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But the need for defensible space in rural homes and maybe not even non-rural homes. That's still there. And I wanted to talk with Richard Waldo about this. He has just finished up forming a foundation. And it's about defensible space. It's the Oregon Defensible Space Foundation. Richard, it's a pleasure having you on. Tell us a little bit about this journey in which you decided that I didn't realize we

needed that, that they would have a foundation for defensible space, but go ahead, break it down. Well, thank you, Bill, for having me on. I know your time is slim. Yeah, we were looking at different programs when I bought a hundred acres out here in Southern Oregon. And there were programs available, but they all required you bugging your neighbors, bringing them all together, going through the training with that program.

And then each one would tackle their own, you know, with that group of people, neighbors to tackle each other's, you know, defensible space. The problem is, is that, you know, if they're a growing family, they're too busy, they don't have time to do this. And then the other dynamic out here is that they're either older folks or financially challenged folks where they can't, they don't have the equipment, they don't have the abilities to get that done or even to pull their neighbors. And if you go further out, most of these people, they got out there because they didn't want to

have neighbors. They don't necessarily talk to their neighbors. And that also means you don't have a lot of help then, kind of hanging around if you do need some trouble. Exactly. Okay. So, you know, I've been involved in wildland firefighting for a number of years. I worked for the National Park Service in several different parks. And we moved here as, you know, obviously working for years building to a dream of finally

getting to that point. And through that interim, my mother-in-law lost everything she owned in the Paradise Fire, the campfire. Oh boy. So your family has lived through the lack of defensible space. That was a classic example. Right, right. And then we moved here and then there was the Alameda fire and talent and Phoenix literally got obliterated. And, you know, I looked around and I'm going, my gosh, you know, this never happened some 30 years ago when I was doing more around firefighting because we did a lot of mitigation. You did control burns, you did different things like that back then. And then the different environmental movements got involved and wanted to try to do a more

natural approach, where all fire is a natural component of a forest. The problem is that now people live in those forests and you can't just let them burn like you did centuries ago. The Indians would go down in the valleys in central California and they would harvest, gather, and then burn it off as they left so that it would replenish that land when they came back next year. Yeah, but even then they didn't do big, huge wildfires to accomplish that, from what I understand. You did kind of a small-scale burning for that. In a sense it was control burn, right? And so today you leave that alone and you leave the forest alone, that fuel doesn't just

disappear, it builds up and then you get a lightning strike, a fire, somebody who, an arsonist, what have you, it takes off and there's no stopping it once it gets into the cannon. The one thing I would say though, Richard, if you don't mind me interjecting a bit on this is that you look at Almeida and to have called that a wildfire is a bit of a misnomer and I know everybody does. Correct. They talk about being a wildfire. It was a arson set

fire in a 60 mile an hour wind event and you know had there been just a an arson fire set in just a normal time I doubt it would have been as destructive as it was. You know these were one-off very destructive points and I don't know if you can really make any area hard enough for a wildfire arson fire in a 60 mile an hour wind event. It's just too catastrophic. I mean those things are sort of apocalyptic, right? We're not talking about trying to protect your property against that. Most likely unrealistic. No, I totally agree with that. And that was a certain amount of mitigating circumstances for that fire.

The Paradise Fire, however, with those chimney valleys that should have been cleared out regularly didn't happen. And so- Yeah, that was a disaster waiting to happen. People that I know that lived there said that for years. Sure. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, there's both those scenarios,

but the point of the matter is that if we've gotten away from these things that naturally happen, even with logging, logging would create large swaths, people found it unappealing, but those large swaths actually help stop and mitigate the spread of fire. Firebreaks, yeah.

Yeah, so I mean, granted it was unsightly, but it's a resource that we managed and it would regrow and then you go to another segment. And so those things created natural. Once you take those components out, we have to do something to mitigate or create those firebreaks or to at least slow down the fire. And so I looked at that and I said,

well, you know, defensible space is a place to start, but why isn't all of the goals that all these agencies have, the state, the counties, the cities have to mitigate or get this stuff done. And year after year after year, you drive by and it's just not getting done. And they have all these programs, they get grants, those grants go to the agencies,

and they put together a program, and it stops there. There's no money that filters into the hands of the community. It simply stops at education. And I said, we've got to fill that gap. We have to be able to work with the agencies. The fire department does a defensible space report. That person or individual is bringing that to us as the foundation and we would look at that, look at their capabilities and say, okay, we're going to bring our crews out there and the foundation will take on the

