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Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Morning news headlines, the Trump 747? other stories of the morning and then to gun control, Kevin Starrett at Oregon Firearms Federation. SB 243a appears to be moving, oh boy.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clauserdrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. You know, it's not every day that some country offers your president a free 747. Yeah, I don't think he's going to take that, but still, yeah, you got you got to chuckle about that. Can you imagine what the security sweep would have to be on a 747 that the cutter or I just

prefer guitar. Yeah, I prefer guitar just like I still say Kiev. But yeah, could you imagine if we were to accept that if President Trump were to accept that? It's a very nice offer. Someone wants to give you a 747 because Boeing can't build Air Force One fast enough. Oh my gosh. President Trump would probably, you know, be, well, in fact he could be dead by that time, by the time Air Force One actually comes

out. Oh my goodness, what is going on at Boeing should be the bigger question rather than, this is horrible that you know, Cutter offering President Trump a new Air Force One. I don't get it folks, I don't get it. Anyway, welcome to the Bill Meyers show on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. There's a pebble for me and you can share yours at 770-5633-770KMED. Yeah, besides the fact that the 747 would be a very nice gift, you have to admit. But boy, trying to go through all of the systems and making sure that everything is up and that there aren't bugs planted in surveillance and things that could give a kingdom an extra little insight into.

Unless you were to take the plane and just gut it, completely gut it, and start again. But then, you know, and besides 747, pretty old plane by today's standards too. But still very, very nice gift. Very large, though. I think that's what President Trump would like about that. I'm a big man, and you know, there'd be lots of legroom. Are all the 747s double-deckers? I remember some of them were at some point. Yeah, it's been a long, long time. I only flew on a 747 one time, and it was quite the experience, that is for sure.

Join the conversation. Here's 770-5633-77-OKMED. Speaking of President Trump, Republicans have released a draft copy of that big beautiful tax bill, the one big beautiful bill, Tim Sheehy from Montana saying that Republicans are aligned on making President Trump's tax cuts permanent, avoiding a $4 trillion tax increase on hardworking Americans. Bloomberg says President Donald Trump's campaign pledges no taxes on tips and overtime pay, plus new tax breaks for car buyers and seniors, the centerpiece of a multi-trillion dollar

package that will serve as Republican signature legislative effort. By the way, don't look for any real spending cuts. I'm just kind of warning you. Just have been observing too much of the swamp over the years. Just thought I would mention that, okay? But in a draft version of the bill, House Republicans highlighting the President's priorities in a package that would enact the tax cuts through 2028. The bill would also make the lower individual tax rates Trump signed in 2017 permanent. And the bill addresses a

tax issue that's been dividing lawmakers since it was first restricted by President Trump in 2017. The $10,000 cap on state and local tax deductions. The plan raises the SALT limit, this state and local taxes, to $30,000, but with limits for individuals earning more than $200,000 or couples making twice that. I've always had an issue, and it's not that I'm in favor of the blue states and their high taxes. Of course, we are in a blue state with high taxes, so I guess we do have a dog in the fight, so to speak. But what has always bugged me about this concept of, well, you shouldn't be able to deduct your state and local taxes off of your federal taxes because

it's the federal government subsidizing you know your your spent threat state and there's some appeal to that i think that's kind of a knee-jerk red meat republican kind of looking at it i'm just looking at this practically let's say if i make fifty thousand dollars and uh and let's say let's say I made $50,000 a year, just to make it nice even numbers, and your state government takes 25% out of your income and your property, etc. That means you only have 75% of the money that you have available. Now the federal government comes in there and says that, well, we still want to count the 25% that you gave to your state as taxable income.

And then I would say just as a matter of practicality, it's money that I never got because it went to another government. And then other people will say, well you should then, you know, get out the axe, you know, torches and pitchforks and go and legislatively stab your legislator. You know, I wish that were the case. It's still, was the money, is the money sitting around waiting to be given to someone? No! The money's automatically taken away from you. You don't have it to spend. The concept that the federal government should be taxing a tax is just immoral. I mean, as if taxation isn't immoral enough. But then to tax, tax, pay to another government. In other words, we have warring government gangs. You have your local government gang. You have your

