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Episode Date: May 15, 2025

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He's also an anchor at CNBC and at Fox Business Network and served as senior editor of the Wall Street Journal and managing editor of Forbes. So he's been plugged into money and all sorts of things for a long time. He also helped write Wealth Mismanagement, a Wall Street insider on the dirty secrets of financial advisors and how to protect your portfolio And Neil by the way lives in New York City and Dennis welcome to the program good to have you on Thanks so much Bill. It's great to talk to you. It's a glorious day, isn't it? It's almost Friday Yeah, almost Friday in beautiful weather here in Southern, Oregon

And I'm going to admit my biases with you first, okay? And I pitched someone who's writing a book called The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk. I'm thinking to myself, all right, obviously a Musk fan. I'm going to tell you, I love Elon Musk when it comes to the doge things and exposing, you know, waist and graft and grift and various other things. And yet, I have a love-hate relationship with him, Dennis. Okay. I'm going to tell you this. I love that side. I hate the fact that he built the empire on the back of taxpayer subsidies for a politically favored mode of transportation. And that has bugged me right from the one thing

that's the best you got baby I think it's pretty darn big you know I think it's a pretty darn big thing you know to sit around here and and write hot checks out here in the West Coast especially you know for this and to push out stuff that works for stuff that doesn't necessarily work as well. But I know in California, it's like a $7,500 reduction off your taxes for buying a Tesla. Yeah, okay. So you know what? I love capitalism. I learned to love business at the Wall Street Journal. I learned to love capitalism at Forbes. So I do agree with your point yeah but it's government

subsidies that's all true at the same time understand a couple things first. Every company I invest in as a shareholder. I want to exploit every tax break every tax advantage every tax credit that is legal and available I

want that company to go after that and do that and unlock the greatest value it can I don't want that company to go after that and do that and unlock the greatest value it can. I don't want that company to eschew it and say, we're not going to do that because we're so pure. No, no, I want you to make as much money as possible. And if it's legal, why not do it?

Second, the Tesla was the first time ever that a green technology came on and you didn't buy it just because it was green. Well, gosh, I'll sacrifice. Instead, it became the best selling car, better than Mercedes, more units than BMW, 100 year old brands, decades old brands, because it was a better car, because it had great features. All right. And it had amazing full service driving. So even though yes, the exploited government benefits and taxes, that's not why this car sold around the world. That's not why this car is selling in China. So I can forgive them even though

your point is basically right. Yeah I have trouble getting over that because because one of the challenges here is that capitalism in my opinion has been redefined as who builds what the government wants in essence is what has gone on, especially when it comes to transportation. And everybody covered up for the shortfalls of electric transportation the same way they covered up for Joe Biden's decline. Right. Okay. But Bill, here's the thing. My book offers 11 lessons of Elon, one per chapter, that explain a success and that we could use to build a better career, to build a better outlook, to build a better life for ourselves. And so I am here to help you and counsel you, sir,

to get you to give up that one thing. Because look at all that Elon has done, 160 billion so far in annual spending cuts that will be 1.6 trillion over 10 years. The X platform becoming the freest free speech platform in the world. It basically tilted the balance of the election, I think, in 2024. And now I will agree with you wholeheartedly on that. And purchase... His darling... He's lost money on X, but I think he lost money on X for a good purpose. Would you agree? I think it's really what we're talking about. Look, he's lost at more than $100 billion

since taking over Doge and having the Democrats come out and decide that their former darling is now the devil because he's doing business with that bad man, Trump. So, I mean, he's doing so many good things on so many fronts. Look at the third person. He's got Lou Gehrig's disease, ALS. He puts out a tweet. I read on Twitter suddenly,

and the guy's only got 2,600 followers. He says, I'm an ALS patient and I have lost the ability to speak. I am now writing this tweet to you with my brain chip, with my mind. I mean, that's an incredible thing. And by the way, Elon, one of the lessons is dream huge and spend decades pursuing it. We don't dream big enough. We're too afraid of failure. Okay. He doesn't just think this brain chip is going to help paraplegics or, or amputees or whatever. He thinks this brain chip will be in millions of people, 20 or 30 years from now to help them communicate faster with AI.

