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Episode Date: May 15, 2025

05-15-25_THURSDAY_6AM

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I'll read them all, try to answer as many as I can. By the way, there are people who still try to message me through Facebook, and I love Facebook because of the Facebook Live and the ability to do posts, but just to be able to keep things easier for me since I'm a one-horse guy, if you could just email rather than trying to message on Facebook. I don't check Facebook messaging. It's just nothing that I really ever got much into. So if you could just do that, that would be just fine.

Okay, we're heard all over Southern Oregon on 1063 KMED and KMED HD1, 1067 K294AES that's down in the South Jackson, 1059, the translator in Rogue River Grants Pass, and also 993KBXG, which covers Greater Josephine County during the morning show, before it turns back into the jukebox. It's 12 minutes after 6. Speaking of Josephine County, I've had numerous people reaching out to me saying, Bill, we're being disenfranchised. Where is our ballot for the Josephine County Fire District Board? Where is our ballot? Where's the vote on this? And the county is messing with us and getting several things like that and I really wasn't familiar with this particular problem going on. And so

I called up the Josephine County clerk yesterday and I said, Rhiannon, we know what's going on with this. Oh, there's a lawsuit going on. And then she gave me the phone number of a law firm that is involved in this situation. So I ended up talking with a attorney yesterday who was involved in this. And frankly, I was just kind of doing some other things. So didn't write his name down but he is definitely involved in telling me what was happening.

This is a boundary dispute between the Applegate Fire District and the newly created Josephine County Fire District, this one that people were going to be voting on in this next week election. And what happened apparently, and this is to the best of my knowledge, okay, I'm not an attorney, I'm just saying that to the best of my knowledge, this is what ended up happening. The Applegate Fire District ended up expanding and absorbing a number of property owners, several hundred properties that were overlapping with the Josephine County Fire District that had been created too. So there's a boundary dispute which is going on there. And it was kind of weird and they weren't able to hash out the problems before this particular election.

So the Applegate Fire District in its expansion, and by the way, the Applegate says, well, hey, we expanded before Josephine County before the commissioners ended up creating this Josephine County Fire District, okay? So we have the prior right to these people being in the Applegate Fire District. And so this is what's going on. So a lawsuit was filed and there was a court injunction

placed on these people who are, well, it's disputed properties. You know, which fire district are they going to belong to? It'll be hashed out here, I would imagine, in the next few weeks and or months probably, but they weren't able to get it done in time for the election. So someone's going to be in a fire district somewhere, but whether it's Applegate or Josephine County, we don't know at this point. But that's why there were a bunch of people, and I got to tell you, folks were hot, and I was kind of caught flatfoot about it. What do you mean that you're missing a part of your ballot? So that's what happened. If you're missing part of your ballot, that's why there was a court injunction done on this. And there would have been big problems had they sent you a ballot because

then the applicant would say, hey, no, listen, you're ours and they'll get this figured out. Okay. All right. 7705633, 770K MED. Also speaking of Grants Pass Josephine County, boy we have a Christopher Smith 38 year old big charge criminal complaint possessing lots of fentanyl allegedly possessing lots of firearms too. scales, 3D printers, ghost guns, of course, unmarked firearm suppressor, and so he has been put in front of a federal judge and he's been charged. He's going to have some problems. I'm kind of curious if the price of fentanyl in the homelessness encampments here in Medford and Grants Pass has gone down. Maybe that's how we'll find out how effective out how effective are the drug interdiction efforts or you try to get the dirtbags off the street, the dealers off the street.

What's the daily price of fentanyl? You can almost have the fentanyl. We need a fentanyl index here in Southern Oregon, don't you think, to tell us how we're doing? If the price of fentanyl is high that would mean that there's a problem with supply. If the fentanyl price high, that would mean that there's a problem with supply. And if the fentanyl price is low, that would seem to indicate that there are still more people in need of being arrested. I'm only half kidding about that. Anyway, so that's what's happening.

