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He would like to be that. the number one top dog bear hello ed welcome back to the show good having you on good morning bill great to be with you all right and ed i have to ask you um are you going to be coming back in town anytime soon over the next few days or what happened i know you're in last weekend weren't you yeah we were down in medford last weekend we went to grants pass uh on the same day i don't know if we're going to be able to make it down there before election day we've got a pretty full agenda. Oh, okay. Just all over the state. I was in Ontario earlier this week. We're hitting it hard.

I had a friend who dropped me a note about it and rumored that they asked Petty and Metfer, they asked really weird questions. What happened with that? Is it true? Did they ask weird questions at the candidates forum? I was curious. You know, they asked questions that were a bit different. If I was going to pick the top three questions to ask, I wouldn't have asked those. But yeah, they asked us about, let's see, asked us about chem trails, asked us if we were. Yeah, yeah, they asked all the candidates there. What would they do about chem trails, right? Okay. That was one of the questions, yep. All right. And asked, yeah. And then asked us about whether we were born again Christians. And that was

interesting. Okay. You know, it's like the state is burning down. And those are the questions that get asked. They get asked at a candidates for them. All right. Come on, Republican Party. Who's choosing those questions? Get that in line. I know.

Well, maybe it was just the people who were there because I have a feeling if you were going to poll the greater Republican electorate on what they would talk about. Probably Kemp Trails is not number one. I mean, yeah, you can talk about it if you want, I suppose. But it is conspiracy theory Thursday. And the question would be, though, is how do you stop the state? from bleeding and burning, I guess, is essentially what I would be asking, because that's essentially

where we are. It's bleeding businesses, and it's burning forests. So, you know, what would you say to people like that? I think those are more important questions, and how do you keep Travis Borsmas from Dutch pros from stop wanting to leave the state? I mean, there's a lot to unpack here. And what would you, as governor do? You're exactly right. And that is what my campaign is about. I've spent my career in engineering and business. And I think now more than ever we need a business executive in that governor's position. And, you know, for me, it's a regulatory environment, it's permitting, it's a tax structure that is really driving businesses out. And it's driving good paying jobs out of this state. That's the biggest deal. So I'm focused on changing

that environment, actually reducing taxes, and putting more money, more of your money back in your pocket. And that's eliminating the hidden sales tax, which is the corporate activities tax, eliminating the death tax. We have people leaving the state simply because of our egregious death tax. Well, you have more than a million bucks, maybe just a small business and a home, and then all of a sudden you're having a hand a third of it to the state of Oregon, right? And then also freezing property taxes for senior citizens.

And that's just the beginning. I'm talking to businesses large and small. I met with Intel, Intel last week. And a few weeks ago, I met with Pavati boats down in White City. You know, they're complaining about some of the same things. So business is large and small. And, you know, Intel does not, their leadership does not have any real allegiances to Oregon, they're going to make sound financial decisions on where they grow and expand. And we have

to be attractive to business. We have to realize that we're in a competitive environment. And Pabadi Boats has already decided that part of their business, they're going to move to Texas. You know, they couldn't get the time of day from Governor Kotech, but they had an audience with Greg Abbott in Texas. And that's simply unacceptable. I guarantee as your next governor, the first governor, a business owner talks to will not be the governor of Texas. It's going to be the governor of Oregon. We're going to turn this thing around.

How much of your business plan, ad, can be done via executive order? Because you've got to figure that you would most likely have a hostile legislature to still deal with. Fair enough? We will have a legislature that hopefully is not in a super majority anymore, but I'm figuring it will be in a majority. Yeah. So there are things we can do via executive order. There's, and I'm looking at reversing some egregious executive orders that are driving up costs and really doing nothing for the climate. One is the climate protection plan.

That will be repealed. Would that include the climate-friendly, equitable community executive orders that I think Governor Brown put into place? Yes, yes. I'm looking at so many of these executive orders that are driving up our costs of energy and many other things. And, you know, let's get real. They're not doing anything to help the climate, but they're making life in Oregon more and more unaffordable. And we can reverse those. So those executive orders can go away on day one.