county criminal gang. You have your state criminal gang. And you have your federal criminal gang. And the federal criminal gang is like saying, if other criminal gangs are taking money off the top here, I'm sorry, we're not counting that. You're gonna have to pay tax on a tax. To me, that's just ridiculously immoral. As bad as it is that, you know, how is that a subsidy? Because in the states that do or don't have those high local taxes, that money is available, is available to spend by the person who got paid the income. And then you can pay the federal government a tax on that. I get that. Now I suppose you could get to the point where let's see you could have a state take 90% of your tax or 90% ever almost

all of your income and then the federal government would still tax you on top of that and then you'd be in debt. Now I know I'm using an extreme example but I never agreed with this whole idea of a straight of that and then you'd be in debt. Now I know I'm using an extreme example but I never agreed with this whole idea of state and local taxes being considered taxable income for the feds. And I know like I said this is standard red meat, republicanism, sort of thing like, subsidizing the blue states. No, the people of the blue states just suffer more totally. At least they shouldn't have to pay tax on a tax. That's how I see it. Now if you think I'm wrong, let me know. I'm probably one of the few talk show hosts that would even

say something like that, but yeah, you're a progressive, Bill. No, not really. Speaking of progressive, I got an email. Oh, I knocked over my...I talk with my hands too much. I knocked over my thermos here. I got an email from a rabbi. This rabbi has been conversing with me quite a bit. I finally had to say, hey, call the show. But Rabbi Russell McAlmond, the executive director for the Center for Human Equality

in Grants Pass, wrote me over the weekend, said, Bill, I know that you frequently have people like Chris Barnett on your show, who you may consider as a scary air-quote conservative, but you are wrong to do so. Chris Barnett, John West, Holly Morton, Ron Smith, etc. are not political conservatives and do not represent the good conservatives in Josephine County. I have been a political conservative my entire life, and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, and yes, I am a Jewish rabbi as well, but Dennis Prager is Jewish, Michael Savage is Jewish, Stephen Miller is Jewish. There are extremely influential and good conservatives who are Jewish. You, in my opinion, are not tapping into the true conservatives in the county, but allowing

authoritarians, not a conservative position, to be on your program. How about letting true and thoughtful conservatives from our county voice their opinions about what is happening here and now, and how we are being harmed by these authoritarians? I would be happy to come on any time and talk about people in the county who are true conservatives versus what we call the Sixth Street Cabal in Grants Pass that you are always giving airtime to. I look forward to hearing from you. And we roll back and forth and etc., etc. Rabbi, you are welcome any time.

I mean, I've been doing talk radio here since 19... Okay, so it was 2001. 2001, 2003, 2004. 2003 is when I started doing the talk show host. Rabbi, you've never called the show. 770-5633, you are welcome to call the show anytime. But I do find it interesting that people who consider themselves thoughtful conservatives are against everybody who won the election last year.

I kind of wonder about that. Is thoughtful conservative truly more conservative or just more progressive and open? I mean, Center for Human Equality, that's his group, Center for Human Equality. I don't know if I'm... Well, to me, that's almost a clue. Maybe the Rabbi and I will get a chance to talk about that. The Center for Human Equality, I don't think that humans are equal. We all have different abilities and different skills and different levels of attainment and all these sort of things. The only kind of equality that I really care about is equality before the law.

I think that's what I get concerned about because I don't think we can be equal, but that's just me. Is that not a conservative value either? I don't know. To me, I kind of like the Center for Human Attainment and Competency. But anyway, maybe the Rabbi McAlmond and I will talk at some point, but I said, just call the show. He really disagrees with me on the Chris Barnett situation, the lawsuit. And he was angry, when other people were angry that I even had Chris on last week and he was giving his opinion, giving his opinion about or his take on the lawsuit situation. The part that still bothers me in spite of the fact that a jury in Coos County

held for the plaintiffs or ruled in favor of the people who claimed that they were damaged after the Barnett Corporation ended up buying that Osprey RV resort, is that I'm just going through, I'm just running this through the common sense thing in spite of what the jury and the court may have ruled here. Of course, I'm just a baby lawyer. I get that. I'm not an attorney, but Chris sent me a copy of the deed. and the copy of the deed and the purchase agreement had no encumbrances, nothing about lifetime memberships from these senior citizens that were there. Now, you could be upset with Chris Bardette because you're thinking, well, he should have

honored it, I suppose, but that probably would have been a gift. There was nothing in the paperwork that legally said that they had to continue on the handshake and no paperwork deals of lifetime memberships. I guess the old owner was taking you know six, seven thousand dollars or whatever it was. Yeah, I'll give you a lifetime membership to here then he sells it to the Barnetts and it's not in the deed. So every single real estate transaction that I've ever been involved in has to have any kind of encumbrances or things that you're responsible for in the deed and the purchase agreements And there's nothing about that in there now. I guess the implication is that well, you should have known, you know