You're going to hear a lot about immigration today and citizenship. There is a lot going on because today the Supreme Court is going to hear arguments in the birthright citizenship case and the Supreme Court will consider arguments on President Trump's executive order ending automatic citizenship for babies born in the US unless they have at least one parent who is a citizen. And the focus of the arguments here will not be changes to the government's long-standing interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

It will be on whether federal courts have the power to block the president's directives around the entire country. This is a big deal. This is huge. This has been the bevel, I should say the boulder in the Trump administration's shoe, that's for sure. Court's decision in this case could therefore reverberate, would go rather far beyond just immigration policy.

But, you know, it's true for the last 100 or so years or 100 or more years here, the 14th Amendment was considered, yeah, you come here, you crawl across the border, you plop a kid and hey, instant citizen. And I'm still not necessarily convinced that that was the original intent of the 14th Amendment. You look back at the way it was about making sure and conferring citizenships on slaves who were brought here, who were brought here against their will.

So we'll see. A lot of eyes on the Supreme Court. Also speaking of immigration, the military border zone. This is reported by the Associated Press, so you know they're going to tend to take a dim view of some of this one. But several hundred immigrants have been charged with unauthorized access to a newly designed militarized zone along the southern U.S. border. This is in New Mexico and western Texas. Remember I was talking about that?

This is that 60 to 70 foot wide portion of the border which has been militarized, essentially turned into a military zone. And the DOJ introducing the DOJ rather, pardon me, introduced this take on it in late April. This 60, 70 foot no man's land, you know, essentially is what it is. And Donald Trump's administration is transferring oversight of a strip of land along the US-Mexico border to the military and authorizing US troops to detain immigrants in the country illegally. There is no record of troops exercising that authority as US Customs and Border Protection conducts arrests, and this designated national defense area is overseen by the US Army Command out of Fort Bliss in El Paso in Texas and a fort in Arizona.

And this national security charges against immigrants who enter through these militarized zones carries a potential sentence of 18 months in prison on top of a possible six month sentence for illegal entry. So that's what they did. This is how they were getting past what Biden was doing, apparently just leaving it wide open. And so they have militarized a certain portion of it. 60, 70 feet wide, you come in that zone, you're not going through a port of entries, you're not showing your papers as you're trying to come in, then you're in trouble.

It's kind of an interesting novel way of going about this. And yet I have to say, as great as it is to see the border crossings down, and they are down substantially, does it give you any pause? Or do you think that it could be like, and this is something that will always, it will play on automatic repeat in my mind, in my mind's eye.

I remember Ron Paul when he was running for president years ago, many, many years ago, was it 12, 13 years ago, 2012, I think was the last time he ran, and Congressman Ron Paul, of course, a very big libertarian Republican leanings. And his concern about the border was that the border was going to be turned into something at some point, not to keep them out, but to keep us in. Does this militarized portion of the border rhyme with that? If someone was trying to, if things were to ever go sideways in the United States and you're going to try to cross that military zone and go to Mexico, what do you think? Is there anything to be concerned about actually militarizing that 60-70 foot portion, just that thin line, that thin Mexican line

down there on the border? And when I first heard about this, I couldn't help it. Boy, you know, this is just kind of reminding me what Ron Paul was talking about years and years ago, in which if we kept going the direction that we were with the all-encompassing state, the United State of America, rather than these United States, that eventually we could see the border being used to keep us in. I think Ron Paul had something to it, or is it just something I'm just remembering from an old presidential campaign? I think that'd be something worth talking about this morning. It's great that it's keeping the

people out, but will it keep us in someday? You think there ever could be a time? This is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. If you ever wanted to explore that, we can do that. Also on the immigration world, like I said, there's a lot of stuff about immigration here. Attorney Generalals from 20 states, including Oregon, of course, because Oregon has to join the other 20 states, they filed a couple of lawsuits the other day saying that the Trump administration has threatened to withhold federal grants unless their states agree to cooperate with immigration enforcement efforts. And I'm thinking to myself, boo hoo hoo. The whole danger with federal grants in the first place is that you have to twist yourself