The other thing I'll be prepared to do, after the primary, I'll be identifying leadership in every one of these agencies, every single one of these agencies. And to focus them back on their core mission, I haven't talked to anybody who thinks the Department of Education is on core mission or the DEQ. Well, you would end up being the superintendent. Isn't that right? Yes. Yeah.

In Oregon, the governor is the superintendent of public education. But when we align these agencies back on their core mission, we will be saving money. and we'll be able to get some things done again in this state. And so, but with new leadership becomes rulemaking authority. And a lot of the pain points we have as citizens here are in rule. So even if I don't have a legislator, a legislature that's willing to go along with our agenda, we can change things in rule. And Bill, here's the other thing that if,

if the legislature just refuses to go along with my agenda, which frankly be the people's agenda, this will be an earthquake to have the first Republican governor in 40 years. That comes with a mandate in and of itself. And if they're unwilling to execute that agenda, then I have no problem being the first sitting governor to run petitions and bring measures directly to the people and bypass the legislature. That's a different way of looking at it. If you can't get it through the legislator, get it through the people. Okay. When you have a gerrymandered legislature, which we do.

You know, which we do. We have to have that as an option. I don't want to do it that way, but it's an option. And when I tell that to folks, they love it. They love it because they're frustrated. They see a governor that is not acting in the best interests of the people of Oregon, and she doesn't care. The governor doesn't care that she's passing legislation that most Oregonians don't like.

She's just hoping you're not paying attention. And I think with the referendum we showed that people are paying attention, and they're not going to take it anymore. And that is how we're going to take back Oregon. Ed, you can't get across the – now let's assume that you win the nomination. Okay, you get the nomination. How do you handle or how do you create enough of dissatisfaction within the electorate that you get some knowledge? navs and some Democrats to even cross over on the aisle because I was I was reading an article the other day in the Oregonian maybe you read that one too in which they're interviewing all these

people in Portland and they're admitting yeah the taxes are high oh man they're screwing us yeah Tina Kotech we don't like Tina Kotech and we don't like we think she's doing a bad job yada yada yada yeah 70% really unhappy and then they ask well would you vote for something one different Oh, no, no, no, I'm going to vote for Tina Kotech. I'm thinking to my stuff. Ed, are you just banging your head against the wall, I guess, is what I'm asking this morning. Well, there are definitely a chunk of voters that will go down with the ship. They are not going to change.

But I was up in Portland yesterday. I was talking to the East Portland Chamber of Commerce. Had a great discussion with them. My wife and I went to breakfast. He happened to be sitting behind a couple men. who were clearly moderate Democrats, and they were just bemoaning, oh, boy, it's going to be, it's going to be Kotech and Drazen again. Oh, geez. You know, and I leaned over and said, no, it's not. It's going to be Kotech and deal. And you get a choice. And they were shocked

and I was there and overheard it, and I had a chance to introduce myself. But they were moderate Democrats who are desperately looking for somebody that they can get behind. And, they are willing to vote for a Republican for the first time if it's the right the right Republic well I hope you're right you know I hope you're right I hope you're right about that I mean I've never seen evidence that that would happen but you know hey maybe you know once in a blue moon that it'll get bad enough because that kind of has been the overall Republican Party strategy in the state of Oregon well well let it get bad enough wait well you can't do much about it so it gets bad enough then people will

automatically gravitate well they didn't do that with with Christine Drazen okay They didn't do that last time, and that was with a third party candidate or, you know, Betsy Johnson in there to peel a few away. I'm going to have to talk with their people tomorrow because I don't know what has changed. What I wanted to ask you, though, Ed, is that I've been really concerned that there's been very little fight. These have been pillow fights, these debates you guys have been having. And it's been all about, you know, it's like a voters forum. Could have been put on by the League of Women's Voters, that kind of situation. And say, why do you think?

what do you think? What do you think? And it's like nobody calls out anybody. It's like Christine Drazen has a voting record. I'm surprised you don't call her out on some of that stuff. What is going on? What makes you different, Ed? Yeah, well, a number of things. And on the door tester debate, I did bring out the fact that we had completely different takes on the Motor Center. I opposed the Motor Center funding the way it was done. That's backwards. You don't, you don't commit the taxpayers to a huge bill without knowing what the rest of the deal is. And I oppose that, and Christine supported that bill. And we do have quite a few differences on our voting record. You know, I think the biggest deal

for me is I'm a business guy and an engineer. I have solved complex problems for a living my entire career and I get big things done. I get results. And I showed that to the Oregon people with the referendum. I led that volunteer effort. I rallied a lot of people across the state. And we got something done that people said was impossible. People said was impossible. And, you know, Christine did not want to be part of that effort because I think she also agreed that it was not possible. and I saw it completely otherwise because I knew where the Oregon people were at, and it's worth fighting for. And that's where I'm coming from. I'm a fighter.

