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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling dot com. Here's Bill Meyer. Glad to have you here on conspiracy theory Thursday. Join the conversation like the man said. Seven seven oh five six three three seven seven zero KMED. State Senator Noel Robinson will join me a little bit later this hour.

We're going to catch up on a climate change bill which is worming its way through the worms of the state legislature. I'm not counting Noel Robinson, the state senator, as a member of the worm club, but there are plenty to say. But the law would actually force human-based climate change to be taught and inculcated, would require it to be taught, and I would imagine this would also have to be, would it have to be part of homeschooling curriculum? You know, that along with gender affirming care? I don't know, but we'll talk with State Senator Noel Robinson about that. I'm going to be talking with

economist Christian Briggs, and he's the CEO of the Hard Asset Management Deal. We're going to be talking with economist Christian Briggs, and he's the CEO of the hard asset management deal. We're going to be talking about gold, dollar, weakness, various other things, what that is looking like. And I think it's pretty interesting, especially when I was looking at the Federal Reserve having bought $20 billion worth of government bonds, of government debt. In other words, the Federal Reserve monetized the debt. They print the money, and then they monetize it,

and then they bought it. And they bought the bonds. And the market noticed, and that was one of the reasons gold shot up. And I thought it was an interesting time to talk to Christian for this very reason. Now, we have Chris Barnett, Josephine County Commissioner. He's going to be coming on, and we're

going to be talking about some of the news that has been bubbling around, not just the commission, but got to ask them about that lawsuit too. It's been a rough week, challenging, maybe just a challenging week. I don't know where it goes forward on this Osprey RV resort lawsuit that the Oregon Supreme Court ended up reviving, but we'll talk about what we can talk about. I don't know what is allowed to be talked about. You know, what this happens when you have pending litigation or where things go.

The part that I'm trying to figure out, though, about this is that in my reading of the suit and like I said, I haven't done a deep dive in this part because part of me it's a personal matter, it's a deal, whatever. But everything seemed to happen or hinge on all right, Barnett's company ends up buying this Osprey resort from the way I understand it and they buy it from this guy who had for a number of years and this this fellow who's no longer alive you know the former owner of it ended up having this sister situation where for a few thousand dollars he would give you lifetime access to your RV space it's what Osprey this Osprey Park is all about RV place looks like a pretty nice

place from from all looks I haven't been up near Coos Bay for a long long time but from the looks of it it's a pretty nice place. So you have a bunch of people, most of them older, a lot of them living at this place for a long long time and they would have paid several thousand dollars for so-called lifetime access to this. lifetime access to this. And what I'm wondering about is if they signed, were they signed agreements or was it a handshake kind of agreement? Was it in the deed that these people got lifetime? Because everything about real estate in my experience, and my experience has been limited to just buying and selling homes, and I've done a few of those in my lifetime, that's about

it. But everything about what you could expect out of a property was always in writing. And apparently the Barnetts did not, and the Barnett company did not honor the lifetime commitment. So my question is, was it because what were the lifetime commitments or the lifetime memberships for these lifetime memberships in writing and were they recorded on the deed and the part of the purchase? That's just something I've been kind of wondering because everything about real estate,

it has to be in writing. It's not one of these things where, well, just sort of imply that you get to be there. It's an odd case. And first it was in favor of Barnett and now the appeals court or Supreme Court, rather, reversed that. And they were also bringing up this thing about that about elder abuse which strikes me as nonsense because the people who were involved here are or elderly when i'm thinking of elder abuse it's sort of like uh...

you know alright you're torturing grandma and stealing her uh... her or money or whatever the case might be you know those sort of things because you have power over them you know the law can do strange things. The law can do things which seem to smack against common sense. So I don't know. But I really would love to know, all these people who supposedly were damaged, they had lifetime agreements, did they get a lifetime agreement in writing from the old owner?

