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Episode Date: May 2, 2025

All the news in and out of the shuffle, Kevin Starrett at Oregon Firearms Federation - a freewheeling political talk on the situation and the idiotic militia bill being pushed in Salem.

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Dwayne Yunker's Facebook page and watch the videos of his remonstrances and it's not only entertaining but quite pointed to. But anyway we'll talk about that and more with Kevin Starrett. Mr. Outdoors is here to give us the weekend outlook and what we're going to be heading into here for the next few days. Outdoors report always a lot of fun. We'll talk with Greg about that. He's a little under the weather is what he was telling me, so we'll probably be gentle on him. It'll probably be a rather abbreviated one. In the midst of all this craziness, Dr. Carol Lieberman-Hemddee is going to join me, the terrorist therapist, America's psychiatrist. And I love talking to her every now and then about how the island of misfit humans just continues to just go

sideways in this country. And maybe we'll start changing this around at some point. One of the stories we were going to mention was that there is one of the Tesla dealers attacked by a member of the Island of Misfit Humans has been released by the courts and allowed to go home so that the Island of Misfit Human charter member could continue the gender-affirming care. But remember there's no mental illness involved in any of this this kind of stuff that, of course, Democrats are trying to shove into our school systems in Oregon. I digress on that. And Mike Kaczarski, big CEO for our trucking company here, Nationwide Refrigerated Trucking

Company is going to join me. And we'll have a little talk about what's going on with President Trump's executive order saying, hey, we're going to be, we really mean it now. You speak English. You better be able to read and speak English if you're going to have a commercial truck driving license and how that is going to be affecting things. I wanted to give you some good news to start things out. And this is something that, you know, as much craziness that is coming out of the Oregon State Legislature, I'm gradually optimistic that we may have a bit of a win here. The OCEAN network, which is apparently a network of homeschoolers, has confirmed that the May 5th hearing, there was supposed to be a hearing this Monday for House Bill 3624, and this has been cancelled. This has been removed from the Senate Education Committee agenda. Now remember, this was the bill that Senator Noel Robinson was talking about here,

in which it was getting the State Education Department more involved with homeschoolers. was getting the State Education Department more involved with homeschoolers. And Emily McIntyre was a Republican who was one of the sponsors of this and one of the co-sponsors and there were many other Republicans that were helping push this through too. It's insane. And it was all done under the guise of, oh well, this bill will help homeschoolers pay for the tests that the state is going to require. All right? will help homeschoolers pay for the tests that the state is going to require. Now, a number of questions come to mind. Why would you need to worry mostly about the homeschoolers given that it is the public school kids that seem to have the real problems when it comes

to accomplishment and being able to attain success in their education? The reason they're focusing on getting their hooks into the homeschoolers, of course, is so they can get more regulation. And eventually, in my opinion, probably make homeschooling just as bad as the public school education is through the regulatory process, and maybe even getting it to the point where parents

don't feel like doing it. They don't want to do that. And they just can't surmount it. And I know that they always bring up the argument on the, oh, you know, we're worried about some of the kids that are in home school. They're not getting a good education. They're not showing up. And they're not doing these kind of things.

We're worried about their safety. This is one of the things that you'll hear a lot when there's talk about getting the state involved more in the homeschooling world. And the thing is, if you think that there's a problem with a kid, there's nothing that's stopping the public school system right now from doing a welfare check or just saying, hey, we think this kid's being abused. We haven't seen them for a long, long time. We don't know anything about it.

People can... there are laws to check up on that right now. Hospital 3624, in my opinion, and in the opinion of many homeschooling parents, is just a way to get the, you know, the additional Marxist camel nose into the homeschooling tent out of the guise of we're here to help you. And I hope that Emily McIntyre and others who frankly should know better will back off on this kind of stuff. No, we don't need, the homeschoolers don't need this help nor do they want it and it has been canceled. Now we don't know if this means that the bill is going to be tabled or if it goes to ways and means to die, I don't know.

