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Episode Date: May 15, 2025

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The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling.com. It's 11 minutes after 8. Kim Anne Rees in studio with me. And she is one of the principles behind a pretty intense conference. When I say intense, I'm saying intense and a good thing, not like intense and like, that that sort of intensity. But it's a conference coming up May 29th to 30th

here in Southern Oregon, AI for Good, the AI for Good conference. And how interesting that this just happened on a day in which at the last minute, you know, one of these people who I'll sometimes book guests through has just said, this person's not available. You know, how about the Elon Musk guy, the guy who is absolutely in love with Elon Musk

and has written a book about his leadership style? I said, okay, why not? And so it ends up morphing into sort of an AI conspiracy theory Thursday. So Kim Andreessen, it's good having you here. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for having me. All right, now you're kind of like me,

sort of into the baby, into the baby stages of AI. But the one thing which is for sure is that this is the zeitgeist, this is the big deal. This is what has been stirring conversation everywhere and where the future of artificial intelligence and the dealing with human intelligence, I guess, is essentially what's going on. And so you and your husband ended up putting this together, EAI for good. And let's talk about first off, where you go to get the tickets

and give me the particulars about that. And then we'll kind of talk into the, some of the stuff which is gonna be going on there. Sure, absolutely. So this is gonna be May 29th and 30th, full day conference from 8.30 to 5.30, both days. Our wonderful sponsors over at Blum Commercial Properties have donated the second floor of the One West Main

Building. So this is gonna be in the heart of downtown Medford. Good. And you can go to the AI4goodconference.com to register. Today is actually our early bird deadline so you can save a few bucks if you register today by the end of the day. What's it run? Because like I said, this is two days, two full days. So one day is 110 and two days is 199 or you can just come to our what we call bits and bytes mixer at the end of day one for 40 bucks. And this is the, is this the ins and outs, the nuts and bolts of it? Is it about theory?

Is it about how you integrate it? What will people end up learning in something like this? Sure. So just to step back just a little bit, my husband and I went up to the Oregon AI conference back in February in Newport because my husband's in technology and I was very AI curious. And like you said earlier, I'm a baby user. I am not an expert in this field, but I'm very curious so I can see, you know, look forward to the future, see people around us using it, seeing all the,

you know, every time you go online, there's some new article about AI and what's happening. And also some new button on the screen asking you to- What's your preference on this? Yeah, yeah, and go into the chat bot world, you know, that sort of thing. That's right. And now Microsoft AI Copilot, you know, boom, you know.

Exactly. All that sort of stuff. Well, so last night I copilot, you know, boom, you know, all that sort of stuff. Well, so last night I was looking like, okay, what's the current count of how many AI apps are actually out there right now? There are over 270 AI apps right now available to people to use in a variety of different ways from managing their day to day operations to data to taking notes to scheduling. I mean, you name it, there's an app for it out there, right? And I have to tell you, there's a lot of appeal in using it for such, you know, these mundane sort of tasks

and taking some of that off of your deal, because everybody, anybody who's in a business, anybody is in a corporate structure, of course, you know, we deal with this too. Everything is about doing more with less. It's not about hiring more people all the time. That's just the reality. And the goal of this conference really is to have people join the journey wherever they're coming from. If you have never used AI before, we want you to come. We have a specific workshop called AI 101. And so that's going to be the

nuts and bolts piece. If you have, again, never used AI and you're curious and you want to learn, you know, how to use chat GBT to the maximum in terms of your prompt engineering and what you ask it, you can come and learn about that. If you are a business owner and you want to teach your employees on how to increase their productivity, save time, or you're just getting started and you want to craft policies and security around your AI usage, I mean, your employees are probably already using it either at home or in the office. And if you don't have policies ready to go,

you're in trouble already. Whether you realize it or not, for all we know, some of what your employees may be working with right now is getting uploaded to an AI. That's right. That's right. And you have to be very careful with your data and you gotta be careful with what security protocols you have in place.