It's that sort of thing. I don't know. That's all now I don't know if if the Barnett situation has another angle of legal appeal. We'll just see I'm just kind of sitting there and waiting I I just know that happening after having been through so many real estate transactions in my life, it's either in the paperwork and it doesn't exist. Oral contracts just don't exist in the real estate world, but yet the Coos County jury, of course it was a civil trial, wasn't a criminal trial, you know, a civil deal. They ruled differently. And yes, I wasn't on the jury, but I'm just kind of holding back. I just want to say maybe there's another, maybe the Barnett Corporation pulls another rabbit out of a hat. I don't know. But I'm just willing to say that

it just seems a little odd to me. And just because a court says something doesn't necessarily always make me respect it because, hey, you know, and one example I brought up is that the Second Amendment in Oregon is actually much, much more protected than even the Second Amendment in the United States Constitution. But you wouldn't know that by the way our courts are ruling these days. So you know, consider the source, that kind of thing. Well, you know, the law is what the law is until somebody else wants the law to say something else and maybe somebody has political juice. You know, who knows?

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Tom is here. Tom, you wanted to weigh in what someone was talking about a little bit earlier? Go ahead. Yeah, you know, I was wondering if you have a better word for the words liberal and progressive, particularly progressive, because, you know, in my view, it's anything but progressive. They want to go back to the old authoritarian feudal system of an authoritarian telling everybody what to do. So can you think of a better word than progressive to describe the whole leftist approach to life?

Well, you know, a progressive, well, progressive is in some ways a tyranny of no rules order. Isn't that really kind of where they're coming from? What do you mean no rules? Because I see they want to rule everything. Well, there's no moral rule of any sort. There's no morality involving the rule. And we shall enforce this by rules. Well, that's true. You know, it's, well, I go to another couple of definitions. Democracy is majority rule, the republic is majority rule,

but with inalienable rights intact. In other words, the majority cannot take away your inalienable rights. And that's supposedly a conservative point of view. I don't even like that word either because, I don't know, I just see authoritarianism versus freedom. Yeah, maybe that's really what we're talking about. But even then, what is freedom, right? What is freedom? I would dare say that yeah, that's really the battle. And yet left and right, the so-called left and right can be both authoritarian in their own way

and or freedom in their own way, right? And that's just that I, the labels are really imperfect. I would agree with you on that much. And let's take a look at it. Conservatives as well, the political conservative right, if you want to term that, would tend to most likely look at the world with some rules-based order. And when I say rules-based order, there would have to have to be some morality and also reality I think that they would tend to twist in that. This is why I guess you see more of the Republicans that are saying no you cannot tell me that a chicken is a cow. Kind of the equivalent

of the transgender deal you we're suffering. You don't like the 106 different gender definitions? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And while the so-called progressive will look at this as this is freedom, this is freedom and we will have 106 different genders and various permutations of all sorts of identity groups that of course are going to ask for their slice of the government gravy pie you know that sort of thing and it's not that you that people want to go out there and have a hundred and six genders that they want to be able to identify you know the blue-haired type crowd over there the challenge is that they wish to impose that worldview

and respect and love for that worldview on everyone else. And that's where the right wing then says, hell no. I agree. I really think that the basis for Western civilization and conservatives is basically the Ten Commandments don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, don't... so much of the leftist orientations based on envy, coveting, and so forth. And I would say the right wing is also built more on the nuclear family, conventional male, female, nuclear family, as the forming cell of society, is the way they would tend to look at this. Well, it's kind of a, you know, it's an animal thing. It's a natural thing. That's what Thomas Jefferson was talking about, nature's law and so forth. And

it's a natural, you know, evolution. Well, it's just, if somebody can come up with a better word than progressive, because I think it's really regressive and going back to the old, as I say, the old system. Well, I guess bat guano crazy is too large to put on the ballot, right? Bat guano crazy? Yeah, I guess so. Any fellow can dream. Thank you, Tom.

Let me go to... Well, speaking of crazy, it's crazy Gene. Hello, Gene. Oh, Gene. Hello, Gene. Hello, Gene. Hello, Tom. Let me go to... Well, speaking of crazy, it's Crazy Gene. Hello, Gene. Oh, Gene, your phone's broken. You still there? Yeah, I think your phone's going dead or something.