But right now, gradually optimistic that maybe they're going to pull this bill. And I hope they do pull this bill. So that's what we know at the moment. Jobs Report out just came out just a few minutes ago. Hiring still very strong, apparently. This was done, the survey was done mostly before the Liberation Day tariffs started kicking in, so we don't know what might have happened after this, but the unemployment

rate pretty much stayed steady. So guard the optimistic. We'll see what's going on there. And all the parties, of course, are going to spin this as they wish. You know that's how it's going to do, depending on what your team is all about. Some interesting news releases that I was getting this morning. I thought I would touch on some of this. Let me see if I can find this. Oh, yeah, here it is. Here it is.

Recreational Use Advisory Issued for Emigrant Lake. Yep. Got the algae bloom. Maybe we'll talk with Mr. Outdoors about that. I guess it doesn't necessarily get absorbed into your skin, you know, the algae bloom, but a lot of times people get sick because of ingesting water, so they're saying watch out for that. So they're saying don't get into the algae bloom water right now. Hospital Association of Oregon waved me the white flag this morning, a new report saying that hospitals financially unstable

and almost half of the state hospitals are operating at a loss and the others barely broke even. Remember when I was talking about this a few months ago when there was this whole push on the Providence strike? Remember that when I was saying, hey, from what I understand, hospitals are really in bad shape in the state of Oregon. And a lot of this is due to poor insurance reimbursement and increasing cost. And then of course you have, you know, nurses, doctors, everybody else striking and wanting more paid. So

it's just irresistible forces meeting immovable objects. So hospitals appear to be in teetering at this point. I have a feeling this is why you're hearing more call about, well, we have to merge to get bigger. Like, you know, the Portland hospitals talking about, well, let's take over Asante, or maybe we take over Providence or something like that. We're just going to merge ourselves into one big massive failing industry instead of having a lot of... I'm only half kidding. I shouldn't say this. This is a serious heart attack, of course, but I'm hoping that they figure this out. The real challenge with this is that we're still kind of stumbling through Obamacare and forming the system in which everybody pays the health care for everybody else, and then everybody's running out of money to pay for the health care of everybody else. But, you know, that's the latest

coming from the state of Oregon. Hmm. This is interesting. Hmm. This is interesting. Betty sent me this story. And it was from a Denver news source. And the news source that she sent me was all about, hey, look at this double decker Airbus that is landing in Denver, like 500 passengers. And you know something, Betty, that was really interesting. Betty from Josephine County, you know, sent this to me. Look at that. Look at that plane. It's like 500 or something passengers that it takes and it's

going to be flying between Germany and Denver, I guess, on regular flights. I guess the Germans are trying to escape the European Union. They need a plane with 502 passengers. Yikes. But anyway, the part that actually was more interesting to me, Betty, was a story that was just stuck in there, that US Immigration and Customs Enforcement there saying three Colorado businesses facing $8 million in fines for hiring illegal aliens. Huge, huge fines going on. And I can't help but wonder if we're going to see that here. Now this was something that was going on in Denver. Big city employers like CCS,

PPC commercial cleaning, fined one and a half million dollars for a 74% violation rate. So three out of their four employees were illegal aliens. And they also had a pattern of knowingly employing at least 12 unauthorized workers. And then Green Management Denver fined a quarter of a million dollars after a 100% violation rate. Everybody working there was an illegal. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so they're finding the millions of dollars and You wonder if you're gonna see a little bit of that going on here Now also within the illegal alien story

We had that story which is not so good federal judge says Trump's use of the alien enemies act is unlawful and blocks deportations The alien enemies act can't do it, 36 page order. So once again we have yet another federal judge. By the way, this is a judge that President Trump appointed. I'm starting to wonder if maybe his people didn't do such a good job of vetting judges. But anyway, they're saying that he can't do this. Of course, the president could just ignore it. Maybe that's where this has to go. I don't know. Here's the way I see this as an issue. I'm concerned that the Constitution and the right of habeas corpus, the privilege, actually it's a privilege of habeas corpus, could be used as a suicide pact here for the United States because even you look at when I was talking to the folks from the Federation for American Immigration Reform Fair US

last week I said okay what are the latest numbers that we think for illegal aliens currently here in the United States because even talking about 10 or 11 million forever they're now thinking that according to census data 18 and a half million I would still think it's probably more than that so you have 18 and a half million people who have absolutely no authorization, have never had any authorization, were never vetted, and yet are here, and many supposedly kind of working, and no one gets vetted coming in, but everyone's supposed to get a big

trial and or hearing on the way out. And if we have to go through that kind of a world, what the law is telling us is that no one's going home or very few are going home. And that's what I talk about the you know the Constitution being a suicide pact. It's not supposed to be a suicide pact but this is also why I think some have been talking about when when it comes to immigration, suspending the right of habeas corpus or the writ of habeas corpus. So this idea that everybody who, in other words, it becomes as simple as do you have your visa and your permit to be here? Are you authorized to be here? You're not? Okay, then we go by. Then we go bye-bye. And you would think that in a rule of law that that's the way it works.

