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Episode Date: May 22, 2025

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The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling dot com. Yeah, that's the unofficial theme for at least for the last few weeks. Eric Peters, automotive journalist, ingenious, EP, autos dot com. We hit the open road, but pretty soon, I guess. The way you're looking at this, Eric, first off, welcome to the program. Good morning from good morning, Bill. Yeah. Rural Virginia, which is where you live, first off, welcome to the program. Good morning from... Good morning, Bill.

Yeah, rural Virginia, which is where you live. We appreciate you coming on the show. And breaking news coming out of the federal government blob, the small government, the limited government center of the world here right now, is going after the cars even more deeply now. What's this coming from, NHTSA? Well, ideas have consequences. I'm going to preface what I'll tell you by saying that. And America was once a country where if you just happen to be out driving, you didn't have to arbitrarily stop and prove to a cop that you hadn't been drinking. Well, so

now we have these sobriety checkpoints. So inevitably we got to the point where the federal government decided it'd be a fine idea to use your car for the same purpose why you know why just limit things to having checkpoints they're randomly out there how about every car requires you to prove that you have a been drinking well they talked about it during the biden administration and now it's officially coming that's uh... the national highway traffic safety administration

just published notice of rulemaking, which means they're decreeing that henceforth the cars are going to have to have this technology that you used to have to be convicted of being a drunk driver. You know, they would require you to have got convicted to have this thing, an interlock, put into your car. Well, now all the new cars are going to have to have some type of technology that, I guess, samples your breath or somehow samples your body by touch, some kind of technology that I guess samples your breath or somehow samples your your body by touch, some kind of technology along those lines. And

if the car decides that you've been drinking or you're impaired or whatever then it will simply not work. And the really interesting thing to me about this is that I think they are going to frame or characterize what they would call inattentive driving or driving that they just don't like. Like if you, if you swerve, i.e. you drive a little bit aggressively, they'll frame that as impaired slash drunk driving. Yeah.

And if you swerve to get around the cat that's in the middle of the road, you know, that sort of thing. Or the left lane clover who won't move over, things like that. So it's just, in my opinion, another reason to not buy a new car. I think the car industry is going to find itself in a position of having committed Harry Carrey by going along with all of this. Ideas have consequences. This is something that's been in the works for decades. It's not just this, it's so many other things, and

you know, it's about to reach its culmination. Yeah, this is like the ultimate of the cult of safetyism, in my opinion, in which safetyism, safety... Your car ends up becoming not your cubicle of solace or the place where you're able to go out there and kind of be at peace with yourself. You're being monitored and database continually by the car for your attentiveness. Wow and harassed

I wrote the other day about something that was very interesting I thought JD Power which is that company that does surveys all the time. Everybody knows about JD Power Well, anyway They did a survey about this advanced driver assistance technology that you and I love to talk about all the time and they found Surprise that pretty much everybody hates this stuff and yet, this stuff is embedded now in every new vehicle. You can't avoid it if you buy a new vehicle. And so the question naturally arises, why is that? Why are the car manufacturers making a feature standard that almost nobody wants?

In fact, most people would pay extra to not have it or to have the ability to turn it off. Now, was it because they always assumed that the federal government was going to go in this direction? So we might as well test it out now? Yeah, I think so. I think that that's it. I think that they anticipated, because this stuff goes back years now, even before the Biden administration, that this was going to inevitably become a federal requirement. So they figured, well, why not just go ahead and embed this stuff in the cars, you know, early so that we can get ahead of the bus, so to speak, and we can then preen about how we're the safest of all, that sort of thing. And then there's a bit of anticipatory or a bit of let's avoid the potential for lawsuit

stuff too, in that let's say I'm a manufacturer and I don't put lane keep assist and brake assist and all that stuff in my car, and then somebody wrecks, oh, well, you didn't make your car safe. I mean, that kind of an argument is now to be presented. The liability aspect of it too, yeah that makes sense. So it's preemptive, well if the technology is available, well you better leave it be there. Chances are though, I would imagine that everything about all of this technology is nothing which can be disabled by the user i would imagine right well yeah i think in creeping in incremental is no for you know automated stop start stuff technology when that's for i have known

nobody nobody wanted the artist the automatic start stop everybody that i know turns it off immediately and they they talk about how irritated they are with it time and time again we we just talked among our friends here just the other day about automated start-stop. And yeah, they hate it. Well, and when they first brought that out, and that goes back 10 years or so, I mean even longer than that. I remember when I think BMW was one of the first that came out with it.