Gosh, I would have liked to have heard today's crazyism. Maybe fix that and get back to me, okay? It's 631 at KMED. Kevin Sterritt going crazy watching the state legislature. We're going to talk about what is going on with some gun bills. They are moving there, the latest after the rest of the news. Ready to upgrade your roof to a durable, sleek metal option? Look, no. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Kevin Sterritt, Oregon Firearms Federation. He is back. He is the guy. He is the Second Amendment

person who has to spend hour after painful hour listening to Oregon Democrats and sometimes so-called fighting Republicans talk about stuff that they Just don't really understand or maybe they do understand, but they just want to take them away Is that a fair assessment Kevin welcome back to the show good to have you on? Thank you, Bill. I am convinced that when I die if I have not properly atoned for my sins That I will spend eternity Being forced to listen to James Manning talk. Senator James Manning is an interesting individual. I put interesting in the scary air quotes because I listened to the video you sent me, which was a testimony on 243A,

which is yet another gun control, gun more time that we'll talk about that here in just a minute but let's um let's listen to some of the testimony these are the people in charge of our future and it's it's good to know the level of intellectual heft we're dealing with and so here's some of the testimony that happened. Senator Manning. Thank you. Representative, nice to see you. Thank you for coming forward and sharing your perspective on this. I heard that you meant, well you just said something and I hear that as a cry, women that are involved in domestic violence have to wait 10 days in order to get a firearm. Do you believe that women will automatically, if they're involved in a domestic dispute, the first thing on their mind is to go out and buy a pistol or a firearm to kill the perpetrator? Do you believe that? I believe that's probably one of the considerations they should take if their life is being threatened.

If you don't have a firearm, the greatest equalizer amongst all people is firearms. So yes. Kevin, by the way, is that Skarlatos? Representative Skarlatos? Yes, that is Skarlatos. Okay, I just want to make sure I hadn't seen him for a little while. I just wanted to double check. So Alex Skarlatos is actually speaking some sense, and so let's hear how the sensible

testimony was refuted here. Okay, do you also believe that there are women that will not allow their kids to go on a play date unless they ask the owners of the home if they possess firearms because they want to make sure that when they go back they can pick their kids up? Would you consider that? What do you mean by consider up. Would you consider that? What do you mean by consider that? Well, would you believe that?

I would believe that some people would ask that question, sure. So the same way you would believe that if a woman is involved in a domestic issue, the first thing that she would do is to go out and get a firearm so that she can resolve the issue. That means that what you're suggesting, what I'm getting from this is that women are prone to kill when they have some kind of dispute.

I hear that a lot and I'm just kind of wondering, what does that come from? So it comes from numerous examples after California passed legislation like this, making their wait period 10 days. Several women were killed by their ex-husbands while waiting to purchase a firearm. That's where that comes from. Okay. So I'm a former police officer and out there when I was out on patrol, I came across a number of incidents, domestic violence where married couples, unfortunately, it turned out that the wife did after so long was assaulted and succumbed to injuries that she sustained. But most of the injuries and stuff that are suffered in domestic violence are not from

women going to get firearms, but actual fiscal. Okay. Kevin, this guy was too stupid to be a cop, in other words, so now he's a state senator. Okay. He keeps saying he was a cop. I have seen no evidence that he was ever a cop. Wikipedia lists him as having been a corrections officer at one point. But I have to say that, you know, when I cut that clip out of the hearing video, there's a little system you use online to pick the start and stop points for it. And I was having a lot of trouble getting that to work correctly, which meant I had to listen to that over and over. And you could literally, you could Physically sensor I. Q.

plummeting. Listening to this guy and then that wasn't the worst of it well I guess it was the worst of it but the rest of it was. It during the during the hearing it became obvious he completely had no idea what was in this bill. He

completely misrepresented misunderstood what was in this bill. You know, the elements of the bill, he got them all mixed up. I'm sorry, the guy is... he's preverbal. It's like Gumber than a Post, I'm sorry. Okay, you know, I'm listening to this and Scarletto's talks about talks about after after California enacted a bill very similar to SB 243 a that they were having that rules committee hearing yesterday on it that's what you sent this to me from and And that numerous women ended up dying after their they couldn't get firearms and their husbands go and kill them

