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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clauserdrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Well, the Chinese, and I'm speaking of China, and Trump administration talking supposedly, and there's a framework of some deal. Is everything okay? I don't know.

I wanted to talk about this with Dr. Dana Cheng, one of the Epic Times founders. Yep, Epic Times. I'm a big fan of the Epic Times newspaper and online the news site, theepictimes.com. And we appreciate you being on. Dr. Cheng, a pleasure. Good morning. Thank you for having me. And you are one of the founders.

How many people got together to form the Epic Times and when did that actually first happen? I've been kind of curious about the actual history of the group. Oh, it was in year 2000. Quite a few of us, we gathered together and actually the first editing and the reporting team were based in China. It was an underground group. They put their heads together, tried to gather the news and you know in China all the media are communist-owned, state-owned, so no one can report freely. So they started to publish articles related to human rights violations, persecution of

Falun Gong, and the Communist Party, CCP, we called it the Chinese Communist Party, got very mad. So half a year later, they were all arrested. Some were sentenced to three to five years. A few were sentenced to ten years. So they spent a lot of time in jail and that's the start. That's the first team of editorial. And I would imagine then once getting out of jail, you decided, many of these people decided getting the heck out of Dodge, so to speak, and then emigrating to the United

States. Is that how this ended up happening? Yeah. Some came here to United States as a refugee. But we grow very fast because we're independent. It's very, very hard to find an independent Chinese media. In year 2004, we expanded to English and then 24 other languages. Interesting. Well, I know that you're just grown like crazy and I'm glad to see this and no doubt a strong anti-communist stance and I'm good with that. I wanted to just focus a little bit this week here. What is your overall impression, doctor,

of the news this week of a tentative framework with a China trade deal and the Trump administration? Do you have any, you know, yeas or nays about this? Your overall impression, please. Well, this is a 90-day path for the trade war. I don't think, like, CCP, the Communist Party, never want to have a win-win business relationship with the U.S. or anyone. As we were growing up, we were educated by Communists directly. Communists want to take over the whole world. Communists see the free world or the idea of individual freedom as a threat to its existence. So you never want to have a win-win business relationship with anyone. You want to take advantage whenever

it can and take over the whole world. That's their goal. And you knew this from having grown up there. This was something that was quite open. They weren't kidding around about this. Well, they have never changed. Actually, in last five years, actually since Trump's first administration, it has intense anti-American propaganda going on in China. So anything goes around blaming America. I have been reading and also talking with other people, some of them epic times contributors. I spoke with one a few weeks ago that is telling me that life in China right now is actually quite tenuous and economically things are on kind of a knife's edge.

Could you comment on this? True? Not true? How do you see this from your sources? College graduates, 40% of them cannot get a job. And they are protesting everywhere and maybe on daily basis. Basically, people work in factories, people work on construction sites, and even some government employees, they have not had paycheck for months.

So there were protests. So Chinese people are very good in enduring hardship. But even for Chinese people, it's beyond the limit they can bear. So there are protests everywhere. Because the CCP control all the media, social media, text message, everything. And they have a large army of police to put out those protests. So these kind of news do not get out. So there's a crisis in China economically, and it made people on a large scale question what CCP is doing and Xi Jinping for his position.

Actually in military, there are military generals get missing from the public eye. It means there are intense infight. Xi Jinping might not be in control of military at this point. That's interesting. So it's a crisis for it. It has to talk to America because otherwise it's the internal pressure that can shake its power. By the way, CCP never care about the well-being of its people. It's always about its power. Now, authoritarian regimes everywhere are kind of that way.

Dr. Dana Chang, once again, one of the founders of the Epic Times with me this morning. Dr., you said that the Chinese do not want to have a win-win trade deal, but it would appear that given your description of challenges in China right now from your sources within China that the Trump tariffs of a few weeks ago ended up having a real impact. Was it not because we were still, the United States was still the number one importer of many of Communist China's goods? Is that true?