burden, the financial burden and the expertise of cleaning that area up off of that Defensible Space Report and being able to functionally implement everything that needs to be done for that. Now you're talking about then being more boots on the ground, hands on the tree, hands on the brush kind of foundation is what I'm hearing. That's correct. That's correct. Yeah. We want to actually have action put to the plans that everybody has. Everybody has all these great programs and plans, but how was it getting implemented? That's where we're trying to fill the gap. So we're working to build coalitions with

the colleges and their fire science programs to offer field experience as well as credits for like a lab work, to work within the foundation to get manpower. State work for low agencies to be able to work with them sort of like a Kelly Services where they come out work for us and the state implements the payment but they get the experience working towards their fire cert. Yeah and then also bringing in other opportunities to work with training that next level of firefighters. Am I to

understand Richard that what the Oregon Defensible Space Foundation, this foundation that you just formed, is about then is leveraging state and maybe even federal grants on helping out these areas, these very dangerous wildfire or you know big big brush fire prone areas, and leveraging that into you actually do the work, not just passing on grant stream. Am I right about that? Is that kind of the vision or the model that you're looking at here? You actually do the work? That's correct, yeah. And a lot of the grants out there are for, if you look at them, are for

fire stations. So we don't even qualify. And so again, now we're in this position of we have to get donations and we have to have private individuals that are interested in this process as well. But everything we're going to be doing is going to be oversight, is going to be produced or done by the local fire district. So the ultimate goal is to take this concept and go from district to district, literally having a management office for the foundation within that district that works with that fire chief or that fire marshal and implementing this through all of those different areas. And so again, we're looking at all the different types

of grants we can qualify for as well as pulling in, private donations, because all of this really protects everyone, every business. If we can mitigate as much as we possibly can, it just gives the firefighters more opportunity to get there before it gets out of control. All right, that makes sense. And with it being a foundation though, is this only donation or also leveraging a government

grant to do this work, to do the Firewise work and actually clearing of properties? Well right now we're out of the grant season, so to speak, if you will. We have to now start that process. And so we're going to be a year away from getting any kind of grants. We're going to do as much of that utilizing of those grants as possible.

But you're not talking about doing theory work or education work. This is like, we're doing brush removal. We're doing this. We're removing trees, we're figuring this. That, it's the real work involved. That's correct. We're implementing as much level of accountability. So we're going to be doing regular videos of each project we do or write-ups on that. Again, we're going to be doing interviews with different, you know, fire industrial areas of Oregon.

You know, the Oregon Logging Association, they do a lot of fire mitigation themselves. We're going to interview that. Bringing awareness of the different organizations out there that we can create a coexistence with as well as utilize each other to help each other and bringing all of those facets together so that we have a more educated public to where they can go to get this boots on the ground done. Now I have a listener who calls herself granny she's written me for years and she has a farm and and she's got a few years on her. I'm just going to use her as an example.

In your model at the Oregon Dispensable Space Foundation, could someone like a granny then make an application with you because she really can't do a lot of this super hard work that you were talking about that naturally creating a defensible space would do. Would she then apply with Oregon Dispensable Space Foundation and then through a lottery or some other criteria could be selected to have you go do some work there in her particular fire prone area? How would you envision this working? I'm trying to imagine it.

Well, we don't want to leave anyone out, you know, obviously, because everybody needs defensible space done. And so there's no lottery system. It simply would be a scheduling situation. And then we ask those people who can financially give something, give to the foundation. Oh, like a sliding scale sort of thing. Correct. Okay. Whatever you can, just to help us offset those costs, right, obviously there's a cost to all of this. We have to purchase equipment,

I'll have all of this available. But with the oversight of the fire departments, we'll be able to work all the way through high fire season, not extreme, but high fire season. And we change our methodology on how we do that defensible space. When you can do burns or control piles of burns, we will do that.