I'm not going to back down from this stuff. I'm going to keep going as governor to make sure that the people are represented, and I'm going to push back hard against the establishment. Against an establishment that is resistant to change, we know it. And you need more than ever a fighter that's going to be in there. and that's demonstrated they can get big things done. And that's what I'm bringing. Ed, in my opinion, one of the biggest challenges you're going to face here has to do with the educational system, not even talking about the business situation.

Essentially, it's all hands-on-deck in the educational world. You have a progressive union control of the educational process. ODE doesn't seem to really be interested in much. I mean, we hear this talk about the science of reading and the science of learning, and the science of learning, but they always tend to go with fads and fads and fads. What would you do as the state superintendent to rein this in? Because they're all going to be against you. You do know that.

Well, the union leadership will be against me. I don't think the union membership will be. There are a lot of teachers that are very frustrated, and they're pulling out from paying their dues because they don't feel the teachers' unions representing them. And they're not. I brought legislation, I pointed this out in the last debate. I brought legislation to allow teachers to have some control in their own classrooms, to discipline their classrooms. I'm tired of talking to teachers who feel threatened by their own students, who are in tears with scratches and scars on their arms because of bad behavior. And they can't do anything about it. I brought legislation to do that.

The teachers' union, I talked to them, they said, this is great. This is the single, biggest issue we have in the classroom. And I said, great, will you support it? And they said no. Why? Can't support it. Why not? Because they had other fish to fry in the building. And they were unwilling to go to battle for their own teachers, for their own teachers. That is not a union leadership that I want. So I have no problem taking those guys on and working with the teachers.

And we're losing good features in this system. They want to get back to the basics. They're tired of the state telling them what they need to be teaching. A lot of, a lot of stuff is unrelated to the core curriculum and the basics of a good education. And if you can't get the basics right, it doesn't matter. You have a teacher's union leadership. I was reading about it, they're, they're struggling financially right now because teachers are, are not paying their dues like they were. And they're struggling. And their focus, I was reading, their concern was how do we start educating kids about Palestine? I'm thinking, what?

How about teaching kids how to read first? How to do math. Why don't we focus on those things? The teachers' union leadership is completely out of touch, in my opinion, with what's going on on the ground for most teachers. All right. Ed, deal with me this morning. I'm going to work hard to get that fixed.

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Dave, go ahead and make a good case. Let's hear it. Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning. Look, I'm a long time Oregon Republican, which is, kind of a lonely business sometimes. But I don't mind saying I voted for you. Okay, I did.

Hey, thank you. But I've become incredibly pragmatic about gubernatorial elections and Republicans over the years. And so, look, the fairly weak Republican Party in the state, you've got mail-in voting, okay, which I'm sorry, that's going to favor Kina Kotech. Okay, and you've got, she's going to have pretty much an Olympic between the National Democratic Party, between the unions, the unions and the radical, environmental groups control this state. She's going to have unlimited money. So I don't want to be negative, but how are you going to win?

I've seen a lot of really good Republicans with a lot of good ideas over the years, but it, you know, I want to know, and I know it's not just money, but money's a big part of it. How are you going to win? Yeah, well, money's not everything, but it's not nothing, right? Is that kind of it? Right. All right. Yeah, what do you say there, Ed?

Well, money is going to come in. There will be money supporting our campaign big time after this. And I'll tell you quickly what our path to victory is. We are in a position, and I'm. We have a plan to rally the voters that have been sitting out of this election every cycle. That's over 100,000 Republicans and about 100,000 non-affiliated voters. We've got a grassroots machine that's on fire, and we're going to be reaching out to those voters to get them to vote. Despite the election integrity issues we have, and we have some, and we're going to fix them when I'm governor.

but we can still win given that. All right. Francine, you're double dipping, but I'll give you a bite with Ed Deal. Go ahead. Your apples on. Thank you. All right. Hello, Ed.