There was always a physical off button on the console or the dash somewhere as you quickly and easily turn it off. Then it got to the point where it was embedded somewhere in one of the menus in the LCD touchscreen and you had to go through all this elaborate rigmarole to find the place to turn it off. And the same with the advanced driver assistance, ADAS technology. Same thing, you know, initially you could turn most of this stuff off. Now you can't turn most of it off. What you can do is minimize it a little bit and it has made the car so aggravating to drive because the car is constantly trying to interfere with you and preempt you and manage you as you go down the road. The other aspect of these so-called safety decisions being

made by the car though is that they're continually interrupting the thought process of you actually driving out there and is there is there any possibility that you know you just have too it'd be like if you're an airplane pilot and then all the alarms are going off all the time, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. It's kind of like having literally a mother-in-law in the backseat that's constantly poking you with her thumb while you're driving. It's both annoying and distracting. And I think that there probably is a correlation between the uptick in accidents and fatalities

that people are talking about and the now ubiquity of all of this technology that's just making the cars aggravating to drive and in some cases difficult to drive smoothly. And especially when you have the car fighting you for control of the steering wheel. It's like, doesn't anybody see the downside of this, Eric? Is anybody out there? That's what I was going to mention. You know, when I drive these new cars, which I do every week, if I'm attempting to weave through traffic, let's say, oh in heaven for

fend, I know that's aggressive driving, but if you try to get around a guy who's in the left lane and won't move over by, you know, going quickly into the right lane, and of course you don't shigner first because they're all signaling for safety, well then the car tries to, you know, fight you back a little bit and it makes it very, very difficult to drive the car tries to you know fight you back a little bit and it makes it very very difficult to drive the car smoothly and I and I submit that that's not only distracting but also unsafe. Eric Peters with me EP Auto's we're talking about the rules which are coming out the notice coming from the federal government that yep it's going to be an ultra safe car that is fighting you and monitoring you at every step of the way.

Matt's here. Matt you wanted to ask a question or comment on this one with Eric. Go ahead, please. Well, we're actually not on that topic, so forgive me, guys. Eric, do you know about this new truck called Lake? Yeah, I do. It's a mini EV that they're talking about manufacturing. At this moment, it's just a vaporware. It doesn't actually exist. So, we talked about this before. I called a vaporware. It doesn't actually exist. So we talked about this before. I called in when you've been on Bill's show. I think the idea is brilliant, first of all, to be able to buy a truck and sort of retrofit it

with different things depending on your use for the truck. But I pictured this. I said, God, what if they just put like either like the Toyota had the 22r engine in it, which was a bomber. I had a truck for 214,000 miles, original clutch. I just I could see if one of the auto manufacturers could make a gas version of something like this for about 20,000, maybe even 22,000, it would have some retrofit. I can't help but think that something like that would be a huge seller. And the three of us joked around about the heater core, having to replace one in my explore

that they built the whole truck around the heater core. Yup. What if you not only built the truck like this, but you literally designed it around easy maintenance for the average person? Man- Well, the amazing thing is that actually is already available. designed it around easy maintenance for the average person. Well, the amazing thing is that actually is already available. We're just not allowed to buy it. Bill and I have talked many times over the past couple of months about, and this is just

one example, there are many, the Toyota Hilux Champ, which is a little configurable truck that they sell kind of in a stripped version that you can outfit as you like with accessories, comes with either a gas or diesel engine, a manual transmission, very simple little truck, and it costs $13,000. But we can't have it because it's not compliant. And of course it's not an EV. Oh, so you can only get it, I just pulled it up as I'm sitting here listening to you talk, Eric.

You can get it in Japan. Yes. Yeah, you can get it in Asian countries and I think in Central and South America, but you can't get it here because it's not legal to sell it here. They'll say it's not safe, but what they mean is it's not compliant, meaning it doesn't have six airbags and all of the other stuff that you have to have to make a car compliant. So they exist right now. We just can't buy them here in the land of the free.

Absolutely. What they want to force on us, that slate is a $30,000, that's what they're estimating, which of course is probably way low, a $30,000 subcompact electric truck, which again just makes my teeth ache. What's the sales price for one of these Toyota Hilux trucks converted into dollars? No, that's it, $13,000 US. That's what those things cost in markets outside the United States. So is there any way to like sneak one of these things across the border?

Oh, Joe Biden's not president. You could sneak it across the border, but good luck getting it registered. And if they find it, if the government discovers that you did bring it in, they will seize it. They will send the SWAT team. This is not a joke. They actually have done this to people who have brought in so-called gray market Land Rover diesels, for example.