When it shifts in the fire season, we're gonna shift to chippers. And we're gonna chip and bring it and create a duff on the ground that slows fire down. Oh yeah, I get that. I wanted to share with you, and by the way, talk with Richard Waldo, Oregon Defensible Space Foundation. I was talking a few weeks ago how at some

transmitter sites that I maintain as the station engineer up on Gold Hill, Nugget Butte. And I don't know if you're familiar with Nugget Butte. I think you're in the Rogue River area so you're not too far away from that. But for years I've been looking at that mountainous area there above Gold Hill and thinking, oh my gosh, this is a massive fire waiting to just happen just because of all the madrone growing up there and the scrub and the cheatgrass. It was just incredible what's going on up there. And after I think what happened with Pacific Power, Pacific Power ended up doing immense work over the last few months up there, under their lines at least, because they have liability involved

there. And they apparently are using those big masticators that are able to, I think that's what they call them? Yes. That are able to just grab the trees that are, you know, you don't have to cut them all down, but just kind of grinds them down into kind of duff and fluff on the ground. And they did this all underneath 50, 60, 70 feet across around that whole wire area that would be prone to sparking. And is that the kind of work that you're talking about maybe bringing to various areas here in Southern Oregon, especially? Because I think it'd be quite effective. Absolutely, yeah. So we would start with kind of the, obviously to manage the difference between government and private industry is that

government would go ahead and just buy those masticators, spend, you know, 60, 70 thousand dollars to get those. We would have to do it with more responsible aspects and get some of the smaller chippers that you would tow in and chip and do that to start with. The dream would be to have those kind of resources, but we obviously have to build up to that. But yes, that approach would be exactly what we do during that higher fire season. Yeah, that is something because you have all that stuff chipped down to something which is even if it were to catch on fire or have a lightning strike or a spark of some sort,

it would be a low and slow burn at best. Correct. Absolutely. Yeah, unlike if the Madrone just gets hit by lightning and boom, off it goes like gasoline on the hillsides right? All right so what what do people do now or what what's next here they hear about you talking about what you're pushing you just got this rolling you're going to be doing some community meetings do people need to

apply do people reach out for you for funding What are you looking for right now? Right, so we just did a town hall at Fire District 6 out in Weimer. And so that went off very well. We had a record turnout of community. We had over 75 people there, which is pretty big for that district. And so we were very excited about that. So a lot of interest in what we're doing. A lot of people, a lot of questions came from that, which was fantastic. So there's a lot of interest and we're gonna be doing more of these.

Obviously I contacted your show, wanted to be a part of reaching out through this medium. And also because I know that you've spoken, I've listened to your show for a lot of years and you've spoken a lot about fire and especially when talent Phoenix happens, you really did some extensive coverage on that. And so I knew that this would be a topic that you have a lot of knowledge on, but also understand the depth of what we're doing.

Yeah. I appreciate the effort going on here. We don't know how it will be supported or how this plays, but you're working it. I'll give you that. Do you have a website? Anything else that people can go to find out more about this? Yeah, so you can go to our website. It's Oregon Defenseable Space Foundation. It's odsfoundation.com.net and.org.

So I put as much out there so that people can find us easily. And then- Okay, ODS Foundation? Yeah, Oregon Defensible Space Foundation. So it's ODS Foundation spelled out. Okay. And then.com. And so you can go to that website.

We also have a link to our Facebook page there as well. You can find us on Facebook, spelled out, Oregon Defensible Space Foundation to get us there. And we're going to be adding more content and links to that as well for other social medias as we start developing that out as well. But we are ready to take donations there at that site. And so just fill out that paperwork. You can also do comments and contact us and send me an email. As much questions as you might have, we are ready to take in as much as we can to help people understand what we're doing. As a foundation, is it a particular class

like a 501c3c4 or something? How does that work? Yeah, it is a 501c3 so you will get a deduction for your your donation. We wanted to make sure that people had something coming out of this because today's world they want to know where their money is going and if there's a benefit through it we wanted to get as much as sent as possible. All right are you having any additional community meetings? At this particular moment, we are not. I am actively sending out emails and putting out press releases to try to get some of these meetings established, but you can go to our website, keep a track there of the events

that are happening and that are on the schedule. Richard, I'll tell you what, keep me in the room here and we'll let everybody else stay in the room with you here and let us know, okay? I appreciate your time, Bill. Thank you. Richard Waldo, Oregon Defensible Space Foundation, oregondefensiblespace.com, also odsfoundation.com, odsfoundation.org too. I will post all this on KMED.com this morning.