So we have an expert from the AI governance group, Janet Johnson is going to be one of our speakers doing a presentation on just that. Okay, I wanted to ask about that. When you talk about the AI governance group, is this AI governing us or is it about a group that is looking to govern AI to an away? What does that mean? So this is a company that teaches people how to create policies and security around AI usage in their own companies. And so she's going to be talking to business leaders and professionals

about how to get started to create your own policies for usage and how to be safe. You're not going to just upload your database to AI and see what happens. You got to be careful. And if you don't have a policy governing your employees or setting parameters for that, we just want people to use it responsibly and safely. Yeah. And see, this is it. At the same time, we have those hundreds of apps that are attempting people to come on,

come on, join in and ask me a question, any question, and, you know, do these kinds of things. But yet in essence, we are training it with even the questions that we ask and also what information we end up sharing with it. And so you could see in a corporate and a business world how this could be a good thing or a bad thing, right? Absolutely.

We also have workshops and sessions on marketing, increasing your productivity. So from 101, basically AI 101, all the way up to your business management. So there's really something for everyone. We have an AI in education panel talking about the future. We have a future of Southern Oregon panel with some community leaders. They're gonna be talking about technology and companies

that are coming to the area. Who is coming in to talk about AI and education? AI and education, we have all of the local university presidents. We have Rachel Puckrant from UCC. We have Randy Weber from RCC and Rick Bailey from SOU. You know something that I was reading on the Brew, the Morning Brew, one of these newsletters that I get, and probably generated by AI for all I know, but they were talking about in the educational realm, how there is a real schism developing

in the colleges and the students, and we may see this even in K through 12 at some point, because what they're talking about is that it's almost like it's dueling chatbots that we have here, because you have students that would be using AI chatbots to do homework and write papers, and now you have college professors that are starting to use chat bots then

to grade papers and evaluate students. Right. It's fascinating, isn't it? Yeah, but at the same time, it's like, okay, who's being educated? Is what I was going to say here. I'd be curious to see what the RCC president and various other folks would be thinking about this, that are we being educated, or are we just going to have our digital assistants arguing with one another? Right, right, absolutely. No, that's gonna be one of our really great sessions.

We also have a couple of speakers, one from OSU, who specializes in K through 12 education as well, as local hero, John Williams with OEN, and he's an expert in the field as well. All right. Everything about this though is to find a way to efficiently and smartly, I guess, integrate it in mostly business or personal life too.

What do you think? Yes, both. Like I said, wherever you're at on your AI journey, whether you're just getting started or you wanna up your game in business and increase your productivity, we've got a session for you. We have panel discussions, workshops, and presentations. We have a wonderful gentleman named Peter Kirwin from MeBot who has an AI clone demonstration. And so you can come and watch that.

Okay, one more time. MeBot and a clone. MeBot AI, that company creates clones of yourself for you to interact with. He has a really cool presentation that he's going to show. So he has cloned himself. He has an agent that looks just like him. So he will be interacting with him. You argue with yourself, in other words.

Yes, exactly. But also, yourself knows your own preferences and can talk intelligently back to you. So it's going to be a lot of fun. All right. I guess we'll find out though if they say sometimes what you hate is what you hate about something within your own personality that you find. That could be interesting as we argue with ourselves. I'm arguing with the voice in my head. No, it's a chat box. No, it's myself on my screen. This sounds like a, I got to tell you a couple of days of fascinating talk here. I'm going to have to get away from the station for a little bit.

I can't go for the whole days, but I want to see more of what is going on with this. And we've designed it where you can drop in for part of the day. If you can't stay for the whole day, that's all right. If you want to just come to the networking session, that's all right. We also have a session, one of the professors from OSU, Victor Bilejas, he is going to be speaking on digital literacy and communication for small business. So if you're a small business owner,

we invite you to come and join us as well. Kim Andreessen once again, and it's with the AI for Good Conference. I have to ask you though, what is probably the most misunderstood aspect since you've gone to some of these conferences already and now you're putting on your own conference here for Southern Oregon because I have no doubt it's people are going to want to check this out because it's there whether you want it there or not. It's going to be there. What is probably

the most misunderstood aspect of all of this from all the people you've talked to, and even as a baby user of AI? Probably the verification of the information. One of the professors from the U of O did a presentation at the Oregon AI Conference, and she brought up her screen and she had researched herself and pulled up her bio and put it into AI and said, tell me about myself. And it ended up that she was dead. And so it was, that was really striking. That was a really striking example of misinformation. And, you know, AI has hallucinations and there's a lot of,

a lot of aspects where it, it needs human interaction to verify the information. So the accuracy, I think, is probably we're not there yet. We're getting there. Yeah. But we're not there yet. So it needs a person to verify. So if you're writing a paper, you're using it for marketing, you're using AI for other aspects, you need to still verify the information. That's really interesting you bring that up because I was reading about an attorney that got in trouble big time because he had written legal briefs using AI and they were non-existent cases. And so needless to say, the judge was not real impressed. No, I can imagine.