Right. China economy has been declining for a while, for quite a few years. And the tariffs put extra pressure on it. Do you think that this is more the reason for the tariffs rather than reshoring, let's see, factories from China to America and for manufacturing? Is this really the game being played, the foreign policy game really about putting pressure on the regime? Or is there genuinely looking to, you know, in your opinion to get a good trade deal for the United States? How do you see it?

The biggest concern actually is the national security. The trade, we have lost a lot of wealth to China for a few decades. If the money is to make Chinese people have a better life, that will be okay. But CCP take most of the money and use the money it earned from America to build up a military. So the gap between the US military and China military, that gap has been shortened and is getting closer and closer. So that's a real threat to national security. I think that's the real concern for Trump. That sounds like it's your real concern, you know, here at this point. It's not nearly as much the trade as it is the military buildup of China that the trade has enabled. Is that kind of what I'm hearing from you?

Yes. Okay. All right. Dr. Chang, how does China plan to use its almost monopoly on rare earth processing? I know President Trump is talking about wanting to kickstart rare earth processing really fast and really, really hard. But are we in danger of that being used as a cudgel against us at this point? How do you see that? I think eventually we need to move away from China in the industry

that is connected to national security. And we cannot switch that fast enough because in the past several decades, we have viewed all these important manufacturers inside China, and that was a wrong decision, because that's a communist regime. It's not a normal society. For an American decision maker to assume that to help them to make

money, you will open the market and change the society and change the communists change communists. That's very naive. That's a wrong decision. So to switch all these key industries, steel, pharmaceutical, and rare earth, those key products, we have to seize time to switch away from communists, but it's not easy. Yeah, I'm sure of that. And I know that China, I mean, rare earths aren't exactly rare from what I understand.

They are available a lot, but China is really where the world goes to process rare earths. And that's something that we pretty much allowed our industry in the United goes to process rare earths and that's something that we pretty much allowed our industry in the United States to go away, right? Couldn't compete with that. Right. It's basically the scale of the manufacture. We have helped China to build up that. So if we build it in United States or another allied country, it takes time to build to

that kind of a scale. But we need to do that. How much CCP espionage do you believe goes on in the United States? Do you have any examples of, are you aware of a lot of this going on? Okay. Let me give you an example. When China took back Hong Kong, it sent 200,000 people there,

and they are in different industry, and they have extra agenda that you report to certain, their system, their intelligence system. And so for America, they have more. But it's not like what we see in the Soviet Union spy movie. It's more like they can engage anyone, the trained agent and the ordinary person, they can approach and lure them into working for them. That you cannot separate. So they use the nationalism as a lure, oh oh you love your motherland and you should make

a contribution. Sure. Right. So, I don't, of course, many people come into America to seek freedom, like, like, with you. And so many people, many Chinese people defend the freedom of America, but there are also others that the communists have sent and also communists that have convinced to work with them. What level of cooperation do you think the United States can engage with China when it

comes to trade? That would be, I don't know if it's a good term here, Dr. Cheng, safe to do. In other words, what level, you know, because 145% tariff level was practically an embargo. I think this was about getting Xi Jinping's attention here. You know, what is the pain, the pressure point in these trade negotiations, but where do you think that, you know, what should we be open to because we can't just completely embargo Chinese goods away from us at this point? We don't have a supply chain here at home yet.

What do you believe? I don't have an exact number. Okay, yeah, it might be an unfair question. You're not a trade expert anyway. I don't have a number, but I have to say that the first time Trump put a lot of time negotiating the agreement, but that agreement China never followed. We have to remember any agreement CCP, communist is not going to follow, is only trying to buy time and try to find some other way to take advantage. Because it's a communist, it's not a normal society. We have to a communist. It's not a normal society. We have to understand communists. I don't feel American people understand communists. Even so, we have had many years

of fight with the Soviet Union. Do you see war as an inevitability with the communist Chinese? If we don't control its economy and the way they make money from US, we will go into a war. Dr. Dana Chang, once again one of the founders of the Epic Times, theepictimes.com. I appreciate your opinion this morning, and I know that you grew up with the system, you understand the system and you still have contacts within that. Thank you very much.