into a pretzel and dance to the grant. Look at what we were doing under the old grant stream funding coming in here. City of Medford, you go, oh, okay, road diet here, we'll get the ODOT money and da-da-da-da, federal transportation dollars, da-da-da-da-da, and we don't have to pay to repave our downtown. All we have to do is put in bicycle bumways and bollards to crush and screw with everybody and get rid of parking. And that's all we have to do? Well, we had no problem doing that. Well, Dan Rayfield and the other liberal Dems are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, all this money coming in, one third of Oregon's money is coming from Uncle Sugar. And President Trump are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, you know, all this money coming in, you know, one-third of Oregon's money is coming from Uncle Sugar.

And President Trump is saying, well, you're going to have to help us with immigration enforcement. That's a bridge too far, you know, apparently. And that's what they're doing. Multi-state coalition suing FEMA, Department of Homeland Security over federal grants related to disaster relief and flood mitigation efforts, you know, all that kind of stuff. And they're saying that it's exceeding their authority. So once again, immigration, immigration policy is going to be a lot in the news today. Okay. It's reading here that a Tomahawk missile, and I'm sorry, not a Tomahawk missile, but

Navy leaders are concerned about Tomahawk missiles and especially how many they have. Navy leaders looking for brand new types of munitions to ensure they have enough firepower. There was testimony yesterday during the House Appropriations Committee, this is being reported by the Epoch Times, Acting Chief of Naval Operations Admiral James Kilvey acknowledging, recent military operations in the Red Sea have highlighted the strain on our munitions industrial base. In other words, we're running out of missiles and bullets. Officials working to close that gap, current production lines may not be sufficient for that resupply. Precision guided long-range munitions like Tomahawks, long-range anti-ship missiles, the heavyweight torpedo. We have shortages on all of them.

Kilby saying that we have to increase production. He's saying that he's also of the mind that we need to look at other vendors. They may not be able to produce the same exact specifications, but they might be able to produce a missile that's effective which is more effective than no missile. Which is kind of funny you know we're talking about all this military action in the Red Sea. I don't recall any declared wars in the Red Sea, do you? Oh there I am talking about that pesky Constitution. When was the last time we had a declared war? Does Anybody know? Was it World War II?

Now, Congress says, you know, dealing with war and stuff like that, it's just way too much pain in the butt. Just turn it over to the President. I don't know about that. So there we go, Conspiracy Theory Thursday headlines, that is for sure. Here's another one that I thought was interesting and this has to do with my own industry, the broadcast industry. People have been calling me up, friends of mine saying, boy, you know, what happened to all that Doge cuts?

Where are all the rescissions? Where's all the money going back to the Treasury? Where are all the cuts going into Congress saying, hey, we're not going to spend this money? And some people are getting kind of depressed about that. And I don't know if it's something to be depressed about, about, other than just to give it time. Congress has got a lot on its mind trying to do that big, beautiful bill, as it were. But in Radio World, they were talking about the head of the FCC, the Trump appointee,

Brendan Carr. And he says that a Doge review, I want to give you a little inside baseball about what they're doing here, a Doge review has already cut more than half a billion dollars in future contract spending, including $6 million for the rest of 2025, 2020, and $21 million for 2026. So it's like they're looking at about a half billion

in future money saved. But it seems like they're looking at about a half billion in future money saved. But it seems like it was common sense stuff that they were doing here. Brennan Carr saying that the review resulted in efficiencies, eliminating or reducing contracts, and a lot of it in IT, duplicating ITs. They also got rid of magazine and press, So they ended up canceling a lot of magazine and newspaper subscriptions there. Now this is what I didn't know about, unnecessary hog trapping services.

Hog trapping services? The FCC involved in hog trapping services? Well they got rid of it I guess. And tasks more efficiently done in the house they thought. And also software licenses exceeding the number of active users so what they would do is that let's say they were going to have Microsoft 365 for all of their employees. They'd go buy you know 2,000 licenses if they only had even if they only had a thousand employees you you know, that kind of thing.