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What's going on? Good morning. Morning. I just wanted to comment on the gentleman that was just on talking about his foundation. That's wonderful. We need more organizations like that. I appreciate the Boots on the Ground actually working to find ways to finance and do the actual work because that's a real

challenge for a lot of people in some rural communities and people who you know you got a few years on you and you know maybe if you're 30 and you have land out there it's one thing but maybe you're you know 70 75 a different story right yep yeah our district 3 has a has a division I guess you'd call it that that does that for people all over our district, basically. I think that, I don't know if they go outside our district, but Ian Casab, Captain Ian Casab is in charge of that.

And for the last couple, two or three years, they've been doing that. And they bring in youth crews during certain times of the year, I guess it's probably vacation time. I'm not 100% knowledgeable about it, but I just want to say Fire District 3 is something that's doing that too to make it take care of defensible space and doing an excellent job of it. Lauren, and I appreciate you sharing this story, okay? Really do. And by the way, are you going to call back for the Diner 62 quiz in a little bit? You better believe I am. You never miss it. I know. Come on, Greg. All right. Poor Lauren. He's always hungry. He's walking around town,

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And I own a couple of rental properties and it's plainly obvious that the state just wants to seize private property for their own purposes. And it all ties together, whether it's the SNAP payments or the housing subsidies or the transportation thing. It's just more and more creep of government control. And that lady who called in talked about that Medford City planning meeting that really wasn't a meeting. The lady she was talking to, the rep, and she wondered why people weren't interested in walking downtown. Did she not hear that there was a shooting in Hawthorne Park last week? And does she not walk through the community and talk to

the shop owners? I suggest she goes and talks to Cliff, who owns Voodoo Martini, to ask him what he's been dealing with over the last 20 years. And I'll just read one thing before I jump away. In the voters pamphlet, this is indicative of the whole big picture. The Rogue Valley Transportation District

Director, Position 5, Katrina Ehrenman Newton. Oh hang on just a second, if you don't mind, if you don't mind, I'm going to open, I'm going to get out my voters pamphlet because yeah, the Rogue Valley Transportation District group, of course, many of them, and along with the school districts. Boy, there are some interesting ways of thinking. So go ahead and which one are you talking about? Katrina, it's a cabal. I mean an occupational background, librarian, Southern Oregon University background, library outreach coordinator. I'll just read one paragraph and I'll let you go. I'm one of the one in ten Americans who never or rarely drive a car. I depend on public transportation

for everything from work to church to family outings with my husband and young daughter. She looks young and fit and all, you know, good for her. Don't ask me to pay for it, Katrina. You know, good for her. Don't ask me to pay for it, Katrina. Do your own thing. And that's just it, though. And I don't believe that the fare box actually pays more than 5%. Maybe, if we're lucky, 5% of RVTD's budget isn't most of it taxpayer funding. I believe so. And you know what? Tear out those screens that we can't see that there's only like two or three people. Look at those big buses floating around. Yeah, the problem with Katrina Erman Newton on there, and she looks like a very nice woman. I'm not trying to make this personal.

And this is why I don't want bus riders on the RVTD board, just like I don't want firefighters on on the on the RVTD board just like I don't want firefighters on the Fire District 5 board. The whole idea is to have a sober steady hand. I wouldn't want teachers on the school board for that reason. There need there needs to be some separation I I think, from this, so that there's some civilian control of these agencies with vast amounts of money and a lot of political clout to push the agenda, so to speak, here. And frankly, they need to find ways to be able to do things more efficiently. And something tells me that someone who is a big user of the service doesn't give a crap about the

efficiency of the service. That's kind of where I come from on this. Just like if you're a fire laddie or lassie and you get on a fire board, are you really going to be about trying to make it smaller and leaner? I doubt it. Right? And I don't mean to be mean or to profile everyone but it reminds me of a Jay Leno joke. He said, the bus system is just a bad neighborhood on wheels. Yeah, and it is necessary, please. I don't want to say that we don't need public transportation because it is necessary. But the thing is, it's almost as if what RBTD and every other transit district has turned into is not about getting people from point A to point B cheaply and inexpensively and conveniently.

It's about getting people from point A to point B on our particular transportation mode. And that's it. No other way of looking outside the box of half million dollar hybrid electric or electric buses, et cetera, et cetera, and very big buses with very few people in them. God bless them. Yeah, when they eliminate all the parking spaces and you were talking to Eric Peters about the harassment of people with cars in general. I mean, it's just the only way you can get around.