Because it's kind of an either-or thing. You either have the authorization to be here, or you don't have the authorization to be here. And if you don't have the authorization to be here, well then, it really doesn't matter if you remember a trendy Arwaagwaan or anything, or anybody else, that we just send you out. You just go and we deport you in whatever way your home country sees fit. And I know that sounds kind of cruel but this is what Trump was elected to do. And I know that suspending root of habeas corpus, that's a big deal. It is a nuclear option per se but I don't know if the Trump administration will tolerate the judiciary for much longer saying that, no, we're going to decide who you're going

to keep here and who you're not going to keep here. Just like we're going to decide who you get to hire and fire as the administrator of the executive branch rather than you being the executive having the right to figure that out. It's a strange time that we find ourselves here when it comes to immigration and everything else. And it all kind of, I don't know, maybe if Trump is going to be just completely crushed by these judges when it comes to actually deporting the worst of the dirtbags, maybe it has to be something as you know going after the employers. And I don't like the idea that you have to go after the employers too because employers

of course, why do they hire illegal aliens? Crowd of time, well they'll work cheaper because everybody's wanting the cheaper price. So there are costs involved all around up and down this particular food chain. There's another story kind of ah here we go. This one is in the Oregonian this is an Oregonian side of this illegal immigration deal. Cash stuffed envelopes how unqualified truck drivers hit Pacific Northwest roads in alleged bribery scheme. This is in today's Oregonian. If you're a subscriber, you can read it. Otherwise, I think you know it's behind a paint wall. Regulators believe, okay, the gold envelopes were stuffed with wads of cash and couriered via UPS.

Inside, each $520 to $530 bundle of bills, they say, was paper clipped to a sticky note bearing the birthdate of a student seeking a commercial driver's license in the state of Washington. The regulators believe the money came from Skyline CDL School, an upstart truck driving academy, branches in Washington and Oregon, they write. They believe it was paid to an independent state tester as part of an alleged bribery scheme to ensure the company's students would fraudulently get passing grades. Now, this is where we get into this illegal immigration deal. Washington regulators also

determined that Skyline relied on unqualified instructors, falsified records, bypassed English proficiency standards. Yeah. Boy, that's what we were talking about. I have to talk with Mike Kaczarski about that, you know, the trucking company guy, a little bit, and also failed to document training hours and students' skills. The alleged scheme has gone publicly unreported until now and allowed an untold number of unqualified drivers to drive the big rigs on the nation's highways, posing a major risk to the general public.

Maybe that's how the Trump administration fights back. Maybe you do just crack down on the jobs issue, and then maybe some of the 18 and a half million or many of the 18 and a half million take off. As far as getting rid of the gangbanger dirtbaggers, I'm sure they'll have to come up with some other strategy if we're told that, I'm sorry, that, yeah, they're not allowed to be here. They never were allowed to be here, but that's okay.

You have to go through, yeah, gotta go through major trials for all of them. I don't know. 7705633. It's kind of how some of the top headlines I'm seeing this morning. Interesting times for sure. This is the Bill Meyer Show. Hi, this is Bill Meyer. Always appreciate you listening no matter the time.

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started at KMED.com. Click the advertise marketing tab. Hi, I'm Cassie from Klauser Drilling and I'm on KMED. coming out of Oregon and Washington. It appears a whole bunch of illegal aliens may be bribing their way into getting commercial driver's licenses from a Washington school, etc. And then I'm looking at that story in Denver, in which three of these businesses, big businesses in Denver, are being fined more than $6 million because of hiring illegals. And I'm wondering if this is going to be the attack line. What are you thinking about this? You know, you're a commercial truck driver. Yeah, Bill, I am.