And was it recorded in this part of the of the deal whereas this that that uh... the implications seems to be that the barnett should have known or they were kind of aware of this like i said the more i read about it the more my eyes glaze over a little bit i don't know if you can talk much about that or not but it's been a rough week

for the barnett claim that's for sure. So we can talk about various things and we'll see what Chris has to say if he can delve into any of them, what he can. But yeah, if you have easement on a piece of property that you buy, that's in the deed. If somebody has a permanent access to your property, you know, that ends up being put in there. And it would seem to me that if there are truly, you know, lifetime memberships, is it the lifetime of the company, the lifetime of the old owner? You know, what does lifetime mean? Now, I was a

jury trial over in the Coos Bay area. I wasn't on the jury, so I can't say. But there is a number of questions running through my mind, you know, about that particular real estate situation. You know me, I always talk about it. I'm a baby theologian and an amateur legal person, but just a talk show guy reading the news and kind of going through it like everything else. But you know the law is supposed to be something that the average person should be able to understand if it is written properly and if we're all confused about it maybe it's written improperly I don't know

all right why not spoil we had some strange crime stories over the last day we had a shooting over in Hawthorne Park yesterday. They're not saying a whole lot about it. It happened about 1.30 and the Medford police reporting that they have a person of interest in custody south side of Hawthorne Park where this happened and in custody and apparently some person, one person, was taken to the hospital. We don't know if there is anything on their condition or if it was a serious shooting or just whatever. We hope it was. Now the scanner pages were reporting, and I think that Buffy Pollock was also mentioning that this was a reporter, Buffy Pollock was saying that scanner pages were noting that the suspect was naked. So I guess it's the naked gun part three or whatever the thing might be. We don't know a whole lot more other than that. So shooting at Hawthorne Park,

allegedly by some naked person. All right. And then we had another weird story, this time standoff in Grants Pass. KDRV reporting just after 10 yesterday they got a 911 call. Nasty disturbance on the Northeast Eighth. Women there telling the dispatchers that some guy tried to kill her with a knife, tried to stab her and sprayed her with bear spray before fleeing. And this suspect, 51-year-old Barney Clem, wearing a bright orange shirt. So the Grants Pass cops then arrive there. They see him walking on Northeast B. He goes into, I love the way KDRV refers to this as

a known nuisance residence. Now, is that like a drug den or a homeless hangout or something? And he didn't come out. And during the first sweep, they found one guy who was one for violating parole, 36-year-old Brian Sutan. Also found Brian in possession of methamphetamine, allegedly. He was arrested, no problem. But then they ended up doing this long-term standoff going on there.

And many hours there, three hours, They put all sorts of gas canisters, irritant canisters, whatever it is, and finally Clem surrendered. And so he's been charged with menacing, unlawful use of a weapon, unlawful use of mace, pepper spray, third-degree escape. So we have that weird one and another one, another weird crime here, this time in Grants Pass, KOBI 5 reporting on a Grants Pass man in jail after he stabbed his mother with a butcher knife. This is Mother's Day weekend. You are not going to get son of the day by stabbing your mother.

So it happened about 10, woman calls 911, said son stabbed her in the back, and so cops get to Vicki Lane, they find the woman with the knife sticking son stabbed her in the back and so cops get to viking lane they find the woman with the knife sticking out of her shoulder blade area. Yikes! They got her taken, okay, taken to the hospital, serious condition. And 33 year old Aidan Kimball arrested, first degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon and allegedly not going to be son of the year. Just saying. Speaking of knives, they're still looking for the guy that stabbed the seal pup.

Elephant seal pups stabbed on Nesquen, northern coast of Oregon in March. Actually, it's about a month or so ago that the attack, a month and a half ago, but I guess they're now, they released a drawing trying to find the guy some creepy-looking white guy from the looks of it white about 510 large gap between his front teeth all right there we go black and white here stab why we stabbing an elephant pump seal I don't don't quite get that and we'll probably be seeing some smoke in the skies around here in southern Oregon. Big prescribed burns going to be happening in parts of

the Ashland watershed today and tomorrow. So if you see smoke coming from the hills around Ashland, it is not a forest fire. It is a professional, it is a professionally authorized arson. Okay? They're allowed to set it on fire for proper purposes. All right, all right. So that's some of the local stuff. Some other news here too. We'll dig all into that. This is the Bill Meyers Show.