It just gives them more leverage over the population. Indeed. Appreciate the call, Todd. 770-5633. Good conversation. And I like the conversation, yea or nay. Let me go to the next line. Hi, good morning.

This is Bill. Who's this? I have two points to bring up. Oh, yeah morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Two points to bring up. Oh yeah, what's that Gene? Okay, the buses, have you ever seen people sitting at a bus stop, especially in the rain, and they could sit there for quite some time waiting for the bus to show up? Yes. And also, that guy with the fire protection service, too bad he doesn't have a phone number for people that do not want a spy machine like a computer. Well, that's the reality of where things are going.

Jean, you better get a spy machine if you want to be hooked up, okay? Hey, the Trump administration needs to monitor you. Same with the Kodak administration. Everybody needs to monitor you. Same with the Kotech administration. Everybody needs to know you. They need to know. They need to know everything you do because they hack in whenever they feel like it. I'm just teasing you though. Please understand.

All right. What was the second point you wanted to make though, Jean? That not everybody has a computer or wants one. Yeah. Well, I will tell you what I'll do. Well, I guess I couldn't have you send me an email because you don't have a computer. All right, what do we do here? I'll tell you what, I will give you, well, I'll tell you what, I'll talk to the gentleman from the foundation and have him get in touch with you. How about that? Okay. Would that be all right? Yeah, but he's gonna have to leave a message or a text because I don't answer phone calls or phone numbers. Man, you are tough to

get a hold of me. You know, if I were Publishers Clearinghouse and I tried to try to get in touch with you, you wouldn't answer the phone, would you? Well, with Publishers Clearingaringhouse I won't buy a bunch of magazines that I don't want in order to even be considered. Oh got it all right I'll be in touch with you Jean you take care. By the way I forgot though Publishers Clearinghouse didn't it hey Steve didn't it go bankrupt a couple weeks ago? I think they declared bankruptcy. Yeah, no more. No more. Probably bankrupted by the by the lotteries. I don't know. It's 844. Tell you what, let's have a little fun and it's going to be about some American history. It's going to be a Diner 62 real American quiz and all you have to do is just answer

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Boy, there was a lot of hype back then. I remember that as a kid. It's launched into orbit around the Earth. 11 days later, U.S. astronauts Charles Conrad, Joseph Kerwin, Paul Weitz made a rendezvous. They fixed a jammed solar panel and conducted all sorts of scientific experiments during their 28th stay. Now Skylab, John, happened two years after the Soviet Union launched Salyut, the world's first space station into orbit.

However, unlike Salyut, which was plag first space station in orbit. However, unlike Salyut, which was plagued with problems, the American space station was a great success. Now then, carried the most varied assortments of experimental equipment, crews of Skylab spent more than 700 hours observing the Sun, and and then they probably saw the other side of the earth, which is flat, you know, it's a flat earth, I get those kind of emails all the time here, John. They got to see the other side of the Earth, which is flat, you know, it's a flat Earth. I get those kind of emails all the time here, John. They got to see the other side of the Earth, but they didn't give us pictures of that. Sorry. OK.

But here is the deal. How long was Skylab actually in orbit? Was it A, six years? Was it B, nine years? C, 12 years? D, 15 years? Or was it E, 18 years? It's one of those. I remember when it came down, I forget exactly when though, maybe you'll guess, okay? Excuse me, what was the shortest one? Shortest one with 6 years, then it was 9 years, 12, 15 or 18. I'm going to go with 6 years. You're going to go with six years? You think it was tiny, huh? Mm hmm.

Yeah. You're a winner! You know, this is the fourth quiz in a row. The first person in God. And Brian Coppage is going to be so upset with you, John. I'm sorry. But anyway, while Skylab safely housed three separate three man crews for extended periods and exceeded the pre-mission plans.

Five years after what turned out to be the last Skylab mission, the orbit began to deteriorate faster and faster. They said it was due to high sunspot activity. And then July 11, 1979, parts of the space station that didn't burn up came crashing down on Australia into the Indian Ocean. No one hurt. I remember that there were people getting, do you remember those people that were selling the Skylab hard hats, you know, the yellow

helmets, you know, like safety helmets? I don't remember that. It's kind of like another pet rock kind of thing. I'll tell you what, John, we're going to send you over to Niner 62 if nothing else, all right? Great. All right. Hang on. So that's the story. We'll have another one of these. Brian's going to come up with a really, really tough question on Friday. I on. So that's the story. We'll have another one of these. Brian's going to come up with a really, really tough question on Friday. I know that. He's going to be so bummed when I tell him, yep, first person got it. Got it, Brian, but at least John's happy. This is the Bill Meyer Show.