All right, or their or their partners or whatever that seems to be pretty simple that you put more delays in here and then people who are in trouble get into more trouble. And then he conflates this with, women have a domestic assault and then they want to go out and kill people. It's like, wait a minute, where does that come from? He pulled it out of the air. But you know, the thing is, is that the room was filled with these, you know, with women in red shirts there to demand that men's rights be taken away. Here he goes on this hideously insulting rant against women. And they just sit there, you know, smiling. It's, it's, it's surreal, Bill. It's absolutely surreal

Yeah, Senate bill 243 a that was the hearing that this came from and this is progressing through The gullet and is ready to plop out of the legislative cloaca. I would imagine at some point and Essentially now this bans rapid-fire devices like bump stocks and various other things. And the thing is that aren't most of these already illegal in Oregon? Well, some of them are illegal. But you know, it's interesting that the first people who came to testify were Senators Brodman and Przewski. Now Przewski is kind of stupid, but Brodman comes across as reasonably intelligent, but he too had

no idea what he was talking about. He said that the Trump administration banned all these devices, the Trump administration banned bump stocks, but none of these other things. One of the things that people need to understand is that the definitions they put in this bill are largely meaningless. I had a letter which was actually parts of it were read at the hearing from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms saying that a shoelace is a machine gun. I remember you had sent that to me before, actually out there. I guess the shoelace says since it could be used

to be hooked to a trigger and then make it Fire rapidly if you manipulate it in a certain way. This could then be called a machine gun. Yeah, okay But it doesn't call I mean it says it is a machine. Oh is a machine gun. Pardon me Okay, so when when you realize that what this bill could ban would be virtually anything Of course the immediate reaction from the Democrats is, oh well, you know, the courts won't see it that way. Don't you worry about that. Well, as we've seen over and over in the courts, not only in Oregon, but nationwide, the courts are capable of coming up with some utterly bizarre conclusions. Well, hey, the courts have decided that they're

all involved, district courts are all involved in foreign policy and tariffing. We know that now too. And also immigration. That's the other thing they're involved in too. Big part of that. The courts have found that you can ban parts of guns because they're not complete guns. You're allowed to ban magazines because they're not protected

because they're not arms. Well, then of course you could ban barrels and triggers and stocks and everything else. Their conclusion is on its face absurd. And yet the Democrats, whenever they come up with a bill that is poorly written, idiotic, not well defined, is don't worry, the courts won't come up with, reach that conclusion.

But the fact is, is we've seen over and over, even when the courts are given very specific directionings about how they must resolve cases by the Supreme Court, the lower courts simply say, we're not doing that. And the Supreme Court says, okay, that's fine. And so, I mean, in addition to banning these devices, which many people own legally and don't convert guns into machine guns, owning these devices will make you a criminal. They also want to vastly expand the number of places that people with concealed handgun licenses cannot go.

Now, I'm wondering though, why is this? Because is there been a problem with all of these places being open to concealed carry? And something will tell me that knowing Oregon, no, there's not. But maybe I'm wrong. You know, Dan Bonham, one of the Republicans on the committee, directly asked Broadman, have there been any issues where people have been in public or government buildings and caused any problems as concealed handgun license holders and if you listen to broadman's answer. It wasn't an answer it was basically well everyone deserves

access to their democracy and some people are not comfortable if they think there's other people in the room who are armed. Well you know what I'm not comfortable in a room full of fat all women in red t-shirts. And therefore they

should not be allowed to be there. It's like my comfort is all that's important and your rights are meaningless. And in a room full of fat all women in red t-shirts and therefore they should not be allowed to be there it's like my comfort is all that's important and your rights are meaningless but no there's been no issues of people shooting up city council well when you look at this when you look at what broadman's trying to do with his amendment the list of places that this expands to is enormous it's water districts. A cemetery board districts. Oh there's there's. Dozens of different

districts that are created in Oregon law. And this would encompass whatever buildings any of them are involved in some cases that's people's homes. I mean it it's just utterly mindless. It's been given no thought and it

doesn't matter because for years what the legislature has done and this is true from Republicans as well Is to craft crap throw it out there And then when you say look this is going to impact people's lives in a way you hadn't considered their responses That's your problem. You'll figure it out in court. All right What is the future of this bill right now? And because I think what bothers me, I mean, as bad as the,

okay, we're gonna ban binary triggers, right? The ones that will fire in each direction as you, when you fire and then let go. That's what a binary trigger is, isn't it? Well, I have a lot of non-binary triggers and they're feeling really left out about this. But- Do they identify as a binary or not?