All right. So, guardedly optimistic, I think, is a way to approach this. You can see, and I know that we're still kind of in the early days. This is really like the early days of the internet part two. That's right. And another aspect of this conference is we want to take the fear out of it. There's a lot of, I've had a lot of conversations with people in the community who are very apprehensive about even getting started and using it.

Like I know I need to, but I'm a little scared of it. I'm sure. So we want to take the fear factor out of that by offering the education to anyone that wants to come and take part of it. We're also looking for volunteers to help out with the day and we'll comp admission for that. So you can sign up on our website or email us at support at aiforgoodconference.com. And again, today is our Early Bird special day, so save a few bucks, sign up for our conference. You can sign up up to the day before the event. And again, it's going to be at One West Main, downtown Medford.

And I also want to highlight, we have a lot of local partners who are going to be providing lunchtime entertainment as well as food trucks. So as soon as we're done with our conference during lunch, right across the street, our sponsors, Artistic Piano and the Call Your Creative Center are hosting Flavors of the Rogue, which is going to be local flavors, food trucks, lunch available for purchase and live music with the Japanese Taiko drummers. Very good. Very good.

And we're proud to be co-sponsored with you on this one too. Thank you. Yeah, I got to check this out. All right. Thanks for bringing it here though. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Kim Andreessen.

It is 824 and once again, it's AI for good conference.com. Thanks so much. Thank you. 24 after eight on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Have at it. 770-563-3770 KMED and you are waking up with the Bill Meyers show. The Montana Roofing Marketing Department is always looking for new ideas, but they're not always good.

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You can take it back to the political if you wish. We haven't actually talked a whole lot of politics this morning, which is kind of unusual for Conspiracy Theory Thursday. We did kind of slide into accidentally a lot of conversation on Elon Musk. And like I said, that was a last minute substitution. Someone was going to come on my show on a totally different topic. And they said, gosh, they have a meeting they couldn't make it for the showbill. And you want to talk to the guy that loves Elon Musk. I said, okay, all right. I'll talk to anybody there for a little bit. I don't think he's completely convinced me yet,

but still I still have one leg in the, I really think some of the stuff that Elon Musk is talking about is really, really cool. And that's another part that says that, that feels like I'm being taken down Satan's path for lack of a better term. You know, am I wrong about that? Maybe we can continue this.

But the number is 7705633770KMED. And I wanted to, especially with the conversation here on AI and the AI for Good conference. And I wanted to share with you the article that I had got from the Brew. And it's discussing how AI is breaking college. You know when two friends they write are text flirting and you're helping both of them craft their messages, both sides of the classroom are now using it.

The freshmen from ChatGPT's first year are now about to be seniors in college. And while students adopted the tech, fast and hard, nearly 90% of surveyed college kids, they're saying, we're already using chat GPT for homework help in January of 2023. Now, two months after the launch for OpenAI educators, they held out a little bit longer, but now the number of college professors who self-identify as AI users has nearly doubled from 18% to now 36%. Everybody's doing it. Now, this is what's kind of coming out of the problems with it. After years of complaints about students using AI, sites like Rate My Professors are now filled with complaints from students that professors are using AI to write course material and give grades, which many students call hypocritical and a waste of their tuition. Isn't that interesting, right?