And the angle that I wanted to approach this morning wasn't specifically about the truck drivers and the foreigners, but you said that you may seem cruel to deport illegals. I think it's cruel to bring people in who steal the country away from our children and grandchildren. That's what's cruel. But I really wanted what I wanted yesterday to talk to that attorney that you had on, on this subject of trials for illegals and deporting and all that, and wanted to ask him, I can't ask him now, but I can maybe ask you, what would be wrong instead of having 18 million trials that take a year each, certifying them as a class? Now, they might not want to be certified as a class, but I don't know if that's necessary

for them to want to be certified as a class, but I don't know if that's necessary for them to want to be a class. You know, that is a very interesting legal question. And I, you know, that's, you know, this is, you should have been a lawyer because this is what lawyers are paid to do to come up with, how can we finagle and get what we want even though there's nothing that's directly authorizing it, right? You know, that's what lawyers do. You know, where are the, you know, where's the gray area, right? That kind of thing. That's the question. I don't know because I know

if you and I decide to have a class action lawsuit, we've got to get certified to be a class and we have to want that, but that I don't know if it's necessary to, you have to want to be a class. Yeah, so you're thinking about certifying a class involuntarily is what you're... That's right. Yeah. I will, you know, I'll reach out to that attorney and see what the thought process is. That's interesting because I don't know. I really don't know.

But still, it's a thought-provoking proposal on your part. You call it all the members of this class and all others similarly situated. That's the terminology. Yeah. And then they're in it and it's done. That would be the... I would want to look into that. Okay. And I will and I'll get back to you, Patrick. Okay. Hey, thanks much, Bill. Thank you. 632 at KMD. We'll catch up on the rest of the news here. Bill London, and a quick dose of town hall news for that matter too. Kevin Starrett standing by, and we're going to talk about the amazing bill that nobody wants, and yet it seems to be moving

for. Nobody, absolutely nobody has wanted this militia bill that Senator Manning is all about. And of course, Senator Manning is a real piece of work to start with, and Kevin has reported in this militia bill that senator manning is all about and of course senator manning is a real piece of work to start with but and kevin has reported on this before but he'll give us the latest on this it's just astounding and once again some of our gop friends are greasing this kids i hope not but we'll find out all coming up for property owners large or small BCS has a two-wheel tractor with dozens of road in Medford the Bill Myers show on 1063 KMED Kevin Starrin rejoins the program the chief cook and bottle washer and gun cleaner over at Oregon Firearms Federation Morgan firearms dot over IG, you know Kevin you in fact speaking of firearms cleaners

Were you able to get those Glocks all cleaned up? You said you're out there on the range and shooting it up with your friends the other day, huh? Yeah, unfortunately, I still have to clean my own firearms. You know, that's an outrageous thing for someone of my stature to have to suffer through. But yeah, I figured it all out. I got them and I got them back together. Yeah, I love shooting them, I really do. I think that whoever comes up with an appropriate dishwasher for firearms will make a million on that. Oh, no, no. That's, you can do that now.

You can? I mean, locks are largely plastic. I know lots of people who put them in the dishwasher and I am not kidding you about that. Oh, okay. Now I don't do that. Now I know that there's one person in my household that would not be really happy about that. It's my wife Linda. I don't think she's

gonna let me do that. You just remind Linda who wears the spandex in your family. Yeah, I just remind you, happy wife, happy life, Kevin. Okay? All right. Hey, wanted to, you know, we want to dig into that, to dig into that militia bill here in just a minute, but you were telling me off air when it comes to the illegal aliens and the truck drivers, and we have all sorts of issues going on with illegal immigration, like the Judge Dugan who was arrested. And you know that that was kind of for show this was to send a message that no You're not going to actively Actively, you know ford ice in their attempt to get to illegal aliens off the street and get them out of here

And I think that's where the judge went wrong here You're telling me that Napolitano thinks that that was nonsense that whole the arrest of the judge yeah, and the Palo Alto thinks that was totally unconstitutional and outrageous and shouldn't happen. And interesting take on it. You know, the way I look at it is if we see what's happening nationally, and you know, you see it, this has been going on for years, that judges are largely completely unaccountable for what they do.