I mean, the guy's dreams are even bigger than we see. He doesn't just want to get to Mars and put 20 million people there in the next 20 years or so. He wants to eventually, we have to move out to a moon of Jupiter because what if Mars explodes? And if you're in the moon of Jupiter, eventually you should go out to the asteroid belt. So this guy's dream is even bigger than we know. And yet, sir, you, sir, have a part of you that detests this man because of some legally

available government credits that any shareholder would want a company to take advantage of. And who once he has built the empire then says, you know, I think we can actually get rid of these subsidies now. who once he has built the empire then says, you know, I think we can actually get rid of these subsidies now. That's genius. You can't both resent him for taking advantage of the subsidies and then resent him for giving them up. Ladies and gentlemen, we're just going to flip over all the cards and say, yes, Bill

Meyer now has only a love-love relationship with Elon Musk. No, I don't. I don't. But that's okay. But the thing is, I think I'm going to get a copy of your book though because I want to understand him. Okay? And I think this is important though, because I see wonderful things. Here it is. All right. Helping someone with Lou Gehrig's disease communicate, I think, is a wonderful thing. But this concept that we should invite the singularity, in other words, the mechanization of humanity, essentially the brain implant thing, I don't know. There seems to be a greater and to me a darker side of that agenda in which we're just going

to actually build the matrix is what we're going to do with such technology. Well, yeah. Look at Facebook. Zuckerberg, I think they spent, I think they spent sort of $30 billion working on the metaverse. And this is from a guy who had a hard time getting a date in college. So of course he would love that idea of sitting there in your goggles and meeting fake people in the metaverse, but where's it gone? It's gone nowhere. There's reality. Or is there reality?

You know, Chapter One, Lesson One, in the Leadership Genius of Elon Musk, it says that, you know what? All of this may be fakes, so just go for it. Elon has argued publicly at any number of times that the odds likely are billions to one in favor of the possibility that this all could be just one big video game, a big massive simulation that's so real we can't tell the difference. In other words, we're already in the Matrix. We're already living the Matrix. Because look, there's three lessons in the book that actually speak to this.

So even if it's untrue, and of course it's probably not true, right? I mean, life is life, we think. But let's think about it a couple of ways. First of all, it does empower Elon to take bigger risks, huge risks, right? Because what the hell, it all may be a game anyway. I think it emboldens him. Second of all, I think it's definitely true, Bill, that we could have this simulation so real that we don't know, say, in 10,000 years from now, right? Absolutely.

Because look where we've come in video games from Pong in 1970 to what we have now. So of course, 10,000 years from now, yes, there could be a simulation like that, correct? Yes. You with me? Yes, but is that progress simulation like that. Correct? Yes. You with me? Yes, but is that progress? Is that really progress? That's more philosophical.

Let me finish the loop, and that is the US is some 3.8 billion years old, almost 4 billion years old. That means we have almost 400,000 time spans of 10,000 years that have passed on this earth. And yet we think, really really that only in the next 10,000 years will the simulation finally be possible. I mean, it's almost four million chances for that to have come true by now, and only now we're still not advanced enough. That can only mean that no civilization has ever gotten advanced enough.

It blew itself apart. So, I don't know, you start to think in a different way and then I, hey man, I interviewed this guy. Well, okay, well, you know, you're talking about, well, we talk about even the ancient philosophies about Atlantis, right? See, and that's just, and this is kind of where I'm going, so Elon to me is the perfect bloodless technocrat, okay, in which we kind of live in our own created scientific dictatorship if people like him run amok to the extent of their...in other words, it's just because we can, should we?

And I know these are philosophical questions, but it's like to question any of this is like, well, you're against progress, you know? And I'm not, but it this is like, well, you're against progress, you know, and I'm not. But it's just like, what is really... Does it really progress? Are we going to be good? Is it progress, I guess, for us to merge with machinery? You know, and the biological... How far do you go? I think some people already are going a little too far. And maybe I don't feel like being assimilated into Elon Musk's Borg.