Gosh, why do I bother having a teacher there or a professor supposedly teaching me? And then, of course, the professors are saying, gosh, why do I bother having a student there or a professor supposedly teaching me. And then of course the professors are saying, gosh, why do I bother having a student because you're having chat GPT write the paper for you, right? And then here's another one. A great complaint says, one student transferred from Southern New Hampshire University after two professors used chat GPT to guide their feedback on her work, which the school allowed. Now that was in the New York Times. Interesting story. On the other end, New York University students, NYU students, said their professor messed with their learning styles and asked for extensions when he worded his assignments so that the AI models, the artificial intelligence,

would fail to answer them. So the professor actually worked it and asked questions and put questions that the chat GPT couldn't work with. I love that. It's very creative. It's a creative prof. In other words, wants to find out what the kids really know. So what do we really know? I just thought it was really interesting and it all happened to converge here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. But like I said, it can be anything on your mind. I'll just hit line one.

Good morning. Hi, who's this? Hello, it's me again. Cherry, how you doing? Cherry, Cherry, chat GPT AI generated caller. Good morning. Oh man, oh man. I have just been watching the most amazing show on YouTube.

I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. How you doing cherry cherry chat GPT AI generated caller good morning. Oh Man, oh man. I have just been watching the most amazing Movies and shows and series that you've got to watch fallen and paradise Fallen in paradise. Okay, there's a binge worthy. They are amazing. Where are you getting them? Dish They are amazing. Where are you getting them? Dish, or AMC, or DARS, or whatever. Just call it out and you'll see it.

But it is, they are really, really good. Paradise is about the president, of course, and all of that, and who shot John, or whatever. And then Fallen is about a girl who runs away from a fire and ends up in a mental hospital. And it's all about what happens in the mental hospital. And it makes one flow over the cuckoo's nest look like Disney on parade. I mean, it's a Oh my gosh, real psychological thriller from the sounds of it. Yeah. And it's about a lot of teens or young adults and it's, oh my gosh, it's very, very mysterious and it's not what you think.

Then I just saw Parallel, which is about a grieving mother and her wonderful husband, and she just can't seem to get past her grief. And she keeps going into, they have a gorgeous home, and it's in Canada somewhere. And she goes into the woods to try to get over her grief. And what happens in the woods is quite remarkable. And I never thought I would like a show like this, but the ending was glorious. Thank you so much for the suggestions. You're our resident media critic, Jerry. Okay? And one more is Taxa Ridge.

I never saw that. Always wanted to see that Clint Eastwood movie. Oh, it is amazing. It's about a Seventh-day Adventist man who goes into the army to fight. It's a true story. The whole thing is true. And he will not hold a gun. And how he gets through that is unbelievable.

I mean, he... Now that was a Clint Eastwood movie, right? No, no. It was Andrew Garfield. Oh, I must be mixing this up with something else. All right, but fair enough. Thanks for the suggestion. One more is 21 Bridges, which about thugs and it's, you know, they're, those two are

pretty graphic, but they end up just amazingly. All right. Hey, Cherry, I have an idea for you. I love the idea of you being our resident media critic, so people are always looking for something good. Why don't you write these up on the email too so I can post them? Could you do that? I will. I will do that. All right, do that because I love hearing about it, but then people say, what were those shows that Cherry was saying were so

good and why? If you could give me a little synopsis on what and on why and how many Cherries on the Sunday you'll give them. Okay? How about that? Great. All down for you. All right. Hey, thanks, Cherry. 7705633. See, she doesn't realize I'm just putting her to work. I'm kidding, Cherry. Good morning. Hi. Who's this? Welcome. This is Chris and Medford. Hi Chris, what's on your mind today? Well, first off you have to see Hacks storage because it is incredible. It is as good as she talks about. Good.

Oh, it's better than what she talks about. It is graphic, but I have to watch it and I cry every time. But but I have to watch it and I cry every time. But, so I came up with an idea, it was kind of a joke between my father and I. I was listening to the AI conversation and I realized there might be an AI application for this. I think there should be a blow-a-go on cell phones. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's like when people have a DUI and they have to blow into the... Oh!...in order for their car to start.

Oh, oh, is that what you mean, the blow-go? Is that what that is? Yeah, yeah. Like the hose thing, the interlock, the ignition interlock, right? Right, but you could do it with AI, you could do it without a hose. So AI can recognize when you've been drinking, and? Right, but you could do it with AI, you could do it without a hose. So AI can recognize when you've been drinking and it will not allow you to call or text somebody unless it's 911. Hang on, Chris, I'm going to give you a real American salute. Because that app that you're talking about on the which would decide whether or not your cell phone could call someone. Can you imagine how many drunken, oh baby I'm so sorry about what I did. Could we get back together? I'll be better. Is that what you're talking about?