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to follow the no-eviction rules for pregnant women? What about pregnant men? Oh, Jeff. Jeff. Oh, man. That's a classic Oregon question. I don't know if that's an Oregon email of the day or a dad joke. I'm not quite sure, Jeff.

Either way, we'll take it. 770-5633, let me grab a couple of calls here before news. We want to talk about Vision 2040 this morning too. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is Terry. Terry.

Vision 2040, what is that? Vision 2040. Vision 2040 is the world improvement form that the city of Medford has signed on to, essentially, more sustainable development. More of what you have seen. More road diets. less carbon, better living, don't own anything. Does that help? Yeah, they're a bunch of communists. Well, a little bit of that, but communism being forced by state policy. And they had a open house on this last night, apparently. All right, it's okay. And we wonder why we drink so heavily, right? Yeah. Yeah, all right.

770-5633. Hi, Good morning. Who's this? Welcome Hello. Oh Yeah, right here. Hey, won't we have some more fun tomorrow or Friday? Let's call it a have fun Friday You guys are way too serious. You know what I mean? I mean, why not? Tell some jokes, you know like when I was a kid, I peeled all the labels off the dog food and the green beans and my dad went in and cooked some food up.

Well, I'll tell you what, if I ever have a joke segment where, which is not really my thing other than the dad jokes occasionally, maybe we'll invite you on, okay? Thanks, Jason. Let me grab another call. Hi, good morning, who's this? Good morning, this is Brenda from Medford. Hello, grab another call. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning. This is Brenda from Medford.

Hello Brenda. Oh, you wanted to talk about your amazing experience, right? Oh, it was not amazing. It was just about like you would predict. All right. Well, Brenda was attending the Open House for Vision 2040. And so can you hang on to the news break and then we'll get right on get right with you, okay? Well, I'm fine with this. I don't know if it's gonna be fun, but at least we'll get you informed I think that that Brad Bennington might call in too We'll see if he's maybe on the line ready to upgrade your roof to a durable sleek metal option Look no further than Stephen Westfall roofing ink with. With our state of the art snap lock machines,

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Well, this is what John Rappaport said yesterday. It's interesting that he's doing this because as I told you there was another doctor I wanted to do the interview because when they do the statistics of pharmaceutical drugs and their toxic side effects, they only look at the 12 days that you're in the hospital. They don't look at all the people that die at home or that live longer than 12 days in the hospital, but the drugs are killing them. It turns out pharmaceutical drugs are absolutely the number one cause of death.

They all have to have an LD50 rating, meaning they show how much kill half the people in all people. You can't get anything approved if it's not toxic. Okay. So that's why President Trump wants them cheaper so he can kill more people. Is that the implication? Well, look what they did with this COVID vaccine. Okay. Well, that's a really interesting theory, even though it's not Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

Send me the doctor's name again. Okay. All right. I thought it was excellent. All right. Send me the doctor's name and we'll see about an interview. I have limited time, but I'll do my best. Cliff is here. Cliff, on the pregnant woman, one year, you can't kick him out according to this Senate bill which they're considering in the legislature. Go ahead. Right. Okay. So the bill as it's written right now is it states the rental agreement may not be terminated for non-payment as defined in ORS 9395 if a tenant is pregnant or not more than 12 months postpartum. So this the way the bill is written right now is as I read it is someone that's pregnant, a woman, could be on state aid and rental assistance for 12

months plus another 9 months if they're just recently pregnant. Now, question for you. Now you are a landlord, are you not? Oh yeah. All right, Cliff, why would anybody want to be a landlord with such a law that you couldn't kick someone out for non-payment? Well, the landlord's lobbyists are fighting bills like this with both hands tied behind their back up there. What kind of

hands tied behind their back? Is it the hands tied behind their back because of Republicans are saying we can't walk out because then we wouldn't be able to run for re-election? I doubt if a Republican would ever walk out on a bill like this. Oh, okay. Yeah. In fact, I've never seen any Republican talking about walking out on a landlord-tenant bill myself, which I find kind of interesting. Oh, all right. So, this wouldn't cause any problems for rental housing in the future? There's some major concerns I see with the bill and they need to have some sideboards