But here's the thing, Elon agrees with you exactly. It's why he started XAI, because he had a fight with Larry Page at a birthday party in 2015, and Larry says, look, Larry, I worry about AI kind of replacing humans or, or, or dominating humans. And Larry said, look, if let AI grow to whatever it shall become, it would only be an improvement. And when Elon says, no, humans got to be in charge, Larry Page of Google calls Elon a species that is racist against other species because he would put humans before them. So Elon thinks, holy, I can't leave Google and Microsoft to dominate this business. I can't be trusted because he's been warning since I think 2015, look, AI

could grow out of control. And we've got to rein it in. So he actually is in your camp on that. But then he creates, he funds the first 50 million of OpenAI with Sam Altman kind of lured into it by this young pup. And that would be worth basically50 million of open AI, which Sam Altman kind of lured into it by this young pup. That would be worth basically one-third of the $150 billion value of the company today had he insisted on ownership, but he wanted to give it to the world. But then he tells Sam Altman at OpenAI, you've got to raise billions. Sam turns to Microsoft, the evil Microsoft, one of the two big guys he wanted to stop from going into AI even further. And so Lesson 11 says that the most likely outcome in life often is the most ironic one,

most opposite of what you tried to make happen or what you expected to happen. And here Elon tried to free AI and by funding open AI, he ends up instead making it even worse and more of a threat because of Microsoft. Interesting. Dennis Neal is with me. He's the author of The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk. From your observations of him, what do you think someone like me, who is not necessarily on board with everything he's all about, what do I not get most, in your opinion, from him? What does a person, a critic, not get most of

them? Yeah, what am I not understanding or what am I missing most of all? Because like I said, I have love hate. I have love hate for the guy. Okay? Yeah, right. Right. Well, I think first of all, there's a certain amount of envy, number one. Number two, we are taught and trained all our lives to look down or to be against people

who are incredibly braggadocious and wear their ego on the sleeve. We suppress ego. Well, that's in bread and number three, we project and we sometimes dislike most the features in someone else that we might worry we have on ourself and I think that egotism plays in there. Number four, I think most people think he's a, you know, a lot of people think he's a rapacious, profit, greedy bastard. And yet I think he really is driven. I don't, I don't think, I don't think that's him at all. I really don't think he's driven by that. Driven to be loved.

I think he wants to be adored. You see him on that stage for Trump rallies and he's just so elated, delighted finally to be one of the cool kids. That's funny. That's, that's very funny. You're thinking about someone who has... What's his net worth now at this point? Oh, probably $250-$300 billion. His shares are back up in Tesla. I'm an owner in Tesla. I've ridden that

roller coaster. But ultimately, though, wanting to be loved. I think that's quite interesting. You know know the one thing I do agree with him though is the push for having kids. I think it's great. Oh my gosh, 14 and counting, you know, from chapter 2. I wouldn't have had them with grimes just to tell you the truth though, but that's just me. I would have probably skipped that one. You would have? I wouldn't have, man. That's got to be really... Well, you know, I wish I knew how... His first four or five sons with his first longtime wife were in vitro after his first infant son died of SIDS as still an infant.

I mean, it was devastating. It's almost as if Elon didn't trust nature anymore. But then later, you know, some were natural. He's up to 14, you know, less than two says reduce, reduce, reduce. Elon cuts back on everything except women and children. A Tesla has 10,000 parts, a Ford has 40,000. But then when it comes to women, I write in the chapter, I say, look, any man who knows that, you know, keeping one woman is incredibly, keeping her happy is incredibly hard.

To even try to keep two women happy is either hubris or insanity. So this guy meanwhile has, I think he's up to four or five. My goodness, he's quite prolific. Yeah, he is. He doesn't marry them all though, does he? No, he doesn't. But you know what the most recent one Ashley St. Claire is it? The conservative who did the worst violation of all.

I mean, she clearly revealed her texts in private communications and emails with Elon personally and Elon's handler to the Wall Street Journal for a front page story utterly violating the man's privacy when she was told from the start, the one thing he cares about most, you don't talk about this, she goes public. She got, I think was it,

to those planners. Well, the one thing about Elon Musk Club is that you don't talk about Elon Musk Club right? There you go, beautiful reference, I love that. Yeah, she's getting a hundred thousand a month after the guy getting 12 million for the baby and she got that sex with him I think, I'm not sure on the in-vitro front there but I mean how about you keep quiet and you kind of be happy. Instead of thinking you've got a problem.