The phone would refuse to make the call, right? Yes. It was motivated by the fact that I actually received that call and I was thinking about just a kazoo. If you're too drunk to make a kazoo, make noise, then you should not be allowed to use your phone. But AI could solve the issue of something physical, just something on your phone. All right. So, is what would happen. The AI on the phone would take one look at you with the camera and say, this person is plowed, right? And then they will only allow you to call

either for an Uber or a cab or 911, one way or the other. Exactly. And that way the person then calls 911 and goes, oh man, she won't talk to me, man. What can I do here? Sir, what is your emergency? You know, you can hear that. I'm sure Source would love that, I'm sure. The Source people here. All right. Chris, I love that. Real American salute. AI. See,

there's an example of AI for good, stopping the drunk texting and calling. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Good morning. This is your resident Slovenian. How you doing Brad? Hey, uh this AI thing I find very intriguing you do well it was prophesied Did you ever see the movie the Terminator oh, yeah Okay. Well, it was all spoken in the Terminator. It's a system called Skynet and that's where the master computer system took over. And it became sentient. Yeah and where I relate to current times I do a lot of driving around and shopping, but at night, if I see an orb show up and

Arnie Schwarzenegger comes walking out of it, I'm running like hell. Well, and the other thing though is that if the orb shows up and then he says, I need your clothes, just give him the clothes. Okay? Just give him the clothes. Remember what he did to the motorcycle riders in the in the bar in the biker bar? Oh yeah. But in seriousness, Bill, can you believe where we've come in our generation? Now this AI thing has such huge ramifications on affecting our culture. And I'm going to be really curious to see how president Trump threads this needle here, because remember he's talking about wanting to reshore a lot of

American manufacturing, correct? It's what we've all heard. Yeah. Everything about the tariffs, everything about, uh, you know, grabbing China by the neck and kind of throttling it a little bit here with tariffs. This is all about encouraging the reshoring of American manufacturing. But does anybody really believe that in JD Vance's hometown, Hillbilly Elegy, there in southern Ohio, that they're going to be opening up lots of factories with lots of Hillbillies building stuff. Has anyone thought about that aspect of it?

Dude, that sounds a little like Ashland. Okay, point well taken. Thank you. Thank you for the call, brother, from another Slovenian mother. It's Open Phones. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. It's anything that's on your mind. 7705633. We always have fun for that afternoon more of your calls one of each Celtos VIN 7 8 4 0 0 2 MSRP 29 0 30 tell your ride VIN 6 2 7 5 7 2 MSRP 41 5 25 58 99 2 10k number go see for yourself and say this is the Bill Meyers show on 1063 KMED call Bill now 541-770-5633. That's 770-KMED. One of my favorite bumpers. Man, I tell you, Saturday Night Fever, as much fun as people made of disco back when I was a kid, still holds up. And is it Robin Gibb who was the bassist? He had the best bass licks. I don't know what it was about he just so creative not just a single beat kind of guy gotta love it it's a quarter before

9 77056 3 3 7 7 0 KM ED I guess we're going to have another roundabout coming to Southern Oregon here Oregon Department of Transportation just reading this announcing a major renovation they're gonna put a roundabout in for eight point two million dollars and this is on highway 62 oh another roundabout this time on a pretty big main road highway 62 and highway 234 that's over what by Willie's Tavern that Willie's Tavern out there in that neighborhood? They want to build a single-lane roundabout to help reduce the number of crashes. Intersection currently ranks in the top ten in crash locations statewide,

making it especially dangerous for the drivers. And the agency says many people drive too fast in the area. So, yeah, you're going to put a roundabout there and you're going to slow people down whether they want to be slowed down or not. And they're saying that we're hoping that everybody in the community will understand that putting in a roundabout will increase the safety for everybody coming from Highway 234 or Highway 62. A roundabout is the safest and best way to mitigate all the crashes that have been happening

at this intersection, according to Oregon Department of Transportation Public Information Officer Mary Dillinger. Because we know safety is job number one and construction expected to begin in late 2027 and sometimes my eyes just glaze over with safety talk I don't know but maybe I'm wrong but let me let me talk with Brad hello Brad let's hear more about that vision 2040 the professional experts of professionalism determining the direction of the city of Medford illegally in my view. But what are you thinking, sir?