So anyway, at least at the FCC they're trying to do it a little leaner and meaner. I'll tell you if our license renewals don't go through because there aren't enough people. I'll get back to you on that if that happens. All right. Twenty-seven minutes after 6. 7705633. Anything else on your mind this morning on Conspiracy Theory Thursday? I'm happy to talk with you about it in just a minute.

My first guest this morning is the great Jack Cashel, one of my favorite authors. And we're talking about if there's actually a concerted, this is a Conspiracy Theory Thursday talk about are they actually trying to make boys read less? And we'll have a conversation about this. If you look at a high school reading list here lately, you could be forgiven for thinking that teachers are trying to make the boys read less. We'll tell you why. That's all coming up.

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as far as an actual declaration of war, but go ahead. What were you saying? Well, Congress has passed several rev, what they call resolutions. The resolution is not much different than a declaration of the war on terror. And then they've given the president states of emergency to declare it. And he didn't have to go back to Congress because they've already funded it. It's kind of like never ending war for never ending purpose though, isn't it, when you do it that way? Well except that, you know, Congress doesn't like to use the word declaration anymore. So they use, we are resolved to have a war on terror or a war on drugs or a war on this.

So they've deluded the meaning of what war means. Yeah. But. But of course you never, I guess we're looking now at over a trillion dollars a year in military budget. Everybody else is supposed to get a cut. So I guess we know where priorities are. It doesn't matter what president really, just seems that that's something which continues on an autopilot. Is it just me or just, or something else?

Well, you know, I think we should have a declaration of war proper, but we're never going to get that with the current Congress configuration of the national security state because, you know, they want the president to act and, you know, under the War Powers Act, he can make war for 180 days before he has to even go to Congress. And then you just kind of renew the 180 days, I guess, huh? Well, I don't know if you can renew it without Congress, but they'll just pass a resolution

to continue it and fund it. Okay. All right. Yeah, so I guess so, though. What about my other...I don't know if it's a concern, but every time I hear about that militarized zone on the border now, on one hand, that sounds like, okay, great, you're able to keep the illegal immigrants out.

I think that's a wonderful thing. And at the same time, though, but it is militarized. It's actually a military zone. And I'm always remembering what Ron Paul used to say, that someday the military or the border will be redefined to keep us in rather than keep other people out. Is that an unfounded concern? Well, it should be a concern because, take this, Rosie O'Donnell moved to Ireland and she said some things derogatory against Trump and the Prime Minister of Ireland.

And he threatened to have her arrested for hate speech, you know, because they have that that law there. You don't have freedom of speech in Ireland at all. So and then deporting her back to the United States. Well, you know, that would be a huge punishment for her and unfortunately for us too though if she were to come back. Yeah well check this out you care unless you have a passport and a visa you can't leave this country already. I know that's what I was getting at hmm well I guess we know who owns us. Dave thanks for the call. You see that's a conspiracy theory Thursday

noodling around on the on the edge on the fringes of conspiracy as it were. All right, next conspiracy are the teachers actually trying to make sure that boys don't read books? Read a fascinating story or a statistic that a girl is ten times more likely to pick up and read a book on her own than a boy. And Jack Cashel raised the issue the other day. I was reading him and his sub-stack. Great author, one of my favorite authors. And we'll talk about that here in just a little bit, talk with him. But he said that if you look at a typical high school reading list

concocted by the teachers, the unionized teacher system. It's no wonder that these boys don't read. We'll talk about that more coming up after news. Tom and Talon, one of our early morning rising regulars. We always appreciate you joining in here. Tom, you're one of the way in on the conspiracy theory talk we opened up with. Good morning. Yeah, you know, you're talking about all these different problems and grant stream funding and so forth and how the federal government's controlling state governments and so forth, sometimes good, sometimes bad, so forth. But I think the biggest, you've heard me say this before, but I think the

biggest problem is the fact that the federal government can borrow this endless fountain of money, and it's growing in size, power, and scope of the federal government. Another way to look at the $37 trillion debt is that it's money that's basically been taken out of the pockets of every person in here. We're paying for that debt every time we go to the grocery store and buy gas and so forth. Isn't there a point that it appears that gravy train is coming to an end, which is one of the reasons why there's been an attempt to try to get Doge to get a handle on it, because value of the dollar has been going down as of late. Yeah, it certainly is. We'll never rein in the size, power, and scope of the federal government. People talk about all the Constitution as limits the power of the government.