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You'll always find me hanging around there. It's true, even the road gardener faces challenges. What's a good thing? What isn't a good thing? It can be hard to distinguish. My frustration this year in my gardening was with the birds. That's why I'm talking about birds. All the stuff that they did,

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they were going out and uh... and ordering all the good stuff for keeping all the good booze for themselves of the former executive director this on opi b and ordering all the good stuff or keeping all the good booze for themselves. The former executive director, this on OPB, a former executive director of the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission had agreed to a $500 fine for this, you know, for scamming the folks.

But the ethics commissioner said the negotiated fine is not stiff enough. So maybe he's gonna need a stiffer drink here. So $500 civic penalty for using his position to get the highly sought bottle of Pappy Van Winkle. How good is that stuff? How good must that stuff be that an OLCC commissioner loses his job over getting the, you know, just getting this stuff in and having it for his friends. Is it that good? Is the bourbon that good? Is it just kind of like hype over reality? Has anyone ever had Pappy Van Winkle? I'm just like

wondering, is it the kind of bourbon that makes men and women lose their ethics? I don't know, could be. Must be that good. Let me go to the phone. Hi, good morning. Who is this? Welcome. Morning, this is Terry. I've got a question about the people running for the school board. Yeah. They send you a... somebody sent me a card with the street positions on it, but it doesn't say anything if they're Republican or Democrat. Well, they're not partisan elections, so they're not going to do that.

Now, if you go to the Jackson County Republican Party website and also the Josephine County Republican Party website, they will tell you who the Republicans are in the race. So you don't have any idea who these people are then? Most of the... well, you know, there's like 40 in there, okay? Some of them that I know, you know, some of them that I know of more than anything else, but you have to do a little on a lot of these things here. First off, I would say here, how many of them talk about being endorsed by the Medford, or you talk about a Medford 549C or a different district? Okay.

All right, Medford 549C, are they endorsed by the Medford Education Association? I don't know. Well, you gotta read it. Yeah, I would check that sort of thing. Look for the code words that would tell you whether or not, if they're endorsed by Stanford Children, left-wing. If they're endorsed by the Medford Education Association, usually but not always, left-wing

kind of deal. In fact, most of your candidates are going to be left-wing. So it's up to you to try to figure out maybe who an occasional Republican is. I know the people who are running for Medford 549C, let's see, some I think, Taryn Saunders is a Republican from what I understand. And let's see, Kurt Ankerberg is also one.

Logan Vaughn is also another one. And there may be a couple more but yeah sometimes you got to do a little work on this stuff you know. Angela Svorsky and Wright you don't know them. I'm a little suspicious of this one I know not a Republican from what I understand. Okay. Yeah yeah we have to do a little bit of work on this and and also get more people running for these two. Okay. Appreciate the call. Let me grab another one here. Got 20 seconds left. Can you make a good point? Morning. Bill. Yes. Jerry. Hi Jerry. Never had the pappy but here's the secret. I'm reading

a book right now regarding the whole issue and the story. The reason it's different is because they used wheat grown in Kentucky. Wheat? Not northern grains like rye. Really? And that's why the pappy is supposedly so darn good, right? Well, there's probably other things, but that's one of the things I see. I'm just wondering what kind of booze would be so powerful as to make strong men and women go wrong? You know, I just wonder. Pappyland is the book. Pappyland.

Pappyland. I appreciate the call, Jerry the Bull. All righty. You're welcome, Bill. Be well. 859 and Change. I'll tell you what. I'm going to take a break, have a little bit of lunch, dream of a Diner 62 quiz, let's say dinner for myself on Friday morning, but tomorrow, Conspir conspiracy theory Thursday. Oh boy be scared be very scared. The email bill to Bill Meyers show.com. Have a great day see you tomorrow. Southern Oregon's place to talk KMED and KMED HD one eagle point Medford a bi-coastal media station. It's nine o'clock at KMED. Breaking news this hour from Town Hall.com. I'm John Scott. President Trump the world.