You know what? Most of us, we don't have any real problems at all. We make our problems because we focus on things that upset us instead of focusing on reasons to be utterly joyful and happy. Do you know, can I just tell you a quick thing? Sure. I was supposed to do an interview tonight at 6 15 with a radio host His name was Mark Han

He died on Tuesday of a heart attack Now life is a minefield and we are moving forward and we don't realize it but friends and neighbors Are getting taken up to the left and right of us And we don't realize how lucky we are to be alive. Yeah. You know, I think there's another aspect of Elon Musk I think that does bother me. And maybe this is the core of it more so than the grift. And you're right, I think any other company that would have the tax breaks would probably go for that.

I'll concede your point on that Okay. All right that being said though Everything that I feel about Musk feels like a total I Guess I don't feel that there's any room for a spirituality or the I don't feel like there's any room for any spirit in Elon Musk and that we're just we're just humans we're just machines and all we have to do is just make ourselves better machines am I

wrong about that it's just my impression come on man these are such pick a you protest because that you could you know I listen, I think this whole idea of transforming humanity into biomechanical devices... No, no. If he's desperate and for 20 years and has spent more than $100 million of his own money out of his own pocket to get to Mars because he's worried the Earth, when it blows itself up, that civilization will end and he wants civilization to continue. That's not a man who's the way you describe. But also, look at all the great things he's doing.

Why are you focused on the things that kick you off instead of focused on the wondrous, wonderful things? And by the way, I got to tell you, I'm going to make a joke here. Men have a hard time bonding over most anything other than sports or a way to argue. I just reached out to you and told you what I thought. I got goosebumps. I mean, I love my own stuff, right? That's how I stayed in this for three years. Well, congratulations. All right. I told you about the guy, the radio host I was going to interview with tonight and he died on Tuesday. And I felt like I held up a big hand for a high five and he said, so about Elon in this tax break thing, I feel like I got emotional and then

you left me hanging babe. Because I mean that do you see that there's I mean why focus on the things that tick you off about Elon when I mean we can be... Because the things that tick me off about Elon have great power over humanity. I think that's where it is. And did we ask for this? What power does he have over humanity? What power does he have that affects our life in any way? Okay. All right. Now, I guess here's the next question. You know, who actually gives permission to sit there and encircle the globe with his network.

That's another thing that would come up with me. He's done that? Would you rather have private enterprise do it than some government? Do you trust even the US government? You're trying to tell me though that this is not going to be a melding of government power at some point? Come on, don't be so naive, Dennis. No, no.

Well look, are you in favor of no satellite network that can cover the backwaters of the world and let poor people access the internet? When we know, I believe studies show that your personal income can double or triple when you have in third world countries, when you have access to the internet. I mean, why be against so many things? You know, here's the thing, Bill. For 30 plus years, I made my job as a journalist, and that meant that I was always looking for what's wrong with this picture.

Pissed off about it. Who's losing? Who's angry? Where's the real issue? No, I'm not pissed off or angry about him. I'm just saying, I look at the downside of what immense power in just a handful of individuals could actually bring us.

There's an upside and a downside. It's a dual universe we have. Phil, worry is wasted. Okay? Be vigilant. So just relax. Be not fearful. Worry is wasted. I mean, you're worried about all these downsides. Name one bad thing that's happened because of Starlink right now. Name one bad thing. Right now, none. Okay. Then why harbor the concern? All right. Fair enough. All right. All right, Dennis, I'm just going to turn my brain off then as I see every creeping subsuming of humanity in the future of the technocratic future.

subsuming of humanity in the future of the technocratic future. All right. There's a saying, there's a saying I open the book with. OK, and it's it's it's it's called an epigram. I kept thinking was an epitaph, but that's on your headstone. And it's an epigram. And he says, I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right.

And I submit to you that our life is better if we're just more optimistic and we have a better outlook. Yes, you can worry about, not worry about these things, but make sure they get taken care of without being so dark and negative. I mean, I think that Elon Musk, an adopted US citizen, is one of the best things to happen to America in a hundred years. I think he's equal parts Einstein, Jobs, Edison, and BT Barnum. I think we ought to be thanking the universe or the simulation or God that he's here doing this stuff, man. And by the way.