put into it and to where, you know, what kind of criteria, how they're going to qualify. Okay. All right. So the devil's in the details. All right, Cliff. All right. Here's the bottom line as far as I see here. I find it interesting that the state of Oregon wants to focus on, okay, how do we subsidize

everybody who can't support themselves rather than why is it that so many people can't support themselves? Is it just me or am I crazy? No, you're not crazy. Okay, all right. So we can at least agree on that much. Thank you, Cliff. Let me go to Brenda. Brenda is a star this morning because Brenda lost control of her life and actually went to the open house last night in Medford for vision 2040 Brenda welcome to the program and how badly glazed are your eyes this morning? I just needed to find out I was so angry when I left there. Well before I left there I came home and talked to my daughter and I came home and talked to my daughter and I said, I know I'm excited now, I'm just so angry. But it was ridiculous.

It was absolutely ridiculous. I saw the post on it through Diane Anderson when I went to her presentation and it said, Medford Downtown 2040 Plan Open House help envision the future of downtown Medford. Join us on May 13th for an update on the Downtown 2040 Plan. Give your feedback on the draft.

On the draft, downtown recommendations, multi-model improvements, and what should be a top priority for downtown over the next 15 years. And it said at the bottom, Tuesday May 13th, 6 to 8 p.m. Pallet wine, 340 North 1st Street. And then below that they said scan the queue code for more info. So I had to be at Pallet wine. Was this so they get you good and drunk so you didn't notice the devil in the details here or was there something else going on? The thing is we got

to Pallet Wine and they were closed. It's a very large building. We walked around, tried every door, walked a block and a half around the building to find the front door. All the doors were locked. There was no sign, no nothing, just said where to go. Well, it wasn't there and it wasn't the place behind it, which was another wine company. And we're standing there thinking, what now? And so we saw people going into another building, another wine company, a few ways. So we followed

them and that's where it was. First of all, there was no presentation, no presenter at all, just a lot of large easels with posters on them. And by the time I walked around I've got really bad knees and I walked with a cane. I had to sit down and so it was ridiculous. What was it, Brenda, that seemed to strike you as ridiculous on the Vision 2040. First of all, they didn't have the right information as to where to go. The first woman who came up to me got real snippy with me, kept interrupting me. She wanted my feedback. We were talking and every time I mentioned McAndry's Road or downtown, what a disaster that is. I said, you know, downtown should be put back the way it was before.

She said, well, how was it before? And I looked at her and I said, where are you from? She said, well, I live in Medford. And I said, then why are you asking me why our house downtown was before if you don't even live here? Do you know if this was one of the planners? Because I know one of the planners that I thought was in charge of the system, I believe that she bicycles to work and she's lived in Medford, I think, four or five years.

I don't know about that. They have a few people with the name tags on that say, do you have any comments? Do you have any questions? Da da da da da. And so I really don't know, but it was obvious that she didn't want to hear what I had to say. She got snippy with me and she ended up walking away. I said okay well one down and so I was still sitting there and while my friend was walking around and looking at all the posters on easel and then a man came up to me and he actually listened to me. And he had no idea either what was going on. What was the overall tenor of the plan, as you can tell?

Oh my goodness, it's for walking people. It's just for walking people. And I asked both of the people that I talked to, I said, well, what about the people like me who are unable to walk? what is your plan for us they had no answer well you can drive and I said no we won't be able to drive oh and by the way Bill when I mentioned oh this is a continuation of the 15 minuteminute cities, right? Excuse me, the first girl got really upset with me when I said that and the man said, oh no, this is different.

Excuse me for just a moment, Bill. Okay, yeah, go ahead and cough it out. I had a rug in my throat. No, it's okay. Hey, I'd have a hairball after talking with some of these folks too. It's okay. So anyway, they got a little uptight whenever I said, what about the people who can't walk? They had no answer for that. And as far as comments and stuff, And as far as comments and stuff, they're talking like it was already done. And I said, well, if it's already done, why are you taking this survey? Or why are you taking our comments? And they said, well, the survey is already done and this is the done deal. Now the man, when he was actually listening to me, he did mention that Bear Creek is something

that they're going to take care of too because the feedback that they've gotten so far, that people are afraid to go there because they don't feel safe. And I said, do you know why they don't feel safe? He said, no, why? And I said, well, we have so many illegals here and tons of homeless. Isn't that fascinating? Someone supposedly in charge of promoting why, you know, hey, we're going to take care of the Bayer Korea Greenway and yet doesn't even understand the problems or? Exactly. And even when I mentioned the homeless and the illegals and the drugs and he was surprised. He was really surprised.