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Yeah, I don't know. This is just what... You know, Dan Rayfield is just. Yeah, I don't know. It's, this is just what, you know, Dan Rayfield is just, well, he is the resistance. Dan Rayfield, the attorney general, the resistance. We will take him down. And by the way, I don't necessarily agree with President Trump's, all of President Trump's tariff stuff either, but I question, I would prefer a little more targeted, but we'll see. Speaking of which is going to be a big announcement today about this apparently with some kind of a tariff trade deal with the UK and Who cares is what I would say What really matters is China and that's going to be done in Switzerland

So they're going to visit Switzerland this weekend and maybe start hammering something down. We shall see about that. Hugh Hewitt, you know, Ham used to do the morning show here before I got on. Hugh Hewitt interviewed the president yesterday and they were talking about Iran. And Trump saying, I would much rather make a deal, total verification, we can do that.

We have some brilliant people up at MIT and I would much rather, when it comes to the nukes, Trump says he would prefer a very strong verified deal where we actually blow them up or just denuke them. There are only two alternatives there, blow them up nicely or blow them up viciously. alternatives there blow them up nicely or blow them up viciously Yeah Okay Now that wouldn't cause any problems in the Middle East would it? No Is that us going to war for Israel again? Is that what the this is this is part of they have a lot of influence in Congress?

I don't know we can talk about that if you wish Meanwhile President Trump pleased to announce that Dr. Casey Means is the next Surgeon General. Make American healthy credentials, got him, will work closely with Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Apparently the last Surgeon General did not get along all that well with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. so that wasn't necessarily going to work. Interesting story here.

Fox News reporting that China is increasing its presence in Cuba. Just 90 miles from the U.S. mainland, Leland Lazarus, a congressional panel this week saying, Chinese Communist Party executing a 21st century playbook of espionage port infrastructure space surveillance and digital authoritarianism. Not to be confused with our own digital authoritarianism, we're pretty good at doing that ourselves now. Get your real ID, serfs. But I am being a little sarcastic, it is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. I can't help myself, okay? But yeah, they're looking at satellites.

Could this be another situation like what JFK had to deal with back in the early 1960s? We're going to see something like that? I don't know. Something to keep an eye on though. This is a story that it's not important but I'm just fascinated by this. Did you know there's a Soviet satellite, part of an old Soviet satellite from 1972,

supposed to come with a fiery crash to Earth maybe this weekend? They're not really quite sure. It's been up there since 1972. Cosmos 482. Fascinating story. It was launched in 1972. Was supposed to go to Venus.

And it didn't work. There was a malfunction. And so it got stuck up in high Earth orbit. And it's... Now I know that if you're a flat earther, I get these people, they write me all the time that there is no such thing as high Earth orbit, but just work with me. So we have Cosmos 482 was launched up there in 1972. Didn't work.

And so it's been sitting up there for 53 years and bit by bit getting closer. And now they think it's going to come and crash back onto the planet. And it was designed to withstand the insane heat on Venus. They actually had a couple of probes. One of the probes actually did go there. So it's going to be coming. A malfunction in the upper stage of the Soyuz booster lifted it up there. It was not able to reach Venus, instead just going around the Earth

for a long, long time. And so it is going to re-enter sometime in the next few days, and it could go practically anywhere. Now I don't know if Cosmos 482, if the old Cosmos 482 space probe enters the United States, if President Trump will tariff Russia for the import, the involvement, I'm kidding, that's it. You're going to have to pay us. That'd be too funny. You can't rip us off, lad.

They don't really know where it's going to be. It could be most anywhere, most anywhere where it could go. It's in an elliptical orbit. And the reason they can't predict exactly when it's going to land or how it's going to land is that it's irregularly shaped. It's not aerodynamic and a lot of it depends on when the first part of it gets caught, then it gets dragged into and then plummets to Earth. I wonder how much of it could survive though because it was designed to survive the intense

heat on Venus. I'm fascinated by this because, gosh, it would just be so cool to look at an old piece of space technology that's been up there for so many years. I wonder what does it look like? Does it have a bunch of holes in it from micro meteors? You know, they always say that if you have something up there long enough, a little grain of sand can just punch holes in anything up there because everything is going so fast and it just smacks and penetrates and goes right through. That just stirs my

imagination. I'd love to see an old piece of equipment like that. I would... well, would it be transistor? It'd be transistor, right? Transistor space equipment. It wouldn't have been a... there wouldn't have been any vacuum tubes, right? I know the Soviet Union was using vacuum tubes in a lot of their stuff a lot longer than the United States was and they also figured out that prevented it from EMP too. I don't know. Makes me want to read up more on it but last time I heard about something like that going on wasn't it? Remember when I was a kid Skylab was coming back in and they were selling Skylab hard hats and things like that.