There was a case up in New Jersey, I think it was, where this happened. And they literally sent, I mean, you'd think the guy, it was like some kind of massive terrorism raid. You know, he had brought in a diesel powered Land Rover. They went after the guy. Matt, there's something that Eric and I were talking about last week, which I think is kind of a key to this conversation about getting motoring freedom back here. Part of this is that President Trump is usually a, he's very much a relaxed regulations kind of guy for the most part. I don't think he understands what's really going on though

in the automotive world because he never drives. He's always being limoed and driven or piloted someplace. He doesn't understand what people like you and I and Eric and our listeners here this morning are going through. Honestly, my son, when he left to go to Florida, we just gave him a car. We had a Mazda 3. It's an amazing car. He's looking at these stupid Jeep gladiators and I told him, I go, dude, don't buy a Jeep. This would be perfect for him. I know, but what I'm getting at, I wanted to get to my point though, is that we somehow need to

get the message to President Trump that the regulatory, the apparatchiks here that are controlling everything at the core of it are keeping us from having affordable vehicles. And I don't think President Trump really understands that. I guess I have one more question. Do you think that Toyota would want to sell that truck here? I think Toyota wants to make money. I think Toyota wants to make money.

And at the end of the day, how do you do that? You can do it either by selling a lot of vehicles to a lot of people I think Toyota wants to make money. I think Toyota wants to make money. And at the end of the day, how do you do that? You can do it either by selling a lot of vehicles to a lot of people or a few vehicles that are very expensive to a few people who can afford it. By and large, the way you make money is on volume. Look at the Model T, look at the Volkswagen Beetle. And so yeah, I think if Toyota brought that little truck here, I think you'd see one pretty much parked outside of every other house I'd buy one myself

And I also think you'd see Ford and GM and everybody else Retooled to be able to compete against it too if they were if they were allowed All right, hey, thanks for the call there appreciate the call Matt 723 hey Eric, can you hang on here when we'll continue the segment here. If you wanted to talk with Eric, it's Wheels Up Wednesday special time this morning here, 770-5633. You're on the Bill Meyers show, KMED. years of factory training to accurately diagnose, repair, and service your European vehicle. VM Auto Works provides unmatched quality and care. Own a Volkswagen or an Audi, VM Auto Works offers factory programming such as software updates, key programming, and utilizes factory service schedules, proudly serving Medford,

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experience with that? Go right ahead. Fire away. Oh I have 78 Datsun pickup right now that I've been babying along for a long time. It was purchased originally in the family and I've always loved that little truck but I've always been a fan of the Hilux as well and you know I was really bummed out that we can't find a Hilux in the States. Until I was in Metford and I was at Winko and some folks were getting into their car having purchased, I was just getting out of my way. Oh wow, they're driving a Hilux. How do they manage that? Right on the side. And I looked at and they were Mexicans. Hilarious. Oh no. So was it, was the Hilux registered in Mexico or in the

United States? It had Mexico plates on it. Oh my gosh, a non-compliance vehicle came across the border there, Eric. What do you think about that? That's wonderful. In fact, there are a lot of vehicles like that that you can get in Mexico that are far more affordable than whatever you're allowed to buy here. I suppose if you could manage to go over to Mexico and buy one and then drive it back into Los Estados Unidos, you could probably do it. But again, the difficulty is getting the plates and the registration for it and then potentially having to worry about the, you know, the federales coming to hut hut hut you seize your car and maybe take you to the clink for the awful crime of driving a non-compliant car.

Great story. Hey, thanks for sharing that DTM. Wow. So you can't get them, you just can't buy them here, I guess. All right. Grab another call. Hi, here we are with Eric Peters here on EPauto.com. Wheels Up Wednesday. Good morning.

Hey, this is one of your favorite listeners. How you doing, Brad? Go ahead. Eric, you're the best brother. I got a question that's industry related. How long is this electric car thing going to last? I can't see it keep going. How long is the collector car thing gonna last? No, how long is the electric car? Oh well, I think it's gonna last as long as the federal government continues to push it. Now, you know, to be fair, I think there are some

situations where a small, short-range, low-cost EV makes a lot of sense. You know, we've talked about this on the air before, Bill and I, and i and for people who live in a city and rarely have to go on the highway or never have to go on the highway just need a little something that'll get them you know ten or fifteen miles down the road in urban traffic i think it by a little e v the cost of the major nine thousand bucks like the ones that are available in china i think there is a niche market for that i don't think there is ever going to be a market barring what they call you know

they keep talking about the breakthrough in battery design and charging times and all of that for a universal EV that's designed to, you know, to go down the highway and give you 400 miles of range like a conventional car that you can charge up fully in about the same time it takes to fully refuel a conventional car. Now, quick question. Okay. Do you see these electric unicycles on the East Coast? Did I see the electric what? The electric unicycles that go 40, 50 miles an hour. Oh yeah, I have seen those. In fact, I saw a guy

around in my neighborhood doing that. Wow. I mean, great for the guy that taught it. No thanks. Yeah, not for me either. But you know, again, in that scenario, it kind of makes sense because it's a very small device, and it's not designed to go particularly fast. You know, 35 miles an hour on a unicycle might be a little scary, but it really isn't that fast. So you can make it light and simple. And, you know, for somebody who just needs something like that to get them down the road to wherever they need to be it's not a bad idea. Thanks for the call Brad, appreciate that. Let me grab another call for Eric Peters at EP Auto's.