Do they? They identify as scopes actually so they can be banned but the next step is a work session tomorrow. I have no doubts that this bill will pass out of the committee on the work session because that's what they do there. And you know, as we've mentioned before, we keep being lectured by the Republicans that it's our problem we haven't provided enough response to these bills and if you go look at you go look at the testimony that's been uploaded on these bills. And you know you can look online and see all the testimony for and against and you don't even have to read this well over a thousand opposed. And a

hundred and something in support. And yet we still get emails from the likes of Jeff Alfred saying you've got to go and it's you know make your voice heard well we have made our voice heard over and over and we keep being ignored. And

and you know this is a guy. And and so many of them are doing it. Sending out email saying you know make your voice heard guy, and so many of them are doing it, sending out emails saying, you know, make your voice heard. Look, on Manning's militia bill, which is actually being heard, having a work session today. Boy, Manning gets into a lot of this stuff, doesn't he? Yeah, he's kind of everywhere.

But you know, the only person who testified in favor of Manning's bill was Manning. The only person who testified in favor of Manning's bill. Was Manning. The only person everybody else is opposed to yet this bill is sliding through and the Republicans are telling us you got to make your voice heard. Well you know people keep making

their voices heard and the Republicans keep. Ignoring. Their job which is to respond to this and as I you know I posted on the last alert, you know, a lot of the Republicans are doing these videos now. And the last video he put up was an interview with his mentor, Mike Reese, who is now in charge of corrections.

Well, Mike Reese is a longtime militant anti-gun activist. This is the mentor to the Republicans who are telling us it's our problem to stop the bills that the Republicans won't stop. Kevin, if you had to estimate of the Republicans that we have in the state Senate and the state and the state house rather, how many would you arguably evaluate are political cross-dressers that sit there and talk a good Republican game, but then are sitting around there listening to anti-gun groups and people from really the Democratic side of the aisle? If you were to estimate...

Well, there are a lot of people who are named the ones who weren't. I mean, Kim Thatcher, Dinah Lethekum, Duane Yonker, and Noel Robinson. I'm sorry if I've missed anyone, but even others who kind of talk a big game are talking, saying the right, like, you know, Ed Diehl will always say the right things, but nothing's being done. And meanwhile, people's taxes are going up, their liberties are being attacked, you know, over time, they will have less and less freedom. And, you know, there was a comment made by Daniel Bonham about how, you know, ultimately Tina Koteck wants to completely ban gasoline powered cars. And

the response was well you know gasoline powered cars don't shoot people it was utterly idiotic. But the point is is that. There's an opportunity here for Republicans to really take a stand and say look this this has to stop. You want to

take away our cars you want to take you want to tax us to death. You want to impose all these regulations that make no sense, but make somebody rich somewhere. And look, the Democrats are not shy about this stuff. They take bags full of cash from drug dealers. And then when they get caught doing that, they're fined. Fagan was fined what? $1,600. Well, it was $1,600 at first, and then the commission was embarrassed by it. Then they put it up to $3,600. But that's about one-third of a month's salary for the LaMotta weed money she was taking all that time.

Well, you know, that's the point. It's like, okay, we've solved the problem of corruption. We fined Fagan $3,600. $3,600 would not keep the lawyers' stock. And by the way, they gave her back her lawyer's license. She has the ability to practice that. Right, I mean, you know, the Bar Association in Oregon, their job is to protect crooked people. It really is. But this is, anyway, that's where that's at.

And then today, his militia bill gets a work session and on and on and people will say this is anyway, that's that's where that's at. And then today his militia bill gets it gets a work session and on and on and people will say this is a terrible thing and then sit there and let it pass. That is the point. And the only tool that Republicans have at this point to have any kind of representation for southern Oregonians is to deny them the ability to move these bills and that I and I know that I'm gonna keep Banging this this gong this cheap gong again and again. What are you doing there? I was so frustrated last week talking with with Not Commissioner state representative court voice about this. It's like court. You don't have the votes

You you can't stop it except to stop it. Like, stop the legislative business and then you have to negotiate coming back in if you want to pass your budgets. But all this crap like Manning's 243A, the 114A type bill, all the rest of this stuff has got to be taken out because otherwise you're not representing us. I mean, yeah, just being there to vote no is not helping right now. Well, and you know, you would think that the least they would do is not allow themselves to be humiliated.

