawn out. But the poetic justice is, they got Andreas in in and boy, if there's a fox watching the chickens, there it is. But this last call with John, he sounded, he sounded just like crying Adam Kinzinger, who kind of did the same thing on a national stage, dividing the Republicans.

We're just given the pink hats ammunition and we just need to shut up and let them do their job be as supportive as we can give them the information we can but if you think that the guy that crashed his car drunk in front of a titty bar is a good source of reliable information you got a judgment problem. All righty, I appreciate the opinion. Thanks for calling, Steve. 7705633, let me go to Jim. Jim's here. Jim, you wanted to talk about the Ukraine War, and you served in the neighborhood at some point. Did I hear that right?

No, it was just an observation I made the other day. Oh, sorry about that. Go ahead. We don't have regular normal TV. I have DVDs when I want to watch something, I watch something. And I happened to pull out a movie out of one of my stash boxes, the 2005 version of War of the Worlds. And in that movie, of course, you know the storyline,

aliens and all those things. But what got me was the very beginning of the uprising of the aliens. They had a newscast on TV and it says, and the first strikes were two major strikes in Ukraine before the start of the war of the world. Oh boy, that was an interesting catch. Yeah, I ran it back just to make sure I saw for sure what I saw. That was in 2005, Steven Spielberg movie. I have to ask you, Jim, do you ever wonder if what comes out of Hollywood in some of

the scripts in the various movies, like the War of the Worlds, the update of that. And gosh, it's been 20 years, I think, since I saw that. But you ever think that there's a bit of government predictive programming that gets embedded in a lot of this stuff? I mean, this is a great Conspiracy Theory Thursday thought, I thought. Yeah. It's one of those things that I wonder a lot about those sort of things is simply because that's my job in this world is to wonder about things.

But anyway, I was kind of wondering, the collective consciousness of the world, which is or isn't, I have no clue, but perhaps it's something that's just in the air and every now and then it pops up. I don't really know. But that one, it was amazing because they showed Ukraine, showed two great big lightning strikes in Ukraine. And the beginning of that war on the world was in Ukraine. Yeah. And otherwise, why Ukraine of all the places in the world, to pick the first strike? Exactly. That was my point.

That was my point of how many countries there are in the world, but 200 plus, I'm sure. The older I get here, Jim, I don't know if you're this way, I start discounting. Well, it's just a coincidence. Yeah. All right. Now, just leave it at that. Just leave it at that. Thank you so much. Let me grab another call before news. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's

this? Hey, good morning Bill. Hi, who's this? Hey, this is Michael. Michael, what's on your mind? Well, let me start off on a positive note. I'm glad to see that we finally get the healthy fruit loops to feed our children. Well, I don't know if the fruit loops will be any healthier. It's still going to be a pretty high sugar carbohydrate, but at least it won't have the red dye in it, right? Oh, you mean they're not healthy? Yeah. You're funny guy. I love that.

Anyway, yeah, I wanted to bring up the new Oklahoma Senator wants to ban all human fetuses in food. And that's, I was like, what? So I looked into it and there's a company called Centimix out of California and they do biotech and they're creating flavors you know the natural flavors of pet pee we've had for the last 25 years that is in all the foods that even the dog food well it's actually made from a boarded kidney so always it like a cell line that they use to manufacture that yeah. I just was pretty disgusted at the distance. I just took all this stuff out of my... I only have one thing actually because I quit using that.

Anytime I see that ingredient, I go, you can't even make a claim on your food. So don't tell me it's non this, non that. Because you don't even know, not even the workers at the factories know what's in that product. All right, now are you talking about... Now, if you don't mind me asking here before you move forward, I was trying to look up that story. Was this a recent story? Because I know there was a state senator back in 2012, Ralph Shorty,

who introduced a bill banning aborted fetuses in food. Yeah, that was 13 years ago, the one I'm looking at. But the one I'm talking about just came out, I don't know if it came out yesterday or whatever. It's been opened, it's been, yeah, known about it since 2005 or something, so I quit using that and it was doing all the dog food and I didn't know what it was. Yeah. It caused my dog problems, so anyway.