So my question is, considering the two so-called debates that the Republican candidates had were... They were more like forums, weren't they? Well, it was like everybody was sitting having a tea party going, well, you know, I think this. Well, you know, I think that. It just didn't do anything. Okay. if you were to get the nomination, how fiercely could you fight against Tina Kotech? Because it's going to take some fierce fighting, and you know that.

I know that, and that's why I'm doing this. I will remind voters every day between now an election what Tina Kotech did with that referendum and how she rammed it down our throats, and she knew it was unpopular, and she did it anyway because in her callous view, it didn't matter what the people thought. I look forward to a debate like that. All right, well, I hope you're right about that. The other thing I wanted to ask you is, speaking of the referendums, how's it going on the tax clawback? Other people are asking me about that.

Do you know you've been part of this, too? Yeah, I have been very focused on my campaign and other folks are really taking charge of that. I think that it's going good. I don't have a full signature count yet on those. But at every event that I'm at, we have those petitions out. And I think everybody's signing them at every event that I've had. Yeah, but I think it's going well. But I don't have a count.

The turnout is not as strong as it was last go-round because I don't think, you know, the press hasn't been talking about it like they did last time. I also don't think it's as personal with many people. It's not as personal. It's not as personal, and it's little, it's harder to explain than a gas tax. So that's challenging, too. But, you know, the death tax is pretty personal. People don't like that death tax.

And that's also one of the ballots, one of the petitions that we're bringing is to eliminate Oregon's egregious death tax. I hope you're right. I hope that works. The question I had for you is, who is sending out the nasty smearing texas messages about you? Do you know? We do not know. Those things, they're egregious, and we think it's illegal because there's no disclaimer on the graphics. You don't have to have a disclaimer on a text, which I think is a problem in Oregon law.

Well, I just like to know who it is and who's paying for it. That's what I like to know. We do not know for sure. We do not know for sure. I do know for a fact that the Drazen campaign knew about them in advance. So I do know that. I just don't know, you know, it's one thing to be aware of it. It's another thing to be funding it and guiding it.

Okay. I don't know that. Any polling? I'm just curious if there's any new fresh polling. There's some fresh polling announced this morning on KSLM radio, Jeff Kroft. know, Jeff. And I just, I got heads up on it about five minutes before they went on, but predict Oregon has a poll. It is a dead heat. It is a dead heat built between me and Dresden. Really? It's within the margin of error. Dudley is well down. Yeah, because before,

the last polling of a few weeks ago, it was you, it was Dresden, and then you and Dudley kind of splitting the difference there, really. Well, here's the way to look at these polls. you believe polls to begin with. I look at trends. And I looked at the trends over time of these polls, and it was wildly in our favor. Every poll that came by showed, especially the last two, showed a rapid closure in the spread between me and Christine Drazen, and it showed Dudley shedding votes. And this last poll had Drazen and deal within the margin of error. It was a scientific poll about 650 people surveyed. Who paid for it? Do you know? Of those, about half of them had already voted.

Oh, okay. Basically a tie. And the other half that had not voted, it was slightly in Grayson's favor, but still within the margin of error. All right. So I look at trends. The trends. So the trend could be your friend this time around, right? The trend could be my friend. All right. If people turn out to vote and vote for Ed. We got this, and a team deal will be your next governor. All right. Eddeal.com.

Find out more about that. Ed. We'll be in touch, and best of luck on what happens on Monday night, and maybe we'll talk to you on Wednesday morning with some really good news. We'll see what happens, okay? Hey, you bet. Thanks, Bill. All right, thank you.

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And, of course, his latest one. And I spoke with him a few weeks ago about this. And it's even more important right now, given that the federal government just released a whole big bunch of UFO files, UAP files. But it's catastrophic disclosure. Kent, great to have you back on. Morning, sir. Thanks for having me, Bill. All right.