Hi, good morning, who's this? Good morning Bill, this is Ann. Hello Ann, you're with Eric. I wrote a letter to Ford because in 1965, my dad bought me a new Mustang. And it was the greatest little car. And I wrote to Ford and I said, you guys need to build another Mustang. I had a six cylinder three speed, little plain Jane, it was the cutest damn thing you ever saw. 2,500 bucks to buy it. Yep. If you can imagine. And I got a letter back from them and they said exactly what you're saying. Yeah. You can't build them because they don't comply. Yeah. Don't comply. It's all

about comply. It's not what the manufacturers can do or are capable of. It's what the federal government requires. And it's such a sad thing as regards to the Mustang too because when it came out in 1964, it was literally a car for everybody. Kind of like the Volkswagen Beetle. You know, like the Callers car was a basic car with the six-cylinder engine and the three-speed and you could get it all the way up with the, you know, the high-powered 289 V8 if you wanted a performance car. It had a usable backseat. You know it was a car that was loved by and driven by all kinds of people, women, men, older people, younger people and that

was the genius of the thing. And that's what is needed again. All right, thank you very much Ann, I appreciate hearing from you even though you love horses too for that matter. Eric, before we take off though, your latest review here, I think is really interesting. This has to go with the GMC Canyon that you have up there. Yep, it's one of the several now mid-sized trucks that you can buy in this country, which are the smallest trucks that you can buy. I can't believe that the GMC Canyon. Now I couldn't help but think years ago I remember there was a Simpsons, a parody commercial on the Simpsons called the Canyonero and I couldn't help but think

that as you're going through the canyon but it's pretty big though for being mid-size I thought. it's huge. It's too I think I'm just pulling this stat out of my head, but I think it's about 211 inches long And the astounding thing is well, there's two things about it. That's about the same length As a an early 2000s full-sized halftime truck and it's much taller I mean like about 15 inches taller at the roofline Which is astounding but then the really astounding thing is it only comes with a five-foot short bed. So my little Nissan Frontier that's almost 25 years old now, which is a compact-sized truck, has a

six-foot bed, which makes it more useful as a truck in terms of hauling stuff than this gigantic macho, huge, you know, hyped up, jacked up off the ground thing that they're selling. Well, wait, wait wait what has happened to the disappearance of the six or eight foot bed pickup truck because it's that was seemed to me to make a pickup truck quite useful yeah here's my theory I think the trucks have become the kind of the replacement for the large cars and wagons you know the people used to have it there they don't buy the truck chiefly because they're going to use it for work

they just want to have a a roomy interior that's why they're all quad caps now are extended caps not regular caps this goes for the half tons to it's very hard to find a regular cab at half ton truck anymore uh... and they've got the two studio beds in the back but are basically just a big truck i mean it's a great place to put your wet dog for example now hope that a bunch of groceries but they're really, today, later today, I'm going down to pick up a big load of mulch.

I would never use a truck like the Canyon for that because the bed just can't handle it. Now, are there still six or eight foot bed pickup trucks available? Can you get like a strip truck these days? What, it's probably a $40,000 truck, I guess. Well, yeah, you got to move up to a half ton. I mean, the prices now are so congruent. This thing, you know, easily costs close to forty thousand dollars now, the Canyon.

So why not just move up? If you need it, if you need that bigger bed, you move up to a half ton. That seems to be the theory. You know, it's astounding to me. The Canyon's a nice truck, but the thing literally costs twice as much as what my Frontier cost when it was new. And of course, it does because it's bigger, has a much stronger engine, has all the bells and whistles,

which is great if you have the money to spend on the thing. Yeah, we're talking about the challenge with affordability. Now, back then on the Canyon then, how big is the six, what, six cylinder V8, what? No, it's got the same, I think liter turbocharged four-cylinder that, believe it or not, is the standard engine in a half-ton Chevy Silverado. Really? And the Sierra pickup. So those are now the standard. The standard is a

four-cylinder turbocharged. Okay. Yeah, and unfortunately the only. When the Canyon and Colorado came out, those are the Chevy and the GMC versions of the same thing, they both came with a non-turbocharged 2.5 liter engine. It wasn't weak, it made 200 horsepower and if you wanted more power you could upgrade to, they had a 3.6 v6 you could get and you used to be able to get a diesel in the thing so you had some choice. Now it's one size fits all like so many other things in the market. See this is the example of where I think President Trump needs some pressure applied to him through, I want to get a hold of Jay Bieber over at National Motorist

Association. I know you're going to be doing podcasts with him on a weekly basis because President Trump wants people to be able to have their choices. I don't think he realizes just how tightly it's been locked down in this hit. I don't think he does either. You and I have discussed this before. I think part of the reason is that Trump himself gets driven. He doesn't drive. And even if he were to buy a car, for him it's like $80,000 for the latest, biggest truck in the world, Gizmo, is just pocket change.