I don't see anybody selling any hats for Cosmos 482, at least not yet. 631, we'll catch up on a few bits of news here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday and also the insane educational news coming out of the state of Oregon. State Senator, Noam Robinson will check in in just a few. Attention property owners and pro-landscapers, Zoll's lawn and garden equipment is stocked with the full echo lineup. String trimmers 877-4894. This message brought to you by the Oregon Division of Financial Regulation, the Oregon Association

of Broadcasters, and this station. Good morning. This is News Talk 1063 KMED, and you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. On Conspiracy Theory Thursday, 770-5633. You can join in. Anything happens to be on your mind here, but we do have quite a few guests going on. We're gonna be talking about gold, the dollar. Is the dollar going soft? It would appear to be that way.

Are they not buying all of this reform here in the United States? I don't know. We'll talk with Christian about that. Interesting economist guy. And he's a gold guy. He's a gold guy. So he's going to talk his book, no doubt. And I'm a fan of gold too, but I wouldn't call myself a gold bug. But we'll see. We'll see about that. We will have those conversations.

Let's see, in other news here, jump on this one, in more federal judge Trump news, in fact that does not seem to be about one of this every day, okay, which federal judges and which attorney generals have gotten together and saying, we are going to stop you, we are the resistance, resistance is futile, Trumpy. Federal judges block President Trump's administration from dismantling three agencies. What are these most important agencies in the world closing the Institute of Museum and Library Services, the Minority Business Development Agency, and the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service? I have never heard of any of these.

No, Minority Business Development Agency. I may have heard about that one at this point, but Museum and Library Services, okay. U.S. District Judge John McConnell, an appointee of Obama, sides with the states, affirming their arguments that the closings violate the separation of powers. In other words, he doesn't have the right to do it. As the executive, he's just supposed to do what he's told by Congress. So that's where we're looking at there. That's one of the latest here. Speaking of the museum services, this may have something about this, and Capitol Chronicle reporting that the Oregon Caves Chateau named one of the nation's most endangered historic places.

The Depression-era Chateau, of course, has been in trouble. It's been closed down here for a while for some rehabilitation work, and I guess it's about the funding. The problem is the funding and that this is in danger. Have you got that? Meanwhile, Oregon school districts, this reported in OPB, Oregon school districts grapple with budget woes as federal funding hangs in the balance. Declining birth rates and rising inflation, along with state and federal funding uncertainties remain ongoing

barriers as Oregon school districts balance their budgets for the next year? Well, if you have declining enrollment and declining birth rates and rising inflation, you're going to have to consolidate schools, I would say. I think what's also left out of this OPB story, because it would not really support the narrative, the teachers union narrative, is that more parents are going with private schooling or homeschooling and getting them out of that. You know, gender-affirming care is not something that they necessarily feel like teaching. At least most parents don't, well, most reasonable parents don't feel

like doing that. But I find that interesting. This could be a situation, and it all is kind of combined with this last one here, a story in Politico. Republicans want to shift safety net costs to the states. It's not going over very well. The plans could generate big savings, but they're vexing Republican lawmakers, many of them former governors and state legislatures. Senator Jim Justice of West Virginia, former governor of a state heavily reliant on safety net programs, say, I hope to goodness we don't go there. But they agree that the federal government has a spending problem, and now they want to make it someone else's problem by shifting safety net programs on the state budgets.

Yeah. That's the reality. Well, you see, by shifting safety net programs on estate budgets. Yeah. That's the reality. Well, you see, we have safety net budgets. Think about this. We have these safety net budgets being paid for by the federal government, the federal government which is borrowing $1 for every two that it spends. You know, we have a $6 trillion budget. Two trillion of it was borrowed.