No, it doesn't. As long as they have an unlimited fountain of fiat money supply, we're never going to have limited constitutional government. And I'm just so upset with the way the government is just interjecting itself in every aspect of our lives. It really needs reining in, but it's not going to happen until this fundamental problem is really addressed, not just all the cover-ups and window dressing they're doing in Congress. It's a big beautiful... Yeah, you've been a big fan of the strike at the root.

Unfortunately, as we well know, nothing's going to happen on the Federal Reserve issue until something has to happen on the Federal Reserve issue. You know how that goes. I mean, things can... Yeah, it got a collapse at first. Yeah, and so what I'm saying, if we had some real brains and people with integrity, they could make it a much softer landing than a total collapse. Yeah, but there is too much, I think there's too much in DC, especially in DC,

invested in the current system. I think that's what's going on. That's where we're at. Well, it's the people's fault too. They keep electing the people that just keep running the bills into the red. So that's where we're at. All right, point well taken. Hey, Tom, thanks for that.

Always appreciate your commentary. Conspiracy Theory Thursday and otherwise. 638, we're going to hold the phones here just a little bit. Jack Cash, we're going color because we know our community. The Bill Meyers Show is on. News Talk 1063 KMED. 24-7, Jack Cashel, one of my favorite authors. And frankly, one of my favorite interviews, really, for this matter, because Jack is one of these guys who...

How do I put this, Jack? You're a truth teller and truth tellers aren't always welcome in this world, but they are necessary. Would that be a fair way of how you have operated your journalism over the years in your books? Bill, that's a very good way to phrase it, but I will say this, being an optimist that I am, I think the age of truth-telling is on the ascendancy. I think it will be our age. Sheets will be told and old truths will be exposed. And we're beginning to see a lot of that right now.

You are serializing a new book. And what is the title of that one? You're serializing it in your Substack, your Jack Cashwell's Substack. It's called The Empire of Lies, the last 30 year war on truth, 1994 to 2024. Of course that raises the question, they were telling the truth before 1994?

No, just that it was about 1994 that lying became pervasive throughout mainstream media. That hadn't been true in the past. Yeah. I was reading one of your substacks here. There was another chapter out of that. You have written books about the death of Ron Brown. I remember the Ron Brown and the Ron Brown chapter, it was interesting to go back and revisit and to come to this conclusion of how much crap has been shoved down the memory hole that Americans aren't supposed to just know or realize of what's been going on, what is really happening in the swamp. And of course, I don't even know how much of this is going to

be rooted out by the Trump administration. It could be so deep and so dark. What are you thinking? Yeah, you're right. It is so deep and so dark that some of it will never be exposed. Former Secretary Ron Brown was killed in a plane crash in Croatia in 1996, and that will probably never be fully exposed. I think what will be exposed is that other plane crash that occurred three months later, and that is a TWA flight 800, because that took place right off the coast of Long Island. And the evidence is still relatively fresh

and utterly, totally tangible and provable. So it's not like a building seven kind of thing. It's a factual, undeniable, inarguable, maybe miscalculation that was covered up for 30 years. And covered up most likely for political gain of the Clintons? Yes. Both of them had the same dynamic driving them, that it was a reelection year. And Clinton was ruthless. They were—it was the most corrupt two years in American political history,

95 and 96. And, you know, fortunately, I've written a lot about that before. So in compiling my new book, it's, you know, many of these stories I know better than anyone. And I get to put it all together now into a larger thesis. Yeah, and for the later, this was the part that I completely forgotten about when it came to Ron Brown's death, you know, the crash, the plane crash in Croatia, was how people were saying,

well, there was this one guy investigating it going, listen, no, he has a bullet hole in the back of his head. There's a bullet hole. The body was in relatively good shape, you know, after the plane crash, but there has a bullet hole in the back of his head. There's a bullet hole The body was in relatively good shape, you know after the plane crash, but there was a bullet hole In fact, it was the size of a 45 caliber bullet And of course the near careers, yeah And then the x-rays of his head from the autopsy just disappeared, right? And then the x-rays of his head from the autopsy just disappeared, right? Right.