All right. Like I said, I'm gonna get a copy of this book and I'm gonna read it, okay? And I will have you back, okay? I will do that. And then come on What's Bugging Me, my podcast, and then tell me what you get a copy of this book and I'm going to read it, okay? And I will have you back, okay? I will do that. Then come on What's Bugging Me, my podcast, and then tell me what you think about it and tell me that I've converted you into only a love-love relationship with Lonnie Baby. Dennis, I appreciate you coming on here. Dennis Neal is the author of The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk. It's an admiring portrait of the pioneering entrepreneur. Like I said, I see a lot of good. I see things which could concern me too. So I'm

going to have a toe in both worlds here for the time being. All right, Dennis? I appreciate it. And where can you get it? Tell me about it. Okay. Give me the particulars. Yes. Do you have a website for the book? anything like that? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, yeah. The Leadership News Elon Musk is available on Amazon. Books A Million, Barnes and Noble. Follow me on Twitter, at Dennis Neal. That's a K-N-E-A-L-E. And give me a good review on Amazon. Well, yeah, I got Elon haters tearing me down. I imagine so. And like I said, that's horrible what has been done to Tesla owners. And that's ridiculous. You know it's like live with Democrats they're like a jealous girlfriend keying your car. They feel so betrayed by

their former liberal hero. Okay well I will be guardedly optimistic and I you know I'm guardedly optimistic about this but I have to keep up the guardedly side of me okay. Dennis thanks for the call great having you on all right. Be well. Thank you so much man right? Be well. Thank you so much, man. Have a glorious weekend. All right. 770-5633.

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I was having a talk with a Elon Musk true believer. I really, I still have a love-hate relationship with the man in many ways, but talk me down. Yeah, well, the history of humanity is filled with Elon Musk. People who have made huge differences in the world are often different. My son works with Siemens Corporation and he deals with a lot of geniuses in that he does simulation software support. And he was telling me, he is amazed about how many people that he deals with are weird. He was talking about one guy who designs the backbone for satellites, the communication system.

And he's the only guy that is known who can do this just easily. And the guy can't run a microwave, he always burns popcorn. And everybody in the office that he works in hates him because they try to make their popcorn for him. Well, he's extremely left brain, in other words, right? Yeah, yeah. And that's okay. And that's not the issue I think that I have with the Elon Musk's of the world. It's about the total transformation and remaking of humanity under the guise of progress. As somehow merging us with artificial intelligence with our various brain implants and neural nets and all the rest of it is just automatically a good thing and it strikes me as the...

and I think maybe what it is is that it's the lack of a spiritual quotient in the relationship to humanity that bothers me. I understand that, my friend. I am becoming more spiritual every day because I have vision that other people don't have just because I'm old. I've seen things and done things and I can't believe that it's all an accident. Musk is a very interesting person. The thing about AI that everybody is concerned about is the singularity when the AI is becoming smarter than every human being and will run things. And that we are in essence

training it right now with our knowledge these days. Well you know what the fly in that ointment is? What's that? Power. Electricity. In order to power the AI that they're talking about, we would have to double the power of electric generation in this country. And there is really no plan to do that either? No, no. There's a couple of possibilities, but you know the small nuclear reactor thing is probably the only real thing. Yeah, but let's be honest though. Let's be real, let's be honest, the only energy source that we still have at this point is that amazing

ocean of hydrocarbons. That's really what it is. There's no doubt about that. Who knows how that's going to turn out, but you were talking, I'm ricocheting a little bit, you can call me Lucretia, but I grew up in the 50s and you know I was not a, I was a slight kid, I couldn't play sports, I just didn't have the physical ability. I started school a little young and I couldn't find my place and one day I found a little shelf in the library in the seventh grade that was science fiction. And I started reading science fiction from, you know, probably 1960 on.

And I've read all the books, Heinlein, Asimov, and on and on and on. And their visions of the future are very interesting because there's always a flaw. You're right. There's always a flaw in that singularity vision, isn't there? Absolutely. All right. 7705633. Steve, thanks for that.

Thoughtful people. I always appreciate that. Hi, KMED. Good morning. Good morning, Bill. Another Steve, Steve in Sunny Valley. Hello, Bill. Another Steve, Steve in Sunny Valley. Hello, Steve. And I just think it's amazing that everybody has their own paradigm and nobody can see

the edge of it. Nobody can see what it is that just goes against their grain without any logic or reason behind it. And a lot of it is point of view. You have a problem with Elon because he took that subsidy to get his card business going, but Ross Perot didn't make a single penny that didn't come from the government. That's true. His billions were made by taking a buck for crants, making Medicare payments go through. And yet he was totally a conservative. And then Elon showed me something when he was talking to Bob Iger about withholding funds for advertising on X. And you cannot threaten the richest man in the world with withholding money. He's already got

it. He could pay for his Mars trip by himself without the government. He does not need the government's help to do that. So thinking that he's doing this to get more government grift... Oh no, I don't think that's it. But I would just say go ahead. He's more than happy to. I'm more than happy to have him pay for his trip to Mars. I really am. Right. And we have gotten so many side benefits from even the government's clumsy space exploration. Think of Tang and microprocessing, and all of these other advancements that came because instead of trying to make things bigger, we had to make things smaller and lighter to get them out of the gravitational pull.

But you see where I draw a line though? I draw the line of merging humanity into the network. And I don't know if he doesn't have a spiritual aspect to him. I think he's on the spectrum. Oh, I can assure you he doesn't have much of a spiritual aspect. That's my issue, I think, more than anything else. I think he does. It just doesn't show because he's on the spectrum and it manifests differently than it would in somebody who

wasn't on the autistic spectrum. Yeah, very good point, Steve. Thank you for your call. Hey, I'm running a little bit behind here. After news, if you're on hold, I'll get right to you. We'll get a few more calls in here. It's a great Conspiracy Theory Thursday talk. You have an author on that I agree with on some and I disagree with on others, but Elon

Muskin Moore coming up. I've been running my business over 30 years, built on word of mouth, handshakes, and har song. Visit MillettConstruction.com. You're hearing the Bill Meyers Show on 1063 KMED. It is Conspiracy Theory Thursday, which means interesting calls, going out on some thought-provoking ledges and I think I said I was interviewing a real, real Elon Musk fan. I like a lot about Elon.

There's a lot about it that I don't trust. I guess maybe that's it too. It's the spirituality, the wanting to merge humans with machine. And maybe I've watched too much science fiction and I'm always looking to see, okay, where is the fly in this particular ointment? I don't know. We can talk about that, anything else in your mind too. And we get to Susie.

Susie and GP, how are you doing Susie? What are you thinking? I'm really good. Thank you. Morning. Any thoughts today? Well, the back story, I was wondering you know, where did he get all this money?

He's and so I researched that goad it and his grandparents from Canada were kicked out because of what they called technocracy, which I found an interesting term. And that's how they ended up in South Africa. So I just find the whole thing like I'm a little on both sides of the fence like you. I think he can do a lot of good but there's just an undercurrent of something else there. There's an undercurrent that it's like it's uh, it's kind of being soft-pedaled I think at this point and I think that's part of my of my issue because yes, I am aware

of the connections with technocracy and technocracy is the connections with technocracy and technocracy is arguably what is trying to be imposed on the world at this point in time in which we don't worry about what people want in their particular communities because we have experts and scientists and professional professionals, you know I always talk about that, you know, professional professionals that know how best to manage people in societies, whether it's the 15-minute city or whether it's sending us to Mars. Well, apparently the Canadian government was a little worried about it because they kicked his grandparents out of Canada. Yeah, well, technocracy, the scientific dictatorship, the dictatorship of experts.

And then look where he's coming. I just find the whole thing a little fascinating. I just wanted to call and just throw that out. Yeah, and I appreciate you doing that. Let me go to, let's see, Logan, we're going to have you then. Lucretia, we got you. Lucretia wants to talk a bit of COVID too before we wrap the hour. Hi, good morning, Logan. Well, speaking of that, you mentioned about bringing success to the world and making the world a better place. The first, how is, how is Elon doing it? The first place that gentleman went was, well, he bringing the income of these isolated nations up.