Right? You know, that's what we call unsustainable. So maybe what's going to happen, and this is why I've been talking about this whole focus here on the nonsense that comes out of the state of Oregon's legislature, the nonsense focus. You have the teachers union and the Oregon Department of Education, oh, we're money we had it with this and that the other. Well maybe we're going to have to concentrate on something other than progressive indoctrination. Maybe you're going to have to run schools and really work the schools and work through

education and you're going to have to let go of ideological indoctrination. Do you think you could do that, public schools? Do you think the teachers union would have enough power, political power, to be able to do that? It makes sense that more safety nets will be turned over back to the United States, or to the states rather, because the federal government doesn't have the money chickens are coming home to roost so doesn't that mean that Oregon is going to have to concentrate on doing

sensible things instead of doing what it's doing more of and so i wanted to talk with the state senator noel robinson i know that that is his his bell ringing on the uh... on the guest line there hello Hello Senator, how you doing this morning? Okay, how are you doing? I'm glad you made it in here. I'm doing just fine. What do you think about this? Is there, you know, we have the states that are whining. We have Dan Rayfield who of course is going to sue every time

anything comes up from the Trump administration that's going to close an agency, trim funding, stop the money coming in. It's going to have to happen one way or the other. I would imagine you can't keep borrowing $1 for every two that you spend forever. Am I wrong about that? Or is my mathematics, do I just not understand the indispensable nation's mathematics? What are you thinking? I think you understand that this is a problem that a lot of people have worried about for

a long time. You simply can't just borrow money forever. Now, I prefer a little control if they cut the income taxes and say, well, the state can deal with this. That approach is better in some ways. But the idea that we're just going to borrow more and more money at the federal level and give it to the state and fund all these wonderful programs and the enormous waste, I mean the waste at the state level and the federal government is enormous. But that is exactly what has happened with the state of Oregon. The state of Oregon depends on federal government transfer payments for what, about a third of its budget, one out of every three dollars that the state of Oregon spends comes from the federal program of one form or another, right?

Yep, it's enormous in every area, in education, in food stamp programs and everything. Yes, they depend on payments from the federal government and there is a lot of concern right now that those payments will not continue. Is there any kind of concern within the state of Oregon's legislature, Republicans and Democrats though, that they tend to concentrate on too much of the wrong stuff and they're going to have to sharpen their focus on what really matters for the people rather than what ideologues in Portland want? What do you think?

I think that the Republicans are definitely on your side and there are, and I know some Democrats worry about this too. Now, I don't see them going out and cutting things that I think they need to cut and trying to save money and look for waste. But yes, this is a big concern, and I don't know where this is going. There's a lot of complaining. I hear a lot of Democrat legislators complaining it's the Trump administration's fault. They're going to cut all these programs. They're blaming the current administration, but they're not

looking at the past history and the size of the federal debt, which I don't know how high you can raise this number and just say, well, it's a big number, nobody understands it anymore. At some point you have to pay for it or go broke. Or certainly stop adding to the problem, if nothing else. I mean, I would be happy even if they could just quit digging a deeper hole at this time. At least give us a break. Our standards have retreated to that level. Yes. Let's stop the 37, 38 trillion, 40 trillion. If we could just stop somewhere, it would be a step in the right direction. Yes, I agree with you because it would be, but I agree.

And of course, politics is the art of the possible, as we well know. You and I have talked about this issue in the past year. But you look at, as an example, Medicaid. Medicaid is a big one, and I know it is a big deal for people because a good 30, I think it's about 40% of Oregon is now on the Oregon Health Plan, which is not exactly a fiscally healthy program right now. It doesn't really reimburse hospitals and doctors very high level. It doesn't really pay for the medical service and it's a big deal. And I'm hearing talk that Congressman Cliff Bentz has got together with John Kitzhaber and that they're hammering out a deal that a lot of the trimming back on the Oregon health plan, which was expanded hugely under the Biden administration, massive expansion of that. And Oregon, of course, was stupid enough to go for it,

to go for the expansion. And now it has to go back. Doesn't it have to go in reverse now? It's essentially where it's going to go in the next few months or years? Yes, and it's worse than that because what's happened in the medical system with Medicaid and with all the negotiations, with the way we fund hospitals,

it's gotten to the point where, if you walk into a hospital without insurance, and you know, they take your temperature and look you over and send you home and bill you $1,000, $2,000, it's obvious that that doesn't make any sense. The bill is too high. And so of course the excuse is we're giving medical care to people for free and on and on and on. But the way of funding it and the regulations are so restrictive, it's not a free market,

it's not like another industry where I think we would have much better medicine at a much lower cost if we had free market medicine. Instead, the funding system has become so complicated that literally nobody really understands how it's paid for. We can talk around the edges, but the medical care that people can get is markedly diminished simply because of a complex system. We have a lot of wonderful doctors, nurses, a lot of wonderful new techniques, but it's gotten too complicated. We need to go back to the free market medicine and improve the system. I would also add that there is something that the state legislature could do.

Is there any talk of lightening up on the certificate of need? And the reason I bring this up is that if Providence or let's say, Asante or any other hospital system wanted to build another hospital someplace, they would literally have to go to their competition and ask for permission in order to be able to build another hospital someplace, they would literally have to go to their competition and ask for permission in order to be able to build this. I've never heard of such a thing in any other world in which the competition does its best to keep new medical systems from coming in. But that is the truth in the state of Oregon. It's called a certificate of need. Is there any talk about that? Well, I have been talking about it. I've talked to quite a few people about this and this is a, there are a lot of other states

that do this too. It's a bizarre procedure because of course it cuts out the competition and the hospitals are actually opposed to it. Why? Well it's their competition. They say, well we won't be able to fund our hospitals. Some of the better patients might go elsewhere. It's all a bunch of excuses. Basically, it's another cut in the free market system.

You just can't open a hospital. In a free market system, you'd have multiple hospitals in town. We have problems, for example, with disease is spreading. You break your leg, go to the hospital, might get infected. Things like I know of cases where this happens. And you'd be better off if there were specialty. The hospital says, hey, like I said, doctors haven't opened a little hospital where they send me the people with broken legs. Yeah, you have a broken leg clinic over here on the east side, whatever, right? Or for mothers having children, things like that. You'd have, in a free market system,

you'd have a lot of options like that that cost less, run more efficiently, and have fewer problems. But of course you can't do that because of the whole medical system and specifically the certificate of need laws which block you. That's something that needs... it's bizarre that those exist. It's bizarre that they continue to exist and it would be very nice if we could eliminate them. But I don't see that happening any time soon. State Senator Noah Robinson is with me, and we're gonna talk about another state bill, which is quite interesting and irritating me,

and I will confess this, it is irritating me. But it does appear that everything right now in the medical system, you hear about this whole deal about every hospital system wanting to buy out the other hospital systems, so instead of actually getting more competition it appears that the goal is to reduce competition even further but to be fair they probably want to reduce competition because they see no other way to make it pencil right now in the current way that medicine is paid for it would that be a

fair way of thinking about it here, Senator? I don't know. I am sure that there, I'm sure that that's a strong element. It's true the hospitals are struggling, but there is also the element of buying out their competition. So yes, that's a component of it, but it's, the whole thing needs to be fixed. And the problem is every time you talk, I've talked to a lot of people about this issue, legislators, lobbyists, others, and every time you suggest just a radical change, you say, oh, you'll break the hospital system. It will mess up the funding here, there, it will go bankrupt if you try to correct it. If we don't correct it at some point, it will go bankrupt, we won't have medicine, and things

are just going to get worse. Kind of reminds me of the way it goes out there in the protest testing world. I forget where this sound bite that I have, Senator, came from, but it's a classic. And it is the way people approach to it. Anytime you talk about any kind of reform. Don't take my health care away.

Don't take my health care away. That's the way it's always portrayed out there. And even I hear the state of Oregon, you'll see legislators, I think it was Governor Kotec that was on some interviews saying, well, you know, we have to make sure that we have access to health care. You know how you hear that term, Senator, access to health care? Well, nobody that I'm aware of is stopped from accessing health care. The problem is that access to health care has been redefined as somebody else will pay for my health care, guaranteed no matter what I want and when I want it.

Isn't that really what we're talking about? That's exactly right. And what they don't understand also is that they think if you can go to the hospital now you have medical care, or if you can go to see your doctor you have medical care. What they don't understand is that the quality of the medicine, the time that the doctors have to spend with you, is suffering under this load. You go to the hospital with a complex condition you might very well not be able to sort it out simply because oh you did get to see the doctors but they didn't have time for you. So the system is hurting people and they don't even understand how badly. All right. State Senator Noah Robinson, another pebble in the shoe this Thursday here as we talk Senator has to do with

a bill that you are really working hard to get rid of it. It is about indoctrinating children in environmental ideology. Could you break this down? What's happening? Okay, this is this is House Bill 3365A. It's already passed the House. It's over in the Senate Education Committee and this bill is very simple. It requires the schools to teach climate change propaganda to the children and they're going to put it through. We was up in committee yesterday. They said, oh we're going to put it

through the process. We're going to select the materials. All this is is the indoctrination of children. The scientific issue, they're having trouble teaching children to read, and they suddenly were going to pretend we're going to teach complex scientific ideas to children. I can show fairly quickly in graphs, the data, that there's no basis for this hypothesis. But if you're going to try to teach the other side, you have to teach them about complicated computer models, all sorts of stuff, which yeah, a high schooler can understand what they're doing, but it is not trivial to teach. And that is not the

intention. The intention is simply to tell them the world's coming to the end. And it's because of carbon dioxide in humans, right? That's what it's going to be all about. In other words, it's like you took the Socan people from Southern Oregon, the climate change cultists and put them in charge of educating children. And that is what this bill would do, in essence, doesn't it? That's exactly right. And you see that up here at the legislature because it is assumed you walk into... I've given a lot of remonstrances and showed them real data

on the subject and the Democrats just go right down the road. So we start with the assumption that CO2 is bad, CO2 is heating up the planet, it's causing storms, causing bad weather. They start with that assumption and then they go from there. And so that's what they want to teach the children. They want to tell them CO2 is evil, carbon is evil, it's destroying the planet. And now we need to talk about what we need to do to mitigate this. We need to get rid of power plants that can actually produce large amounts of power, power, we need more solar and wind. So the whole education is going to start with this assumption,

not talk about the science, and then go forward with all this impractical, these impractical solutions, which they are pushing on the state right now. Is there a pretty good chance this will end up passing the House then, or the Senate now? Rather, pardon me. Well, I'm very worried about it because it's at a hearing it is an agenda item for the for the Democrat Party and I'm hoping that anybody that is willing will write in to the to the Education Committee and to urge Senator Frederick who's the chair

please don't bring this forward I suspect I suspect that it's very likely to pass. Does this also require homeschoolers to do so? No, it does not. Right now it does not. And right now the homeschoolers are relatively free, but where will they go with this? Or maybe they're just content with indoctrinating the public school children and ignore the homeschoolers. indoctrinating the public school children and ignore the homeschoolers. So do the Democrats realize that all they're doing when they have... Senator, do the Democrats realize when they have when they bring up such a bill, we're going to indoctrinate children into the climate change propaganda, do they understand that they're just giving every parent another reason to distrust and

get themselves out and not support the public school system? Well, they may or may not understand it. Do they care? Every child that leaves the public school and goes to a home school or a private school is getting a better education. So I encourage that. I, of course, on the education committee up here, I am trying to advocate for

things that will improve the public schools. It really bothers me. I'd like to fix the problem. But the practical solution right now is don't send your children to the public school. State Senator Noah Robinson, I appreciate your take on that and thanks for having joined us here. Who do we have to write then to be against this bill and what is the House bill again that's in the Senate? It's House bill 3365A and I would contact Senator Frederick, he's the chair of the committee, Senator Webbers is the Republican on the committee as well, she's on our side, and then the other two members of the committee, Senator Gelser Bluyn and Senator Solman,

and just explain to them they think that this is not a good thing to be teaching children. And regardless of the subject, the subject itself is politically biased. The idea that we're going to insert some requirement like this into a system that's already struggling, absurd on its own, we need to be worrying about reading, we need to be worrying about teaching math, we need to be worrying about basic things. So it is really odd that the state would come in and mandate this from any perspective. It's entirely because it's a political issue, not a scientific issue, and they want to, and they just want to indoctrinate children.

Well, I also think that another reason why the state wants to indoctrinate the kids into the climate change cult is that it's failing out in the real world. And you know something which is a self-evident truth, it doesn't need this kind of support here, they know they're losing the argument. I think that's what's going on. Yeah well they have a problem because the power electricity rates are rising very rapidly and it looked good you know ten years ago. We're going to do everything with solar power and wind and they start wasting vast amounts of money on this. We shut down our only cold-fired plant in Boardman because we don't like that either. They go this whole route and now

it's starting to take effect. Electricity rates are rising and they want to find someone else to blame. So first they double down on the idea that we can't have hydrocarbon fuels and then we have things going on like now they're blaming the data centers, the big data centers up near Portland that Amazon and so forth have up there. They use a lot of power. They're putting a big load on the grid. Well, yeah, sure. But that's why you build power plants. State Senator Noah Robinson, thanks for the talk. We'll have you back. Appreciate you keeping us up on this, okay? Be well.

Okay, thank you very much for being on. Noah, do you have just one second? Just came to mind. Yeah. Okay. The teachers unions have insane political power in the state of Oregon. Would you agree with me on that, first off? They do.

It's a ridiculous amount of power. Ridiculous amount of power. They always complain that the state doesn't treat them all this well. That the only problem is only money. I think this is it. If the teachers union truly wanted better children and better outcomes here, do they have the political power to make it happen? They actually would, yes. I think they would. Now, I think that the education department, everybody in charge, has just lost complete track of how to even educate children. Such a simple thing as that. We have a bill that the governor has her accountability

plan. We're going to try to fix the schools this session. That's another long discussion. But in the midst of that, we had the director of the Department of Education up answering questions in the education committee. And I was asking questions because they claim that they're going to have people that are going to help the teachers out, tell them how to do their jobs better. So I asked her a simple question. There's a lot of districts, there's a lot of schools, but what do you think are the top problems in the classrooms that need to be solved so that our children will learn better?

And her answer, she didn't have an answer. She didn't know. The only thing she mentioned was, well, we have a little shorter school year, and then she went off into a bunch of bureaucratic gobbledygooks. She couldn't answer that question. That doesn't inspire great confidence in the accountability deal, huh? No, it doesn't inspire confidence at all. And if you're trying to fix the problem, and you have no idea what the problem is, if you cannot put your finger on it and say, yeah, we've been to a lot of schools and we think this and this and this is wrong,

you can't solve the problem. So yes, this is an easy problem to solve. A homeschool mother with no teaching experience that just wants to teach their child starts with phonics. There's lots of phonics programs out there. There's lots of good educational materials. And they teach their child, and most of them do far better than the public schools, with no experience.

If a homeschool mother can do that, why can't a teaching professional get it right? And the answer is that they don't care. The discussion is about more money. They're worried... I just think I'm not going to vote for anything that will raise teacher salaries. They're worried about the substitute teachers being treated unfairly, that they will present you with data which might indicate they're being paid less and all this stuff. I don't think we need... I'm not interested in any of this until we are actually focusing on the children because

the whole point is to educate children. They've got right now $17,000 per child that they spend in this state, and they can't get it right. They want to raise it. We just need to spend more money. It's not going to work. We can't educate a child at home for a few hundred dollars a year. Well, and I ended up getting a piece of, it was someone running for school district,

you know, in the district, you know, Medford, I think it was. And I ended up getting a mail-in piece yesterday or a couple of days ago. And I'm looking in the back here, well, for the child, for the child. And I'm seeing that they're endorsed by the teachers union. And I'm thinking, okay, all right. I don't trust it anymore. You know what I mean? When I see someone that's endorsed by the teachers union or the education association, this and that, the other, because, you know, the education association has been the one

in charge of all this stuff all this time and it hasn't changed. I'm not seeing the progress here, but I guess... Yeah, well, I can remind you what the teachers union's job is, theoretically, is to advocate on behalf of the teachers, not the children. Yeah, that's the issue I have with the two. Thank you, Senator. We'll talk again soon. Okay, be well.