And then they had to destroy the photo of the x-ray. Yeah, because there was someone that was taking a picture there, and there was the picture of the x-ray up on the screen that showed the snowy lead deal. So somebody put a cap at the back of Ron Brown's head, the plane crashes, and so you start asking, why did all this happen? We're not supposed to know, right? We're not even supposed to ask. Yeah. Just listen to Jake Tapper come clean years later saying, yeah, of course, gosh, we were all covering up for Biden's decline. In my 30-year war, ends in 2024, with the most pervasive, most ridiculous cover-up of all, and that is the Joe Biden decline. You know, as they say in the beginning,

they were accused of saying in the whole climate gate scandal, hide the decline. Yep, hide the decline and what you got to figure, who do you think was actually running Biden in those days or running the Biden administration if you were to look back on that? Yeah, I would say, you know, my suspicion it was the husband-wife team of Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer. Anita Dunn ran this campaign in 2020. Bauer was the Perkins School of the Attorney, who was also involved in, you know, keeping Obama out of trouble,

retrieved the birth certificate, etc. And they were working, you know, like a one-two punch. I certainly throughout the 2020 campaign, and also I believe they devised a strategy that was the Charlottesville strategy. I mean, a big lie. He made this whole campaign a lie, a very fine people lie. He launched his campaign because he said of Trump's very fine people remark. The whole campaign was a lie.

Everything about it was a lie. We knew even when he started the campaign in 2019 that he was slipping. It was pretty obvious. And now, it was very difficult for Tapper. He made a mistake in writing this book because now he's got a front for a lie that he himself is part of. By the way, I don't want to make sure. I don't know if you heard the latest news, but Jake Tapper's publisher had to hire a crisis. I saw that. Yeah, hire a crisis. I saw that. Yeah, they had to hire a crisis, a PR group, to try to get it out there

because nobody wanted to talk with him about it because it's like, shut up! Yeah, on our side, we love to talk to him. But yeah, I could see why they wouldn't want him on CNN. I wanted to focus on your latest substack here and a number of great substacks. Now this is the sort of stuff that Jack writes about a lot. A lot of news that you're not going to see through the conventional sources. And the conventional sources are of course being discredited as we speak. But this has to do with reading.

And I'm a big fan of reading. I learned to read when I was four. Here in Oregon, Jack, we have really low reading attainment, low math attainment too for that matter. Oregon schools are number 45, number six or 47, depending on who you talk to, who you're rating. We have huge problems with this. And of course the same solution is always to hire more teachers or pay more money or whatever.

It's just, it's not been working here so far. But you brought up to me, and this being Conspiracy Theory Thursday, that one of the biggest conspiracies out there in public education is that educators would appear to be wanting boys to stop reading, at least by what they're trying to encourage boys to read. And I can't help but think that the two are connected. And I was wondering if you could break this down a little bit, what you're thinking. Yeah, you know, I based this on, I did research for a project for a named author that I can't name on

the air, but, and I got in, we got at these reading lists that libraries and schools were recommending for young people. And I just chose Montgomery County, Maryland, because Montgomery County is where the DC elite live, the educators who determine our future. And the reading list for this one summer or year in Montgomery County had 12 books. Nine of them were written by females, and these are recommended for all students. And the three books that were written by males might as well have been written by females. There are a lot of gay themes, there are a lot of witches, wizardry themes, a lot of overt anti-Christian themes. But also a lot of gay. A lot of gay stuff.

Also as part of this. I'm looking at some of this, and here we go. You write here, In jump, two females run away from home to find themselves through rock climbing out west. In matched, society guides a girl's choice until a computer glitch reveals her two matches or partners. In a long for the ride, a girl spends the summer with her remarried father and his young

baby and discovers that having fun is a good thing. So there's the theme that's being pushed by government school teachers, in other words, that girl, girl, girl, girl protagonist, girl heroine, I guess is what I'm hearing, right? Right. And even in the books written by males, like the wee small men, a woman, a girl, seeing these six inch men from Pearl, you know, with the hands of monsters. Six inch men, right? Six inch men. All right. Sounds kind of symbolic, I don't know, but it's like, and then I started thinking about

the books that I was assigned to read in my freshman year in high school. And there were Men Against the Sea, Mutant on a Bounty, Contiki, Red Badge of Courage. They're all about boys or men facing major challenges and overcoming them, either environmental challenges or challenges from other humans. But it was about instilling the values that you need to become a man, learning those values. And so what my partner, my friend Mike McVallan and I decided to do was to counter that by writing a book of our own that would be, that young men could get their teeth into.

It's also written for adult males, but it was, hey, we had youthful protagonists in it so that they could see characters like themselves. And that book was called The Hunt. And it was a real challenge, a really interesting project. And I thought it turned out pretty well. It did. In fact, when I was reading your Substack, I was so intrigued by this young man's novel that you ended up putting out called The Hunt that I went and bought a copy of it immediately. I downloaded it and I was reading it yesterday. It's just like, oh man, this is exactly the kind of stuff that they don't want. And I'm talking about the feminized teachers union kind of model of education that we have right now doesn't want young men looking at and it was you know a couple of young men kind

of one of them in trouble I guess in school whatever it is a father is widowed and you know and so there were some parenting problems they're getting together and they go on this hunt to try to male bond and heal a little bit. Is that kind of the basics of it? And this veteran father, they end up stumbling into a terrorist attack going on in there to take down the president. It's a great plot and I'm loving this stuff, but it's like, why doesn't this kind of a book get recommended? Because if they're worried about boys not wanting to read, that's one of the reasons they're not getting books like that, Jack. No, you're right. And what we did is, and the one thing we wanted to stress is my friends

had two adolescent sons, and he was a hunter. And so he was good, great for technical stuff. And our technical details are meticulous because we use the right male fiction you have to get everything right because someone will find it and jump on you. Yeah. But and this sons went into you know they went through high school without reading then they joined the Marines you know which is great but because when they were in high school they were getting books like you know, you know, We Little Men. I can read them. Yeah.

They were going to pick up books on their own. So the system is not actually pushing male fiction or male literature, or literature that would actually appeal to males. It's always been to, or it's mostly been to females, and or shall we say the LGBTQ island of misfit humans kind of view of the world. And that resulted in that boys aren't reading. So girls are ten times more likely to pick up a book on their own and read it than boys are right now. That is an astounding statistic on its face there that the boys won't read, and it's because people aren't writing books.

Well, is it that people aren't writing books for young men, or is it that they're not being encouraged to read these books? That's both. So you could have a reading list like the one I had in high school. Those books are still available. You know, Mutiny on the Bounty, Red Badge of Courage, Call of the Wild. There's no reason boys couldn't be reading those today, but they're not showing up on book lists.

So it's, I don't know, you know, I'd love for, to talk to educators about this, but not in public schools, because they're simply going to, at least in the very near future. Although the world is turning our way, but it's going to take a while before we root out the rot that's infected our public school systems everywhere. Does this kind of pushing towards feminized and, shall we say, non-masculine literature for reading lists in government schools. Is this coming out of academia? Is it coming out of the fact that there are

more female teachers than men though? I mean it used to be when I was growing up we had a lot more men teaching in public schools. It's part of it and plus the education schools and universities are awful. There are hotbeds of, you know, alphabets that is educated liberal females who rule with an iron kind of fist. And they're so far removed from even thinking about these issues right now that it'll take just a massive effort. And that's going on. I mean, people like Chris Ruffo and, you know, our alerting parents to the problems that they're, especially their sons are facing in schools, have just been demasculinized

and being almost punished for being boys. You know, they drug them up and push them out to the next grade and the net result is they're now close to two thirds of all university students are females. And the net result of that is that universities are in real trouble. And you're gonna start seeing them fold,

especially smaller state universities and smaller private schools. Out of curiosity, your opinion here, I know we're talking about the damage to boys being done in the feminized education system, but to be fair, are even young women being treated properly in a totally ideologically biased public school system too, and university system, are they being served well? No, they're not because what's happening is that, so I mean,

just in that result is let's say they go to college, you know, a generation or two ago, women went to college with the idea of finding a mate, right? That was part of it. That's not happening now. The only mates they're finding are the women. It's like fake lesbianism, gay for the stay kind of stuff. And they, I mean, I think women instinctively would like to have masculine mates, you know, or males who are capable of defending them, protecting them, you know, providing for them. And they're not finding them. So the average age for marriage now is like 29. It's the rare marriage you see today that's not among people who were groomed

to be married, like middle-class people, working-class people or not. I mean, it's a societal breakdown that is aggravated by the kind of education boys are getting in school. It's also a fact that anthropologically most women when they are looking for a maid are looking for a peer and they would tend to look at a male who is not college educated as beneath them or not not peer worthy. That's right, absolutely right. And yet at the same time, it's those guys who can do stuff. You know, like when the lights go out or when the plumbing breaks, you know, your college-educated male who majored in sociology isn't going to be much help. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of the challenge the

Democratic Party's having right now. They're trying to get rid of David Hogg. It's like the, you know, the women go to college looking to find that masculine male to protect them and they find David Hogg instead. Tim Walz. Tim Walz, yeah. Tim Walz. All right, interesting stuff. Jack, I think it's a really interesting point here that if you want, especially men, young

men and boys to be reading more, you have to have stories that appeal to the males innate sensibility, you know, and challenging males where they tend to come from. And I know that the whole work of the feminized education system has been to say that there's no difference between men and women at all. That's not realistic. We in this particular station understand the difference there. Thank you so much for bringing this up here. So we got to work on the literature here. By the way, you're gonna do a follow-up to The Hunt. You did The Hunt back in 2019, but I started reading it and I'm going like, man, no wonder the guys, you know, young men were loving this story. And I was an older guy and I'm

loving the story. It was great. Oh, you know, when the book came out, it was great. Then we got quite a whole COVID mess and we couldn't promote it and blah blah blah. But yeah, yeah, I know Mike McMullen, my partner on this project, would have loved to do a sequel. I'm saying, let's make a... I wrote this to get a movie made out of this, because it's written to be... you could see if you could read it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Chechen terrorists, dad and the sons out there in the wild, and they come across the pros and then mayhem ensues, all that kind of stuff. And then it's totally cinematic.

It's written to be produced. And then also people have to man up, so to speak, and do the right thing. That's what it's all about there. Jack, I'm glad you wrote it. And thanks for bringing up this issue about the crisis in young male reading. I think we kind of know when you see what the teachers are suggesting that they read. And how do people get a hold of you on on Substack? Was it just Jack Cashel at Substack.com? You can go to Substack.com and look me up.

Just put in Jack Cashel. That's the best way. And I'm putting something up there almost every day now. And subscriptions are free, unless you want to pay. And welcome to have some more followers. Are you actually going to take the book that you're serializing right now and put it in hardcover at some point? Yes. Yes. When do you think that's coming out? I would say I'm doing a chapter a week. I'm thinking it'll be out by the fall. I'm again, I'm shooting for the fall. Yeah. And what's the name of that again? It's called

Empire of Lies. Empire of Lies. Hopefully we can have a few more lies as time goes on. Jack, thanks so much for joining. I put an end date on the lies to 2024 so I don't have to take it. All right. Oh, I'm sure you'll probably find some lies in the current situation there too. I'm sure I will. Hey Bill, thanks a lot. Thank you now. Jack Cashel, it is 7 o'clock at KMED, KMED HD1, Eagle Point, Medford. KBXG, Grads Pass.