Yeah, not to mention the 1289 survey responses that they claim are helping them decide how to spend a few hundred million dollars if this thing... Okay, here is our mission at this point, Brad. As far as I'm concerned, what the city of Medford is doing by paying attention to 1,200 self-selected survey online is illegal. Determining what the direction of the city is going to be by self-selected people and a bunch of left-wing lunatics running, you know, in the planning world is illegal. And if Southern Oregon is not willing to form a citizens group of some sort, if there's

nobody willing to do this, then I guess we deserve the 15-minute city that apparently the world is wanting to give us here in Medford. Am I wrong about that or not? So you can say that. I can't. This is your show, your voice. Here's what I can say. This is my perspective. Now you're on the Planning Commission for Jackson County. I know that. One of the people there, right? Yeah. So I can't really, I can't say the things that you can say. But here's the deal. The deal is that this 2040 vision project is the deliverables are the result of a grant that got funded in 2022, two years after the Almeida fire. And this grant, the deliverables on this grant were to hire a professional planning company,

turned out to be MIG, large planning company, 240 people that work for it, to come up with this revisioning of what downtown Medford could look like. And the thing that I want to focus on here with your permission is it's not necessarily what it produced, but it's the lack of engagement with what you and I would call the majority of the normal people that live in Medford. Now, I'll give you an example. The meeting that I went to Tuesday was the last of three public meetings on looking at the deliverables of the plan, in other words, what they actually recommended. And Bill, I don't think, outside of me, I don't think there were 10 other people that

came to that meeting. And this plan, if it moves forward from the planning stage into actualization, just looking at the traffic impacts and the construction impacts and so on and so forth, it's gonna be hundreds of millions of dollars over probably 15 years, I would guess. And I would also go to what listener Brenda,

who went to that meeting, said, it is designed for people who can walk and only people who walk. Well, again, there's always traffic impacts. And the traffic impacts, when you and I were young guys, everything about traffic was always about increasing velocity and capacity. In other words, it was always about getting

the maximum amount of people where they needed to go as quickly and safely as possible. That was what drove things back then. The traffic philosophy that we have now that's literally taken over all of public transportation is literally slowing everything down to the lowest minimum speed they think they can get away with. Exactly. And the thing is, and I will once again say, a survey of 1200 people out of an area of 300,000, if you take Jackson and Josephine County together, is not government. That is not the people. This is the self-selected agenda-based people. Everything about this is a fraud, Brad. I'm going to say that right now. And you hear about this and you put this in little self-selected meetings and you hide

the meetings and you just do here and then a few people that are into the bicycle spandex mafia. This is not government. This is governance. This is frankly a technocracy push here too in which you have a few elites ruling the many. And it's immoral and illegal and it should be stopped right now. And if Medford residents will not rise up against this with their city council and gather together in groups and put pressure on the city council to reject this plan, where

do you go? Well, so Bill, I hear clearly what you just said and kind of following up the earlier conversation that you're having with that gentleman before. What people like you and I see is almost a replacement of the physical world with the virtual world. There should have been 100 or maybe 200 people at that meeting last Tuesday. But you know, people can't tell you who the mayor is. They can't tell you who the city manager is.

They can't tell you who. And by the way, Kevin Keating was there. Rockfield city manager was there. Carla Paladino for planning was there. But people can tell you what their favorite virtual reality player is, they can tell you what their favorite beer is. Yeah, they've been lulled into complacency here, but what happened to real meetings, big movie, big meeting, town hall meeting on this? We have town hall meetings in which, oh, get to meet the counselor, how about a town hall meeting on the vision rather than a Vision 2024 committee meeting of some sort. You see what I'm getting at?