And I don't know if you saw that one study, but they, they sent Starlake out to some tribe in Africa and they ended up all getting hooked on porn and it was a disaster. I don't know if you heard about that. Yeah, I remember that. I wasn't going to bring that up because it seemed like maybe a one-off situation. But anyway, I wanted to bring the fact that there is more to remind people because in America, this is often forgotten. There is more to success than just the digits in your bank account and how much money you have because that's the first thing he mentioned is it quadrupled these people's income. Well, a lot of these tribes and these cultures live in a society that's not so focused around

how much money you have parallels with your success. And it's just wrong because even as what we got going on with the school board director here as we're voting here on the 20th, I hope people get their ballots in, but it's a big decision. This board is going to choose the new superintendent. And it's ultimate that we find a person that has that same focus. It's not focused on all about the dollar. We shouldn't have to pay a superintendent a quarter million dollars to get a good one.

There's good men and or women out there that are willing to step up and do this job that serve a higher, that I should say, maybe make their treasure in heaven versus the earth, if that makes sense. Right, Logan. Appreciate the take on it. 7705633. Lucretia, good to have you here. You're going to shift the gears here in a moment to COVID and the snake venom thing.

And this is one of the conspiracies that I just sit around in and glaze my eyes over. But I'll give you a quick shot at that. Go ahead. Okay, Bill. I just also want to correct you. Yesterday I said I eat raw meat. I only eat some raw liver for B vitamins. No, I cook my meat. Okay. I do know a woman that cured herself of ovarian cancer by eating raw meat, went to Texas and fermented vegetables. Yeah, the raw meat diet. Yeah, there we go. I get nervous. Yeah, I'll chew my way through the butcher shop, right? No, this is a big one. And I just sent you

all these scientific articles from Science Daily to India and what they're reporting. And what Dr. Artis is saying, you were the... I heard about Dr. Artis through you. He was the one that knew remdesivir was very deadly and, you know, Fowsey had gone to Africa and they were using it there. It was killing four out of five people and the one that lived had to get kidney transplant. It's so bad on the kidneys. That's how they killed my brother too.

But can you give me a good encapsulation because I can't read all the stuff on the air here. Okay. Supposedly Dr. Artis says there was protein. Now enzymes are proteins, okay? And what he's saying is the body uses all this junk yeast, this dangerous yeast that they're putting in beer and bread and crackers and food, and it converts these proteins. Now I sent you an article and it's... Okay, I need you to be very simple. It's talk radio, okay? Okay.

So Science Daily is like venom coursing through the body. Researchers identify mechanisms driving COVID-19 where they're finding high levels of these proteins if the body is using the yeast to turn it into snake venom. It's turning it into snake venom. And like this one, the study involved two patient cohorts who learned that the circling levels of this SPLA2 were elevated in individuals with severe COVID. All right, so am I correct to then assume that when I read this article you sent me, and I always do, that we have yeast within the body,

which is then acting on these proteins that you were talking about, in essence creating our own COVID-19 and or snake venom. Is that what you're talking about? Right. And so it can be sprayed in the air. And Bill Gates, he idolized this guy. That is one of the top geoengineers with biological. And I called you years ago and we talked about how Australia was now saying they could vaccinate people just through, you know. Yeah, just spray it in geoengineering. Yeah. Yeah. So they're doing it through these proteins in the yeast, but then converts it into snake venom that allows you not, or makes it so you can't move your chest in and out,

just like we- Okay, so ultimately what you're describing then is a technocracy from Bill Gates, which would be probably against the technocracy being brought in by Elon Musk, right? Not just technocracy, but also they're even putting it in the cosmetics as the Olympic, I can't pretty much.

Okay, yeah, all right. Okay, you're sparking over to too many different issues right now, so let's just keep it to that one thing that you were talking about. Okay. The yeast, I find that interesting. Let me read it and get back to you, okay? All right?

Okay. All right, all right, because then it goes on to this doctor and then on to this foundation and then on to this person spraying and then this person, anyway, it gets, yeah. One conspiracy at a time. I can only handle so many conspiracies at one time.

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