Well, I told you I was going to buy a copy of the book. I did buy a copy of the book, and I have really enjoyed it. I'm about two-thirds of it through it right now. What I appreciated by your tone on this is that you are not what I would call the true believer. You're looking at evidence more than being a true believer. Would that be a fair assessment of the way you wrote this book, wrote that book? Yeah, and you know, it's kind of funny because I make a lot of interviewers mad because they'll go, do you believe? And I say to myself, well, I haven't seen anything.

So it's hard for me to be a believer. But with my training as an attorney and as a teacher of science, I demand evidence. And so what is interesting to me is when you ask questions and the answers that you get back are full of garbage. And that makes you suspect you're not getting the truth. or you know you're not getting the truth, but you still may not know what it is. What are your thoughts about the evidence or the files? I don't know it's evidence, but the files released. I haven't had a chance to go through them, but I would figure that this is right in your wheelhouse,

and you've probably been going through some of it. Could you kind of give us an overview of what you think so far? Yeah, and so, you know, while I finished, while my book Catastrophic Disclosure was published, in November, I continue to write books dealing with Congress, dealing with transparency. So I'm really tied into what's going on. And one of the things that was most interesting in the most recent release was there was a letter from the head of Air Force Intelligence to the chief of staff of the Air Force from 1947 talking about these craft. And I'm reading this document from 79 years ago, and the things that they are describing there are exactly where we are right now.

These craft are seen in the sky. They have these performance characteristics. We don't know what they are. There are lots of theories. But I'm thinking to myself, 1947, and the Air Force has seen these things. As an attorney, I'm always looking for the best evidence. And that is usually before the proverbial, you know, crud hits the fan. And I'm thinking to myself, why is it that I'm reading this document from nearly 80 years ago and it is describing what is released in the videos perfectly?

And why hasn't our discussion moved substantially? forward in 79 years. Is there a possibility that the discussion has been moving forward since 1947, but that it's compartmentalized, and what we, the sheep, will get to see, is a highly sanitized or a dumb-down version of it. Could that be what we're dealing with? Well, that's a great point, and that's exactly what is meant by the phrase catastrophic disclosure, which is what got me started writing this book, because when the hearings, the UFO hearings

in 2023 came out with David Grush, Ryan Graves, and David Fravor, I gave a call to my good friend Michael Mazzola, who's probably one of the world's leading documentary filmmakers on UFOs, and I said, what's going on here? And he says, okay, here's what's happening behind the scenes? there's a group in the deep state who wants controlled disclosure, meaning that they want just a sanitized version to come out. And there's another group who wants full disclosure. Now, the first group fears that full disclosure will result in what they call catastrophic disclosure, meaning that it would destabilize,

religion and economies. And, you know, specifically the reason it would destabilize economies is, let's just take what David Fravor saw off the coast of San Diego in 2003. He saw Tick-Tac craft, which would go from 80,000 feet to a couple feet above the surface of the ocean, within a second or two. The energy required to do that is several times the annual energy output of the United States. So this is a remarkable energy source. Now, the question of how it could destabilize religion, that's a bigger and longer, more complex one. Well, it wasn't there talk that, from what I understand, I was reading reports that the federal government or sources within the federal

government have actually been approaching religious leaders and kind of greasing the skids. Is that true or am I hearing the wrong story? No, it's absolutely true. You know, one of my big sources for the catastrophic disclosure book is Congressman Eric Berluson, and I remain in contact with him because he, along with Luna and Tim Burchett, are leading this fight. And, you know, he sat in on one of those meetings by a Zoom call. And so, yeah, it's a strange thing that's going on.

And, you know, sometimes when you do this for long enough, you ask the question, does anybody really know what's going on? And, you know, you can only report what other people report, but it does seem confirmed that at least some people are approaching religious leaders, convincing them of their sincerity and that there is talk that. This revelation might cause some people to question their faith. One of the more interesting parts of catastrophic disclosure, Kent, was one of the earlier ones in which you were talking about Warner von Braun. And Warner von Braun, of course, the former Nazi who ended up coming over and building a lot of our space program back in the day. And the conversation about Fairchild Industries, the Fairchild Industries, CEO at that time, as a female CEO, forget her name. Yeah, you went through...