It's something which is much larger than anything else that the city of Medford is engaged in right now. When you agree with me on this, this is bigger than anything and it's kind of like just, well, it's just a monthly meeting or in every other meeting. No, this is something which should be advertised town hall meeting size sort of thing. What do you want this city to look like and not coming from an online survey? Okay? Yeah, so I agree with you completely. Engagement, how do you get the public, the normal public, the majority of people, how do you get them to engage and to realize how important stuff this is and show up?

For instance, you know, how many people have voted? We've only got five more days, right? The special election that we have is in five days. How many people have voted? How many people even know who the candidates are? How many people are really paying attention to the physical important realities or what are going on around them but everybody knows what's going on on their cell phone and it's a good question and I but I would still say though that that the tyrants hide in the shadows of the cell phone okay Brad I

got to go here I'm almost out of time here but I wanted to thank you for bringing this but as far as I'm concerned, if the city agrees to the Vision 2040 plan and continues to move forward, they're agreeing to a fraud because it didn't have true input. It's illegal. Certainly immoral. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hello? Hi. Hi, Bill. It's Francine. Hi, Francine.

Yeah. You know, while I'm completely, we should all be horribly offended by the lane shrinkage that they're pulling on everybody. I actually don't mind the circle intersections and here's why. For one thing, okay, it keeps you on your toes. You have to pay attention, okay? You can't just be all, oh la la la, okay, here's a red light, I'm supposed to stop, oh, that's green, I can go now. It's like you are the one making the decisions and you know when to go and when not to go. And so you believe that the Highway 62,

new, the Highway 62, Highway 234 roundabout is actually a good idea, right? Well, I don't, I don't know. I'm trying to picture where it is. It's by the tavern. It's a three-way. It's a T-intercept. Yes, it's a T. Okay, yeah, I don't know if it's really needed there because the way it's set up is just fine, but in general, I'm speaking about the roundabouts.

Where they think they're controlling us, they're actually giving us more freedom to make our own decisions. Yeah, yeah. Roundabouts don't bother me. They sure bother a lot of other people though. Yeah, you know why? Because they have to pay attention.

Oh, okay. Appreciate the call. Thanks for that. Hi, KMED. Good morning. Who's this? Hey, Bill DePloyable, Patrick here. DP, go ahead. I've got to be quick.

Brad was complaining that the meeting was attended by less than 10 people. It doesn't take 10 people to start a class action lawsuit. Others would join as it moved forward.

Well, I don't know if a class action lawsuit is the way to move forward at this point. It's that enough citizens need to actually reach out to the city council and say, reject this because this was a fraud from the beginning, the vision process. In other words, we're going to decide how the direction of the city is with hundreds of millions of dollars of loot that will be done. And a few hundred people self selecting there, you know, making their little choices determines this. Bullstein. If you can get it, if you can get it one way or the other,

if that doesn't work, then the class action lawsuit probably get their attention. All right. Maybe so. Thanks, Patrick. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Silver Fox. Oh, Silver Fox was on your mind. Yeah, two points about that AI. The first is that you look back in history and the transportation industry, the ships that went down, 1,700 people, 900 people, the airplane, the trains, all the disasters that occurred with that, well there's going to be disasters with the AI for sure. And the other point of it is

it's going to refute the Bible if it comes to fruition, okay, because and personally I believe the Bible, but the Bible says, you know, it's going to get to a point like that, probably driven by AI. And then the unthinkable happens and puts an end to it all. I appreciate your opinion. Thanks for that. That's why it's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Let me grab another call. We got about a minute 20 left.

Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? Bill. Yes. Hey, it's Dave. Look, on the traffic thing real quick, you know, I go to bend a lot on business. They never met a roundabout they didn't like. But I'm in favor of it for a couple of reasons. First of all, if you, when I drive and I see just the sheer amount of people driving down the road at 50, 60, looking directly at their phones, it scares the bejesus out of me.

And in situations where you have a high number of accidents, I think it's warranted. The other reason is I just went to...I just visited Los Angeles where my sister lives and drove around with her for a while. I got to tell you, man, things are out of control right there. People run red lights, people run stop signs. If people can't be responsible, if they can't stay off their phones, if they can't drive the speed limits, then yeah, in the name of public safety, I think stuff like this has to be done.

You know, 7 Day? That's a thoughtful response there. stuff like this has to be done.