He was surprised? Yeah. How could someone supposedly involved in the planning of downtown Medford be surprised about concerns about illegal aliens, crime, and drug-addled homeless? What city are they working in? No, no, maybe they're probably teleported to work. They're not even riding their bikes at this point. They're teleporting to work from their home, wherever that is in the area. Well, then he asked me a question.

He says, what do you think we should be done about that then? And I said, deport the illegals and get the homeless out of this town. I said, we didn't have a problem like this before our governor put us down as a sanctuary state. And I said, then all the homeless came in, the illegals came in, and now it's not. And then we legalized street drugs too, there for a while. Voters supposedly did that. Really weird. Yeah, I forgot to mention that at the time. Yeah. So anyway, the survey is already

done. This is a done deal. Comments don't mean crap. And so is this more of the fabricating of consent because it sure is what it looks like to me. Yeah, that was it. And I was surprised. I posted this poster that I saw on Diane Anderson's presentation. I posted it twice on Facebook and said, you know, if you're really interested in what's happening to this town, you really need to go to this meeting and see what it's about." And there were so few people there, I couldn't believe it. It was just not very many people. People aren't interested or they don't know about it because if I hadn't gone to Diane's

presentation, I'd have never known about it either. Or they don't understand it. They just think that this is something. I think what concerns me most, more than anything, is that a lot of this is connected with the climate-friendly equitable community. Diane has talked about this, we've talked about it, Brad Bennington, I have also talked about it. This is all plugged into the sustainable development vein

of democratic politics. And that is controlling the state at this point. And what I am curious about at this point is if it is too late to even... Because like I said, these have been plans that we've been talking about for years and people would call us conspiracy theorists, right? Until Brown ends up doing your executive order on the climate friendly, equitable community. And the thing is, the city council is kind of held over a barrel on this situation,

because as Nick Card told me a few weeks ago, essentially, you're at the point where you either do this, you go down this plan, this path, you do this kind of thing where it's the 15-minute city, the 15-minute prison city or the Freedom City, whatever the case might be, and you're walking everywhere, or else Medford and any other city doesn't get to build anything. Right, exactly. And it's already been approved by the City Council, according to what this gentleman was telling me. One of the presenters, not a presenter, he was just walking around asking...

So they're concerned about people not visiting downtown in an area that is demographically older, and then they're going to wonder why people aren't going to want to take RVTD downtown to be able to walk around a walk around only kind of downtown which is what they seem to be envisioning. Is that a fair kind of angle on this? Yeah, that's it. It's already decided, it's already in the works, it's already completely planned out. Our feedback doesn't mean anything to them. So I don't know why, oh I wrote comments though and so did my friend that went with me. And so we'll see what happens. But the fact that these people weren't, didn't even live here, didn't even know about the Candrews or downtown or how it was before.

They had no clue. Yeah. Brenda, thank you for sharing the experience there. And I'm trying to think about the best angle of attack at this point, because everything about this has been in the shadows and the fabrication of public input. And a lot of it, a lot of the surveys, in my opinion, have been self-selected, where the people supporting the agenda, the spandex mafia planners and things like that, get their buddies all involved in this. City councils go along because it's essentially grant stream funding, or hey, if you want to be able to build anything, you're going to have to do this but ultimately whose city is it is or whose city is it and I