Yeah, and you went through this, and I guess she ended up quitting after a while. And there was the voice of God technology that he used to communicate with her into her head when she was giving a speech. And he said, because he was dying of kidney cancer, you were writing about this in the book, could you explain what was going on about this? And this is going back 50 years. Not even the 60 or 70. You know, this is always what I'm looking for is I'm always looking for the human parts of the story,

which convinced me that it's true because, you know, it's so bizarre. People wouldn't think to make that up if they're going to tell a lie. So the story goes that as Warrior von Braun was in the final years of his life, he had kidney cancer. He had hired this woman, Carol Rosden, from Fairchild, to be a spokesperson, and he had her go and give a speech for him in Chicago. And she said, well, you haven't given me any notes. And he goes, don't worry.

You'll know what to say, because I'll tell you what to say. And she's like, how are you going to tell me what to say? And, you know, he's just kind of jokingly saying, like, ah, trust me. And so she gets up there and suddenly in her head is Werner von Braun's voice. And she gives this whole speech, which is basically Werner von Braun's voice. And she gives this whole speech, which is basically Werner von Braun, I guess, from his hospital bed, you know, giving the speech through her. And it's supposed to be through this technology called Voice of God. And, you know, that's kind of like just such a freaking bizarre story.

And so, you know, I kind of got the Warner von Braun story from Carol Rosen. And, you know, she's very public, so her stuff is out there. She didn't, she talked to me privately, but didn't. want an official interview, but she kind of confirmed all that stuff to me. And then I went looking for other sources to tell me whether Werner von Braun, you know, whether these stories were consistent. And lo and behold, you go to Gordo Cooper, the astronaut from the Mercury program, who in his book talks about working with Werner von Braun and Braun telling him about UFOs that were hanging around our early Mercury rocket launches and launches of V2 rockets.

And, you know, just the picture painted of Warner von Braun from various independent sources convinces me that his message that the military industrial complex always looks for an enemy and the final enemy would be the aliens, you know, seems to have some validity. You know, when you get multiple independent sources telling you the same thing, I think you've got to consider the claims. And that was what I found very interesting in that section of the book, because that's what, you know, Bon Braun was insisting that the UFO issue was going to be spun up to scare the sheeple,

essentially is really what this is going to be. This would be the ultimate. You know, you don't have as much of the Muslim problem. Well, I guess you do have a growing Muslim problem. If you're talking about the war on terror, you know, that kind of stuff. But there always has to be an enemy. And they're talking about raising defense costs, $1.5 trillion for the budget there. They're talking about expanding Space Force.

And they're releasing UFO files at the same time. I'm not even saying this is President Trump. Something tells me this is way above President Trump's pay grade, even. Would that be fair to say, you know, what could be going on? And we're just living through Warner von Braun's warning that we're going to be led down this lane for the aliens being enemies. Because it appears the evidence appears that they've been coming here forever, for ages. Yeah, and that's what's really kind of interesting is that, you know, and people need to go no further than the wonderful documentary, the Age of Disclosure by Dan Farah, in which you have, the now Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, saying that there's evidence that it's his belief,

that there's evidence that is kept from the president, and some presidents are read in, and others are not. And so when you get credible people saying stuff like that, you've got to take it seriously. Kent, when it comes to presidents being read in, it looks like Eisenhower was read in, wasn't he, President Eisenhower? Yeah, yeah, that's kind of interesting. You know, I spent a lot of the book interviewing top UFO experts, people like Stephen Greer and constitutional lawyer, Danny Sheehan. And, you know, the story they tell is that Eisenhower basically lost control of the CIA,

but also particularly the UFO program. And, you know, there are wild stories. and, you know, that's why I report them in the book. I give you citations to, hey, here's who's saying this. And, you know, the stuff sounds kind of crazy, but no more crazy than the recent release of UFO files with pictures of UFOs shadowing our Apollo astronauts. I mean, I'm thinking to myself, gee, this has been, you know, talked about claimed for years. Well, it was claimed to be a conspiracy theory, right? If you mentioned, if you brought this up,

you were called a nut job back in the day, if I recall. Yeah. And I'm saying to myself, wait a minute, this is the official government, you know, uh, claim that they saw stuff there that they can't identify. So I guess my question for you, after all this, after all the evidence, pro-con, you know, what types of aliens? Are we looking at? at the little robot genetically modified almond eye guys, you know, are those real people or are those just, you know, robots, remote control type things? I have all sorts of questions. Are we just looking at another government op, in your opinion, given the overwhelming, you know, evidence that is out there pro or con? What do you think?

Well, here's what I kind of always say. And sometimes it makes interviewers happy that I say it. And other times it seems to make them hoppin mad. Okay. What's that? I'm 85% convinced that there are things called aliens, that they're coming here from somewhere, most likely other planets. I think it may take them a whole lot of energy to get here. So they may send things like drones or engineered beings. I kind of think that there's a good argument that the old grays are kind of like.

like the drones, if you will. But I have a 15% healthy skepticism that this may be a huge deep state op that they've been running for a long time. So 85% is about as much as you're going to get me to say, I'm convinced. And that's kind of where I stand. So in a way, in conclusion then, it is true, it is happening, but it's actually being managed by our own people, to some extent. People probably way above our pay grade. This is what I always tell people, because, you know, when you study human nature enough, you come to a couple conclusions, which is there's always a number of people who want to tell the truth. And they're willing to suffer for it.

And I have this general opinion that whatever the truth is, the truth is kind of leaky, and it eventually in some form comes out or not. And what you see, a lot of truth comes out. But then there's also a lot of effort that is made, not get you to consider that. So the worst thing that any human being can do, I think, is to say, I know the absolute truth and everything else is garbage. You know, in a recent conversation I had with Congressman Berluson, he was making this point, and I thought he made it extremely well. He said, look, there are all these factions in the UFO community, and every one of them is dedicated to their version of the truth. His thinking is that the actual truth may not coincide with the beliefs of every single faction.

And the interesting thing is going to be is whether those factions, when those releases happen, if they happen, are going to go, oh, okay, I should adjust my thinking. Or are they just going to say, no, I know the truth and this isn't the truth. What a great way to keep a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves and distracted. Well, you know, one of the things that has been something of a disappointment with catastrophic disclosure is I really felt that I talked to the leading UFO experts in the field, and I felt I was extremely fair in giving them a lot of ink to completely lay out their points of view. because as an attorney, I believe that, you know, the courtroom and our society should be a place where everybody gets to speak at length to lay out what they believe. And I feel like I was very fair to these UFO researchers gave them abundant page count to lay out what they believed was true. But then I'm also saying, like, okay, I just, you know, I, I as a writer kind of say, okay, this is.

isn't proven. I kind of disagree with this point. Have you considered this perspective? And when I went back to those same UFO researchers, you know, who are very credible people, who have great followings, and I said, okay, this book is coming out now. Would you be willing to, you know, go to your people and say, hey, there's a serious effort to get to the bottom of the UFO issue, zero of them would help me out because I didn't, you know, present their version of the truth. And I'm like, I presented your version of the truth in your damn chapter. So, you know, okay, so is this like a secular faith of sorts that you're dealing with? Well, you're going to be the anthropologist describing these faiths. And, you know, because I'm not a

quote believer, you know, I'm an apostate. I understand. Okay. Well, that's exactly why I like your book, though, because you can tell that you're not just a hook, line, and sinker on everything. I think you present things very fairly, and it makes for a very interesting read for that matter, and there are some wild stories in there. Can't, final question. I absolutely say, I don't care if you've been 35 years in the UFO field, and you have done hundreds, if not thousands of cases. I still reserve the right to disagree with your hands.

interpretations of the evidence. And if somebody can't, can't handle that, you know, I'm sorry, I lose a little bit of respect. All right. Fair enough. Kent, I appreciate that. Great book. Great job. And I'm glad we had a chance to kind of do a revisit. So this latest batch of federal files, is it a big deal or not at this point in your take? You know what? I think it's a huge deal. When you look at stuff from 19, 47, and you could literally put that on the front page of the New York Times, and everybody would say, oh, yeah, that's kind of where we are. Like, why haven't we gotten further in 79 years, which makes me suspect we've gotten a lot further?

Yeah, we've gotten a lot further, and we're being managed at this point. And that's just my opinion. It's just the feeling, the impression I'm getting. Kent, thanks so much. We will have you back. Kent Hecken lively, and the end the book is Catastrophic Disclosure. It's available in all the usual. suspects and I'll put that up on my show blog. Thank you, Kent. Appreciate it greatly.

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