It means nothing. Well, sure. But if you go a little further down, $40,000 for a guy in his position, what's $40,000? It's like you and me buying a Snickers bar at the dollar store. Yeah, exactly. And I don't think he realizes just how the American car buyer, you know, he wants to make America great again, but the American car manufacturers have been forced into this corral, this very narrow corral of what they're allowed to build, really, because of the compliance. So we need to talk with him about that. I'm going to get Jay on. I'm glad you're

going to be talking to Jay Moore and this needs to be a pressure thing because the latest rules that you were talking about coming out of NHTSA, it's going to make everybody want to go once again to used cars and who wants to do that? Yeah, it's disastrous. The thing is people superficially will hear it the way it's presented. Oh, well, who could object to this? We don't want dangerous drunks on the road. It's not going to be about that.

It's going to be using that as the pretext to control your driving. If you drive outside of whatever parameters, they decree to be safe, like we talked about earlier. So if you change lanes, as they put it, abruptly, you accelerate a certain way or you brake a certain way, that's going to be taken as synonymous with impaired driving problems. Impaired problem and you know that the insurance mafia is going to want to do this big time because they're going to want that data and they're going to want to just, you know, you do a quick break to avoid a hazard in the road and

there goes your rate. You know that's what it's going to be. Absolutely. And that's one of the drivers, by the way, one of the mechanisms that they are using, it's already happening, to force people out of cars is to make insurance so exorbitantly expensive that more and more people have to give up driving because they simply can't afford to pay the insurance. Yep, there we go. Read up more on this and Eric's going to have that article on the NHTSA rule coming up a little later this morning. I guess you're going to put that up. It'll be done tomorrow. I'm still having to do some background on it but I'll have it up by tomorrow morning. All right very good. EPautos.com. Eric always a great call and thank you for the flexibility on your schedule today okay. Absolutely Bill we got to do these things. EPautos.com 737. State Representative Dwayne Younger joining the program here in just a moment and he's

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He is unfortunately, well I should say fortunately for us, but unfortunately for him, ensconced thoroughly, deeply into the marble nuthouse known as the Salem State Legislature. How you doing this morning, Dwayne? Welcome back. I'll tell you, it must be tough going up there and giving those for monstrances day after day telling people just how idiotic the state's being run, huh? What do you say?

Yeah, I live in clown world is what I call it, and I work with clowns. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of... By the way, have they ended up censoring you or censuring you in your comments about the various things going on in the delusional world that is being formed for us in Salem? No, I have not received a and the investigation back yet from the investigator of wasted taxpayer dollars but we did see that what's her name from Maine or whatever. I was going to bring that up. I was going to bring that up

because the we had a Maine state representative who was more or less doing what you did and doing a post and talking about the transgender island of misfit humans person beating all the girls in sports, right? And the Supreme Court said, hey, you have no right to go after her for this. It's the First Amendment and I'm fighting for my constituents. I mean, isn't that what you sent me here to do? I was his peak for Josephine County.

I have about 80% of it. And I think that that's my duty that we have concern. And I'm a father too of two daughters that play sports and stuff. And so when I bring up things, and I think I haven't heard any complaints from my constituents. It's just the Democrats have complained, you know, they don't want to hear it.

It's like they don't want to hear about reality. They don't want to hear about biological certainty, you know, certitude or certainty, I think, is what is going on here. And it's, you know, it's a weird revolution that they've been working on doing in which there is no truth, there is no reality, there's only what I think or what I feel or what I say about myself, about who you are and what you're all about. Isn't that it really? Everything that's up here is not about the truth.

I post some of their speeches online. It's talking about these hardworking illegals and they're silent on the big major drug busts and you know, cartel leaders and these are terrorists. Yeah, what are the Democrats saying about the cartel leader that was actually hiding out there in plain sight living in Salem right by the state legislature? Did anybody say anything? Silence. There's silence.