And- Nothing ever happens to a judge. Almost nothing ever does, period. Even when their opinions and their decisions are blatantly and ridiculously political, and even when they're overturned, it doesn't matter. And of course, in Oregon, we have a scam going on where the governor completely controls who becomes judges. And they're utterly and this is one of the reasons that for the 30 years that Oregon Firearms has

been involved in the Second Amendment issues, we always made an effort to try to solve every or address everything in the legislature. Because once you get into court. Really anything the judge decides you were totally stuck with that period no matter how outrageous it is and there's nothing you could do because as you know. You know when judges judges are

rarely elected they're almost always appointed and then once they get into office or the only people running for office who are identified in the voters guide as incumbents. Rarely does anyone run against them. Now, you know, I had a conversation with one of our attorneys just a couple of days ago, and he said that it was his understanding from a long time ago.

Now, this is, you're getting this, of course, fourth hand, what he told me that you recall, that the Bar Association had a policy of never endorsing anyone running against a sitting judge. And people rarely do run against sitting judges. If you're an attorney in a particular location and there's a judge there, you probably don't want to run against them, because then you

may have to face them in court at some point. And then you're screwed. Your client, your case goes down. That's just the way it goes. Right. And when you look at some of the decisions the judges have come up with, I mean, I know we're facing that ourselves

with some really bizarre things that they have said. And even in our federal case where a Trump appointed judge, Karen Emmerkut, was given a directive by the US Supreme Court on how to decide Second Amendment cases. And she just said, no, I'm not doing it. And what happens? Nothing. Absolutely nothing happens. Legislatively in Oregon, of course, we're in very bad shape because the state is complete. We're a one-party state because we

only have one party. And it's very, very difficult to make any progress. And at the federal level, we're really talking about the federal level where a lot of this one-party state really shows its colors then, judicially? Would that be fair to say? I think it's true federally and locally. The fact is that when you have a... Like when we saw yesterday with this moronic militia bill, at very least what we can do is expose the people who are behind it so

that there could be some political fallout from it. So we could expose someone like Manning, who at some point will have to run for reelection. Yes, a long shot, because I mean, he's a quota hire and we've got to keep those guys around but there's nothing you could do to judges at all I mean and when they do run you know we could when there are people running for state house and state Senate you can question them you can you can provide if you if you think it's worth your time candidate surveys those kind of thing you could put them on the record and no matter how much they're lying at least they're on the record, and no matter how much they're lying,

at least they're on the record. When judges, in those rare instances, when judges are running for office, they won't answer any questions, they won't tell you what their positions are or any issues. And so you really can't ever know. And of course they do this under the guise of, well, you know, it might cause me a problem then

when there's a case before my court and I would have to recuse this, they would say that I was already pre-biased in, you know, against someone. me a problem then when there's a case before my court and I would have to recuse this. They would say that I was already pre-biased against someone. This is how it always gets done. And I understand that to a certain extent, but you're right. It is a totally unaccountable branch. And I don't know whether we like this or not what President Trump and the DOJ did with this particular judge, Judge Dugan, as an example.

Maybe it's about sending a message. And I'm not a big fan of just sending messages, you know, when you arrest people. But I think there needs to be a shot across the bow of judicial supremacism, which is really what we've been, you know, experiencing for a long time, in which a judge never has to worry about practically anything anywhere at any time. Yeah, no matter how ridiculous or outrageous what they come up with is and the reality is is that after the last four years of absolutely

unthinkable misconduct, I mean so extreme, there's going to be an extreme reaction and in the perfect world, everything would be much more measured. But the fact is, is that's just not how life works. And we saw how many people sat in solitary for years because they happen to be somewhere near Washington, DC. That's right. You know, January. Yeah, but but to have talked about that meant that you were supporting the insurrectionists, right? Right. And I mean, the attacks by federal law enforcement on individuals, I mean, there's a guy who's facing 20 years in prison right now. Everything he was in possession of was

100% legal and continues to be legal, but the feds lied. They said, I mean, I had this experience myself years ago with a Washington resident who was set up, clearly set up by ATF, and spent four years in Sheridan. He was charged with possession of machine guns. The guy had a license to manufacture machine guns. So how can you be charged with possession of machine guns when you have a license to manufacture them? It would be the obvious question that reasonable people might ask.

And it's impossible to make sense of it. He was charged in state court. He was acquitted. The judge said, if you hadn't been acquitted, I would have directed a verdict of acquittal. There's nothing here. He's walking out of that court. He gets arrested again and charged with the same crimes federally. He's charged. He's judged by a judge they dragged out of retirement who was, who had he been appointed by? I can't remember but a Clinton appointee or something someone like that who said in open court He said, you know, you're guilty before there was any verdict reached the whole thing is completely outrageous And so when you have those kind of abuses that go on for years and years, there's going to be a serious

that go on for years and years, there's going to be a serious response to that. And that's what we're seeing now. And if it makes people uncomfortable, I'm sorry, but nothing's going to save this country, just like nothing's going to save this state, unless there's a radical response to the abuses that we've been facing for years. And I really appreciate the libertarian point of view when they talk about, oh, the due process for everybody, due process, listen, you know, you've had 18 and a half million maybe and probably quite a few more people

who have never been vetted, never been authorized to be here, and yet been here they have been, or being here they have been, and then we're told that, no, everybody has to have big hearings and expensive trials that will be interminably delayed, you know, every time in order to get anybody out.

It's like, wait a minute, that's sort of like the national suicide pact version of the Constitution. But yet that makes me uncomfortable. That makes you a bit uncomfortable too at times. Well, I would like to see everything happen in a perfectly orderly fashion. But the fact is, is the J-6 got no due process. You know, they were clearly political. I mean, the whole, everything that happened and irrespective of, as you and I have talked about before, irrespective of what, how you view Trump on any one of many issues, the fact is, is there was a massive

effort to destroy him, to deny him the election. I mean, the, you know, the Steele dossier, the Russia gay things lie after lie after lie that nobody's even apologizing for and they're even laughing about it now. And if there is not a dramatic response to that kind of thing, if we say as some people are suggesting, well, you know, we can't be like they are, let's bygones be bygones, let's move ahead. No, I think it's too late, unfortunately, for that. And I have to tell you, that does make me uncomfortable. I will admit that to tell you, that does make me uncomfortable. I will admit that.

That does make me uncomfortable because I always remember something about, he's even going on border policy here, Kevin. I remember one of the issues that former Congressman Ron Paul would talk about. Of course, he's a hero for a lot of conservatives and libertarians. And a lot of the things he talks about, I always appreciated where he was coming from. And he said that his concern was that at some point the border will not be used to keep them out, but to keep us in. And you can see even right now with, you know how the Trump administration did the 60, now

has that 60 foot wide section of the border, which is now under military control. Are you familiar with that now? What happened? Not in detail, no. Yeah, it is now a military zone on the border. It's a 60 foot wide. Now this is being done extensively so that as illegal aliens come in, they can immediately be turned back by the military, you know, at that point.

So this is what we have down on the southern border now. A lot of people haven't talked about that. I appreciate why they want to do that. But I can also see how a future president could use that then to keep us in. You could see that coming, couldn't you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And everything that any president does has the potential in the future to look, this is when the big, the big argument we had, and one of the reasons we were party to a lawsuit against Trump was during his whole bump stock thing, where he unilaterally said, okay, we can redefine what this piece of plastic is in my position. I think others positions at the time was, well, if, if a regulatory agency or a federal law enforcement agency can arbitrarily redefine something, which

is what's happening now regularly, is that they say, well, your most common rifle, your AR-15, is now a machine gun. And that was my fear of what the kind of stuff that would happen when the next president got in, which was Biden. And of course, we did see that happen with pistol braces and everything else. So there is no possible way that you have progress without some potential risk. I just look at what's been going on for so long and say, you know, okay, I would like everything to be a lot more orderly and calm. But if we do that, the point you just made, we've got millions

of people here illegally. If the intent is to keep each one of them a two-year-long trial, this is essentially the tactic that the left is using now to stop everything that Trump is trying to do. Trump was... Yeah, to overwhelm and break down the system. You can't go anywhere with it. You've got a completely overwhelmed judicial system where, I mean, even the federal, even, you know, the federal government does not have a limitless supply of attorneys, all of whom now have to go put out these little brush fires, which will largely keep them from addressing issues that are really salient and immediate, like people's constitutional

rights being violated all over the place. But look, they've learned that they could do this because we've developed a system where everyone's so litigious all the time. And you can tie people up we've got we had a Supreme Court decision that said okay here's how we deal with guns. And now we've

got cases dozens maybe hundreds of cases around the country which are dragging through the courts our our federal lawsuit which is in the ninth circuit. It's still sitting behind cases that have been going on for ten or twelve years. And all they have to do is nothing. They courts, our federal lawsuit, which is in the Ninth Circuit, is still sitting behind cases that have been going on for 10 or 12 years. And all they have to do is nothing. They just don't act

on them. In the meantime, your rights are stripped in this particular area that you're suing over right now. Precisely. And then you've got the Supreme Court saying, well, we're not going to take this case until it's been fully vetted in the lower courts. And then the lower courts just say, OK, we'll get around to that in five or six years. And so these kind of dramatic actions may be the only way we move forward. And do they have the potential for damage down the road? Yes, they absolutely do. Yes. So in other words, Trump's radical activism when it comes to his take on lawfare and the judges and the judiciary, are in reaction to the radical activism, which has been going on for decades here in

this country. And so it's like, yeah, it can make you really uncomfortable, but what did you expect, I guess, would be my response? Yeah, and I think that the reality is that while this reaction has some potential downsides, what's going on doesn't have potential downsides. It has very real immediate and constant downsides, which are costing people their freedom, their possessions, and in some cases their lives, of course, because people are getting killed by authorities that are way out of control. Kevin Starr at Oregon Firearms Federation. And we haven't even really gotten into the militia bill yet.

We will do this in a second. Did you have a question for Kevin Caller? Hello, Caller, you're on KMED, who's this? Hey, how you doing, Bill? First, I'd like to say hats off to both of you guys for doing what you do. That's pretty good. Well, thank you.

I appreciate that. What are you thinking? I'm thinking at this point, are you familiar with the doctrine of the lesser magistrate? No, I am not. Are you, Kevin? I am. Oh. As a matter of fact, I have the book, The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates, sitting on my bookshelf. Brilliant. Yeah. Is that something that I should, what would be the distinction of this or the significance of this? Basically what it says is that, you know, that because there is an authority that is technically, theoretically above this other authority. That lower authority is not obligated to obey,

obey the rules that are evil, immoral, or flat out wrong. Nasive caller, do you think I have that pretty right? That sounds exactly right. Yeah. You might need to define magistrate, which is anyone elected to public office or appointed. That's even the dog catcher literally. Yeah. Hey, I appreciate the suggestion on this one. I'm going to look into this. Who wrote that book? Do you know, Kevin? You have it on your shelf?

I think it was, I believe it was Matt Truela. And Matt was a radical pro-life activist, you know, in decades past. I think I may have another copy of it around. If I do, it will be yours shortly. But yeah, I'm not sure exactly how that applies here, except that when you have these basically these dictators in black robes that have unlimited power, that just can they can do whatever they want. I mean, they really have the power to destroy people's lives. And this response that we're seeing now by the Trump administration is probably really

the only way, you know, to deal with it is that at some point, somebody some have one person be able to say, okay, I'm gonna deny you your liberty, I'm gonna deny you your property, I'm gonna bankrupt you. And look, we know darn well these people all have massive political motivations. And if you just look at who is getting appointed to these vacant seats, you know,

we have a judge who was just appointed and her previous job was she ran the LGBT section of the Bar Association and these are not unbiased people at all. I mean nobody's unbiased, but some of them make no pretense of it. Yeah, yeah, well we all have biases and opinions. I get that and I have to tell you though, and yet I know personally, I even know personally of some local judges that I know who I've even know personally of some local judges that I know who I've even helped get elected. And we actually have a handful of judges which actually did get elected here off and on in open seats here in Southern Oregon.

And some of them are amazingly wise and good people. And so I don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I mean, how do we tell the difference you think over time here, Kevin? And the... Well, I think the only way you can tell the difference is to look at the kind of rulings and decisions they've made. And I suppose, although I think it's extremely unwieldy, really the only potential response to that by the people is a recall. I believe judges can be recalled. But obviously, that is a really messy process. If, if before that happened, if before that happened, if you did have an election that there'd be an opportunity for judges to say,

look, this is what I believe. This is my philosophy. And I'm not telling you how I'm ruling on an individual case, but I strongly believe in this point of view or that point of view. And then at least the people that's not a perfect process. In other words, the bar association's code of ethics or whatever it is is actually involved in making sure that we don't know what we're getting or voting for. That's essentially what's happening. The bar's job is to protect lawyers at all costs, no matter what they do. You make a complaint to the bar and they will laugh at you.

And you can say, look, here's a demonstration that this particular attorney is a liar. Okay, not our problem. They really do not care. But that has nothing to do with the militia bill. I know. We haven't even gotten to it. I'm running out of time here. So I just wanted to get to the bottom. This is the militia bill that Senator Manning has been pushing.

And nobody wants it. I mean, absolutely nobody wants it. Absolutely no testimony in favor of this. In fact, even – gosh, who is the Senator from? – Powell Butte? Gosh, I just forgot his name. Mike McLean. Mike McLean. All right. Even he was asking on the floor, what is this really about? Could you in a couple of minutes have us understand what craziness is going on in this state? What can be done?

So basically what the bill does is remove the term unorganized militia from all our statutes. And the sponsor, one of the sponsors, James Manning insists, oh this is just about giving due respect to the National Guard. Absolute crap. The man's a stone-complete liar. What this is is an effort to remove from the entire, from our lives, from our history, the concept that the people have the right to protect themselves against tyranny. Oh, this is ultimately then just Manning's attempt to remove any attempt at self-defense,

period. Really? Well, the idea that the only force that's allowed is the government-sponsored force meeting the National Guard. And if you listen to his rambling, incoherent, nonsense response to questions, you'll see he makes no sense at all. And of course, it passed through the Senate. Mike McLean asked, what does this mean? He had no rational explanation. Now it's over on the House side with the same

lies continue and he's saying this, we just want to give respect to the National Guard. That's a lie. What does a Democrat senator ever give a crap about respecting the National Guard? Okay? You know, the National Guard gets plenty of respect. The law made a very clear distinction between who the unorganized militia are and who the National Guard is. And now he wants to say that every time you see the word unorganized militia, we now replace

that with the words national guard. In other words, the unorganized militia is eliminated, which means the people shall have no right, is what you're saying, right? Precisely. We've consolidated and monopolized all force in the hands of lunatic legislators like this clown. Now, Ben, any Republican sponsors of this, I have to ask? No. Okay, good. Presency and Meek are the other sponsors. I'm a little surprised that Meek would do something this stupid, although he's done it in the past. But it's been Manning who's been pushing it. As you point out, if you go and look at the testimony, 100% opposed, and Manning keeps

saying this is to give respect to the military. No one in the military, no one representing any military agency or organization testified in favor of this bill. In fact, as far as I can tell, Manning is the only person who's testified in favor of it. And he did that in a way that of course is completely incoherent. So here we have another situation where we've got legislators telling us, you know, make your voices heard. Well, by God, people made their voices heard and this idiotic bill is still steamrolling its way through the legislature. Yeah, so everybody says no and it still moves forward and yet I still don't see any Republicans denying quorum yet. Well, I haven't even seen any Republicans standing up and saying, hey, look. Did you look at the testimony this three pages of testimony which is not

I mean. Three pages of links hundreds of of of submitted testimonies 100% in opposition. And nobody's pointing this out which is like hey. You're supposed to we're supposed to be represented the people you can't even get one of your own

clowns to come here and testify in this bill yet we're spending. Thousands of dollars on staff legislator and lawyers You can't even get one of your own clowns to come here and testify in this bill, yet we're spending thousands of dollars on staff, legislators, and lawyers' times to pass this nonsense because you have a personal beef with the idea that the people are somehow suffering. Yeah, amazing times here, Kevin. Thanks for the update. By the way, you have more on this at oregonfirearms.org. I always appreciate that you have that up there. People can go and read about this right now.

I'll link to it, of course, as always do. I appreciate the take, and thanks for the freewheeling conversation on the getting comfortable with uncomfortableness because Trump, in essence, is a reaction to... Well, Trump is the obvious result of the radicalism of the past that we've been living under. You know, the Communist Revolution, I guess this is the obvious result of the radicalism of the past that we've been living under. The communist revolution, I guess this is the counter revolution and not exactly a perfect vessel, right?

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