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The important point is they need real progress and have a framework to get to a deal. Get to the conversation. We can reset the conversation. With News Talk 1063 KMED. Welcome to the Bill Meyers Show on 1063 KMED. Give Bill a call at 541-770-5633. That's 770-KMED. It's been stirring my imagination this morning, the conversation about Senate Bill 992, which would protect low-income pregnant renters and renters with babies in the first year of life from being evicted. It would stop the landlords and apparently would put them in line with, you know, getting more grant stream funding because it's always about grand stream funding. We are never to worry about why we have so many people who can't afford their children

and so many people who can't afford to eat. Because this is the other big headline that everyone's chewing on, Oregon Capital Chronicle, proposed federal SNAP cuts would leave Oregon families hungry, governors and senators warn. More than 700,000 Oregonians get aid from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, in other words, the Oregon Trail Card SNAP benefits. Cuts to SNAP could place more strain on the state budget and food banks. Oregonians will go hungry if congressional Republicans plow forward with plans to cut the SNAP benefits and shift the cost to the states. This is according to senators and Governor Tina Kotec. They're warning this on Tuesday, when they came up with this one. And we had Kotec and Wyden and Merkley on

a press call yesterday, three other damn senators and the head of a Vermont anti-hunger group discussing proposed cuts to SNAP. So 700,000 Oregonians. 700,000 Oregonians. What does the state of Oregon suppose the federal government is supposed to do at this point? I mean I'm dead serious because it is about a mathematics problem. Even right now, right now FedGov with everything that's there, spends $6 trillion, $2 trillion of that is borrowed. And then the state of Oregon says that we can't afford this because if you cut the part, you know, a lot of people are going to go hungry. And you know, some could.

You know, I don't want to completely discount this, and nor am I heartless about such matters. But remember, this is a state that is very business unfriendly, very development unfriendly, unless you're talking climate friendly, equitable habit trails built in downtown Medford. I think that was something that they'd be very happy, as long as you didn't own a car and you didn't own much stuff, as long as you didn't own a car and you didn't own much stuff, you know, as long as we, you know, have that for you. But they don't look at root on something like this. I mean, 700,000 Oregonians on the Oregon Trail Card, that's 700,000, that's one out of every six people that you run around and you meet today can't afford to feed themselves or can't afford to feed their families.

Why do you suppose the state of Oregon doesn't focus on why the people can't feed their families rather than feeding their families with taxpayer money? That's the part that kind of mystifies me, other than the fact that people who are on SNAP benefits then could be a reliable voting block for for democratic politicians like Tina Kotec and Oregon Senators Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley. I guess that could be, but 700,000, it's one out of every six. See to me, that's not a sign that the federal government is shirking its responsibilities, that's a sign that the state of Oregon, government is shirking its responsibilities, that's a sign that the state of Oregon,

if they're truly concerned about their citizens, their residents, should be concentrating more on building economic activity for their citizens and reshifting their priorities too. Right? Remember we talked about how much effort seems to be going into carbon and climate friendly equitable communities and stopping people from building and stopping people from going into business and this seems to be the standard operating procedure and then says, oh my gosh, one out of six people can't afford to feed themselves. The federal government can't stop this. It would hurt them. Okay, well, why couldn't the state then repurpose its tax money that it has for various and sundry purposes instead of saying, oh, I don't know, sending, you know, worrying about what the island of misfit humans and transgender surgery stuff is

being done within the OHA, maybe concentrate more on food, if that's the case. How about even more on economic activity? I know a fella can dream, a fella can dream here. We know that the feds can't keep borrowing two trillion out of every six trillion that they're spending. We know that can't happen and yet all we're hearing is that you can't cut this. Well what can you Yeah, by the way, I would be cutting the military too. I know that there's something that would make me go against the Republican orthodoxy because even Trumpy is looking to get more money into that. I don't know.

I don't know. Try to tell me there's no waste in the military budget. None. Just saying. Come on, Pete. Come on, Pete. You can work that too. All right. This is the Bill Maier show. Just saying. Come on Pete, come on Pete, you can work that too. Alright, this is the Bill Meyers show. Alright, defensible space. The wildfire map is gone in the state of Oregon, but you know the need for defensible space is not. I'm going to

talk to a gentleman from the Defensible Space Foundation. There's actually a foundation here in Southern Oregon that helps people get that. We'll kick it around next for wildfire season.