But you know what they did pass this week? They passed a bill that's coming to is you a landlord, you will not be able to ask for someone's immigration status. What? Okay. You, if you are a landlord, you cannot ask, hey, are you legally here? What are you worried about? If I, if you're here legally and maybe you have your INS card or whatever card, then there's no problem. But if you're here illegally, I don't want you in my place. Well, yeah, who wants a raid? Well, of course, getting a raid from ICE, I guess, might be a

tough deal. It almost appears that the Democrats in Oregon are doubling down on the sanctuary state rather than understanding that they're just cutting their own throat long term. They double down. I mean, they do speeches up here about these poor children, but I didn't bring them here. You didn't bring them there. Their parents brought them here. It's not my fault. It's not the taxpayers' fault. Why are we

having to give them college scholarships and pay for all their medical and all these things? There is a law. There is a process. They try to complain about the our immigration processes. You're passing laws that make it even worse. I was going to... speaking of the medical care, why don't I ask you about this? And I don't know if there's been much communication with the state of Oregon. I was speaking with Congressman Cliff Bentz earlier,

about an hour ago, and discussing how there is needfully going to have to be some reforms going on with the Oregon health plan, which is Medicaid, because the Medicaid program was expanded under the Biden administration or whoever was running Joe Biden in the Biden administration and the standards were relaxed and the problem is that there's just so much money that was spent and so much money, which is not there, you know, these days. And so they're trying to trim that back.

Is this being talked about openly in an adult-like fashion in the state of Oregon in the legislature? Because it would seem to me that the state legislature is going to have to deal with this reality. Or are they just kind of sitting around waiting? What do you think? Well, I did, there's talks on my side, you know, the Republican side that we have known that they expanded it under really, you know, loose criteria. You know, Josephine Kibally went from 15 to 50 percent of the people on, you know, Medicaid. Boy, that's a lot of people on government health care right there. Yeah. Half of the county. That's millions and millions of taxpayer dollars and a lot of our working body people. This was not what we were set up to do, our country, and definitely not our state. That's a lot of money.

But it was the planet. COVID brought out the worst of everything. They got extra money, they started abusing things, and now they have to bring it all back. Once you give people something, it's extremely hard to take it back away from them. I imagine so. Yeah, I mean once you have given someone a free ride on the healthcare thing and you're able-bodied and maybe not working or something like that, boy, that's going to be a tough one, right? That's a tough political sticky wicked, isn't it?

Extremely. And to tell people, well, that's not how our founding fathers thought we should be set up or how we taxpayers should be funding all this stuff. But the Democrats think it's like a right. Like, you, this is your right. And I would say, well, that's not your right. That's why is it the taxpayers responsibility to pay for all your needs or all your children? Yeah, well, in the budgeting process here, State Representative Duane Juncker, are they facing reality and trimming the sales on Medicaid,

which would be the Oregon Health Plan, and preparing for leaner times in this or not? Do you know? I don't know because that is a full Ways and Means. The only Ways and Means I have on is in education and we just got you know the revenue forecast on Wednesday and we have a lot of means have been counseled because now they're scrambling to put a just for the education portion of things together for us to to vote on it and again that only, even though I do the subways and means for education, it still

has to go the full ways and means to be balanced budgeted there too. So it could change there. And I asked the question the other day about education because the numbers I see spending with all the dollars, this is talking about every dollar we spend on education, I believe it's way over $18,000 to $20,000 per child. Now that's going to be a little skewed because we have special needs children that, you know, they take up a lot of money and stuff like that. But we're spending, I mean, this is with federal dollars, Oregon dollars, it is a lot of money

we're spending on education and I do not see the results that I would be proud about of anything and you can look at from 2015 to 2017, we just continue to go the wrong way. So I'm gonna be a huge no because I don't think we're gonna do the right things to fix our education system. The priorities are not there. What about the homelessness situation? You did a remonstrance the other day. And earlier this week in Grants Pass,

there was the homelessness, I don't know if you want to call it a summit, but the Grants Pass City Council, you used to be a member of that. And we're getting together and talking about the latest lawsuit, the injunction against the city, and talking about House Bill 3-115, which more or less has put handcuffs on cities in southern Oregon and made it more difficult to deal with, and much stronger

handcuffs than what the Supreme Court did when they basically said the Boise decision didn't apply, you know, in Grants Pass. They got rid of all that stuff, the Supreme Court, but you wouldn't know it. We're still suffering here in our cities. Yeah. So what happened, we're kind of in the, you know, I wasn't alleged in when this happened. In 2021, Hospital 3115 was passed, and the chief sponsor was Tina Koteck. And her reasoning, I went back and listened to all this, her reasoning was this is the law of the land, this is federal, you know, Martin versus Boise,

which is the start of Johnson versus Grants passed in these Eighth Amendment rights. And you know... And the Supreme Court then came out and said that there was no Eighth Amendment issue involved in these homelessness cases. Yeah. They are not a special class. They don't deserve this class that they're claiming. And that cities could have all kinds of different plans to regulate their homeless population