Yeah, I think we could live in a world in which we didn't have aborted fetal cell lines in the in the dog food and in our food too, okay? Yeah, I think we could live in a world in which we didn't have aborted fetal cell lines in the in the dog food and in our food too. Okay. I think we can survive about that. You know what? When you talk though about babies or you know, aborted fetuses in that food chain there, you know what I couldn't help but remember it was a weird story that I read that in Africa and many other third world countries, people don't necessarily know how to read. There's not a high level of literacy in some of these countries. So when they put something in a can, when they have canned food, they put a picture

of what's in the can. It caused the greatest problem for the Gerber Baby Food Company because they put that picture of the baby, of the little baby on the label. And so, yeah, and then at that point they wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't buy it. They would say, oh, there's this baby inside here. We're not doing that. That's right. That's funny. Yeah, yeah. Wild story. Hey, thanks for sharing it. 7705633. That's a conspiracy theory Thursday call. Who can top that, huh? From the KMED News Center, here's what's going on. Josephine County Commissioners clipped the wings of unelected board chair, Andres Bleck.

Bleck had been given unilateral hiring and firing authority, a power that's supposed to be reserved for the elected commissioners. Well, that's now been revoked. The commissioners also stripped department head Michael Sellers of three of his five titles, including interim director of operations. That followed a vitriolic resignation letter from former Commissioner and acting budget officer Simon Hare, who criticized the board for delegating authority to Black and leveled an allegation that Sellers was running Josephine County. Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Reid is pushing back against the Trump administration's efforts

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Is it Comrade Tracy? Good morning. Good morning. Comrade Tracy, yes. Yes. Good morning. Happy May Day, Comrade! Happy May Day to you also, Comrade. What's on your mind Tracy? Okay, actually there is a Russian connection. If you've seen the movie Dr. Zhivago, at the end there's a hydroelectric plant in the Soviet Union and that dam is actually located in Spain.

Soviet Union and that dam is actually located in Spain. So in Western Spain, I think it's on the Duero River perhaps, but anyway the story about, I want to talk about just a bit here, the big power outage that impacted Spain and Portugal took out the entire grid. I was reading a bit on that. At first there was some concerns that this was due to reliability or relying rather on intermittent and chaotic renewables because they have a lot of that in Spain and it seems a little inconclusive at the moment or did you find out has more come out on this? I've even heard one person on expert claiming it's the difference in the temperature on the high-tension line between the lower and the upper elevations. Yeah and they

oscillate. The lines oscillate somehow, right? That sort of thing? Yes but the big problem was that 15 gigawatts worth of sources dropped in five seconds. And that's enough just to break things. Spain does not have the big hydro network that we have here in the Northwest or in Ontario or Quebec or wherever. So they are kind of at a disadvantage. They don't have any really big rivers and they've really kind of pushed back away

from the nuclear unlike France. So they set themselves up to fail and their grid is not as reliable and Portugal is basically dependent on Spain for that interconnectivity. So if Spain was going to fall, Portugal was going to go next. So that's part of the problem. But I wanted to point out something that you might want to pass around and start looking up on the internet. One of the big things that people started freaking out on when the power went out, I mean, you know, people had to get off trains and in the middle of nowhere and walk back to the station, you know, with the

electric trains. One of the things people start freaking out about, obviously, they got to go out and buy flashlights, of course. But there was a massive run for the street vendors on guess what? Guess what else? High demand. What's that? Any guesses? No, I don't. Radio! Really?

Yes. They snapped up radios left and right and they've had over 23 hours worth of outage and only it was radio that got through. So there's all sorts of, you couldn't go online and look it up, but literally the young kids are going around and trying to figure out how to make radios work and but all the street vendors quickly sold out of good old AM FM radios. Ha! Imagine that! Hmm. You know something else I'll bet that people were snapping up. I'm amazed how many people walk around in this world, Tracy, who don't carry flashlights? Oh yeah. We all have our little cellular phones that we can recharge and they have a little LED

light on them, but if your source to recharge those cell phones goes away, then you're out of luck. Classic flashlight, you're right. They're not around. So anyway, this was a great lesson. A lot of food was lost and unfortunately a few people died who you know, weren't ventilators and other medical machines. But all in all, it's just, it shows you how weak some of these power grids are and what do people look for in disasters? The only thing which I think may help us here is because of that amazing amount of base load power from the Bonneville section, or the Bonneville system rather, of power generation