Here's a picture of me with my close friends, the Democrats. Here's me chatting, you know, I'm so friendly with this witness who's up here who's coming to take away our rights. Here I am doing an interview with someone who's against everything we stand for and calling him in my mentor. You know, here's another email asking for money and saying, here, how bipartisan we are. You know, here's me sitting there being told to shut up by Floyd Prusansky, and then we post those videos. It's actually embarrassing. I mean, we can't even

get them to stand up to these people and walk out of the place where they're being humiliated. There's only a handful of Republicans right now, from what you mentioned, the ones you just mentioned, and maybe a few others that we've missed, that aren't acting like battered wives. I mean, they are literally acting like battered wives out there, that if I'm nice enough to these people,

that maybe they'll treat me okay. Maybe it's a human nature sort of thing, you know, in the tribe when you get beaten and beaten and beaten so much that that's the way people react. I don't know. Well, sure. I mean, if you're beating up all the time, every time somebody, okay, we're just gonna give you this cup of water. Oh, well, maybe they really like me, you know, maybe I'm really getting through. And it's a game and the Democrats understand it.

They understand it brilliantly and they play the Republicans constantly like, oh, I got my bill passed, you know, something that is completely innocuous and the Democrats want. And the next thing you know, we see the Republicans saying, oh, look at what we're succeeding at. We have all this wonderful stuff going on because we passed a bill that the Democrats wanted in the first place. And meanwhile, the important issues about people's freedom, their money, their possessions, that's all going down the drain,

and the Republicans are ignoring it. And you're right, we're beating on the same drum, but the fact is Oregonians are losing. There is not a day that goes by that I don't hear from several people who say, I'm done, I'm out of this state. And the problem is the more people that say that, I'm done, I'm out of this state, makes it even more tenuous than or more difficult for the people who remain. They're fighting for liberty. Really is.

It's tough. And then that vacuum is filled with people who are, you know, mentally ill transgender drug users because Nirvana is Portland, you know, and that is absolutely the truth, the facts. But the reality is you can't really blame people when they say, okay, I'm a small farmer. They're putting me out of business. They're taxing me out of business. They're taking away my right to protect my ranch. They're endangering my children with policies that could sexually mutilate them without

my knowledge. They're having lesbian awareness day, like we don't have enough of that, right? I mean, just all, not only the symbolic stuff, but the concrete stuff that really damages people's lives. And at some point people say, I can't even afford to live here anymore. Yeah. And at this point though, if these bills pass and you hear from all these people who aren't willing to deny them quorum and make them and make the Democrats negotiate for what really matters, what's really important, then

they've helped pass the bills. That's all there is to it. And I don't know, you know, where else we go here, but get in touch with your with your with your legislators and don't fall for this. We'll get in touch with the Democrats. There's no point in getting in touch with the Democrats. They're doing what they were elected to do for their people, so to speak. You can't negotiate with psychopaths and the Democrats. You know, your previous caller was asking for another name for progressives, and I think demonic or satanic works in this case. Those people are absolutely determined to crush your liberties. You cannot bargain with them in good faith. We hired people to do this and they're not doing it and those are the people who need to hear from you.

Get the latest alert over at oregonfirearms.org. Kevin Starr at Oregon Firearms. So 243A is going to have a work session... No, tomorrow. Tomorrow, okay. Today the militia bill gets a work over, right? Is that the day? That's 947 at 3 o'clock. What about the Measure 114 replacement bill?

I forget the number of that. What's the status of that? 3075 and 3076, which is a bill to shut down all the gun stores, are sitting in, I believe, the Ways means committee and. Those committees have no deadlines so what are they waiting for I cannot tell you- I suppose it's possible that

they're saying well hold these well you know. I actually don't know I don't know what they're waiting for on those on those bills there's always stuff going on behind the scenes. That we are not aware of but they're still very much alive and as long as they're waiting for on those bills. There's always stuff going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of, but they're still very much alive. And as long as they're in committee, that committee, they are still quite possibly coming down.

All right. Well, thank you for the update, Kevin. And I appreciate the fact that you will spend hour after mind, brain, frying hour listening to Pabl like what the Senator Manning testified yesterday. Just absolutely insane. I do it for the people, Bill. All right. Thanks so much, Kevin. Be well. Thank you.