and deal with them. But Oregon passed this law in 2021 saying no, cities cannot do that. They must be time, place, and manner and be objectively reasonable. Yeah, objectively reasonable is one of the most ridiculous terms that I've ever heard put into a law. How can you be objectively reasonable? Because everything about reasonable is usually something subject to the interpretation of whoever's determining what reasonable is. There is no standard of reasonable. Is there in the law? There's no. There's none. I mean, it's like you and your wife have to agree on everything. That's impossible. Well, if I want to have a happy life, you know, I'll say, honey, whatever you want is fine. Yeah, that's great. That's what they're saying is,

is if you disagree with all the homeless, then you'll be fine. You know, I'm like, well, that's the reasonable on the other side. I'm like, well, that's not reasonable to the taxpayers, the people who live in the city, the city. And there are not unlimited resources with which to build shelters in a company for people who are arguably in crisis. I'm sympathetic to the crisis part of it, but at some point, some of these individuals who continue to take drugs and do these other things have to care about their life more than everybody else does. It's just me. Yeah. And Grants Pass is not the only one

suffering. It's all of Oregon. Yeah, but Grants Pass is held up as the whipping boy or the whipping child on this one because of the lawsuits that have happened there. I think that's why you end up being the subject. We're not Portland. We don't have millions of dollars. And Portland's suffering. Portland businesses are suffering bad. And they're pissed. I'm telling you right now.

Yeah, I talked with a friend who was just in Portland. And a friend up there was talking about, I mean, you think the homelessness situation is bad here in Southern Oregon. You ain't seen nothing until you've seen Portland. And just talking about, it's just like an open sewer in sections of that town it's just it's yeah incredible I'm incredulous about this that

Democrats would allow this to be the law of the land here under objectively reasonable yeah so they're crying people I had dinner their night and this lady asked me what I was doing and I said well I'm a state representative and she was a Democrat she was complaining about homeless too. So it's not just Republicans. People are mad about this. But the Democrat power structure, though, is the one that is standing behind 3115, HB 3115, right?

Yes. Well, that kind of comes what I wanted to come on the air for was, we're going to do what's called a bill pool. And for the listeners here is when you have a bill, this is my bill, actually it's HB 2432, which is a repeal 315. When you propose a bill, it gets sent to a committee. Now mine got sent to homelessness, which is Pam Marsh's committee and she just sat on it and let it die. But you as legislators can put a motion on the floor to pull that bill to the floor for a vote. And we were going to do that. We're going to pull HB 2432 to the floor.

We're not going to tell what day it's going to be yet. But we would like the listeners, everyone, to start emailing, calling their representatives and say they need to vote on HB 2432 and repeal this homeless garbage, which is HB 315. We want our rights back. And we're going to put them on the record. Who's for taxpayers? Who's for businesses? Who's for the child walking to school.

That is where we're at right now. The last thing we can do for this session is pull this to the floor and have a vote on it. And what happens if you get a vote? Do you think there might be enough support to actually repeal the homelessness bill, which has everybody bound up in chains in all the various cities? I hope every day that things go better than they are but we need to put pressure on the Democrats. We need them to own all this stuff and I think that's a lot of what I'm doing appears is highlighting all the craziness

and you know there's several avenues here. I have a coalition of people, you know, Oregon Freedom Coalition, that we're trying to get people to get out and vote and be more involved. So this is one of those last efforts to get, pull us to the bill and hold Democrats vote. Because there's going to be another election next year. Hey, do you vote for illegals? Did you vote to keep all these homeless in the cities? I want to highlight all the bad things they're doing. And the second part, we need people to show up to vote. Last night's voting was 18% in Josephine County. You can't get change with 18%.

Yeah, I noticed in Jackson County an awful lot of Stand for Children candidates got onto the school board. One of them ended up going down. But as you well know, Stand for Children just means standing for the Democratic Party's status quo, in my opinion. That's just the way it is. Yeah, how can you get change if you don't, at the minimum you got to vote. Yeah.

You know? pay gotta pay attention and then and then I would have people that would would call me up here Dwayne and ask questions and they hadn't even read the voters pamphlet you know it's like could you take the time and read the voters pamphlet on some folks it's okay it's really all right and it. It's delivered right to you. It's delivered right to you. It's not hard. You get a voters pamphlet. You get the ballot. Secondly, you can listen to your radio station. You can go to your... I prefer you go to the Republican party, but you could go to your party and get information, hopefully Republican Party.