on the Columbia. But of course, you know the Greens want those too. You understand that, right? They want that gone. We can't have any coal fire power plants. I don't know about Spain's coal fire power plants. I believe they're still around. There is a coal industry in northern Spain, but it's certainly not what it was. All right. Tracy, thank you very much. And Comrade, thanks for the reminder of it being May Day, right? Yikes. 7705633. There's a book I read many years ago. It's kind of a science fiction and dystopian novel. It was at the Earth abides. I forget who wrote

it. Great book, by the way. And it was about a massive disease, an extinction level that killed about 99.999% of the population and the remaining people. I remember one of my most interesting parts about it was how in San Francisco, the lights stayed on for months and months after the extinction because the hydropower stations were still going. Radios would still be turned on and playing, and yet even though there was nothing would still be turned on and playing and yet even though there was nothing to listen to, kind of spooky. It's like a good book, great book, The Earth Abides. Anyway, hi, who's this? Good morning, welcome. Hello. Hey Bill, it's Lynn. Lynn, how are you this morning? I'm excellent. It's a wonderful day, beautiful day. Good. This is a little bit out of left field, but that's a little bit of

a combination of conspiracy theory Thursday and pebble in your shoe Tuesday. All right, fire away. I'm generally a big fan of Trump and what he's been doing, but what I have not understood is what was all this about Canada becoming a 51st state, blah, blah, blah. And apparently, because of that, he angered the Canadians and they put into office the liberal and the conservative was 25 points ahead before Trump started trolling them. Oh yeah, it essentially flipped Canada blue, is what they did. I mean, it was already, it was trending, not that it's not a blue country, it is, you know,

overall, except for some of the provinces. Yeah, interesting, isn't it? What was he doing? I don't know if anyone has any ideas. Well, how about this? How about this for an idea? Huh? All right?

Maybe Trump knows that the whole push for all these big tech bros and everything else, even the ones standing in the White House that day, they're saying, oh, we're going to be going $500 billion in AI, yada yada yada, oh, we're going to do a sovereign wealth fund. Maybe he knew, oh, they're trying to bring in the technocracy. I'm going to throw a wrench in this one. What do you think about that conspiracy, huh? How would it be throwing a wrench in it though? Oh, no, the reason it's throwing a wrench in it is because the whole technocracy originally was

about merging Canada, Mexico, United States, and Greenland is what they were talking about in the 1930s. So maybe he knew that and said more. Oh, oh, so maybe he was thinking if the conservative, but I don't think the conservative would have gone for that. But anyway, now all the Canadians hate us and are mad at us, and so there's no way they would join up with us. That's what you're saying.

That's what I was guessing. I don't know if that was intentional or accidental. But it is true that in the 1930s, that was the plan for technocracy. And my whole concern for a lot of these tech bros, including Elon that I see hanging around, is that they're kind of big fans of that, of technocracy, the scientific dictatorship. You can't help but notice that. It is concerning. On the other hand, Elon Musk saved America single-handedly by buying Twitter. So I don't know what to make of all of it, but we just need to stand on top of it.

We'll take the good with the bad and then we'll and then we'll try to mitigate the bad. How about that? Yeah, right. Thanks, Lynn. Great call. Really. This hour of the Bill Meyer show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services. Visit FontanaRoofingServices.com. The Fontana Roofing Marketing Department is always looking for new ideas, but they're not always good. What's up? Well, I keep hearing other businesses with jingles,

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There's our stock pick for so much for the gangrene thing. That's right. All right, I I'm gonna look it up. Thanks for letting me know okay horse lady. And let me go to Gregory. Hello Gregory you wanted to comment on what was going on the the eviction of the homeless in the Deschutes forest which is reportedly going to happen today. Oh my yes is that similar to what would happen if they were to kick out the seven dwarfs out of the forest?

Were they ever homeless? I'll take your response off there. Thank you very much. Oh, okay. Well, let's see. At that point, no BLM, no forest service in that Disneyland. So, I don't know. Maybe public land back then truly was public land and you just built your little shack where you wished. I do know that even right now there's been a long time that you can only camp on public land for about 14 days and these people have been over in the Deschutes forest for quite some time. But I think my favorite part of this whole eviction thing is that they're trying to stop

it because there has not been an environmental impact study done on evicting them. So somehow allowing the pollution and trash to be there, no environmental impact done on that. But it is a very interesting world where we find ourselves folks. Email Bill at BillMeyersShow.com. We'll talk again on Find Your Phone.