Yeah. And I sent it to the Republican Party. The parties had the people who were the better ones to vote for, and you just go there. That's all you got to do. It's not that hard. Ask questions and say, hey, and sometimes there might even be a candidate sitting in there or whatever else. I mean, that's what they're there for, to help you educate you and

give you the information who they've talked to and scan, you know, these information. I mean, women's rebel guard, start talking to these people. Yeah. Well, I get really, I get real irritated from, from our Republican brothers and sisters who I think that don't, won't get involved in many elections unless it's unless there's Trump on the ballot. That gets really irritating. It's like, come on, there's a lot of... If there's not a president on there or a president or state reps and things like that. But that's just me.

I know you voted. I know I voted. I know a lot of other people voted, maybe even a lot of this audience. But yeah, turnout's pretty poor. It really is. Yeah, it took probably what, a couple minutes to fill that ballot out? Yeah, two, maybe three. Maybe three as I was looking up and doing some searches on some of the people. So there we go. Yeah, and then you sign the outside, you lick the thing, and if you're super lazy, you stick it in your own mailbox. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I actually went and dropped it off somebody but I'm just I I get tired of people crying and complaining

And I'm like did you vote did you how do you want change if you don't vote? Yeah, and also wanting everyone else to spoon feed them in too You know it's like being a citizen means that we have to do some work every now and then to be informed and stay informed and get involved with this and I don't know it. That's what I'm asking here is hey can I get people to write email call whatever it is to repel 315. I need their help. I need to put pressure. And if you want change, it just can't be your representative do it on their own. They need, when they start seeing people testify up here, they start seeing people write emails, they start seeing them getting

bothered, then they know it's an issue. These halls are walked every day by the lobbyists and all the special interest groups, all the unions. Yeah, but I get it though, but are the unions and the lobbyists, do they want people going to the bathroom in the middle of downtown Portland streets and and destroying tourism? Do they want that for Portland too, along with Grants Pass or everything? You know? Where is this resistance to repealing anything about the homelessness problems here? I don't get that, Dwayne.

I don't get it. I think to me, the homeless should be not a Democrat, Republican thing. No. This just be like this accountability thing for homeless people. We're not asking to get rid of your special NGO. We're asking, can the city manage their population

the way they see fit? The way they see fit. And you know, because Portland's hamstrung too, you know, from what I'm told, you know, with all of these rules under 3115. And Portland's a mess. It's the jewel, you know, city of our state for crying out loud. And spending six hundred, was it six hundred thousand dollars in tents and tarps or something? Yeah. A year? Oh yeah, more than that. It's just huge amounts of money and it's coming to a head. And I hope you pull that bill and get the repeal on 315. And we have to be sensible about this and the way that 3115 traits this, objectively reasonable. Objectively reasonable is different from city to city.

Okay, that's all there is to it. Different people. It extremely is. We need to allow the people we elect locally to manage the way we put them in office to do and think for that city. It doesn't grasp past them, that's be Medford, and Medford doesn't have to be Ashland,

but the city should be able to manage the way they see fit and how they can with their dollars, not be forced to do things. And it's not exactly like the city of Grants Pass is rolling in money, which of course makes me wonder about those those salary increases that they've been talking about. I know you used to be on the council. Does that give you pause when you see what's going on there? I've expressed my feelings to some of the council members that I have. I said, well... Don't go there buddy. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. You know, it doesn't get less expensive over time, okay? That's the bottom line. Yes. Alright. Hey, State Representative Du's the bottom line. Yes.

All right. Hey, State Representative Dwayne Young, now someone's been on hold, hopefully they wanted to talk with you. Did you wanna talk with Dwayne or were you off topic? Good morning. No, I wanted to talk. Well, Dwayne asked, he said that he asked for people

to reach out to their local representatives. I was asking, I wanted to have a question for Dwayne, is how often will he reach out back to somebody who's tried to reach out to him who's not necessarily one of his constituents in his area but wants to talk to him? I mean if someone's been trying to contact him for two weeks will he return their call? I don't know. Well I have a feeling this is Mr. Vaughn. I think that's his last name. And I would say Mr. Vaughn actually called my real estate cell phone.

That kind of ticked me off. And that's not the proper way to get a hold of me. So that's why I never respond to you. The proper way is to email, and I did email you back. And that's where it's at. Yes, I did. Well, did you understand did. Well I wanted to contact you about some real estate too. Okay well yeah all right well let's I'll let you two argue about that off air okay. People will say what they want they have all the right words but they won't

even reach out to somebody and give them a minute. Okay, all right. Yeah, something, yeah, Logan, anyway, I don't, I don't even want to get there. But, all right, Dwayne, appreciate the call. Have you back as always, okay? I appreciate it, Bill. Have a good one. You too, Bill. It's four minutes after 8. Kamedi, Kamedi, HT1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass.